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  2 2017-11-11T00:12:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/61fb80660f73...033c78671b91
  3 2017-11-11T00:12:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bd9c181 John Newbery: [rpc] Add initialblockdownload to getblockchaininfo
  4 2017-11-11T00:12:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1141364 John Newbery: [trivial] (whitespace only) fix getblockchaininfo alignment
  5 2017-11-11T00:12:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 033c786 Pieter Wuille: Merge #11258: [rpc] Add initialblockdownload to getblockchaininfo...
  6 2017-11-11T00:13:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #11258: [rpc] Add initialblockdownload to getblockchaininfo (master...expose_ibd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11258
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 21 2017-11-11T01:21:43  <ZSky> Hi
 22 2017-11-11T01:22:40  <ZSky> When a block is added, is it written/serialized on disk immediately?
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 24 2017-11-11T01:23:04  <ZSky> If so, using what kind of storing? DB-like? flat files?
 25 2017-11-11T01:23:37  <sipa> flat files
 26 2017-11-11T01:24:05  <sipa> after processing (which may happen at the same time as it's received, or later), its effects are applied to the UTXO set
 27 2017-11-11T01:24:11  <ZSky> sipa: immediately after a block is added, or does it stay in RAM for a while before flushing to disk?
 28 2017-11-11T01:24:30  <sipa> it's written immediately if it's acceptable
 29 2017-11-11T01:25:02  <sipa> though we reuse the in-memory version IF processing happens at the same time
 30 2017-11-11T01:25:18  <ZSky> sipa: what kind of flat file structure? just "fopen append" to a single file?
 31 2017-11-11T01:25:59  <sipa> we keep track of how many bytes are already used in each file in a database
 32 2017-11-11T01:26:08  <sipa> and then just write the exact range
 33 2017-11-11T01:26:16  <ZSky> you mean the offset?
 34 2017-11-11T01:26:18  <sipa> yes
 35 2017-11-11T01:26:33  <ZSky> so the raw data is in one single big file (100+GB)
 36 2017-11-11T01:26:40  <sipa> no, it's in many files
 37 2017-11-11T01:26:41  <ZSky> and there's a db for offsets
 38 2017-11-11T01:26:48  <sipa> blk?????.dat
 39 2017-11-11T01:26:54  <sipa> 128 MiB each
 40 2017-11-11T01:27:24  <sipa> and indeed, there is a LevelDB database with metadata about each block (which includes the file and offset)
 41 2017-11-11T01:27:56  <ZSky> each time a 128 MiB is full, a new one is created, and the DB stores [block13672: { filenumber = 27,  offsetinfile = 283792 }, ...]
 42 2017-11-11T01:28:02  <sipa> exactly
 43 2017-11-11T01:28:08  <ZSky> oh that's nice
 44 2017-11-11T01:28:42  <ZSky> wow leveldb seems nice
 45 2017-11-11T01:29:01  <ZSky> it's been a long time I was looking for a serialized key-value storage
 46 2017-11-11T01:29:04  <ZSky> usable in production
 47 2017-11-11T01:29:20  <sipa> it's not perfect
 48 2017-11-11T01:29:29  <sipa> but better than anything else we've tried
 49 2017-11-11T01:30:02  <ZSky> so you're using this currently: https://github.com/google/leveldb
 50 2017-11-11T01:30:23  <sipa> we have our own fork with minor changes: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/leveldb
 51 2017-11-11T01:30:31  <sipa> in particular, MinGW windows support
 52 2017-11-11T01:32:47  <ZSky> sipa: dumb question: why not using leveldb this way:   block13672:  [BLOCKRAWDATA]
 53 2017-11-11T01:33:02  <ZSky> and totally rely on leveldb's data management?
 54 2017-11-11T01:33:16  <sipa> because we don't need leveldb's data management
 55 2017-11-11T01:33:42  <ZSky> you use it for metadata
 56 2017-11-11T01:33:51  <ZSky> so you kind of need a small key:value db
 57 2017-11-11T01:33:52  <sipa> yes, which is a tiny amount of data
 58 2017-11-11T01:33:55  <ZSky> true
 59 2017-11-11T01:34:14  <ZSky> so the idea is: you keep a key:value store for the smallest amount of data possible
 60 2017-11-11T01:34:14  <sipa> but for blocks themselves, we don't need consistency, or the ability to selectively update and delete, or ...
 61 2017-11-11T01:34:23  <ZSky> true
 62 2017-11-11T01:34:37  <sipa> it's just a stream of data that comes in, and we can drop it in effectively append only files on disk
 63 2017-11-11T01:34:58  <sipa> in fact, we hardly use the block data after it's been processed
 64 2017-11-11T01:35:09  <sipa> it's just for when another peer in the network asks for it
 65 2017-11-11T01:35:24  <sipa> or to rescan for old wallet activity
 66 2017-11-11T01:36:01  <ZSky> yes i see
 67 2017-11-11T01:36:13  <ZSky> historically, in the earliest implementations, what was used before leveldb?
 68 2017-11-11T01:36:34  <sipa> BDB
 69 2017-11-11T01:36:43  <sipa> changed in 0.8
 70 2017-11-11T01:36:51  <sipa> and the wallet still uses BDB
 71 2017-11-11T01:37:42  <ZSky> why no BDB anymore?
 72 2017-11-11T01:38:14  <sipa> many many reports of corruption
 73 2017-11-11T01:38:45  <sipa> incompatibilities between versions (you can't downgrade, and in some cases you can't even upgrade)
 74 2017-11-11T01:39:27  <sipa> and the fact that BDB was indirectly the cause for one of the largest operational problems the system has seen in years (read BIP50)
 75 2017-11-11T01:39:58  <ZSky> oh really?
 76 2017-11-11T01:40:00  <sipa> which was related due to it know how many locks the database will require during its operation
 77 2017-11-11T01:40:02  <ZSky> tl;dr what was it?
 78 2017-11-11T01:40:12  <sipa> while we don't need any locks at all
 79 2017-11-11T01:40:51  <sipa> you need to configure BDB with "i need up to X locks", and if any atomic database operation touches more internal records than you have configured locks, the operations fails
 80 2017-11-11T01:41:36  <sipa> this is because BDB is a multi-application database system (multiple processes can simultaneously open and modify the database, and there is consistency across them), which is something we don't care about at all
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 87 2017-11-11T01:55:21  <ZSky> sipa: what was used in 0.1.0?
 88 2017-11-11T01:55:45  <sipa> BDB
 89 2017-11-11T01:56:04  <ZSky> ok right
 90 2017-11-11T01:56:18  <ZSky> sipa: do you do python sometimes?
 91 2017-11-11T01:56:23  <sipa> hardly
 92 2017-11-11T01:57:01  <ZSky> i was looking for such a keystore in py
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 96 2017-11-11T02:02:56  <ZSky> sipa: thanks for these informations!
 97 2017-11-11T02:04:02  <sipa> yw
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111 2017-11-11T03:53:24  <cluelessperson> aj: thank you for your help
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117 2017-11-11T05:49:11  <cluelessperson> How can I help you all?
118 2017-11-11T05:49:18  <cluelessperson> I can do some devops
119 2017-11-11T05:49:20  <cluelessperson> put me to use
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124 2017-11-11T06:17:06  <meshcollider> devops...199
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132 2017-11-11T07:28:34  <mryandao> meshcollider: lol, funny
133 2017-11-11T08:03:09  <meshcollider> CScripts in the wallet don't have birth-times associated with them do they
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137 2017-11-11T09:08:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #11658: During IBD, when doing pruning, prune 10% extra to avoid pruning again soon after (master...ibd_prune_extra) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11658
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150 2017-11-11T11:25:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #11660: RPC: Internal named params (master...internal_named_params) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11660
151 2017-11-11T11:27:45  <luke-jr> ^ hope that satisfies concerns with #11441
152 2017-11-11T11:27:47  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11441 | rpc/server: Support for specifying options as named parameters by luke-jr · Pull Request #11441 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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160 2017-11-11T12:12:35  <meshcollider> MarcoFalke: I've seen a few PRs being closed recently as 'up for grabs', can we have a label for it to keep track of them?
161 2017-11-11T12:14:13  <meshcollider> Maybe called "Abandoned" or something
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172 2017-11-11T13:41:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/6de3203cdce2d8532f39f9f9428c33b0dd53f623
173 2017-11-11T13:41:42  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6de3203 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 0.15.1...
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176 2017-11-11T13:43:18  <F0lks> Hi, is there some devs' available for a little talk ? It won't be long I promise
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184 2017-11-11T14:27:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #11662: [0.15] Sanity-check script sizes in bitcoin-tx (0.15...bitcoin-tx-script-sizes-0.14) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11662
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188 2017-11-11T14:57:47  <wumpus> release date 2017-11-11
189 2017-11-11T14:57:48  <wumpus> nice
190 2017-11-11T14:59:52  <wxss> \o/
191 2017-11-11T15:02:10  <paveljanik> remaining days to Xmas: *42*.
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193 2017-11-11T15:11:33  <LumberCartel> paveljanik++
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196 2017-11-11T15:16:58  <wumpus> :D
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200 2017-11-11T16:15:03  <MarcoFalke> meshcollider: Sure will do that
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202 2017-11-11T16:23:54  <LowKey> hi, anyone know how to build mac wallet for bitcoin?
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204 2017-11-11T16:27:36  <mlz> LowKey, ask in #bitcoin channel
205 2017-11-11T16:27:53  <LowKey> ok
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216 2017-11-11T17:39:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6de3203cdce2...95e14dc81dd3
217 2017-11-11T17:39:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ea0cd24 John Newbery: [tests] Tidy up receivedby.py...
218 2017-11-11T17:39:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5e0ba8f John Newbery: [wallet] getreceivedbyaddress should return error if address is not mine
219 2017-11-11T17:39:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 95e14dc MarcoFalke: Merge #11055: [wallet] [rpc] getreceivedbyaddress should return error if called with address not owned by the wallet...
220 2017-11-11T17:40:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11055: [wallet] [rpc] getreceivedbyaddress should return error if called with address not owned by the wallet (master...getreceivedbyaddress_error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11055
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222 2017-11-11T18:02:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #11663: [trivial] doc: Add getreceivedbyaddress release notes (master...Mf1711-docReleaseNotes16) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11663
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224 2017-11-11T18:12:25  <sipa> MarcoFalke: your PGP signatures scare me!
225 2017-11-11T18:12:34  <MarcoFalke> why is that?
226 2017-11-11T18:12:54  <sipa> any time i receive a bitcoin related email with PGP headers i assume there is some terrible vulnerability :)
227 2017-11-11T18:15:26  <MarcoFalke> heh. Makes sense now that you say it. I will try to figure out something else.
228 2017-11-11T18:20:02  <sipa> oh please no, it was not a complaint :)
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232 2017-11-11T18:33:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/95e14dc81dd3...13e352dc53de
233 2017-11-11T18:33:50  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 927f4ff Luke Dashjr: GUI: Receive: Remove option to reuse a previous address...
234 2017-11-11T18:33:51  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 13e352d MarcoFalke: Merge #3716: GUI: Receive: Remove option to reuse a previous address...
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252 2017-11-11T19:33:19  <luke-jr> jnewbery: promag: am I missing something? :/ http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/Screenshot_20171111_192644.png
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259 2017-11-11T20:27:06  <promag> luke-jr: what you mean? the test verifies that initialblockdownload is a key of getblockchaininfo response
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262 2017-11-11T20:29:12  <promag> https://github.com/jnewbery/bitcoin/blob/11413646be2a6d0bf1c857753bfcec0af60c72b8/test/functional/blockchain.py#L54-L73
263 2017-11-11T20:29:53  <promag> or am I wrong?
264 2017-11-11T20:30:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] benma closed pull request #9897: AppInitMain: split initialization of Connman into a new function (master...connman) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9897
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271 2017-11-11T21:03:00  <luke-jr> promag: for some reason, GitHub isn't showing me that part :|
272 2017-11-11T21:04:42  <luke-jr> oh well
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275 2017-11-11T21:17:25  <jtimon> jl2012: not sure if you still want to do #11398 on top of #11426 since some people don't seem to agree it makes things easier, but rebased
276 2017-11-11T21:17:27  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11398 | Hardcode CSV and SEGWIT deployment by jl2012 · Pull Request #11398 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
277 2017-11-11T21:17:28  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11426 | BIP90: Make buried deployments slightly more easily extensible by jtimon · Pull Request #11426 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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294 2017-11-11T23:11:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/13e352dc53de...2adbddb03840
295 2017-11-11T23:11:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1e65f0f practicalswift: Use compile-time constants instead of unnamed enumerations (remove "enum hack")
296 2017-11-11T23:11:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2adbddb MarcoFalke: Merge #10749: Use compile-time constants instead of unnamed enumerations (remove "enum hack")...
297 2017-11-11T23:11:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #10749: Use compile-time constants instead of unnamed enumerations (remove "enum hack") (master...enum-hack) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10749
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