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 122018-09-19T01:35:24  <ctrlbreak> Need a reality check here...
 132018-09-19T01:35:49  <ctrlbreak> I just upgraded a bunch of my nodes, and the binaries report 0.16.3 with --version...
 142018-09-19T01:36:09  <ctrlbreak> if I check via 'getnetworkinfo';
 152018-09-19T01:36:12  <ctrlbreak>   "version": 160000,
 162018-09-19T01:36:12  <ctrlbreak>   "subversion": "/Satoshi:0.16.0/",
 172018-09-19T01:36:35  <ctrlbreak> This typical?  (I guess I've just never noticed before).
 182018-09-19T01:38:11  <sipa> ctrlbreak: it means you're running 0.16.0
 192018-09-19T01:38:17  <ctrlbreak> Oops! Sorry, this probably isn't the appropriate channel.  ciao
 202018-09-19T01:38:50  <ctrlbreak> Should I head to #bitcoin to find out how I've screwed this up?
 212018-09-19T01:39:14  <ctrlbreak> bitcoind and bitcoin-cli report
 222018-09-19T01:39:17  <ctrlbreak> bitcoind --version
 232018-09-19T01:39:18  <ctrlbreak> Bitcoin Core Daemon version v0.16.3
 242018-09-19T01:39:49  <sipa> ctrlbreak: let's move to #bitcoin
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 862018-09-19T08:39:50  <wumpus> harding: yep! we managed eventually, there was a commit verification problem due to someone else's gpg key expiring
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1122018-09-19T11:05:47  <ott0disk> What's the rationale behind https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14196 ?
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1142018-09-19T11:14:24  <ott0disk> never mind
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1222018-09-19T11:54:59  <provoostenator> Several links to older releases are broken as of the last few hours, e.g: https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.15.1/
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1242018-09-19T12:00:59  <provoostenator> No magnet link either for that version, I'm starting to appreciate their use :-)
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1262018-09-19T12:04:10  <harding> provoostenator: look in https://bitcoincore.org/bin/insecure-CVE-2018-17144/
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1312018-09-19T12:07:55  <provoostenator> Ok, it's not obvious that they were removed because of the CVE.
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1332018-09-19T12:08:37  <provoostenator> I don't think that's a good idea for 0.14 and 0.15 before there's a new release. There's potentially breaking API changes if someone has to jump straight to 0.16.3
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1452018-09-19T12:21:33  <harding> provoostenator: I didn't move the files; I assume wumpus did, so you'll have to persuade him if you want them moved back.  However, I personally think it's quite acceptable to make people who want to use known-vulnerable software have to put some effort into finding it, including maybe having to ask for help here or somewhere else where knowledgable people can explain the risks to them.
1462018-09-19T12:25:32  <provoostenator> They might get phished in the process though. I think some seek-advice barrier does make sense. Anyway, I'd rather focus on just getting those release done. Gitian building...
1472018-09-19T12:28:08  <dongcarl> would it be appropriate for bitcoincore.org to provide magnet links?
1482018-09-19T12:29:50  <harding> dongcarl: we do for the current active release, see https://bitcoincore.org/en/download and that data is available for some of the previous releases (I could get it for all of them back to around 0.10 if necessary).  We just don't expose it currently for previous releases.
1492018-09-19T12:30:36  <dongcarl> Ah cool!
1502018-09-19T12:33:28  <wumpus> I moved the files
1512018-09-19T12:33:37  <wumpus> it is essential to stop using those versions RIGHT NOW
1522018-09-19T12:33:59  <wumpus> a little temporary inconvenience in finding the files is no big deal
1532018-09-19T12:35:13  <wumpus> I've removed those versions from the bittorrent seeder as well, though someone else might still be seeding them ofc
1542018-09-19T12:36:06  <luke-jr> too bad BitTorrent has no way to indicate a warning for bad files
1552018-09-19T12:36:31  <wumpus> indeed
1562018-09-19T12:37:03  <luke-jr> a per-torrent alert key might have been useful
1572018-09-19T12:37:22  <wumpus> yes, if you want to help w/ 0.14 and 0.15 please do so ( provoostenator is already doing so)
1582018-09-19T12:42:30  <wumpus> luke-jr: btw someone on mastodon is saying Gentoo portage is still 0.16.0, probably a misunderstanding?
1592018-09-19T12:43:05  <luke-jr> wumpus: nope, the main tree is behind; he should add the bitcoin overlay
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1612018-09-19T12:44:59  <luke-jr> (which can be done with: layman -a bitcoin )
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1642018-09-19T12:46:22  <wumpus> thanks, passed it on
1652018-09-19T12:56:50  * wumpus building v0.15.2
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1692018-09-19T13:08:30  <achow101> were there 0.17.0rc4 detached sigs?
1702018-09-19T13:08:39  <wumpus> I don't think so yet
1712018-09-19T13:09:36  <luke-jr> hmm, Launchpad won't allow updating Yakkety, Artful, or Zesty in the PPA.. I wonder if I should delete the old builds for them, so they have nothing at all :x
1722018-09-19T13:09:53  <luke-jr> (they're stuck at 0.14.2 and 0.15.1)
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1742018-09-19T13:10:34  <wumpus> I'd say it's better to remove them, then
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1762018-09-19T13:11:32  <luke-jr> they expire in 2019 Jan anyway
1772018-09-19T13:13:34  <wumpus> distribution packaging is so useless if it's not possible to provide critical updates
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1812018-09-19T13:16:53  <luke-jr> wumpus: to be fair, I suspect those targets are ones that don't get OS updates at all anymore
1822018-09-19T13:18:40  <wumpus> right
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1842018-09-19T13:21:41  <Jmabsd> What persistent indexes and databases(""tables"") does Bitcoin Core implement today?
1852018-09-19T13:22:25  <Jmabsd> Blocks: Store of the whole blocks and some orphans, mostly as a sequence of files with bundles of blocks.
1862018-09-19T13:22:43  <luke-jr> Jmabsd: see doc/files.md
1872018-09-19T13:22:44  <Jmabsd> UTXO:s database, as a leveldb key value database where key is an *output* (unspent)
1882018-09-19T13:22:49  <Jmabsd> And an optional addrindx. More?
1892018-09-19T13:23:59  <Jmabsd> (wallet files excluded here.)
1902018-09-19T13:24:08  <Jmabsd> lukejr: what's "chainstate/*" about?
1912018-09-19T13:24:30  <Jmabsd> luke-jr: "database/*" is only wallet stuff?
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1932018-09-19T13:32:01  <achow101> Jmabsd: chainstate holds everything about the current blockchain state. it has the utxo db and other information like what the current chain tip is
1942018-09-19T13:32:06  <provoostenator> (I'm just listing potential problems, not necessarily advocating to change anything)
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1982018-09-19T13:36:48  <provoostenator> The URL change also breaks automated deploys, e.g. in Docker scripts (although images are often cached).
1992018-09-19T13:57:47  <Jmabsd> achow101: aha interesting. what about blocks/index/* and other blocks/ , anything interesting there?
2002018-09-19T13:58:18  <sipa> blocks/ contains blocks, blocks/index/ contains an index into the blocks :)
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2032018-09-19T14:04:49  <Jmabsd> sipa: and blocks/rev000??.dat is the undo data to restore UTXO:s spent by the block, yes?
2042018-09-19T14:04:59  <Jmabsd> sipa: how are orphan blocks stored?
2052018-09-19T14:06:43  <sipa> Jmabsd: since headers first there exists no more concept of orphan blocks
2062018-09-19T14:06:54  <Jmabsd> is there any wiping of orphan blocks?
2072018-09-19T14:07:12  <Jmabsd> sipa: well at least for shallow reorgs e.g. 1-2 blocks, there are many orphans aren't there?
2082018-09-19T14:07:12  <sipa> we only download blocks after the header is known and validated
2092018-09-19T14:07:23  <sipa> oh, you mean stale blocks
2102018-09-19T14:07:36  <sipa> those are just in the blocks/blk* files
2112018-09-19T14:07:40  <Jmabsd> sipa: how/where the header tree / chain stored?
2122018-09-19T14:07:48  <sipa> blocks/index
2132018-09-19T14:07:52  <Jmabsd> ah yes.
2142018-09-19T14:08:13  <sipa> no, reorganized chains are not wiped
2152018-09-19T14:08:38  <sipa> there are many questions and answers about this topic on bitcoin.stackexchange.com
2162018-09-19T14:08:58  <Jmabsd> aha will look
2172018-09-19T14:10:38  <Jmabsd> are the block headers stored separately from the blocks, where?
2182018-09-19T14:11:34  <sipa> Jmabsd: yes, in the block index (it stores headers + where on disk the full block is)
2192018-09-19T14:12:22  <sipa> Jmabsd: perhaps it would be useful to search through bitcoin stackexchange about this topic, it contains a lot more information than anyone can give you on the fly here
2202018-09-19T14:12:27  <Jmabsd> only block headers where the block was downloaded, is stored?   so a partial sync  where Bitcoin Core got the header but not the block data are dropped?
2212018-09-19T14:12:56  <sipa> no, those are also in the block index
2222018-09-19T14:13:02  <echeveria> Jmabsd: these are better questions for #bitcoin.
2232018-09-19T14:14:12  <Jmabsd> echeveria: (exactly this is Bitcoin Core blockchain storage, it's implementation-specific - however yea i see your point, these are not sourcecode questions)
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2282018-09-19T14:35:55  <wumpus> provoostenator: I think breaking automatic installs is a good thing in this case, if someone really wants to deploy using the dangerously broken version, they'll have to explicitly, purposefully add insecure-CVE-xxx
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2392018-09-19T15:14:02  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: yes. will have access to the signing keys in 4h. will sign then.
2402018-09-19T15:16:18  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: thanks!
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2982018-09-19T19:14:16  <jonasschnelli> cfields: osx 0.17.0rc4 sigs PR is up
2992018-09-19T19:14:21  <cfields> jonasschnelli: thanks!
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3012018-09-19T19:21:56  <rex4539> macOS, that is :)
3022018-09-19T19:22:25  <rex4539> OSX has been dead for years :P
3032018-09-19T19:24:40  <cfields> gitian builders: detached sigs are pushed for v0.17.0rc4
3042018-09-19T19:24:53  <sipa> rex4539: OS X 10.11 is only unsupported since august 2018 ;)
3052018-09-19T19:25:20  <sipa> cfields: what is the minimal version our release builds run on?
3062018-09-19T19:26:14  <cfields> sipa: 10.9 or 10.10? Sec, checking notes
3072018-09-19T19:26:34  <cfields> sipa: or was that sufficient to prove your point? :p
3082018-09-19T19:26:56  <sipa> yes :)
3092018-09-19T19:28:04  <cfields> yes, 10.10
3102018-09-19T19:28:41  <luke-jr> the directory is still named osx ;)
3112018-09-19T19:29:12  <rex4539> I once filed a PR to rename OSX to macOS and was rejected :)
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3132018-09-19T19:29:53  <sipa> well, we could drop 10.11 and below apparently, as they're out of support
3142018-09-19T19:30:01  <sipa> (but only since last month)
3152018-09-19T19:30:09  <cfields> fanquake/achow101/jonasschnelli/provoostenator/luke-jr/wumpus/MarcoFalke/fivepiece: see above, detached sigs are up
3162018-09-19T19:30:15  <jonasschnelli> o/
3172018-09-19T19:30:36  <emilengler> Why Bitcoin Core isn't released as an AppImage ? It has a lot of advantages ?
3182018-09-19T19:32:14  <luke-jr> emilengler: such as?
3192018-09-19T19:33:38  <emilengler> No dependency problems on linux distributions
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3212018-09-19T19:33:47  <luke-jr> emilengler: already have that
3222018-09-19T19:34:02  <luke-jr> and AppImage doesn't actually solve the problems afaict
3232018-09-19T19:34:33  <emilengler> Why
3242018-09-19T19:34:48  <sipa> emilengler: our release binaries are statically linked, so there are no dependencies
3252018-09-19T19:34:56  <gmaxwell> emilengler: our binaries are static, so there are no dependencies.
3262018-09-19T19:34:59  <gmaxwell> (other than libc)
3272018-09-19T19:35:23  <emilengler> Oh ok
3282018-09-19T19:35:24  <luke-jr> I suspect they do break on musl systems, but don't think there's an easy fix for that
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3312018-09-19T19:36:21  <cfields> luke-jr: musl uses a different path for the loader, I would expect them to ship glibc at its expected path for compat.
3322018-09-19T19:37:07  <cfields> that's probably oversimplifying though
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3672018-09-19T22:22:17  <luke-jr> MarcoFalke: FWIW, Knots does include #11622 currently although I was planning to drop it for 0.17
3682018-09-19T22:22:20  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11622 | build: Add --disable-bip70 configure option by laanwj · Pull Request #11622 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHubAsset 1Asset 1
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