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 14 2017-01-30T02:46:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #9642: [Hardfork] Safe block size limit (master...bip-blksize) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9642
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 60 2017-01-30T08:16:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0fea960ca917...720b57948034
 61 2017-01-30T08:16:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 342eb96 Cory Fields: build: find qt's renamed helper libs from 5.7
 62 2017-01-30T08:16:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8efa34f Cory Fields: depends: add a zlib build...
 63 2017-01-30T08:16:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b5f374f Cory Fields: qt: fix build with zlib for target...
 64 2017-01-30T08:16:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9646: depends: Fix cross build for qt5.7 (master...fix-qt57) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9646
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 69 2017-01-30T08:49:39  <gmaxwell> What does -daemon do on windows?
 70 2017-01-30T08:49:52  <wumpus> give you an eror and quit
 71 2017-01-30T08:50:05  <wumpus> (at least in master)
 72 2017-01-30T08:50:38  <gmaxwell> Thanks.
 73 2017-01-30T08:50:53  <wumpus> in older versions it's just ignored
 74 2017-01-30T08:50:53  <gmaxwell> For some reason I thought it worked there.
 75 2017-01-30T08:51:00  <gmaxwell> yea, someone in #bitcoin reported it was ignored.
 76 2017-01-30T08:51:43  <wumpus> it's just not how background services work in windows
 77 2017-01-30T08:52:16  <wumpus> they are started from a special service manager, and need bookkeeping in the registry and such. No one ever bothered with that :)
 78 2017-01-30T09:13:48  <wumpus> I wouldn't be opposed to someone implementing that of course. It would need changes to the installer as well as the application itself.
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 82 2017-01-30T09:39:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 9 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/720b57948034...d2c9e4d42291
 83 2017-01-30T09:39:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5b15870 Alex Morcos: Use incrementalRelayFee for BIP 125 replacement
 84 2017-01-30T09:39:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master de6400d Alex Morcos: Fix missing use of dustRelayFee
 85 2017-01-30T09:39:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6b331e6 Alex Morcos: Fix to have miner test aware of new separate block min tx fee
 86 2017-01-30T09:39:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9615: Wallet incremental fee (master...walletincremental) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9615
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103 2017-01-30T11:49:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d2c9e4d42291...36966a1c0e64
104 2017-01-30T11:49:12  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5be0190 Matt Corallo: Delete some unused (and broken) functions in CConnman
105 2017-01-30T11:49:12  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3c37dc4 Matt Corallo: Ensure cs_vNodes is held when using the return value from FindNode
106 2017-01-30T11:49:13  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2366180 Matt Corallo: Do not add to vNodes until fOneShot/fFeeler/fAddNode have been set
107 2017-01-30T11:49:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9626: Clean up a few CConnman cs_vNodes/CNode things (master...2017-01-remove-broken-unused-funcs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9626
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109 2017-01-30T12:13:53  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/36966a1c0e64...668de70be039
110 2017-01-30T12:13:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7b48c8 Karl-Johan Alm: Refactor: Remove using namespace <xxx> from src/*.cpp.
111 2017-01-30T12:13:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 668de70 MarcoFalke: Merge #9644: [refactor] Remove using namespace <xxx> from src/...
112 2017-01-30T12:14:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #9644: [refactor] Remove using namespace <xxx> from src/ (master...no-using-namespace-src) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9644
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114 2017-01-30T12:36:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/71fc17f6673eae2e44d226e21692283a85786c44
115 2017-01-30T12:36:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 71fc17f Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: periodic translations update
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118 2017-01-30T12:50:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/71fc17f6673e...53ab12d9318d
119 2017-01-30T12:50:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa5137c MarcoFalke: [doc] Remove unused clang format dev script...
120 2017-01-30T12:50:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 53ab12d MarcoFalke: Merge #9649: [doc] Remove unused clang format dev script...
121 2017-01-30T12:50:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #9649: [doc] Remove unused clang format dev script (master...Mf1701-clangFormat) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9649
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123 2017-01-30T12:51:14  <MarcoFalke> wumpus: Could make sense to transfer the maintainer tools repo to /bitcoin-core some day?
124 2017-01-30T12:51:29  <wumpus> yes, it should
125 2017-01-30T12:53:21  <wumpus> "Moving repository to bitcoin-core/bitcoin-maintainer-tools. This may take a few minutes."
126 2017-01-30T12:53:54  <MarcoFalke> nice. Lets see if my pull stays open
127 2017-01-30T12:56:19  <MarcoFalke> Looks all fine.
128 2017-01-30T12:56:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/53ab12d9318d...e99f0d7ad443
129 2017-01-30T12:56:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 95f97f4 Luke Dashjr: Skip RAII event tests if libevent is built without event_set_mem_functions
130 2017-01-30T12:56:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e99f0d7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #9647: Skip RAII event tests if libevent is built without event_set_mem_functions...
131 2017-01-30T12:57:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9647: Skip RAII event tests if libevent is built without event_set_mem_functions (master...raii_tests_optional) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9647
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136 2017-01-30T13:56:47  <achow101> what does safe mode do?
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143 2017-01-30T14:15:02  <wumpus> achow101: it disables a few wallet commands concerned with sending funds IIRC
144 2017-01-30T14:15:32  <wumpus> (anything with okSafe==false in the dispatch table)
145 2017-01-30T14:16:35  <achow101> what causes safe mode?
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147 2017-01-30T14:21:45  <wumpus> fLargeWorkForkFound or fLargeWorkInvalidChainFound
148 2017-01-30T14:22:44  <wumpus> more generally, when the client detects something fishy either with itself or the network
149 2017-01-30T14:23:16  <achow101> if a large work fork is found (>6 blocks deep) and has more work than the current tip, will it switch to that fork and warn the user?
150 2017-01-30T14:24:11  <wumpus> yes, safemode is a result of warnings
151 2017-01-30T14:25:01  <wumpus> IIRC it will follow a large work fork (given that it validates correctly, of course) but warn and go to safe mode
152 2017-01-30T14:25:12  <achow101> ok.
153 2017-01-30T14:25:15  <wumpus> but I don't know the exact logic deeply you'll have to check the source code
154 2017-01-30T14:25:38  <achow101> safe mode seems kinda useless, I can't find anything about it that would affect what most users do with the GUI
155 2017-01-30T14:26:34  <wumpus> it doesn't affect the GUI, from what I remember that's on purpose: GUI is used manually so if there is a big warning visible and the user still wants to send, they can
156 2017-01-30T14:26:50  <wumpus> RPC is usually driven automatically so the only way to make the operator realize something is wrong is by blocking commands
157 2017-01-30T14:27:33  <achow101> ah. I see. that makes sense
158 2017-01-30T14:27:36  <achow101> thanks
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167 2017-01-30T15:44:54  <sipa> jl2012: the serialization code depends on char being 1 byte, short being 2, int being 4, and long being 8
168 2017-01-30T15:45:21  <jl2012> sipa: isn't this dependent on the architecture?
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170 2017-01-30T15:45:34  <sipa> jl2012: while technically those are dependent on architecture, everything we remotely support has rhese sizes
171 2017-01-30T15:46:34  <sipa> wait, i believe long does differ
172 2017-01-30T15:46:39  <jl2012> so is it ok if I use GetSizeOfCompactSize in consensus code?
173 2017-01-30T15:46:39  <sipa> but long long does not
174 2017-01-30T15:46:57  <jl2012> or is it already kind of consensus critical?
175 2017-01-30T15:47:13  <sipa> you already are using it in consensus code. it affects block size calculation
176 2017-01-30T15:47:21  <sipa> as that uses GetSerializeSize
177 2017-01-30T15:48:20  <jl2012> isn't it better to directly use numeric number, instead of sizeof(something) ?
178 2017-01-30T15:48:58  <sipa> yes and no
179 2017-01-30T15:49:45  <sipa> we're using char/short/int/long long in serialization code anyway, though we've slowly moving away from those in favor of int16 int32_t, int64_t etc
180 2017-01-30T15:50:16  <sipa> so switching the size calculation on itself would be perhaps more future proof for that function itself
181 2017-01-30T15:50:46  <sipa> we sjould really get rid of the use of those data type in serialization code (and probably all of consensus code) in the first place
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183 2017-01-30T15:51:28  <jl2012> but there is already a theoretical risks of consensus failure between architectures?
184 2017-01-30T15:58:26  <sipa> our unit tests would immediately fail when compiling in an environment where these sizes don't hol
185 2017-01-30T15:58:42  <jl2012> that's true
186 2017-01-30T15:59:06  <jl2012> but you know, not everyone test their codes before shipping
187 2017-01-30T15:59:06  <sipa> if not for that, sure... see https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009697.html
188 2017-01-30T15:59:43  <sipa> with static_assert would make the compiler fail if compiled on an invalid architecture
189 2017-01-30T16:01:37  <jl2012> we have no consensus code dependent on OpenSSL now, right?
190 2017-01-30T16:02:47  <sipa> indeed, not since bip66
191 2017-01-30T16:02:59  <sipa> http://stackoverflow.com/a/384672
192 2017-01-30T16:03:45  <jl2012> by the way, are we going to fix the LOW_S special case I found earlier? Or just use the NULLFAIL rule (sig must be empty if failed) to cover that?
193 2017-01-30T16:05:10  <sipa> hmm  what special case?
194 2017-01-30T16:06:12  <jl2012> if R is out of range, HIGH_S is allowed
195 2017-01-30T16:06:18  <sipa> ah, yes
196 2017-01-30T16:06:42  <sipa> i think we should just propose nullfail as a consensus rule
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198 2017-01-30T16:08:35  <jl2012> the 2 rules combined should cover all edge cases, I guess
199 2017-01-30T16:09:13  <sipa> which 2 rules?
200 2017-01-30T16:09:22  <jl2012> lows and nullfail
201 2017-01-30T16:10:21  <sipa> yes, i believe so
202 2017-01-30T16:10:35  <jl2012> just wonder if nullfail might irrevocably invalidate some scripts
203 2017-01-30T16:10:58  <sipa> nullfail in particular simplifies things a lot... as it removes the distinction between valid encoding and valid signature
204 2017-01-30T16:17:03  <jl2012> and it eliminate unneeded validation
205 2017-01-30T16:17:23  <sipa> indeed, and storage
206 2017-01-30T16:18:29  <jl2012> is there anyway to do aggregated validation in ECDSA?
207 2017-01-30T16:21:37  <sipa> yes, but it requires passing along the oddness of the R point's y coordinate
208 2017-01-30T16:21:58  <sipa> if you don't have that, there is an expoenntial blowup in combinations to test that is never worth it
209 2017-01-30T16:22:23  <jl2012> so we currently can't do that?
210 2017-01-30T16:22:34  <sipa> not with the current signature scheme, no
211 2017-01-30T16:22:50  <jl2012> it just requires one more bit to encode that?
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213 2017-01-30T16:25:37  <sipa> yes
214 2017-01-30T16:25:45  <sipa> but switching to schnorr is easier :)
215 2017-01-30T16:27:39  <jl2012> actually, my original question is about cross-transaction aggregated validation. For example, validate all transactions in a block in one operation
216 2017-01-30T16:28:25  <jl2012> and just aggregated validation, not aggregated signature (no space saving)
217 2017-01-30T16:29:50  <sipa> yeah, with the extra bit you can do batch validation
218 2017-01-30T16:30:05  <jl2012> it could be nicely fit in a 64 bytes (512 bits) signature: R = 256 bits, R oddness = 1 bit, LOW_S = 255 bits
219 2017-01-30T16:30:51  <jl2012> how about Schnorr, would that require the extra bit?
220 2017-01-30T16:35:13  <sipa> the Schnorr scheme i proposed before avoids it by requiring that bit to be 0
221 2017-01-30T16:35:16  <sipa> implicitly
222 2017-01-30T16:35:39  <sipa> which would equally be possible in ECDSA, but again, requires a change
223 2017-01-30T16:36:46  <jl2012> so you just assume the bit is 0. If a signature has a non-0 bit, the wallet will find a different nonce to sign again?
224 2017-01-30T16:37:39  <sipa> all that requires is negating the nonce :)
225 2017-01-30T16:38:03  <jl2012> sounds like possible with a softfork?
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227 2017-01-30T16:46:39  <sipa> and changing all wallet software
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239 2017-01-30T17:40:36  <jl2012> same as low_s
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243 2017-01-30T17:50:00  <sipa> well as long as OP_CHECKSIG NOT is allowed, we can't do batch verification anyway
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246 2017-01-30T17:51:49  <sipa> though i guess it could apply to OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY only
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249 2017-01-30T17:57:37  <jl2012> NULLFAIL will do it
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279 2017-01-30T22:01:12  <jtimon> re https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gitian.sigs/pull/469 I assume it's not important now, but I wanted to confirm if I'm doing this properly, do I need to add my key to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/gitian-keys first?
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287 2017-01-30T22:41:04  <achow101> jtimon: looks right. you should add your key to the gitian-keys. also, you should do the code-signed binaries too, and if possible, mac
288 2017-01-30T22:43:51  <jtimon> achow101: thanks, yeah, was leaving that for later, but I should do those too
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