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 38 2018-08-15T03:45:41  <Jmabsd> there's a weird claim at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Constants that null outputs must have amount == 0 to be relayed. is it so?
 39 2018-08-15T03:48:02  <luke-jr> Jmabsd: I don't see what you're referring to
 40 2018-08-15T03:53:45  <Jmabsd> luke-jr: wrong url sorry, here! https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide#standard-transactions
 41 2018-08-15T03:53:50  <Jmabsd> "Bitcoin Core 0.12.0 defaults to relaying and mining null data outputs with up to 83 bytes with any number of data pushes, provided the total byte limit is not exceeded. There must still only be a single null data output and it must still pay exactly 0 satoshis."
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 43 2018-08-15T03:54:07  <sipa> that's correct
 44 2018-08-15T03:54:18  <Jmabsd> luke-jr: see there, this doc says a NULL data output (scriptpubkey = "OP_RETURN  and a constant") must have amount == 0
 45 2018-08-15T03:54:30  <Jmabsd> where did the amount == 0 requirement come from, what if I like to *BURN*?
 46 2018-08-15T03:54:39  <Jmabsd> where in the core code is this?
 47 2018-08-15T03:54:45  <sipa> there are plenty of other ways to burn
 48 2018-08-15T03:54:54  <Jmabsd> i don't want to TXFEE it
 49 2018-08-15T03:55:22  <Jmabsd> so i have a transaction with one null output. what's the easiest way to add a solid burn logic here?
 50 2018-08-15T03:55:23  <sipa> this has nothing to do with fees
 51 2018-08-15T03:55:36  <sipa> you still pay fees for null data outputs
 52 2018-08-15T03:55:59  <Jmabsd> sipa: an alternative way to burn would be to just mismatch the input txo's amount and the sum of the null data output and the change output:s amounts right
 53 2018-08-15T03:56:03  <Jmabsd> right i know
 54 2018-08-15T03:56:09  <sipa> Jmabsd: that would be creating fee
 55 2018-08-15T03:56:16  <Jmabsd> however this burn scheme is not a miner funding scheme.
 56 2018-08-15T03:56:26  <sipa> you can burn in other ways
 57 2018-08-15T03:56:30  <sipa> just send to an invalid pubkey
 58 2018-08-15T03:56:33  <Jmabsd> would you make a P2SH output that either can't be redeemed, or that contained OP_RETURN?
 59 2018-08-15T03:56:44  <Jmabsd> what's a mathemathically proven ever-invalid pubkey :)
 60 2018-08-15T03:56:49  <sipa> this discussion is more appropriate for #bitcoin or https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com
 61 2018-08-15T03:56:56  <luke-jr> sipa: that spams up the UTXO set forever though :<
 62 2018-08-15T03:57:00  <Jmabsd> arr, i'll sign up later.
 63 2018-08-15T03:57:12  <Jmabsd> what has the rationale been for enforcing amount == 0 on null data outputs?
 64 2018-08-15T03:57:21  <Jmabsd> may it be lifted in the future?
 65 2018-08-15T03:57:32  <luke-jr> Jmabsd: make a PR and see if it gets merged?
 66 2018-08-15T03:57:33  <sipa> you can change the code and run it yourself
 67 2018-08-15T03:57:43  <sipa> and convince others to run it
 68 2018-08-15T03:57:45  <sipa> or that
 69 2018-08-15T03:57:45  <Jmabsd> luke-jr: yes good point.
 70 2018-08-15T03:58:07  <Jmabsd> where is the amount == 0 check in the code?
 71 2018-08-15T03:59:40  <Jmabsd> sipa: thank you for emphasising that i should post this kind of Q online, that indeed is way better for knowledge conservation, i'll intend to do it in a while.
 72 2018-08-15T03:59:51  <Jmabsd> do you have an example of a provably-unspendable pubkey? :-}
 73 2018-08-15T04:00:50  <sipa> Jmabsd: if you ask on stackexchange, i promise i'll personally answer it
 74 2018-08-15T04:01:27  <sipa> i can't actually find the 0-value requirement in the code
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 76 2018-08-15T04:02:07  <Jmabsd> sipa: exactly, i'm rading the relay code and can't find it too. so i was thinking maybe that bitcoin.org article is bss*ahem*incorrect*ahem*obsolete.
 77 2018-08-15T04:03:14  <sipa> i would expect it to be here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/policy/policy.cpp
 78 2018-08-15T04:03:17  <sipa> but it isn't
 79 2018-08-15T04:03:38  <Jmabsd> "grep -r "amount == 0" *" gives nothing.
 80 2018-08-15T04:04:04  <sipa> the amount of a CTxOut object is called nValue, so you'd at least need to look for that
 81 2018-08-15T04:04:54  <Jmabsd> nothing.
 82 2018-08-15T04:05:14  <Jmabsd> i would think that Bitcoin accomodated burn already, that's why i was so surprised to see that comment in that bitcoin.org article.
 83 2018-08-15T04:05:46  <Jmabsd> very well. thanks for confirming. i'll presume the article was all incorrect.
 84 2018-08-15T04:05:50  <Jmabsd> in this particular question.
 85 2018-08-15T04:08:01  <sipa> i believe that's the case
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 91 2018-08-15T06:09:23  <fanquake> wumpus How'd you go with lxc 3 and getting your new gitian build setup sorted? I've been meaning to switch for the 0.17 builds.
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 94 2018-08-15T06:48:59  <jonasschnelli> fanquake: I compiled LXC 2.1 (or similar) on debian stretch and it worked flawless
 95 2018-08-15T06:49:25  <jonasschnelli> haven't tried 3 (since the 2.something version should also work)
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120 2018-08-15T09:25:58  <fanquake> jonasschnelli thanks, I'll play around with it later tonight.
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139 2018-08-15T10:33:51  <jonasschnelli> Is GetTime() to expansive to call on every message decryption?
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155 2018-08-15T13:00:22  <wumpus> fanquake: it worked great, I have succesfully built for linux, mac and windows, and tested the linux build on ARM32
156 2018-08-15T13:01:11  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: on linux time-related functions are fast because they bypass syscalls (using a DSO), on some other operating systems that will be hellishly slow though; so you'd probably want to avoid caling time functions too often
157 2018-08-15T13:01:32  <fanquake> wumpus nice
158 2018-08-15T13:03:58  <fanquake> Unsure how a readme got added with a bunch of references to open PRs? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13981#issuecomment-413190203 Not sure if they should be removed or not
159 2018-08-15T13:04:41  <wumpus> I've used debian 9, https://gist.github.com/laanwj/c62e101bfd68718f0686926dfd10666b
160 2018-08-15T13:04:48  <jonasschnelli> thanks wumpus
161 2018-08-15T13:05:43  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: I remember we had one of the tests that called a time function in an inner loop, no problem on linux, on wine though this was terrible
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163 2018-08-15T13:20:37  <fanquake> wumpus any particular reason for debootstrap 1.0.95 vs 1.0.106 ?
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165 2018-08-15T13:22:27  <fanquake> sorry disregard that, I think I see why.
166 2018-08-15T13:26:42  <wumpus> it's the ubuntu version, likely the newer one will work too if it includes bionic
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169 2018-08-15T13:40:31  <wumpus> if you get it to work with a newer version I'll update the gist
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178 2018-08-15T14:20:20  <wumpus> huh my freebsd build on master broke
179 2018-08-15T14:20:53  <wumpus> not sure this is a local issue (it appears that autoconf/automake was updated) or something with the tree
180 2018-08-15T14:23:31  <wumpus> I'll try building the revision that worked before
181 2018-08-15T14:24:33  <wumpus> --fails too, so no need to be concerned with this for rc1
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184 2018-08-15T14:41:40  <wumpus> for some reason, --disable-dependency-tracking works around the issue
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188 2018-08-15T15:12:47  <wumpus> I guess we're close to being able to tag rc1?
189 2018-08-15T15:20:01  <jamesob> pretty big spike in memory usage since Jul 31 https://bitcoinperf.com/timeline/#/?exe=3,4,2,1&base=1+23&ben=ibd.local.522000.dbcache=2048.mem-usage&env=1&revs=50&equid=off&quarts=on&extr=on
190 2018-08-15T15:20:41  <jamesob> if anyone has any inklings as to why, I'm investigating
191 2018-08-15T15:21:29  <wumpus> interesting -- is that correlated to a certain commit?
192 2018-08-15T15:21:48  <jamesob> wumpus: trying to bisect atm
193 2018-08-15T15:23:42  <jamesob> (the benchmarks were down for most of aug)
194 2018-08-15T15:24:09  <gmaxwell> jamesob: awesome.
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197 2018-08-15T15:28:25  <wumpus> jamesob: thanks! I guess logs / reflog might be able to give that information as well
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199 2018-08-15T15:29:57  <gmaxwell> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13657 I don't understand this change. Coinbase transactions can be conflicted, by being orphaned block.  I guess GetDepthInMainChain doesn't return negative in the case, but I think it probably should.
200 2018-08-15T15:30:11  <gmaxwell> Am I missing something?
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202 2018-08-15T15:43:25  <gmaxwell> I don't see any PR merged in that time span whos description makes me go "duh, obviously that would increase memory usage"
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205 2018-08-15T15:47:47  <jamesob> largest change seems to be https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f030410e88f11c5ff1ce6c80b463a1c7f6d39830
206 2018-08-15T15:48:36  <jamesob> wonder if it's something hiding in there
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208 2018-08-15T15:50:03  <jamesob> unexpected symptom of the src/span.h changes?
209 2018-08-15T15:56:47  <gmaxwell> I don't think there is a replacement for bisecting here.
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211 2018-08-15T16:11:12  <wumpus> gmaxwell: don't know about *should*, but it returns 0 when the block is not in the main chain, e.g. in CMerkleTx::GetDepthInMainChain:
212 2018-08-15T16:11:15  <wumpus>     if (!pindex || !chainActive.Contains(pindex))
213 2018-08-15T16:11:18  <wumpus>         return 0;
214 2018-08-15T16:17:56  <wumpus> so at least the assert is valid and won't result in random crashes !
215 2018-08-15T16:18:19  <wumpus> I'm also not sure whether it really is very useful
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