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22019-01-20T00:03:43 <hebasto> wow, it was 20 years ago!
32019-01-20T00:05:17 <midnightmagic> 20 years and 20 years of harsh, harsh.. harsh bugs ago.
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142019-01-20T00:36:56 <dongcarl> I've been talking to the guys behind guix, and it seems that they have a very system for enabling reproducible builds and have made a lot of progress towards bootstrapping from hex0: https://github.com/oriansj/stage0
152019-01-20T00:37:48 <dongcarl> hex0 is a ~500 byte self-hosting hex assembler
162019-01-20T00:38:47 <dongcarl> I will attempt to complete reproducible builds successfully with guix, and in the future help with hex0 integration
172019-01-20T00:39:13 <dongcarl> This means that auditing hex0 will give us confidence in not having trusting trust problems
182019-01-20T00:39:40 <dongcarl> they have a very good system*
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202019-01-20T01:07:09 <sipa> dongcarl: cool
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452019-01-20T03:05:24 <fanquake> dongcarl is that going to be up in a repo somewhere?
462019-01-20T03:07:04 <dongcarl> fanquake: For the part of completing reproducible builds of bitcoin with guix, I might write up some instrucitons to do so when I sort out the current sources of non-determinism (I think qt is the culprit right now)
472019-01-20T03:07:43 <dongcarl> For the hex0 bootstrap to guix, I haven't learned enough to know yet, but will probably end up writing scripts to do so, so yes, a repo will be appropriate for that
482019-01-20T03:08:07 <fanquake> dongcarl ok, cool
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522019-01-20T03:17:13 <booyah> dongcarl: maybe a goal in the end, should be to provide compiler not from C++, but from some IR language, like maybe from llvm
532019-01-20T03:17:41 <dongcarl> booyah: not 100% sure what you mean
542019-01-20T03:17:50 <booyah> and have compiler(s) compiler bitcoin into that IR, and have identical IR from them
552019-01-20T03:18:17 <booyah> just because C++ compiler might be too complex to ensure it has no bugs/backdoors
562019-01-20T03:18:30 <dongcarl> booyah: that's the point of hex0
572019-01-20T03:18:39 <dongcarl> You just audit a single piece of assembly
582019-01-20T03:18:51 <booyah> yes. I mean the next steps after that
592019-01-20T03:19:14 <dongcarl> Ah I see
602019-01-20T03:19:22 <booyah> I hope it will focus on writting IR -> asm
612019-01-20T03:19:33 <booyah> not just compiling entire gcc as a whole
622019-01-20T03:20:00 <dongcarl> Yeah... Lots to do...
632019-01-20T03:20:03 <dongcarl> One at a time haha
642019-01-20T03:20:14 <booyah> best if separate compilers eg gcc and lvm could produce identical (and ofc reproducible) IR, to crosscheck between two compilers against compiler bugs
652019-01-20T03:20:29 <sipa> booyah: that seems unreasonable
662019-01-20T03:20:30 <booyah> *clang
672019-01-20T03:21:48 <booyah> sipa: you find it more likely to verify entire g++ enough that everyone can be quite sure there is no bug in it's code generation?
682019-01-20T03:22:28 <booyah> *its
692019-01-20T03:23:28 <dongcarl> booyah: I think it is more likely that the plethora of gcc/g++ developers will be better at finding bugs than the very few developers who will work on IR -> ASM
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732019-01-20T03:26:30 <sipa> booyah: no, i think both are pretty much unachievable :)
742019-01-20T03:28:34 <booyah> ok so then from other side, holly grail for unhackable (by anyone) node would be... run e.g. 2 nodes (different open hardware, compiler etc) and cross-check ballances on both, and transact using 2-of-2 multisign?
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762019-01-20T03:30:28 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs closed pull request #15212: Remove errant paste from walletcreatefundedpsbt meant for replaceable (master...wcfpsbt_paste_err) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15212
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782019-01-20T03:31:06 <fanquake> instagibbs pretty sure that line is still in master
792019-01-20T03:32:11 <fanquake> Just all the RPCHelpMan changes have gone in
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872019-01-20T03:39:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #15213: Remove errant past from walletcreatefundedpsbt for nLocktime replaceable (master...wcfpsbt_paste_err) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15213
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892019-01-20T03:41:50 <instagibbs> fanquake, yeah git told me something I didn't verify, my bad
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1752019-01-20T13:21:48 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #15214: Improve tests by checking for expected return values (master...check-return-values-in-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15214
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1782019-01-20T13:24:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs closed pull request #15179: doc: Slight clarity boost to SEQUENCE_LOCKTIME_DISABLE_FLAG (master...rel_lock_lang) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15179
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2012019-01-20T14:26:34 <wumpus> different compilers producing identical IR? that sounds exceedingly unlikely, even undesirable, compiler projects compete for producing the best code
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2042019-01-20T14:29:19 <wumpus> I guess at least theoretically you could test the *parser* that way, parse trees ought to be similar enough to be comparable between compilers, but anything that's been through any kind of lowering or optimization pass, forget it
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2112019-01-20T14:41:06 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #15215: rpc: Use the return value of GetProxy(...) in GetNetworksInfo(). Mark GetProxy(...) with [[nodiscard]]. (master...getnetworkinfo-getproxy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15215
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2242019-01-20T15:12:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fe60ee96e915...978682b9dccf
2252019-01-20T15:12:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5b4283c Carl Dong: Add comment describing fDisconnect behavior
2262019-01-20T15:12:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 978682b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15194: Add comment describing fDisconnect behavior...
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2292019-01-20T15:13:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #15194: Add comment describing fDisconnect behavior (master...2019-01-add-fDisconnect-comment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15194
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2702019-01-20T18:53:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #15217: Wallet: Remove "-Wunused-variable" warning while build with "--disable-wallet" option (master...20190120-unused-variable-warning) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15217
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2752019-01-20T19:04:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] andrewtoth opened pull request #15218: validation: Flush state after initial sync (master...flush-after-ibd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15218
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2802019-01-20T19:12:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #15217: Wallet: Remove "-Wunused-variable" warning while build with "--disable-wallet" option (master...20190120-unused-variable-warning) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15217
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2902019-01-20T19:45:30 <xsasas> hello guys i am running a discord for coin creators and coin developers, we always need free blood and "real devs" so if you dont mind join,
2912019-01-20T19:45:31 <xsasas> https://discord.gg/KCYUmcn
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