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 42 2017-08-20T06:28:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] CryptAxe opened pull request #11098: [Qt] Add spend all button to the SendCoinsDialog (master...spendall) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11098
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 70 2017-08-20T11:21:32  <marek_> I wanna ask question. If I build bicoind with shared libraries, the version of the libraries is 0.0.0...is it wanted?
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 79 2017-08-20T13:11:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/262167393d05...a8532299d8b9
 80 2017-08-20T13:11:07  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c1470a0 Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: Increase initial RPC timeout to 60 seconds...
 81 2017-08-20T13:11:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a853229 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11091: test: Increase initial RPC timeout to 60 seconds...
 82 2017-08-20T13:11:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11091: test: Increase initial RPC timeout to 60 seconds (master...2017_08_test_wait_for_rpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11091
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156 2017-08-20T18:26:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] greenaddress opened pull request #11099: [RPC][mempool]: add rpc command to dump the mempool to disk (master...dump_mempool_rpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11099
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190 2017-08-20T21:18:23  * luke-jr prods #10595
191 2017-08-20T21:19:28  <luke-jr> #11026 seems merge-ready
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197 2017-08-20T21:33:24  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: does it make sense to support non-segwit miners in 0.16? why not just remove some code instead?
198 2017-08-20T21:33:57  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I don't think we should force miners to support Segwit. Wait until they all do so by choice IMO.
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200 2017-08-20T21:34:10  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: also, bugfixes should go into 0.15 too
201 2017-08-20T21:34:19  <luke-jr> (even if the related code is removed in 0.16)
202 2017-08-20T21:34:44  <BlueMatt> 10595 is not gonna make 15, its wayyyy too late (and is not a regression, even if you call it a bugfix)
203 2017-08-20T21:35:06  <luke-jr> it's 2 months old now :p
204 2017-08-20T21:35:07  <BlueMatt> I mean I dont disagree, but they could just as easily run pre-0.13.1 with 0.14/15 proxies
205 2017-08-20T21:35:17  <promag> luke-jr: move comment https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11026#issuecomment-322063440 to PR description?
206 2017-08-20T21:35:18  <BlueMatt> ok, well I apologize I missed it until now
207 2017-08-20T21:35:25  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it has no practical effect, so 0.15.1 is fine
208 2017-08-20T21:35:47  <BlueMatt> well my point is segwit is gonna activate by then, so we can see if its even needed at that point :p
209 2017-08-20T21:35:49  <luke-jr> promag: k
210 2017-08-20T21:36:07  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: 0.15.1 shouldn't remove features
211 2017-08-20T21:36:34  <gmaxwell> sensible 0.15.1 thing.
212 2017-08-20T21:36:55  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: note that #10595 isn't about Segwit active or not, but about whether the GBT client supports it
213 2017-08-20T21:37:03  <BlueMatt> I'm aware, yes
214 2017-08-20T21:37:13  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I think matt's point is that it won't matter much if thats supported if it's virtually unused.
215 2017-08-20T21:37:31  <luke-jr> it doesn't matter much either way
216 2017-08-20T21:37:31  <BlueMatt> well other question, do any gbt clients actually care about those fields?
217 2017-08-20T21:37:39  <luke-jr> just would be nice to get fixed so long as we support it
218 2017-08-20T21:37:43  <BlueMatt> it was my impression they ignored them entirely and just used the txn selected by bitcoind
219 2017-08-20T21:37:51  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no, that's why it doesn't matter much
220 2017-08-20T21:38:00  <BlueMatt> yea, ok
221 2017-08-20T21:38:14  <luke-jr> there might be some edge cases for p2pool or Eligius since they make large generation txns
222 2017-08-20T21:38:30  <luke-jr> but hopefully they'll just upgrade to Segwit if they haven't yet
223 2017-08-20T21:38:57  <luke-jr> (and until then, a workaround is to set maxblocksize lower)
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225 2017-08-20T21:39:24  <gmaxwell> on that subject can we please stop setting irrational defaults for the maximum size.
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227 2017-08-20T21:39:52  <BlueMatt> what default do we have for max size?
228 2017-08-20T21:40:07  <luke-jr> so reduce it?
229 2017-08-20T21:40:08  <gmaxwell> we default to a maximum weight of 3million.
230 2017-08-20T21:40:09  <BlueMatt> is it not just max_block_weight - sensible overhead of generation tx?
231 2017-08-20T21:40:13  <BlueMatt> wtf whyyyyy
232 2017-08-20T21:40:18  <BlueMatt> yea, lets fix that, please
233 2017-08-20T21:40:19  <gmaxwell> because luke-jr
234 2017-08-20T21:40:34  <luke-jr> because 1 MB blocks are not safe
235 2017-08-20T21:40:39  <gmaxwell> -makemelosemoneyplease=1
236 2017-08-20T21:41:00  <luke-jr> if we're going to go this road, we should softfork the block size limit down.
237 2017-08-20T21:41:09  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: irrespective if they're ideal for the network or not, they are locally non-optimal for miners/users, something we should (and historically have always tried to) try to avoid
238 2017-08-20T21:41:26  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ok, go find consensus for that change then we'll make it happen!
239 2017-08-20T21:41:29  <gmaxwell> the only effect these settings have is showing the world that we're idiots who don't care about the software working in reasonable ways.
240 2017-08-20T21:41:57  <gmaxwell> Personally opting to use a lower size just makes to lose money, unless you're controlling hashpower for other people, in which case it makes them lose money.
241 2017-08-20T21:41:58  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no, historically we have tried to do what is best for the network. changing that has been an unfortunate campaign of some devs.
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243 2017-08-20T21:42:39  <gmaxwell> That  is much of the reason that "have an infinite max blocksize and hope people will set it sensibly" doesn't work.
244 2017-08-20T21:42:56  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: er, no, weve done things that are good for the network at very small difference for miners/users, we do not do things which are significantly non-optimal to the point that ~every user just changes the default
245 2017-08-20T21:43:15  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: having a consistenct size is best for the network, smaller sizes make fee estimation less reliable, and hardly improve anything.  Lower _limits_ are another matter.
246 2017-08-20T21:43:31  <luke-jr> only if the fee estimation logic is broken
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249 2017-08-20T21:44:02  <gmaxwell> no, there is nothing broken.
250 2017-08-20T21:44:16  <bitcoinreminder> does anyone has a bitcoin-org email address? I created a impersonation-request on twitter for the fake https://twitter.com/BcoreProject account, but they told me that someone with a bitcoin-org email address has to create the request
251 2017-08-20T21:44:18  <gmaxwell> occasional blocks with mysteriously lower size makes the network capacity less predictable.
252 2017-08-20T21:44:34  <luke-jr> bitcoinreminder: bitcoin.org isn't even Bitcoin Core..
253 2017-08-20T21:44:46  <gmaxwell> no use in educating twitter on that.
254 2017-08-20T21:44:49  <bitcoinreminder> sorry, I meant bitcoin-core.org
255 2017-08-20T21:44:51  <gmaxwell> bitcoinreminder: email domain@bitcoin.org
256 2017-08-20T21:44:58  <gmaxwell> thats cobra.
257 2017-08-20T21:45:12  <gmaxwell> feel free to CC me or wladimir.
258 2017-08-20T21:45:12  <BlueMatt> oh, @bitcoincore.org? I assume someone does...
259 2017-08-20T21:45:15  <luke-jr> bitcoinreminder: or do you mean bitcoincore.org ? just copy/paste what you mean :/
260 2017-08-20T21:45:15  <bitcoinreminder> no sorry, I was talking about bitcoin-core
261 2017-08-20T21:45:25  <bitcoinreminder> :P
262 2017-08-20T21:45:27  <gmaxwell> hm.
263 2017-08-20T21:45:39  <gmaxwell> do we even have email working there.. BlueMatt
264 2017-08-20T21:45:55  <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: dunno, i see that there is an mx record, and there are at least aliases to send to it
265 2017-08-20T21:46:16  <luke-jr> I'd expect btcdrak to be the one to know
266 2017-08-20T21:46:18  <bitcoinreminder> just want to tell you, feel free do keep it in mind or ignore it :D
267 2017-08-20T21:46:39  <bitcoinreminder> its just sad to see so much fud/lies spread there
268 2017-08-20T21:46:47  <BlueMatt> yea, I assume btcdrak can figure out how to make it send
269 2017-08-20T21:46:56  <gmaxwell> bitcoinreminder: sounds super useful.  yea, we'll get btcdrak to handle it.
270 2017-08-20T21:47:18  <bitcoinreminder> ok cool :)
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274 2017-08-20T21:54:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #11100: Use a sensible default for blockmax{size,weight} (master...2017-08-sane-default-limits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11100
275 2017-08-20T21:55:38  <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: there you go ^
276 2017-08-20T21:57:04  * sipa just wrote an 8-way AVX2 SHA256
277 2017-08-20T21:57:20  <BlueMatt> sipa: PR plox
278 2017-08-20T21:57:23  <sipa> it seems to work
279 2017-08-20T21:57:34  <sipa> BlueMatt: where would we use it?
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281 2017-08-20T21:57:57  <sipa> merkle root calculation perhaps
282 2017-08-20T21:58:21  <BlueMatt> sipa: yes, taht
283 2017-08-20T21:58:22  <BlueMatt> that
284 2017-08-20T21:59:57  <gmaxwell> sipa: is it faster than anything
285 2017-08-20T22:00:16  <sipa> gmaxwell: haven't benchmarked
286 2017-08-20T22:00:54  <BlueMatt> sipa: it would also be kinda nice to use that during block deserialization to set the hashes of the txn, but that would be a nontrivial change to serialization code :/
287 2017-08-20T22:01:23  <sipa> yes...
288 2017-08-20T22:01:30  <BlueMatt> but, yea, I'd be super excited to see something that makes merkle root calculation any faster
289 2017-08-20T22:01:36  <BlueMatt> its one of my bigger bottlenecks
290 2017-08-20T22:01:38  <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I really want changes that let us NOT hash the transactions, so we can use that for rescan...
291 2017-08-20T22:02:02  <sipa> and block serving
292 2017-08-20T22:02:20  <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: yea, that too
293 2017-08-20T22:02:43  <BlueMatt> sipa: see-also (you're gonna kill me) https://github.com/bitcoinfibre/bitcoinfibre/commit/2263253fe73f0a5f2ee7604532582da649702396
294 2017-08-20T22:04:19  <sipa> BlueMatt: all good as long as you don't PR that :p
295 2017-08-20T22:04:23  <BlueMatt> heh, fair
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297 2017-08-20T22:20:37  * luke-jr ponders reopening #3229 since garzik and hearn shot it down, and it remains a good idea
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302 2017-08-20T22:47:58  <kanzure> luke-jr: what about providing a 'transitional' config for miners (based on the previous values), including big warning in the release notes, and then next release deprecate that extra config example file?
303 2017-08-20T22:48:50  <kanzure> (for #3229)
304 2017-08-20T22:49:17  <luke-jr> kanzure: what do you mean example? just a snippet in the release notes?
305 2017-08-20T22:49:38  <kanzure> uhh maybe. that might satisfy the concern from wumpus.
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