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21 2017-06-04T01:46:47 <btcdrak> looks like https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/builds/238932256 needs of two jobs which stall-errored
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39 2017-06-04T04:41:34 <gmaxwell> wumpus: https://blog.minio.io/accelerating-sha256-by-100x-in-golang-on-arm-1517225f5ff4 those are some pretty impressive numbers.
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41 2017-06-04T05:07:37 <luke-jr> can people check their positions on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support and fill in any blanks? thanks
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89 2017-06-04T12:31:25 <spudowiar> What's your preference for starting a process and piping data?
90 2017-06-04T12:31:29 <spudowiar> fork, pipe, dup2?
91 2017-06-04T12:31:44 <spudowiar> I mean pipe, fork , dup2
92 2017-06-04T12:32:16 <spudowiar> popen won't work because it only supports one direction
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96 2017-06-04T12:53:33 <spudowiar> Actually, Boost dependency was updated to 1.64.0 which has boost::process
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127 2017-06-04T15:09:03 <spudowiar> One issue I have is that waiting for the output of the command is run on the UI thread, so Bitcoin Core appears to hang :/
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147 2017-06-04T17:18:24 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you appear to have seemingly removed nearly all nuance
148 2017-06-04T17:18:43 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you should have a category like "Fine, iff there is massive community consensus that doesnt nearly yet exist"
149 2017-06-04T17:18:54 <BlueMatt> then you could probably drop almost everyone into that category
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154 2017-06-04T17:43:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that's kinda chicken-and-egg. people are deferring to dev pessimism as a reason to not consent themselves. but if you have a suggestion to get more nuance on the wiki page, we can do that anyway. Perhaps a yellow "Wanting" defined as "it is acceptable, only with more community acceptance"?
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156 2017-06-04T17:44:06 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: i didnt say "want", i said "fuck no, not without a massive consensus success, which appears to have about zero chance at this moment"
157 2017-06-04T17:44:41 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: and, no, while some rando folks are deferring to devs there, a lot are not, and are flat out saying "this is stupid"
158 2017-06-04T17:44:50 <luke-jr> I was thinking "wanting" as in "I think it is wanting for support"; alternative table-fitting words?
159 2017-06-04T17:45:10 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: people against BIP148 on their own are a very small group
160 2017-06-04T17:45:28 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: perhaps you should take it seriously when many people are telling you that this is a lot like Bitcoin XT or Bitcoin Classic's hardfork, but you've just defined yourself into a corner.
161 2017-06-04T17:47:37 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: people against classic and xt initially were a very small group, fwiw, its only after it became clear that there was a lack of consensus and serious technical concern that folks started jumping ship
162 2017-06-04T17:49:21 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: a series of people saying "this is too risky, I cannot support" (and i mean not just dev folks, also several biz folks have made similar noise) should not imply "ok, full steam ahead, they'll come around"
163 2017-06-04T17:49:36 <luke-jr> there is no comparison. Classic/XT were hardfork proposals with serious technical problems and done by trolls who wanted to "fire Core". BIP148 is a softfork proposal with no real technical problems, and widespread community support.
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165 2017-06-04T17:50:06 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: I was told my several of the most ardent 148 supporters last week that 148 will "fire core" cause core is now getting in the way
166 2017-06-04T17:50:07 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: not doing BIP148 is objectively riskier than BIP148 itself, which has no risk at all given sufficient support.
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168 2017-06-04T17:50:48 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: that is your opinion. other equally-well-informed minds strongly disagree
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170 2017-06-04T17:53:48 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: and, key to your point is "given sufficient support", but, then, "given sufficient support" nearly any consensus change becomes incredibly easy
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172 2017-06-04T17:54:11 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: and most of what I'm telling you is that bip 148 can not, and will not, get sufficient support in the current community
173 2017-06-04T17:55:05 <luke-jr> it already has it; the only potential risk is people blindly following "Core" who think "Core" is opposed
174 2017-06-04T17:57:50 <midnightmagic> Don't use language that guarantees people can't work together anymore after the resolution becomes clear. There are *actually* bad people sharpening their knives watching.
175 2017-06-04T17:58:12 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: ? referring to what
176 2017-06-04T17:59:10 <midnightmagic> This escalation that's going on in here right now, and jerkoffs who are going to attempt to use it to harm you all in the near future.
177 2017-06-04T18:05:28 <sipa> luke-jr: also don't equate "against merging support for BIP148 in core" with "against BIP148"
178 2017-06-04T18:07:22 <sipa> the bar for the first is far higher than personal preferences
179 2017-06-04T18:07:50 <luke-jr> sipa: are you of a position that BIP148 should not be merged, but you don't oppose it personally?
180 2017-06-04T18:07:59 <luke-jr> (the wiki page is intended to be the latter)
181 2017-06-04T18:08:24 <sipa> if there were pervasive support for BIp148, i would encourage it
182 2017-06-04T18:09:14 <sipa> right now, i think it is too risky (for a combination of technical reasons, too short timeframe, and me not seeing the degree of support i believe is necessary to make it a success) to encourage anyone to run it
183 2017-06-04T18:09:40 <sipa> but i'm not opposed to it in principle... in particular, i'd like be proven wrong on the degree of support which is admitted hard to measure
184 2017-06-04T18:10:37 <sipa> *admittedly
185 2017-06-04T18:13:23 <luke-jr> okay, I've updated the wiki page with two new categories Deficient and Wanting, and reclassified BIP148 for Matt as Deficient and sipa as Wanting; hope this is accurate
186 2017-06-04T18:13:51 <luke-jr> aside from BIP148, it would be helpful to get positions on the other proposals on the page
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189 2017-06-04T18:15:23 <luke-jr> (and feel free to edit descriptions/colours/add new categories/etc if you think it helps improve clarity)
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192 2017-06-04T18:21:38 <spudowiar> Hmm, either this transaction is totally messed up or EncodeHexTx is totally messing it up
193 2017-06-04T18:22:07 <spudowiar> Or python-bitcoinlib is messed up
194 2017-06-04T18:23:36 <spudowiar> Right, decoderawtransaction is working fine on this tx
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196 2017-06-04T18:25:20 <spudowiar> Oh, wait, this is a SegWit tx
197 2017-06-04T18:25:35 <spudowiar> I assume that python-bitcoinlib doesn't handle SegWit
198 2017-06-04T18:25:38 <spudowiar> Right, petertodd?
199 2017-06-04T18:29:30 <spudowiar> *celebrates*
200 2017-06-04T18:32:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/098b01dc58ff...400fdd08cc95
201 2017-06-04T18:32:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5f672ca Pavlos Antoniou: net: Denote some CNode functions const
202 2017-06-04T18:32:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 400fdd0 Pieter Wuille: Merge #10471: Denote functions CNode::GetRecvVersion() and CNode::GetRefCount() as const...
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204 2017-06-04T18:33:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #10471: Denote functions CNode::GetRecvVersion() and CNode::GetRefCount() as const (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10471
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206 2017-06-04T18:49:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #10526: Force on-the-fly compaction during pertxout upgrade (master...compactrange) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10526
207 2017-06-04T18:58:16 <spudowiar> GAHH
208 2017-06-04T18:58:27 <spudowiar> It signed it, it sent it back to Core and Core failed the verification
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212 2017-06-04T19:17:39 <spudowiar> On one hand, it's failing the verification
213 2017-06-04T19:17:52 <spudowiar> On the other, it's doing a valid transaction that sendrawtransaction can broadcast
214 2017-06-04T19:20:03 <spudowiar> Oh, FML
215 2017-06-04T19:20:12 <spudowiar> I did IsHardwareWallet && !CallHardwareWallet
216 2017-06-04T19:20:21 <spudowiar> Which means if it's successful, it will carry on and fail :(
217 2017-06-04T19:20:31 <spudowiar> (It will do the else part)
218 2017-06-04T19:21:43 <spudowiar> Yes! Hardware wallet support works!
219 2017-06-04T19:26:12 <spudowiar> sipa: I ended up doing a signrawtransaction-esque API https://github.com/saleemrashid/bitcoin/blob/hardware-wallet/src/wallet/wallet.cpp#L1489-L1527
220 2017-06-04T19:26:23 <spudowiar> But instead of privkeys, it does the hdKeypath
221 2017-06-04T19:26:37 <spudowiar> And it adds a transaction key to each of the prevtxs with the raw transaction
222 2017-06-04T19:28:30 <spudowiar> Here's the plugin: https://github.com/saleemrashid/bitcoin/blob/hardware-wallet/contrib/bitcoin-hww-trezor
223 2017-06-04T19:28:46 <spudowiar> jonasschnelli, luke-jr, NicolasDorier: ^^
224 2017-06-04T19:29:13 <jonasschnelli> 75 lines?
225 2017-06-04T19:29:48 <jonasschnelli> Can you make it vendor independent? :)
226 2017-06-04T19:29:57 <spudowiar> You need another script for each vendor :)
227 2017-06-04T19:30:14 <jonasschnelli> I guess we need a standard
228 2017-06-04T19:30:19 <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: the whole point is that the script is the interface
229 2017-06-04T19:30:33 <spudowiar> The command is `src/qt/bitcoin-qt -testnet -hardwarewallet=contrib/bitcoin-hww-trezor`
230 2017-06-04T19:30:53 <spudowiar> Or bitcoind if that floats your boat :)
231 2017-06-04T19:31:05 <jonasschnelli> ah. I see.
232 2017-06-04T19:31:15 <jonasschnelli> I though the script is the only thing you need
233 2017-06-04T19:31:41 <spudowiar> You have a script for each hardware wallet, and you set -hardwarewallet= to the script
234 2017-06-04T19:32:09 <spudowiar> One issue with this patch is that it runs on the UI thread so Bitcoin-Qt hangs while you confirm it on the hardware wallet
235 2017-06-04T19:32:35 <sipa> that sounds pretty bad :)
236 2017-06-04T19:32:41 <luke-jr> could be worse
237 2017-06-04T19:32:47 <luke-jr> but definitely something to fix
238 2017-06-04T19:32:49 <spudowiar> luke-jr, always optimistic
239 2017-06-04T19:33:00 <spudowiar> There are issues about moving stuff off the UI thread so I didn't bother with it at the moment
240 2017-06-04T19:33:14 <spudowiar> When CreateTransaction gets moved off the UI thread, this will fix itself
241 2017-06-04T19:34:05 <luke-jr> spudowiar: you mean sign?
242 2017-06-04T19:34:24 <luke-jr> IMO we should prompt in GUI for fee/etc before trying to sign
243 2017-06-04T19:34:26 <spudowiar> Well, CreateTransaction calls the signature stuff
244 2017-06-04T19:35:50 <spudowiar> Whoops, need to add CallHardwareWallet into CWallet::SignTransaction as well
245 2017-06-04T19:36:03 <spudowiar> Anyway, one issue is that it's not doing change addresses right ATM
246 2017-06-04T19:36:14 <spudowiar> So, it sees them as an extra output
247 2017-06-04T19:36:29 <sipa> is that a problem?
248 2017-06-04T19:36:38 <spudowiar> Yes, but it's one I can fix :)
249 2017-06-04T19:36:51 <spudowiar> Because the hardware wallet isn't meant to show the change addresses
250 2017-06-04T19:37:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10527: Use parentheses to clarify intended precedence when using bitwise operations (master...clarify-precedence) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10527
251 2017-06-04T19:37:22 <spudowiar> e.g. I sent 0.7 tBTC and I had 1.3 tBTC, so the TREZOR asked me to send 1.299 tBTC when it should have said 0.7 tBTC
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253 2017-06-04T19:40:02 <sipa> right; i guess you should have a way to tell the hardware "output X is to derivation path Y, which is yours; don't include it in the amount"
254 2017-06-04T19:40:55 <spudowiar> Also, this doesn't look good https://github.com/saleemrashid/bitcoin/blob/hardware-wallet/contrib/bitcoin-hww-trezor#L54
255 2017-06-04T19:41:19 <spudowiar> I shouldn't have to reverse it
256 2017-06-04T19:42:39 <sipa> for historical reasons, bitcoin treats txids as little-endian 256-bit numbers, and when printing them for human consumption, uses big-endian (because that's how we format numbers)
257 2017-06-04T19:42:53 <sipa> as a result, the hex string is in the opposite order from the actual bytes
258 2017-06-04T19:43:07 <spudowiar> I know, but this isn't a hex string
259 2017-06-04T19:43:13 <spudowiar> I *think*
260 2017-06-04T19:43:45 <spudowiar> Yeah, it's not a hex string
261 2017-06-04T19:44:04 <sipa> hmm
262 2017-06-04T19:44:14 <sipa> still may be some LE/BE confusion
263 2017-06-04T19:44:39 <spudowiar> Maybe, I'll have a look at my code again another day, do a bit of refactoring
264 2017-06-04T19:45:00 <spudowiar> gtg
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269 2017-06-04T20:11:19 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ehh, I'm more of the "not really ok with the idea, also considers it to have insufficient community support" view
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271 2017-06-04T20:11:51 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: how is that not "No"?
272 2017-06-04T20:12:42 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: taken separately: I'm ok going along with lots of things that I think are technically not good, if there is real community support for them. 148 falls into that category. Separately, I dont think 148 has or will get sufficient community support
273 2017-06-04T20:13:13 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: I dunno, your putting folks into buckets idea loses all nuance
274 2017-06-04T20:13:21 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you should create a separate category for everyone :)
275 2017-06-04T20:13:51 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: thoughts on BIP 149, Segwit2x, and COOP? :P
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277 2017-06-04T20:14:10 <BlueMatt> bye andrew :(
278 2017-06-04T20:17:40 <luke-jr> ?
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315 2017-06-04T22:05:17 <aj> luke-jr: wow, your bip148 branch got complicated
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318 2017-06-04T22:17:25 <luke-jr> aj: it now has bugfixes applicable to softforks in general, not specific to BIP148
319 2017-06-04T22:17:28 <luke-jr> (and not required for BIP148)
320 2017-06-04T22:18:26 <aj> luke-jr: yep, i found #10512. sounds like an improvement
321 2017-06-04T22:18:27 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10512 | Rework same-chain from abusing DoS banning, to explicit checks by luke-jr · Pull Request #10512 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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