12018-07-18T00:30:50 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: the sender of a compact block can include additional transactions with their message, per their own decision, in the hopes that it'll help you reconstruct the block.
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182018-07-18T02:22:14 <luckydogchina> Hi, guys. I'm a new developer.
192018-07-18T02:25:15 <luckydogchina> Has the lightning network been released?
202018-07-18T02:29:08 <luckydogchina> What features are mainly developed now in bitcoin-core?
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242018-07-18T02:47:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 closed pull request #13482: Remove boost::program_options dependency (master...program_options) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13482
252018-07-18T02:49:13 <sipa> kallewoof: sorry for hammering on the coin selection policy change in your PR, but I'm very concerned about this having unintended effects on fees and/or UTXO set growth
262018-07-18T02:50:34 <kallewoof> sipa: Understood. I think it will have limited consequences, though. It only affects someone who has address reuse and they may end up with a minor increase in fees in return for increased privacy. They also need to enable the avoid reuse flag themselves.
272018-07-18T02:51:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 reopened pull request #13482: Remove boost::program_options dependency (master...program_options) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13482
282018-07-18T02:51:27 <sipa> kallewoof: not that i suspect that anything is wrong with it, but it's just very hard to reason about the long term effects of such policy changes, so I'd really only want to make them after extensive simulations (the sort of simulations achow101 is doing for #13307)
292018-07-18T02:51:31 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13307 | Replace coin selection fallback strategy with Single Random Draw by achow101 · Pull Request #13307 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
302018-07-18T02:55:59 <kallewoof> sipa: I'll think of alternatives to that change, but I think it will be difficult. The existing algorithms sort of only pick the lowest larger as a last effort, so they will de-prioritize the privacy increase given by the change..
312018-07-18T02:56:21 <kallewoof> BnB/knapsack I mean
322018-07-18T02:58:30 <sipa> kallewoof: i understand, but i expect you can up woth a dozen scenarios why the specific algorithms we're using now may be suboptimal for various goals
332018-07-18T02:58:45 <sipa> *come up
342018-07-18T02:59:23 <sipa> kallewoof: once we get rid of the knapsack fallback strategy i expect this will be less of a concern too
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362018-07-18T02:59:39 <sipa> there is mr. coin selection
372018-07-18T03:00:08 <kallewoof> sipa: Problem is, this algorithm actually makes things worse without that change. :/ We go from 'perhaps be lucky and pick two A utxo's' to 'purposefully avoid the two A utxo's because they sum to > than target'...
382018-07-18T03:01:05 <kallewoof> Maybe I should focus on simulations and abandon hopes of a 0.17 merge.
392018-07-18T03:01:57 <sipa> kallewoof: i had also hoped this could go in as just a simple change with limited impact that clearly can't hurt
402018-07-18T03:02:23 <sipa> kallewoof: but if you need to make policy changes that seem unrelated, it looks like a potentially far more invasive thing
412018-07-18T03:04:42 <sipa> i hope others chime in about this :)
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432018-07-18T03:14:55 <sipa> kallewoof: i'm not sure i agree it reduces privacy in this scenario even; yes, it may prefer b,c over a,a - but it's never going to pick a,b or a,c
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472018-07-18T03:32:47 <kallewoof> sipa: that's true...
482018-07-18T03:33:04 <kallewoof> sipa: it doesn't reduce privacy, but it loses a potential opportunity to increase it
492018-07-18T03:33:39 <kallewoof> sipa: maybe that's acceptable as a first merge, with a policy change afterwards...
502018-07-18T03:35:34 <sipa> kallewoof: i expect in 0.18 the knapsack solver will be gone regardless
512018-07-18T03:36:43 <kallewoof> sipa: Oh. I didn't realize this was in the knapsack solver only. I somehow thought it happened before the algo
522018-07-18T03:37:55 <sipa> i didn't check; but that sort of logic sounds like the kind of hacks i expect in the knapsack solver :)
532018-07-18T03:38:04 <kallewoof> Yeah.. That's because I wrote this code before the BnB merge.
542018-07-18T03:38:38 <kallewoof> I'm gonna remove it from the PR for now with a potential follow-up that adds it if it seems warranted.
552018-07-18T03:39:05 <sipa> sgtm; i'll review more in a couple hours
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602018-07-18T04:30:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] masonicboom opened pull request #13698: doc: Document contributing a scripted diff (master...scripted-diff-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13698
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922018-07-18T05:26:22 <AHemlocksLie> I'm interested in getting involved and making some contributions, but I've never worked on an open source project like this. What's the best way to jump in? How do I make sure I'm not working on something that's already got 3 other people on it? What can I do to make my work more likely to be accepted so I don't waste time accidentally going against the project?
932018-07-18T05:28:01 <kallewoof> AHemlocksLie: start off reading all the docs you can find on github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin in particular the developer docs and contributor guidelines. Then look at pull requests people have made and get a feel for how the process works. To actually do something, I suggest actually using the software. You run into things you want to improve and then you work on that.
942018-07-18T05:28:15 <kallewoof> If your C++ is weak, you should work on that too, of course.
952018-07-18T05:29:51 <AHemlocksLie> It's rusty, but I used to be decent. Should be able to brush up again. Thanks for the info.
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1202018-07-18T06:38:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #13699: contrib: correct version check (master...contrib-py-zmq-version) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13699
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1272018-07-18T07:52:03 <wumpus> AHemlocksLie: for finding issues to start with, see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22good+first+issue%22
1282018-07-18T07:54:22 <fanquake> wumpus #13692 Should be mergeable
1292018-07-18T07:54:23 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13692 | contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13692 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1302018-07-18T07:56:35 <gmaxwell> kallewoof: if it's any consolation, it's better for a transaction to spend b,c than it is for two different transactions to spend a and a,b the 'merging' of coin paths is a lot less harmful to privacy than the splitting of it.
1312018-07-18T07:59:29 <kallewoof> gmaxwell: Yeah, I guess that's an improvement too.
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1332018-07-18T08:17:26 <provoostenator> sipa: thanks, I didn't realize gists don't do notifications. Maybe Microsoft can fix that :-)
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1492018-07-18T09:57:27 <wumpus> fanquake: looks like it, thanks
1502018-07-18T09:57:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c01ab133d7ae...f5d166acf909
1512018-07-18T09:57:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa7f8a7 MarcoFalke: contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build
1522018-07-18T09:57:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f5d166a Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13692: contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build...
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1542018-07-18T09:58:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13692: contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build (master...Mf1807-contribGitianBuild) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13692
1552018-07-18T10:01:12 <fanquake> wumpus also #13699 and I think 13672
1562018-07-18T10:01:14 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13699 | contrib: correct version check by kallewoof · Pull Request #13699 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHubAsset 1Asset 1
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1582018-07-18T10:08:42 <fanquake> Also 13625 and 13633 heh
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1622018-07-18T10:36:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #13702: Update cross compilation dependencies for Bionic, clarify depends usage (master...2018/07/bionic-depends-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13702
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1892018-07-18T12:03:32 <fanquake> Have added #13247 to the 0.17.0 milestone, it's doc additions and a test that was split out of #13023.
1902018-07-18T12:03:36 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13023 | Fix some concurrency issues in ActivateBestChain() by skeees · Pull Request #13023 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1912018-07-18T12:03:37 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13247 | Add tests to SingleThreadedSchedulerClient() and document the memory model by skeees · Pull Request #13247 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1962018-07-18T12:49:23 <wumpus> okay
1972018-07-18T12:51:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f5d166acf909...4c6d1b9973c9
1982018-07-18T12:51:40 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 066d297 Karl-Johan Alm: contrib: correct version check...
1992018-07-18T12:51:41 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4c6d1b9 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13699: contrib: correct version check...
2002018-07-18T12:52:28 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13699: contrib: correct version check (master...contrib-py-zmq-version) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13699
2012018-07-18T13:04:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13672: Modified in_addr6 cast in CConman class to work with msvc (master...ip6castfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13672
2022018-07-18T13:08:31 <wumpus> for 13672 I was afraid it would bring back some problems, I remember that part of the code being heavily patched and contended already, I hope it's finally ok now
2032018-07-18T13:08:51 <wumpus> palimpsest function
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2062018-07-18T13:18:42 <fanquake> heh. It always seems like the Windows builds/build tools can easily break, and just remain that way for some time
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2102018-07-18T13:24:33 <wumpus> I don't think many people are building using msvc
2112018-07-18T13:24:51 <wumpus> could be because there's not much interest in doing so, or because sipsorcery's guide is not well-known
2122018-07-18T13:25:27 <fanquake> yep that's most of the reason I reckon, just not many people building
2132018-07-18T13:26:05 <wumpus> at least openbsd and freebsd problems tend to be reported quickly nowadays
2142018-07-18T13:27:09 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0d8d6be79119...9d26b690e758
2152018-07-18T13:27:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41a8c8d MarcoFalke: travis: Check that ~/.bitcoin is never created
2162018-07-18T13:27:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fabe28a MarcoFalke: qa: Temporarily disable test that reads the default datadir location
2172018-07-18T13:27:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9d26b69 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13687: travis: Check that ~/.bitcoin is never created...
2182018-07-18T13:27:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13687: travis: Check that ~/.bitcoin is never created (master...Mf1709-travisHomeDirBtc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13687
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2212018-07-18T13:51:26 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: its no doubt long since time to implement prediction, though sadly I dont have time atm :(
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2252018-07-18T14:30:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9d26b690e758...714667268713
2262018-07-18T14:30:17 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 801cb30 Samuel B. Atwood: doc: Add release notes for -printtoconsole and -debuglogfile changes...
2272018-07-18T14:30:18 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7146672 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13625: doc: Add release notes for -printtoconsole and -debuglogfile changes...
2282018-07-18T14:31:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13625: doc: Add release notes for -printtoconsole and -debuglogfile changes (master...printtoconsole_release_notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13625
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2382018-07-18T15:19:40 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 417b6c1 Thomas Kerin: bitcoinconsensus: invalid flags should be set to bitcoinconsensus_error type, add test cases covering bitcoinconsensus error codes
2392018-07-18T15:19:40 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 585db54 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13655: bitcoinconsensus: invalid flags error should be set to bitcoinconsensus_err...
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2512018-07-18T16:21:41 <promag> is #13697 for 0.17?
2522018-07-18T16:21:44 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13697 | Support output descriptors in scantxoutset by sipa · Pull Request #13697 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2602018-07-18T16:35:04 <sipa> promag: i would like it to be, but it is very late
2612018-07-18T16:35:29 <sipa> if it's not for 0.17, it'll need to be a separate interfacs rather than replacing the existing ones
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2632018-07-18T16:44:27 <echeveria> > 2018-07-18 16:39:53.624243 Successfully reconstructed block 00000000000000000000a34548e4384fb22321382fb3d101f1c9281813440a28 with 1 txn prefilled, 0 txn from mempool (incl at least 0 from extra pool) and 2348 txn requested
2642018-07-18T16:44:42 <echeveria> hm. sort of feels like blocksonly=1 should unset compact blocks :)
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2662018-07-18T16:49:35 <sipa> can anyone still access the BIP174 PR without getting a unicorn?
2672018-07-18T16:50:02 <echeveria> 12136?
2682018-07-18T16:52:23 <sipa> #13557
2692018-07-18T16:52:34 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13557 | HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway
2702018-07-18T16:57:43 <echeveria> that's an error
2712018-07-18T16:57:53 <echeveria> nope, now it loads.
2722018-07-18T16:57:58 <echeveria> #13557
2732018-07-18T16:58:07 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13557 | BIP 174 PSBT Serializations and RPCs by achow101 · Pull Request #13557 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2742018-07-18T17:00:28 <gmaxwell> echeveria: hm. I thought I changed it a while back to not use CB if your mempool is empty.
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2762018-07-18T17:18:40 <wumpus> unicorns here while logged in, but not in private browsing
2772018-07-18T17:19:30 <wumpus> ?timeline_per_page=20
2782018-07-18T17:19:32 <wumpus> works
2792018-07-18T17:20:25 <sipa> wumpus: oh!
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2832018-07-18T17:28:18 <gmaxwell> sipa: another alternative, though I'd like to see it go in too, would be to mark scantoutset expiremental so we can change the interface without surprising anyone.
2842018-07-18T17:30:34 <sipa> gmaxwell: yeah, that's an option
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2882018-07-18T17:41:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #13703: 0.16.2: [doc] Bump manpages (0.16...Mf1807-16man) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13703
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3002018-07-18T18:08:35 <promag> sipa: I'd rather merge your change for 0.17 and tag it experimental than changing API
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3022018-07-18T18:15:21 <achow101> wumpus: is #13500 ready to be merged? has 3 utacks and is pretty simple
3032018-07-18T18:15:23 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13500 | [wallet] Decouple wallet version from client version by achow101 · Pull Request #13500 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3042018-07-18T18:16:39 <sipa> promag: ...?
3052018-07-18T18:16:55 <sipa> promag: merging my change would be changing the API
3062018-07-18T18:17:49 <promag> sipa: it wasn't released yet
3072018-07-18T18:19:20 <sipa> promag: oh, that's what you mean
3082018-07-18T18:19:24 <sipa> promag: yes, that's my preference too
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3102018-07-18T18:19:42 <promag> sipa: right
3112018-07-18T18:19:46 <promag> :P
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3152018-07-18T18:26:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 9 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/585db54dd1ae...b6547234616f
3162018-07-18T18:26:23 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41c607f Andrew Chow: Implement PSBT Structures and un/serialization methods per BIP 174
3172018-07-18T18:26:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 12bcc64 Andrew Chow: Add pubkeys and whether input was witness to SignatureData...
3182018-07-18T18:26:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e9d86a4 Andrew Chow: Methods for interacting with PSBT structs...
3192018-07-18T18:26:29 <sipa> \oooooo/
3202018-07-18T18:26:36 <achow101> yay!
3212018-07-18T18:27:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13557: BIP 174 PSBT Serializations and RPCs (master...psbt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13557
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3262018-07-18T18:42:27 <jimpo> Updated #12254 PR description with updated BIP 158 filter size stats. Cumulative filter size / cumulative base block size = 1.98%.
3272018-07-18T18:42:31 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12254 | BIP 158: Compact Block Filters for Light Clients by jimpo · Pull Request #12254 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3302018-07-18T18:55:19 <wumpus> \\o//
3312018-07-18T18:55:34 <wumpus> achow101: will take a look
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3332018-07-18T18:59:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b6547234616f...4a3e8c5aa6a5
3342018-07-18T18:59:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cd3f4aa Andrew Chow: Decouple wallet version from client version...
3352018-07-18T18:59:28 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4a3e8c5 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13500: [wallet] Decouple wallet version from client version...
3362018-07-18T19:00:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13500: [wallet] Decouple wallet version from client version (master...decouple-wallet-version) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13500
3372018-07-18T19:01:24 <wumpus> gmaxwell,sipa: marking scantxoutset as experimental sounds good to me. People will initially be learning what to do with the method anyhow, there might be some other things that need to be changed based on that learning process
3382018-07-18T19:01:35 <wumpus> (independent on whether it gets merged)
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3422018-07-18T19:14:28 <gmaxwell> I think in general we should be more agressive at marking new RPC features expiremental, more agressive at adding them, and more agressive at removing them or changing them. :)
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3452018-07-18T19:26:11 <wumpus> yes, true
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3712018-07-18T20:46:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni closed pull request #12467: build: compile univalue as c++11 (master...fix-subconfigure-args) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12467
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3782018-07-18T21:40:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #13705: build: Add format string linter (master...lint-format-strings) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13705
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4042018-07-18T23:00:28 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mitchellcash opened pull request #13706: doc: Minor improvements to release-process.md (master...release_process_doc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13706
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4092018-07-18T23:05:42 <gmaxwell> someone is calling for wumpus to be opensourced.
4102018-07-18T23:06:39 <sipa> i believe wumpus is a physically unclonable function
4112018-07-18T23:07:21 <gmaxwell> There have been some recent advances in cloning PUFs.
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