1 2017-11-12T00:02:48  <aj> MarcoFalke: wow, pgp signed github acks? intense
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 55 2017-11-12T04:45:17  <tyrick> Is this where I come to bug people about core code?
 56 2017-11-12T04:47:08  <mlz> tyrick, you can ask in #bitcoin channel
 57 2017-11-12T04:47:27  <LumberCartel> tyrick:  This is where core developers are collaborating.  I suggest not trying to "bug" anyone here.  You might try asking about your issue in the #bitcoin channel first.
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 72 2017-11-12T05:15:19  <ChristianXK> 👨🏻
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 82 2017-11-12T06:07:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MeshCollider opened pull request #11667: Add scripts to dumpwallet RPC (master...201710_dumpwallet_scripts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11667
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111 2017-11-12T08:47:24  <ossifrage> I tried to rbf a transaction with 2 outputs, one in my wallet and one external, but it didn't mark the one from my wallet as a change address. Is this a bug?
112 2017-11-12T08:47:54  <ossifrage> [I didn't use the change address field, just manually added it as an output]
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115 2017-11-12T09:06:30  <BGL> why can't bitcoin core start where it left off on re-indexing blocks, i seriously just had to restart twice in the last day and i'm back to zero again
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117 2017-11-12T09:06:49  <BGL> probly not even going to finish by tomorrow
118 2017-11-12T09:07:00  <BGL> not even sure why i bothered manually transferring the block files
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120 2017-11-12T09:08:47  <gmaxwell> BGL: it does continue where it left off, though if you've set your dbcache large then most of its work won't have been written to disk yet.
121 2017-11-12T09:09:53  <BGL> it's default
122 2017-11-12T09:10:36  <BGL> 450mb, and now i'm 7 years behind again
123 2017-11-12T09:11:01  <BGL> for the 3rd time
124 2017-11-12T09:11:22  <BGL> this is on a brand new ssd so .. i don't get that either
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132 2017-11-12T09:58:35  <luke-jr> BGL: why did you have to restart? ie, how did your computer stop doing it?
133 2017-11-12T09:58:48  <luke-jr> might be best to take this to #bitcoin ..
134 2017-11-12T09:58:59  <BGL> windows update
135 2017-11-12T09:59:04  <BGL> this last time
136 2017-11-12T09:59:16  <BGL> and the first time was because i forgot the program closes instead of minimizing to the tray by default
137 2017-11-12T10:00:05  <BGL> i've blown a whole day, literally now
138 2017-11-12T10:00:29  <luke-jr> hmm, I would expect a clean shutdown to work properly at least regardless of dbcache state
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140 2017-11-12T10:00:49  <BGL> i don't know if i'd consider windows update a clean shutdown
141 2017-11-12T10:01:13  <BGL> according to it anyways
142 2017-11-12T10:02:04  <meshcollider> I guess the first should have been a clean shutdown though, if you just hit close?
143 2017-11-12T10:03:03  <BGL> well i guess that's a good point i'm not sure
144 2017-11-12T10:03:14  <BGL> i copied the blockchain, chainstate and some otehr stuff from another machine
145 2017-11-12T10:03:41  <BGL> i'd hoped this wouldn't be so involved by doing that
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147 2017-11-12T10:05:13  <BGL> but maybe i incorrectly copied some file into this new machine that's causing a problem?
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149 2017-11-12T10:05:34  <luke-jr> when you start it, does it mention corruption or anything?
150 2017-11-12T10:05:47  <BGL> no
151 2017-11-12T10:07:58  <BGL> if i manage to get fully through and it decides to start all over then i'll just clean install and download the chain again directly
152 2017-11-12T10:08:18  <BGL> but i sure wish this wasn't ungodly slow and gave some explanation or something
153 2017-11-12T10:09:07  <luke-jr> it's just going to get slower and slower until the block size is reduced :<
154 2017-11-12T10:10:29  <BGL> i was wondering if that blocks dir can be compressed for transfer? or does it not compress well at all
155 2017-11-12T10:10:44  <BGL> by the time i thought of it i was halfway through anyways
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158 2017-11-12T10:25:05  <luke-jr> BGL: it probably can be compressed, but not exceptionally well with standard tools
159 2017-11-12T10:26:11  <luke-jr> in terms of syncing, compression may be more harm than good since ideal compression could break parallelism
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175 2017-11-12T11:42:01  <gmaxwell> [OT] TD-Linux was able to disable ME on my new T470p using me_cleaner, it was zero difficulty (releatively speaking: requires clamping a flash programmer into the board)
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178 2017-11-12T11:48:10  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: any effect on battery life?
179 2017-11-12T11:48:50  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: dunno yet, not expecting so, but will test tomorrow.
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186 2017-11-12T12:29:53  <sher48> what about big hashrate fluctuations? -28.68% _in 24 hours) is not good
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188 2017-11-12T12:35:02  <sher48> it's time to switch miners mostly to commission income...
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203 2017-11-12T14:04:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jBarz opened pull request #11669: Trivial: use unsigned type for delta (master...fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11669
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206 2017-11-12T14:07:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #11669: Trivial: use unsigned type for delta (master...fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11669
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235 2017-11-12T17:17:08  <ossifrage> Should dumprivkey work for a segwit address? validateaddress lists the address, but dumpprivkey returns 'Address does not refer to a key (code -3)'
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241 2017-11-12T17:41:59  <sipa> ossifrage: not yet
242 2017-11-12T17:43:06  <ossifrage> sipa, thanks... eventually I was able to backtrack to the original address I used for the 'addwitnessaddress' and the privkey for that address...
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251 2017-11-12T19:17:16  <luke-jr> ossifrage: note that ordinarily people should not use dumpprivkey at all - it's for wallet debugging, nothing more
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253 2017-11-12T19:18:35  <ossifrage> luke-jr, yeah I just did that as a sanity check when the dumprivkey key was confusing me
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255 2017-11-12T19:19:07  <ossifrage> When I saw that none of the segwit addresses where in the dump I realized it wasn't specific to the key I was looking for
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259 2017-11-12T19:32:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mikedennis closed pull request #11670: [Docs] Update with instructions for WSL for Win 10 fall 2017 creator update (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11670
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262 2017-11-12T19:34:52  <blockchain> @luke-jr why not ? I used dumprivkey to dump all my privat keys and save them seperatly
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264 2017-11-12T19:37:09  <luke-jr> blockchain: 1) you'll miss metadata for sure, 2) novices will miss change, 3) newer wallets are HD, which don't have individual per-address private keys
265 2017-11-12T19:57:16  <blockchain> so what do you recommend. I don´t want all my bitcoins in one wallet
266 2017-11-12T19:58:10  <blockchain> individual per-address privat keys? I have about 100 privat keys with my bitcoins in it spreaded
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271 2017-11-12T20:02:50  <sipa> blockchain: bitcoin core now supports multiple wallets
272 2017-11-12T20:02:53  <sipa> since 0.15
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275 2017-11-12T20:06:53  <blockchain> i like the idea being able to redeem by privat keys on other wallets as well. So i can use my privat keys to redeem on blockchain.info for example. Its precarious ?
276 2017-11-12T20:07:26  <sipa> you can, but you're on your own
277 2017-11-12T20:07:32  <sipa> it's not what bitcoin core was designed for
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279 2017-11-12T20:11:06  <blockchain> So actually I have saved one wallet.dat with all my bitcoins stored some years ago. Then when I want to use some bitcoin I just load one privat key into my new wallet.dat.  I am somehow concerned loading my whole wallet with all my bitcoins stored evertime I want to move some bitcoins
280 2017-11-12T20:12:08  <blockchain> Although my computer is crypted, someone might catch up while I am outside or some police raid or forced robbery.
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282 2017-11-12T20:12:30  <eck> I was told that there's a proposal from someone (I forget who!) to do multi-process bitcoin core, where some of the processes could be sandboxed (similar to firefox/chrome); does anyone know where I could learn more about this?
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317 2017-11-12T22:17:42  <puff> Good evening.
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324 2017-11-12T22:51:58  <luke-jr> v0.15.1.knots20171111 tagged on https://github.com/bitcoinknots/bitcoin if anyone wants to help do gitian builds
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329 2017-11-12T23:14:26  <BGL> i think this core client really is downloading all the dat again despite it saying its reindexing blocks on disks
330 2017-11-12T23:16:31  <sipa> why do you think so?
331 2017-11-12T23:16:56  <BGL> it's been like 15 hours and it's at 8%
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333 2017-11-12T23:17:04  <oerauakk> "But in reality that's bullshit, full nodes are useless in the Bitcoin beyond providing connection points, what matter is the ring of inter connected mining nodes that guarantee your new transactions to reach 99% of hash power within 3 seconds."
334 2017-11-12T23:17:08  <oerauakk> How much truth is there to this statement?
335 2017-11-12T23:17:57  <sipa> oerauakk: full nodes are there to keep miners in check
336 2017-11-12T23:18:08  <sipa> if all miners are honest, full nodes are useless
337 2017-11-12T23:18:23  <sipa> but in that case, why do we have mining in the first place?
338 2017-11-12T23:18:56  <sipa> the whole point is to design a system where we don't rely on assuming miners - or anyone - is honest
339 2017-11-12T23:20:21  <oerauakk> sipa: but is there a limit to how many extra full nodes still benefit the network? Less nodes means more centralisation, but does more nodes mean a healthier network, or is there some threshold where there is not really any point in adding more nodes?
340 2017-11-12T23:20:26  <oerauakk> Can more nodes actually hinder the network?
341 2017-11-12T23:20:58  <sipa> oerauakk: *using* a full node matters
342 2017-11-12T23:21:11  <sipa> as in: basing your economic activity on one
343 2017-11-12T23:21:28  <sipa> not accepting transactions unless *your own* full node accepts ot
344 2017-11-12T23:21:35  <sipa> that is how you reduce trust
345 2017-11-12T23:22:35  <oerauakk> I see
346 2017-11-12T23:22:42  <oerauakk> Thanks, I understand it a little better now
347 2017-11-12T23:22:47  <sipa> you shouldn't care about others full nodes, except as an indication for how hard it is
348 2017-11-12T23:23:29  <oerauakk> But is there any merit to the argument that adding more nodes doesn't necessarily mean a healthier network?
349 2017-11-12T23:23:31  <oerauakk> how hard?
350 2017-11-12T23:24:27  <sipa> adding random nodes that nobody looks at doesn't matter at all
351 2017-11-12T23:24:38  <sipa> the network doesn't have a need for more nodes
352 2017-11-12T23:25:00  <sipa> but the ecosystem needs much more players that *use* their own nodes
353 2017-11-12T23:25:16  <sipa> also, this discussion probably belongs on #bitcoin
354 2017-11-12T23:25:50  <oerauakk> Sorry, I wasn't sure where to go
355 2017-11-12T23:25:54  <oerauakk> But thanks for your answers
356 2017-11-12T23:27:31  <luke-jr> BGL: quite often, the bottleneck is your CPU/disk, not bandwidth
357 2017-11-12T23:27:50  <luke-jr> BGL: it's not just loading data; it's verifying and processing it into a database
358 2017-11-12T23:28:13  <BGL> it's on a brand new ssd and not putting more than a ~25% load on the cpu
359 2017-11-12T23:28:20  <BGL> i've benchmarked both and they are acting as expected
360 2017-11-12T23:29:16  <sipa> BGL: increase your dbcache
361 2017-11-12T23:29:36  <BGL> for some reason i thought i'd save time by copying the blocks folder to this machine
362 2017-11-12T23:29:48  <sipa> also, validation early on in the chain is limited to 1 core
363 2017-11-12T23:29:51  <BGL> increasing that on the fly while re-indexing will make a diff?
364 2017-11-12T23:30:22  <luke-jr> BGL: you need to restart the node to change it (although it *should* resume where it left off)
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366 2017-11-12T23:31:00  <BGL> it didn't restart where it left off when i accidentally closed the window the first time, or when windows update re-booted the machine unexpextedly
367 2017-11-12T23:31:24  <luke-jr> I remember, hence the "should"
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370 2017-11-12T23:32:50  <oerauakk> sipa: can I just ask though, if adding more nodes does not necessarily benefit the network, then why is it important to have more players use their own node?
371 2017-11-12T23:33:30  <sturles> Can I make bitcoin use segwit addresses for change now, on master, or is that still a subject for discussion on how to do it properly?
372 2017-11-12T23:34:30  <BGL> sipa when does validation start using more than 1 core?
373 2017-11-12T23:34:41  <luke-jr> oerauakk: I answered that already in #Bitcoin fyi
374 2017-11-12T23:34:58  <BGL> you can't change the dbcache without a client restart
375 2017-11-12T23:35:01  <luke-jr> sturles: pretty sure you can't right now at least
376 2017-11-12T23:35:40  <sturles> Will it do it automatically, or optionally as an agrument to sendmany etc?
377 2017-11-12T23:35:52  <oerauakk> luke-jr: I seem to have missed it (disconnected)
378 2017-11-12T23:35:58  <oerauakk> could you copy?
379 2017-11-12T23:36:06  <oerauakk> I'll switch to #bitcoin
380 2017-11-12T23:36:11  <luke-jr> oerauakk: reposted there
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