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  5 2019-02-17T00:07:43  <fanquake> \o/
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 10 2019-02-17T00:22:26  <midnightmagic> sweet, so, some success (so far) with the gitian builds in a strictly manually-upgraded image, with a small change to the grab-manifest.sh file.
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 18 2019-02-17T00:50:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #15427: Add support for descriptors to utxoupdatepsbt (master...201902_utxoupdatepsbtdesc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15427
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 30 2019-02-17T01:40:47  <fanquake> wumpus think 15398, 15426, 15425 should all be mergeable
 31 2019-02-17T01:41:05  <wumpus> thank you, will check
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 33 2019-02-17T01:43:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f60d029a2a76...e9c190044df8
 34 2019-02-17T01:43:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d067e81 Chun Kuan Lee: msvc: add rapid check property tests
 35 2019-02-17T01:43:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e9c1900 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15398: msvc: add rapidcheck property tests
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 38 2019-02-17T01:43:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15398: msvc: add rapidcheck property tests (master...appveyor-rapid-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15398
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 41 2019-02-17T01:44:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9c190044df8...2d0337992d81
 42 2019-02-17T01:44:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a607c9a David A. Harding: [Doc] importmulti: add missing description of keypool option
 43 2019-02-17T01:44:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2d03379 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15426: [Doc] importmulti: add missing description of keypool option...
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 46 2019-02-17T01:45:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15426: [Doc] importmulti: add missing description of keypool option (master...2019-02-importmulti-keypool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15426
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 49 2019-02-17T01:47:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2d0337992d81...4064d048d61c
 50 2019-02-17T01:47:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d3661a3 David A. Harding: [Doc] add missing newline to witnessScript in listunspent help
 51 2019-02-17T01:47:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4064d04 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15425: [Doc] add missing newline to listunspent help for witnessScr...
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 54 2019-02-17T01:48:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15425: [Doc] add missing newline to listunspent help for witnessScript (master...2019-02-help-listunspent-missing-newline) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15425
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 58 2019-02-17T02:00:32  <wumpus> fanquake: yeh those were easy
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 60 2019-02-17T02:01:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #15428: GUI: Add Pairing tab with Tor onion address as copyable text and QR code (master...tor_gui_pairing) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15428
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 62 2019-02-17T02:05:35  <luke-jr> I guess the last step is to add tor to gitian binaries..
 63 2019-02-17T02:06:10  <luke-jr> unfortunately, Tor abandoned gitian, so that may prove controversial since it complicates verifying builds :x
 64 2019-02-17T02:06:54  <luke-jr> (especially with simply launching tor being apparently controversial for some reason)
 65 2019-02-17T02:10:19  <sipa> luke-jr: were you thinking of including tor in gitian builds?
 66 2019-02-17T02:10:27  <fanquake> wumpus I'll find something more difficult then :p
 67 2019-02-17T02:11:00  <sipa> i don't think we should be shipping our own tor binary....
 68 2019-02-17T02:12:27  <luke-jr> sipa: yes
 69 2019-02-17T02:12:41  <luke-jr> sipa: current thought is to use Tor's own deterministic binaries and just copy the files out of it
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 71 2019-02-17T02:15:32  <luke-jr> so it's not quite "our own"
 72 2019-02-17T02:16:05  <sipa> sure, but why not use the system's tor binary?
 73 2019-02-17T02:16:39  <luke-jr> Windows system doesn't have one
 74 2019-02-17T02:17:13  <gmaxwell> maybe we should ask the tor project what they think?
 75 2019-02-17T02:17:57  <gmaxwell> on one hand, it would be really good to radically increase the number of nodes running tor. OTOH, I am highly wary about shipping another binary with a huge attack surface.
 76 2019-02-17T02:18:29  <gmaxwell> like will we have to do emergency releases whenever tor has a vuln?  ... will we finally get rid of the openssl induced firedrills in bitcoin only to regain them via tor? etc..
 77 2019-02-17T02:19:07  <luke-jr> how often does Tor have vulns?
 78 2019-02-17T02:19:18  <gmaxwell> In terms of effort vs benefit, getting some form of nat forwarding working again would probably be a bigger win...
 79 2019-02-17T02:19:43  <luke-jr> NAT doesn't provide authentication
 80 2019-02-17T02:19:50  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: IIRC it exposes openssl implemented HTTPS to the world, so any openssl https vuln is a tor vuln too. (I could be mistaken, but thats my belief)
 81 2019-02-17T02:20:10  <luke-jr> O.o why would it do that? :/
 82 2019-02-17T02:20:12  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: no, but if you care about authentication the bitcoin crypto/auth proposals are better for that...
 83 2019-02-17T02:20:30  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: because TOR's p2p comms uses HTTPS in order to be more DPI immune.
 84 2019-02-17T02:20:36  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: well, I also care that some users literally *can't* get a port forwarded
 85 2019-02-17T02:20:43  <luke-jr> Tor is kind of a one-size-fits-all solution
 86 2019-02-17T02:21:15  <gmaxwell> yes, sure, some can't... but a vast number can but currently don't because we have no port forwarding by default anymore.
 87 2019-02-17T02:21:20  <luke-jr> (and lots of people have dynamic IPs)
 88 2019-02-17T02:21:45  <sipa> tor for additional connections should be a pretty no-brainer default win, but adding hidden services that aren't "chosen" sort of reduces sybil reisstance too
 89 2019-02-17T02:22:00  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I'm not looking at this from the perspective of more listening nodes; I'm looking at it as a way for users to more easily use mobile wallets with their own node
 90 2019-02-17T02:22:09  <gmaxwell> also presumably if you care about authenticated inbound enough to use onion, installing tor is not that much more to ask... you don't get an authenticated peering without doing something manually...
 91 2019-02-17T02:22:31  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: the last PR adds the QR code to the GUI
 92 2019-02-17T02:22:39  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: oh thats cool.
 93 2019-02-17T02:22:46  <gmaxwell> but what wallet is this actually useful for?
 94 2019-02-17T02:23:08  <luke-jr> hopefully the ones with trusted node support will add peering via QR code in response
 95 2019-02-17T02:23:26  <gmaxwell> IIRC almost all of them require some server...  like android wallet doesn't but afaik is mostly unusable and also doesn't let you manually specify an onion to -connect to.
 96 2019-02-17T02:24:00  <luke-jr> GreenBits and Hodlwallet I hear let you put in an IP currently
 97 2019-02-17T02:24:09  <luke-jr> of a normal node
 98 2019-02-17T02:24:13  <gmaxwell> never heard of hodlwallet.
 99 2019-02-17T02:24:17  <luke-jr> some Bread fork
100 2019-02-17T02:24:25  <luke-jr> (maybe Bread does too, I dunno)
101 2019-02-17T02:25:33  <sipa> that doesn't mean they support tor
102 2019-02-17T02:26:20  <luke-jr> AFAIK, there's some library to do Tor connections on Android at least
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104 2019-02-17T02:28:31  <luke-jr> (also, from what I've heard, Tor is basically needed to use Lightning already?)
105 2019-02-17T02:32:33  <luke-jr> (FWIW, #tor (OFTC) has a "no[t a problem]" response to my inquiry)
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107 2019-02-17T02:55:58  <sipa> gmaxwell: you should probably open an assumevalid uodate PR
108 2019-02-17T02:59:06  <echeveria> jesus christ don't bundle tor.
109 2019-02-17T03:00:58  <echeveria> luke-jr: any of these wallets which allow you to "use your own node" provide basically meaningless security or privacy gain. it's snake oil.
110 2019-02-17T03:03:10  <echeveria> bundling tor in any situation immensely increases attack surface, will get people flagged absolutely everywhere for the binaries it runs and the traffic it creates. given the ease of sybil attacking HS peer rumoring it's of a significant disadvantage to even use it at all.
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112 2019-02-17T03:07:16  <echeveria> if you want authenticated peers, great, there's drafts for peer authentication around.
113 2019-02-17T03:08:09  <echeveria> if you want obfuscation, you probably don't, but luckily TCP traffic is easily encapsulated.
114 2019-02-17T03:09:18  <echeveria> wanting more ability to open listening sockets is probably more debatable, but realistically the myriad of absolutely shitty peers on the network tells me that residential connections aren't holding up anyway.
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120 2019-02-17T03:42:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] gmaxwell opened pull request #15429: Update assumevalid, minimumchainwork, and getchaintxstats to height 563378 (master...201902-assumevalid) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15429
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122 2019-02-17T03:43:04  <gmaxwell> sipa: as requested, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15429 you might want to 0.18 tag.
123 2019-02-17T03:45:31  <echeveria> gmaxwell: isn't the block hash usually set back a bit from the tip?
124 2019-02-17T03:45:45  <echeveria> the one in the pull request is approximately now.
125 2019-02-17T03:48:59  <fanquake> by the time that PR gets merged, and then 0.18.0 released, it should be back from the tip. testnet is usually set back a larger amount.
126 2019-02-17T03:49:57  <echeveria> right, sure
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129 2019-02-17T04:03:11  <gmaxwell> echeveria: it will be by the time it gets merged.
130 2019-02-17T04:04:04  <gmaxwell> IIRC the first time I did it I set it further back, but then noticed how long it took to get merged, since then I've set it right at the tip after first looking to see if I could find a competing block
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167 2019-02-17T09:41:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift closed pull request #15215: rpc: Use the return value of GetProxy(...) in GetNetworksInfo(). Mark GetProxy(...) with [[nodiscard]]. (master...getnetworkinfo-getproxy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15215
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176 2019-02-17T10:37:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 opened pull request #15431: msvc: scripted-diff: Remove NDEBUG pre-define in project file (master...msvc-no-ndebug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15431
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217 2019-02-17T15:18:51  <wumpus> I don't think we should be shipping tor binaries at all, at least not with the default download, I'm fine with a "tor bitcoin core" bundle
218 2019-02-17T15:19:18  <wumpus> but tor is illegal in some countries where bitcoin is not so coupling them as the only option is a bad idea
219 2019-02-17T15:19:37  <wumpus> could get some people in trouble
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242 2019-02-17T17:50:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4064d048d61c...b72c787dc8f7
243 2019-02-17T17:50:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8a1f0a3 Chun Kuan Lee: scripted-diff: Remove NDEBUG pre-define
244 2019-02-17T17:50:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3ec56be Chun Kuan Lee: appveyor: Remove unused NDEBUG removal
245 2019-02-17T17:50:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b72c787 MarcoFalke: Merge #15431: msvc: scripted-diff: Remove NDEBUG pre-define in project fil...
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248 2019-02-17T17:50:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15431: msvc: scripted-diff: Remove NDEBUG pre-define in project file (master...msvc-no-ndebug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15431
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263 2019-02-17T19:09:32  <jonasschnelli> 2019-02-17T19:08:42Z [dummy23] Wallet completed loading in           38110ms
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265 2019-02-17T19:10:00  <jonasschnelli> a simple regtest wallet took 38110ms to load (happend on master)
266 2019-02-17T19:10:01  <jonasschnelli> 2019-02-17T19:08:03Z [dummy23] Keys: 2007 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 2007 w/ metadata, 2007 total. Unknown wallet records: 0
267 2019-02-17T19:10:29  <jonasschnelli> in case someone else hit this as well (I'll take a closer look soon)
268 2019-02-17T19:13:58  <harding> 1136ms here, plaintext, default wallet at node startup, master from earlier today
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301 2019-02-17T21:26:24  <achow101> jonasschnelli: harding: probably just the upgrade to the new key metadata?
302 2019-02-17T21:26:34  <echeveria> wumpus: many VPS and server hosts will instantly ban you if you run a process named ‘tor’.
303 2019-02-17T21:26:35  <achow101> is it consistently slow or just that one time
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305 2019-02-17T21:27:45  <achow101> although 38 secs is a really long time even with the upgrade
306 2019-02-17T21:28:38  <jonasschnelli> I will profile it.. thanks for the hint achow101
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309 2019-02-17T21:38:40  <luke-jr> wumpus: why would tor be illegal?
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311 2019-02-17T21:43:52  <luke-jr> as opposed to using tor to bypass blocking
312 2019-02-17T21:46:15  <midnightmagic> ownership of the tools to break into a house is almost as illegal as breaking into a house in some places.
313 2019-02-17T21:46:48  <luke-jr> midnightmagic: but computers aren't illegal
314 2019-02-17T21:47:19  <midnightmagic> algorithms are apparently illegal to export, even in the US when shipping to canada.
315 2019-02-17T21:47:51  <midnightmagic> It's not such a big leap to weird autocratic countries where they'll chop you up and send pieces of you to your family if you run a tor node or are caught with the software on your hdd
316 2019-02-17T21:49:45  <echeveria> luke-jr: look that's nice and all, but remember that you live in a country with laws about what sorts of encryption you're allowed to use and distribute. don't get lost in your own feelings and stick to what actually happens in the real world.
317 2019-02-17T21:49:49  <midnightmagic> I had to fill out some stupid form just the other day promising that my stuff won't end up in a military application. I mean how the hell am I supposed to know what happens to fingernail-sized chips after I sell them?
318 2019-02-17T21:50:11  * midnightmagic grumbles
319 2019-02-17T21:50:24  <midnightmagic> too much weird security theatre.
320 2019-02-17T21:51:16  <luke-jr> echeveria: according to Tor's FAQs, nobody has ever been arrested for using Tor
321 2019-02-17T21:51:34  <echeveria> luke-jr: did I say they had?
322 2019-02-17T21:52:24  <luke-jr> you implied it, considering the context of the discussion was whether tor is illegal or not
323 2019-02-17T21:53:00  <echeveria> I've never suggested or implied that anybody has been arrested for using Tor.
324 2019-02-17T21:53:28  <luke-jr> "what actually happens in the real world" in this context means arrests or not
325 2019-02-17T21:53:52  <echeveria> wtf no it doesn't.
326 2019-02-17T21:54:05  <echeveria> I was talking about export cryptography laws in the US.
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