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  2 2018-09-02T00:11:47  <echeveria> is there any reason the p2p messages have checksums at all?
  3 2018-09-02T00:12:29  <echeveria> all of the data in messages ends up being hashed regardless somewhere down the line.
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  5 2018-09-02T00:23:57  <sipa> echeveria: there as a bug once in the message deserializer, and someone thought it was a good idea to be able to detect future things like that by adding a checksum
  6 2018-09-02T00:24:44  <sipa> this was in 0.2.x days
  7 2018-09-02T00:24:48  <sipa> early 2010 maybe
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  9 2018-09-02T00:36:10  <echeveria> kind of annoying to keep them in memory to hash them though.
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 14 2018-09-02T01:26:48  <gmaxwell> echeveria: you don't have to, you can compute the hash incrementally.
 15 2018-09-02T01:26:59  <gmaxwell> (in fact, bitcoin core computes the hash incrementaly)
 16 2018-09-02T01:27:53  <gmaxwell> The proposed encrypted transport eliminates the checksum, but introduces a mac... but at least that does something useful (protects traffic from tampering)
 17 2018-09-02T01:29:25  <gmaxwell> (and before anyone things "but bitcoin traffic doesn't really need to be tamper protected" -- it's important to authenticate encrypted data or you can use targeted tampering to extract small amounts of data from encrypted links by tampering and observing what happens)
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 21 2018-09-02T01:38:14  <fanquake> jonasschnelli Did/do you have an Xcode setup for Core dev/debugging?
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 37 2018-09-02T06:35:19  <jonasschnelli> fanquake: yes. I have one.
 38 2018-09-02T06:35:32  <jonasschnelli> though I mostly use my QtCreator setup...
 39 2018-09-02T06:35:55  <jonasschnelli> Debugger integration with QT object inspection is great.
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 53 2018-09-02T08:29:37  <fanquake> Maybe we can revisit #14091 later, but to many conflicts, and other merge issues at the moment.
 54 2018-09-02T08:29:39  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14091 | Minor style enhancement in documentation by fedsten · Pull Request #14091 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 55 2018-09-02T08:47:28  <fanquake> I don't think #14090 is going to be merged as is, but I'd like to know why using QWinTaskbarProgress is a "bad idea".
 56 2018-09-02T08:47:30  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14090 | windows: show progress bar in task bar by alexeyneu · Pull Request #14090 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 57 2018-09-02T08:48:39  <fanquake> wumpus #14129 is a trivial merge
 58 2018-09-02T08:48:40  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14129 | Trivial: update clang thread-safety docs url by Empact · Pull Request #14129 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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 61 2018-09-02T09:10:50  <wumpus> fanquake: yeap, merged
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 69 2018-09-02T10:38:06  <alexneudatchin> hi
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 71 2018-09-02T10:41:27  <wumpus> hi!
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 73 2018-09-02T10:45:45  <alexneudatchin> so 14090 is mine
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 76 2018-09-02T10:55:05  <alexneudatchin> fanquake: you need to understand that com objects may have several editions each. that qt stuff stick with sta i guess , where i use mta
 77 2018-09-02T11:00:44  <sipa> alexneudatchin: ok, that's good to know. why is using sta a problem in this case?
 78 2018-09-02T11:01:37  <jonasschnelli> alexneudatchin: why not use QWinTaskbarProgress?
 79 2018-09-02T11:05:41  <jonasschnelli> I expect that a lot of functionality your are implementing in 14090 is already usable via the QT dependency: https://github.com/qt/qtwinextras/blob/5.11/src/winextras/qwintaskbarprogress.cpp
 80 2018-09-02T11:05:41  <jonasschnelli> https://github.com/qt/qtwinextras/blob/5.11/src/winextras/qwintaskbarbutton.cpp
 81 2018-09-02T11:05:42  <alexneudatchin> mta could be used standalone coz it has own message engine.
 82 2018-09-02T11:05:54  <alexneudatchin> 5 sec
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 84 2018-09-02T11:32:10  <alexneudatchin> haha yeah . last time i stumble upon qt it fails to provide even process handle so i need a workaround.It's not suiteble for serious stuff. Here you nedd to move all com-related stuff out of a source on none-windows and you'll fail to do it
 85 2018-09-02T11:35:37  <sipa> alexneudatchin: what specific problems would result from using the qt wrappers?
 86 2018-09-02T11:35:41  <alexneudatchin> *during none-windows run
 87 2018-09-02T11:37:53  <as1nc> hello guys, i need testnet coins, and all the faucets i used before seems down, anyone willing to send me some testnet sats here mouKHkGkL6Z34csePF3WqvH1vWcyPHQgEA   thx very much
 88 2018-09-02T11:43:47  <alexneudatchin> again, my wallett address :  1MYjUaRJBgcqWXYvWsLhuA6e2Fs4jcpXTE
 89 2018-09-02T11:45:37  <sipa> alexneudatchin: no begging, please
 90 2018-09-02T11:46:16  <sipa> and please respond to the review comments
 91 2018-09-02T11:49:08  <as1nc> sipa, hello Peter, by any chance, do u know if there is a pb on testnet ? i used to send myself testnet coins to test software I'm building, but now using electrum the tx get broadcasted, but never confirmed, even with high fee. I'm kinda stuck and don't know what i can do to keep testing . thx
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 93 2018-09-02T11:49:52  <sipa> as1nc: i would suggest using regtest where possible; i don't have testnet coins available right nnow myself
 94 2018-09-02T11:51:00  <as1nc> yeah but i'm purposly building software that can play on testnet :) regtest would be local only. just asking :)
 95 2018-09-02T11:52:22  <as1nc> so hard to test stuff on bitcoin :)
 96 2018-09-02T11:54:50  <wumpus> as1nc: sure, I'll send some
 97 2018-09-02T11:55:04  <as1nc> thx a lot mate
 98 2018-09-02T11:55:51  <as1nc> can u use this address in fact mvR5dSks52r5DjQPNWMA8yyYuD595At8Q8
 99 2018-09-02T11:57:27  <wumpus> should be on the way
100 2018-09-02T11:57:56  <as1nc> got it :)
101 2018-09-02T11:59:03  <as1nc> I'll see if it's gets confirmed. but i think i have a problem, I'm using electrum, and recently none of the tx ever got confirmed
102 2018-09-02T11:59:12  <as1nc> dont know if it's an electrum problem
103 2018-09-02T11:59:37  <wumpus> could be, but also testnet can have some issues sometimes, it's not for nothing that sipa recommends using regtest
104 2018-09-02T12:00:35  <as1nc> yeah i understand, but i'm bulding a service for user to accpet bitcoin via web interface providing only their extended public keys, and I really want to provide a testnet api
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106 2018-09-02T12:00:53  <wumpus> yes, I understand
107 2018-09-02T12:01:07  <as1nc> it use to work perfectly, but now it's broken
108 2018-09-02T12:03:29  <as1nc> if it ever gets confirmed, i'll keep you posted, but i guess testnet does not work for now :(
109 2018-09-02T12:05:09  <as1nc> do you guys knows any testnet miners ?
110 2018-09-02T12:06:11  <wumpus> I don't know if there are any dedicated ones at all, it looks like people just dump hashpower onto testnet once in a while, probably when they want to test
111 2018-09-02T12:06:14  <as1nc> wumpus, did you send the coin within bitcoin core, or another wallet ?
112 2018-09-02T12:06:32  <wumpus> bitcoin core ofc
113 2018-09-02T12:07:06  <as1nc> ok, would you mind keeping me posted if you see that tx confirmed ?
114 2018-09-02T12:08:06  <as1nc> i guess i can just follow on a block explorer
115 2018-09-02T12:09:43  <wumpus> yes, please baby-sit your own tx :)
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117 2018-09-02T12:09:51  <as1nc> yeah :)
118 2018-09-02T12:10:12  <as1nc> thx again
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120 2018-09-02T12:15:05  <alexneudatchin> sipa:it's not free stuff moron
121 2018-09-02T12:15:12  <as1nc> anyone here working with testnet ? i dont know why my tx never get confirmed, even with huge fees. anyone noticed ?
122 2018-09-02T12:16:49  <wumpus> as1nc: would be better to ask in #bitcoin, this channel is for bitcoin core development
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124 2018-09-02T12:17:18  <as1nc> switching to #bitcoin right now :)
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130 2018-09-02T12:45:53  <as1nc> wumpus: just to let you know i've figured out my problem, it was that the fees was to low, even thought i've put a huge fee, a guy told me the current testnet fees are 2807.8 sat/B
131 2018-09-02T12:51:00  <wumpus> fee estimation is another non trivial thing on testnet
132 2018-09-02T12:51:27  <wumpus> (it's not easy on mainnet either, but testnet is so unpredictable)
133 2018-09-02T12:59:19  <as1nc> I learn everyday :) and that's great
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136 2018-09-02T13:16:12  <fanquake> wumpus If that guy (who you just banned) is going to carry on, I'm inclined to close that PR. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14090#issuecomment-417929318
137 2018-09-02T13:19:29  <wumpus> I'm also close to doing that, a language barrier is one thing but it doesn't give license to behave like an asshole
138 2018-09-02T13:20:13  <wumpus> the guy is just impossible to collaborate with, ignores review comments, and calls people morons... well, we don't need that drama
139 2018-09-02T13:21:36  <wumpus> I guess if it's worthwhile someone could pick up the code and go on with it but I don't know, seems it has plenty of problems too
140 2018-09-02T13:27:21  <fanquake> wumpus I'll make a comment to that affect, and if the response is un-constructive I'll close the PR, and open an issue with implementing that feature.
141 2018-09-02T13:31:47  <wumpus> thanks!
142 2018-09-02T13:45:15  <fanquake> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14090#issuecomment-417931910
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147 2018-09-02T14:33:54  <as1nc> wumpus, would you mind raising the fee of the testnet payment u sent me, it's 1 sat/b, and the current fees on testnet are really high, like at least 2800sat/b
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154 2018-09-02T15:05:29  <sipa> wumpus: well if he wants to be paid for his PR, it's not even a matter of social conventions; i don't want to be in asituatiin where we somehow owe him
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167 2018-09-02T16:27:01  <achow101> he appears to have made a death threat. I would say a ban from the github and a closing of the pr is the proper course of action
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181 2018-09-02T17:48:35  <sipa> achow101: agree, but cant do that right now
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200 2018-09-02T19:48:41  <wumpus> will do
201 2018-09-02T19:50:27  <wumpus> FWIW I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning, but because of the language barrier I was willing to give him a chance, but you're right, this is wrong in many ways
202 2018-09-02T19:51:19  <wumpus> anyhow ,blocked now
203 2018-09-02T19:53:19  <wumpus> the whole idea of contributing to an open source project and expecting the maintainers to pay you is absurd
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212 2018-09-02T21:16:28  <gmaxwell> it's not like it was a particularly interesting contribution either.
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