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 102019-02-28T00:33:57  <wannabecoder> hello, i am new to coding in bitcoin. I literally can't figure anything out.
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 122019-02-28T00:35:46  <wannabecoder> I am given an assignment to create a transaction to deposit 0.01 btc to a 2 of 3 multisig script. I have the public keys of three addresses and private keys of three. I have installed Bitcoin Core and configured it to a testnet. question 1: where do i write the code?
 132019-02-28T00:36:03  <wannabecoder> question 2: is there a language in which the code is written?
 142019-02-28T00:36:31  <sipa> 1) you don't; you invoke RPCs to accomplish it
 152019-02-28T00:36:32  <sipa> 2) C++
 162019-02-28T00:36:46  <sipa> this probably belongs on #bitcoin
 172019-02-28T00:37:08  <wannabecoder> oh so the RPC's are written in the console in the bitcoin core app?
 182019-02-28T00:37:14  <wannabecoder> oh i am so sorry, thanks though
 192019-02-28T00:37:28  <sipa> in bitcoin-qt you can type RPC commands in the console, yes
 202019-02-28T00:37:39  <sipa> you can also use bitcoin-cli to send commands to a running bitcoind process
 212019-02-28T00:38:56  <wannabecoder> oh okay. thanks a ton.
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 252019-02-28T01:00:42  <promag_> sounds more "i am new to coding"
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 422019-02-28T02:33:06  <gwillen> this is a little awkward because of the pervasive use of UniValue throughout
 432019-02-28T02:33:33  <gwillen> does it make sense to allow UniValue to be the official interface of this feature, or do I need to like, devise a PSBTAnalysis struct to use instead
 442019-02-28T02:33:36  <gwillen> probably the latter?
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 742019-02-28T05:42:10  <gwillen> so I will aim that way and see where I get
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 872019-02-28T06:52:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] murrayn opened pull request #15500: Support for a bitcoind 'ready' file to indicate startup is complete. (master...ready_file) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15500
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 942019-02-28T07:13:35  <wumpus> e.g., in the c++ part use c++ structures, not mock-javascript, only use univalue for the front-end
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1092019-02-28T09:06:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #15428: [WIP] GUI: Add Pairing tab with Tor onion address as copyable text and QR code (master...tor_gui_pairing) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15428
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1122019-02-28T09:08:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] murrayn opened pull request #15501: Formatting changes to --help code for increased readability. (master...help_formatting) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15501
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1752019-02-28T14:39:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a0d4e79b4dbb...20268c6d767b
1762019-02-28T14:39:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa466cb MarcoFalke: doc: Update release process for snap package
1772019-02-28T14:39:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 20268c6 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15489: doc: Update release process for snap package
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1802019-02-28T14:40:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15489: doc: Update release process for snap package (master...1902-docSnap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15489
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1872019-02-28T14:53:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ajtowns opened pull request #15502: Speed up initial connection to p2p network (master...201902-trytoavoiddns) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15502
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1912019-02-28T14:58:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors closed pull request #15496: [rpc] deriveaddress: rename range 'begin' argument to 'start' (master...2019/02/begin_start) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15496
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2412019-02-28T19:00:15  <wumpus> #startmeeting
2422019-02-28T19:00:15  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 28 19:00:15 2019 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
2432019-02-28T19:00:15  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
2442019-02-28T19:00:22  <sipa> hi
2452019-02-28T19:00:23  <kanzure> hi
2462019-02-28T19:00:25  <achow101> hi
2472019-02-28T19:00:43  <provoostenator> hi
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2492019-02-28T19:01:12  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb
2502019-02-28T19:01:19  <jonasschnelli> hi
2512019-02-28T19:01:42  <wumpus> PSA: tomorrow the 0.18 split-off is planned
2522019-02-28T19:01:58  <kanzure> bitcoin-dev mailing list has been having issues and it's broken
2532019-02-28T19:02:13  <kanzure> i have escalated to warren who knows linux foundation people but apparently they don't believe in email anymore
2542019-02-28T19:02:27  <jonasschnelli> hmm...
2552019-02-28T19:02:35  <instagibbs> hi
2562019-02-28T19:02:57  <sipa> kanzure: no eta for a fix?
2572019-02-28T19:03:11  <wumpus> email has been dead for a while just not everyone has noticed yet
2582019-02-28T19:03:19  <kanzure> no eta for fix
2592019-02-28T19:03:29  <kanzure> i don't know anyone at linux foundation and i don't know who maintains this on their end
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2612019-02-28T19:03:41  <achow101> kanzure: any alternatives that we can move to?
2622019-02-28T19:03:50  <kanzure> nothing good....
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2642019-02-28T19:03:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 opened pull request #15503: msvc: Use a single file to specify the include path (master...msvc-include-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15503
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2662019-02-28T19:04:04  <wumpus> #topic bitcoin-dev mailing list
2672019-02-28T19:04:16  <kanzure> groups.io isn't that nice in my opinion; i don't think we would like it as a group.
2682019-02-28T19:04:17  <jonasschnelli> would self-hosted be an option or would that be to "centralized"?
2692019-02-28T19:04:22  <jonasschnelli> Could do it over an association
2702019-02-28T19:04:27  <jnewbery> hi
2712019-02-28T19:04:28  <kanzure> self-hosted would be fine but someone would have to maintain it and fix email delivery problems etc
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2732019-02-28T19:05:21  <jonasschnelli> I can look into possible options/strategy for a self-hostes (eventually semi) option... in case LF list falls appart
2742019-02-28T19:05:28  <jonasschnelli> *hosted
2752019-02-28T19:05:34  <kanzure> that would be helpful thank you
2762019-02-28T19:05:49  <gwillen> kanzure: if you can summarize quickly, what sort of issues does groups.io face?
2772019-02-28T19:06:00  <jonasschnelli> I have a bunch of RPi laying around and a 512kb connection... *duck*
2782019-02-28T19:06:06  <kanzure> gwillen: sort of forces you into a web browser environment
2792019-02-28T19:06:07  *** harding has quit IRC
2802019-02-28T19:06:26  <gwillen> hmm, really?
2812019-02-28T19:06:30  <jonasschnelli> I propose to keep the UX (mailman)
2822019-02-28T19:06:36  <wumpus> or maybe it's time to move to something else than a mailing list
2832019-02-28T19:06:52  <promag_> hi
2842019-02-28T19:07:07  <jonasschnelli> If there would just be a decentralied IM service
2852019-02-28T19:07:22  <sipa> it's a bit unfortunate that this discussion is held here, but the place it should be held (the ML...) isn't really an option
2862019-02-28T19:07:26  *** spinza has quit IRC
2872019-02-28T19:07:31  <gwillen> ensuring deliverability in a self-hosted setup is going to be a chalenge, the world of email has gotten increasingly hostile
2882019-02-28T19:07:41  <wumpus> gwillen: yea... it's dead alright
2892019-02-28T19:07:51  <wumpus> email is owned by google now
2902019-02-28T19:07:54  <jonasschnelli> Indeed... thanks to the big players
2912019-02-28T19:08:15  <gwillen> I host my own email but I smarthost through a gmail account outbound
2922019-02-28T19:08:16  <provoostenator> Well, mostly thanks to the spammers I think.
2932019-02-28T19:08:24  <wumpus> might as well just run a discourse forum and have all the usability advantages
2942019-02-28T19:08:26  <jonasschnelli> would bring it to github (different organization) be an option?
2952019-02-28T19:08:32  <gmaxwell> provoostenator: there is enough blame to go around. :)
2962019-02-28T19:08:33  *** harding has joined #bitcoin-core-dev
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2982019-02-28T19:09:11  <wumpus> I don't think blame is the point of discussion here anyway, how do we move on ?
2992019-02-28T19:09:12  <gmaxwell> not going to solve this in this meeting, I suspect!
3002019-02-28T19:09:31  <wumpus> true
3012019-02-28T19:09:33  <gmaxwell> I also would like it to stay mailman.
3022019-02-28T19:09:38  <gmaxwell> (or similar)
3032019-02-28T19:09:55  <provoostenator> A publicly readable forum seems like a reasonable solution, but chat seems terrible. Both because it's distraction and because I want to be able to respond to stuff said months ago, so it needs threads.
3042019-02-28T19:09:56  <gmaxwell> I guess someone needs to try to find out if its coming back or if we really do need to find an alternative.
3052019-02-28T19:10:06  <kanzure> we can try groups.io some more, we have a test group and we can just add a few more people to the test and see what people think
3062019-02-28T19:10:12  <achow101> go back to bitcointalk *ducks*
3072019-02-28T19:10:21  <gmaxwell> achow101: damn I was just about to make that comment!
3082019-02-28T19:10:31  <kanzure> #action message kanzure if you want to be added to the groups.io test group
3092019-02-28T19:10:33  <gwillen> kanzure: can you add me to the test group
3102019-02-28T19:10:51  <gmaxwell> I'm really not excited about groups.io.
3112019-02-28T19:11:07  <kanzure> email should get everyone excited!
3122019-02-28T19:11:30  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: supposedly mailman is unmaintained and broken-ish, according to LF?
3132019-02-28T19:12:38  <jonasschnelli> self hosted mailman seems superior to groups.io
3142019-02-28T19:12:38  <gwillen> self-hosted mailman requires someone to become an email server administrator
3152019-02-28T19:12:38  <gwillen> that is an _extremely_ unfun volunteer job
3162019-02-28T19:12:38  <jonasschnelli> Yes.
3172019-02-28T19:12:38  <wumpus> self-hosted by whom ? who's going to babysit this
3182019-02-28T19:12:38  <kanzure> can we pay someone to do work?
3192019-02-28T19:12:38  <wumpus> heh.
3202019-02-28T19:12:38  <jonasschnelli> But I self-host my email since a couple of years and it's possibble
3212019-02-28T19:12:38  <luke-jr> I already do maintain my own email server, but from the sound of it, ML makes it much harder
3222019-02-28T19:12:53  <gmaxwell> biggest problem with hosting email these days is that everyone randomly blocks you.
3232019-02-28T19:12:55  <gwillen> jonasschnelli: do you do your own outbound mail? No deliverability problems to gmail users, no dnsbl issues?
3242019-02-28T19:13:13  <jonasschnelli> gwillen: I do
3252019-02-28T19:13:18  <jonasschnelli> No problems
3262019-02-28T19:13:19  <gwillen> hm, very good
3272019-02-28T19:13:23  <wumpus> right-personal email is easier, though still not trivial; less traffic, and the only person to complain when messages don't arrive is yourself
3282019-02-28T19:13:31  <gwillen> I'm glad it's still possible
3292019-02-28T19:14:07  <jonasschnelli> But with ML the spamlist (dnsbl, etc.) become more of a problem..
3302019-02-28T19:14:09  <wumpus> I used to run my own email server, but gave up when gmail blackholed my last vps host
3312019-02-28T19:14:15  <jonasschnelli> But better to manage that than no ML at all
3322019-02-28T19:14:41  <jonasschnelli> 3-4 IPv4 addresses to switch over to makes it more robust...
3332019-02-28T19:15:01  <kanzure> we could just put text files in a git repository
3342019-02-28T19:15:10  <wumpus> if you're going through that trouble might as well pay some service to do it
3352019-02-28T19:15:14  *** promag_ has quit IRC
3362019-02-28T19:15:24  <gmaxwell> I also don't think we mind too much if the ML suffers a little from users own servers blacklisting it. There are public archives.
3372019-02-28T19:15:25  <jonasschnelli> There are also managed mailman hosting
3382019-02-28T19:15:41  <provoostenator> I think a paid professional service is fine, as long as the archives are public and we have a way of detecting censorship.
3392019-02-28T19:15:41  <kanzure> someone does managed mailman hosting services?
3402019-02-28T19:15:53  <gmaxwell> Can we please just get a definitive from LF before we sink tons of effort into this?
3412019-02-28T19:16:08  <kanzure> linux foundation has consistently said they are killing this
3422019-02-28T19:16:11  <kanzure> according to warren
3432019-02-28T19:16:18  <jonasschnelli> Agree with gmaxwell... (before continue this discussion)
3442019-02-28T19:16:26  <gmaxwell> Can we please not filter everything through warren?
3452019-02-28T19:16:35  <wumpus> well LF's moderation has been offline for quite some time now, I don't think it's coming back tbh, especially as they've already warned months before that this was going to end
3462019-02-28T19:16:50  <kanzure> i'd be happy to get in contact with someone at linux foundation myself if i knew who to pester
3472019-02-28T19:16:50  <gmaxwell> How are the linux kernel lists and such running?
3482019-02-28T19:17:08  <kanzure> let's ask rusty, he's the resident kernel hacker
3492019-02-28T19:17:11  <jonasschnelli> If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman@lists.linuxfoundation.org.
3502019-02-28T19:17:17  <jonasschnelli> (from https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo)
3512019-02-28T19:17:29  <kanzure> admindb is returning "503 first byte timeout"
3522019-02-28T19:18:25  <wumpus> can't we pretend that bitcoind is a gpu driver and get a freedesktop list ...
3532019-02-28T19:18:32  <MarcoFalke> I think we should have moved off the list when it was still working. Now there is no way to notify subscribers that it will move to a different place
3542019-02-28T19:18:34  <sipa> wumpus: a few years too late :p
3552019-02-28T19:18:43  <wumpus> sipa: hehe
3562019-02-28T19:19:09  <sipa> MarcoFalke: but who would have expectes it to break like this, with solution in sight, with no warning?
3572019-02-28T19:19:27  <MarcoFalke> They warned us months ago, multiple times. No?
3582019-02-28T19:19:40  <wumpus> they warned
3592019-02-28T19:19:46  <kanzure> they warned
3602019-02-28T19:19:49  <provoostenator> That's what kazure claims warren says.
3612019-02-28T19:20:06  <gmaxwell> I only ever heard warren saying stuff and it didn't sound credible.
3622019-02-28T19:20:07  *** AaronvanW has joined #bitcoin-core-dev
3632019-02-28T19:20:07  <kanzure> that's what i claim provoostenator says i claim warren claims
3642019-02-28T19:20:25  <gmaxwell> (e.g. it was mixed up in mania about jeff garzik being on their board)
3652019-02-28T19:20:29  <kanzure> i have emailed mailman@lists.linuxfoundation.org as of a few moments ago
3662019-02-28T19:20:30  *** spinza has joined #bitcoin-core-dev
3672019-02-28T19:21:37  <MarcoFalke> What was the reason against a google group?
3682019-02-28T19:21:42  <MarcoFalke> At least it would be reliable
3692019-02-28T19:21:56  <wumpus> oh noo
3702019-02-28T19:21:57  <jonasschnelli> help killing email further?
3712019-02-28T19:22:04  <gmaxwell> I won't use it.
3722019-02-28T19:22:04  <kanzure> i don't think they intend to support google groups forever
3732019-02-28T19:22:08  <provoostenator> Google tends to shut down useful services with crazy short notice.
3742019-02-28T19:22:22  <wumpus> I'd so prefer a self-hosted discourse forum to that
3752019-02-28T19:22:41  <kanzure> anyway, we're still testing groups.io so others should feel free to email warrentest@groups.io
3762019-02-28T19:22:42  <wumpus> at least it doesn't require a google account
3772019-02-28T19:22:43  <jonasschnelli> you mean bitcointalk.org? :/
3782019-02-28T19:22:50  <luke-jr> btw, re linux kernel ML - it's not hosted by LF it looks like
3792019-02-28T19:22:54  <kanzure> any help in reaching linux foundation would be appreciated by me
3802019-02-28T19:22:58  <sipa> also don't forget that it needs to be acceptable to a lot of pelple who aren't here
3812019-02-28T19:23:03  <kanzure> and someone should ask rusty about lkml
3822019-02-28T19:23:09  <luke-jr> http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
3832019-02-28T19:23:16  <wumpus> to be honest
3842019-02-28T19:23:19  <BlueMatt> yea, can we get something on vger.kernel.org?
3852019-02-28T19:23:19  <kanzure> majordomo, isn't that older than me?
3862019-02-28T19:23:22  <wumpus> this isn't a *bitcoin core* topic at all
3872019-02-28T19:23:24  <BlueMatt> that seems to be where everything else is
3882019-02-28T19:23:30  <sipa> wumpus: that's my point
3892019-02-28T19:23:36  <wumpus> this is about bitcoin protocol discussion
3902019-02-28T19:23:45  <BlueMatt> ok, -> #bitcoin-dev
3912019-02-28T19:23:55  <gmaxwell> oh god useless zombie channel
3922019-02-28T19:24:00  <wumpus> and it shoudl be organized separately
3932019-02-28T19:24:01  <gmaxwell> the intetnet is busted. so sad.
3942019-02-28T19:24:04  <provoostenator> We could revive Usenet.
3952019-02-28T19:24:04  <kanzure> okay thanks for tolerating the topic for a few minutes; i'll keep you updated.
3962019-02-28T19:24:15  <gmaxwell> Lets all just email kanzure from now on and he can forward to everyone? :P
3972019-02-28T19:24:22  <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: ack
3982019-02-28T19:24:30  <kanzure> i sort of already do that so... yes.
3992019-02-28T19:24:38  *** AaronvanW has quit IRC
4002019-02-28T19:24:38  <jonasschnelli> heh.. the real "mailman"
4012019-02-28T19:24:42  <BlueMatt> please send mail via github pr to bitcoin.ninja
4022019-02-28T19:25:01  <wumpus> do we have anything else to discuss?
4032019-02-28T19:25:13  <kanzure> how about actual bitcoin core things?
4042019-02-28T19:25:28  <gmaxwell> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2305  kanzure: a transistional superintelligence.
4052019-02-28T19:25:40  <sipa> 0.18 split off tomorrow... any 0.18 things left to discuss?
4062019-02-28T19:26:13  <instagibbs> "yay"
4072019-02-28T19:26:22  <gmaxwell> there are 0.18 tagged things that need review.
4082019-02-28T19:26:35  <wumpus> gmaxwell: heh
4092019-02-28T19:26:49  <MarcoFalke> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/35
4102019-02-28T19:27:01  <provoostenator> In particular #15486 is very new.
4112019-02-28T19:27:01  <sipa> they can go in after fork off of coirse
4122019-02-28T19:27:03  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15486 | [net] Allow feeler connections to go to the same netgroup as existing outbound peers by sdaftuar · Pull Request #15486 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4132019-02-28T19:27:09  <wumpus> #15497 #15486 #15402
4142019-02-28T19:27:10  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15497 | Consistent range arguments in scantxoutset/importmulti/deriveaddresses by sipa · Pull Request #15497 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4152019-02-28T19:27:11  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15486 | [net] Allow feeler connections to go to the same netgroup as existing outbound peers by sdaftuar · Pull Request #15486 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4162019-02-28T19:27:14  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15402 | Granular invalidateblock and RewindBlockIndex by sipa · Pull Request #15402 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4172019-02-28T19:27:29  <gmaxwell> Otherwise, I don't think there is anything to say?
4182019-02-28T19:28:33  <wumpus> sure, things can be backported after the 0.18 fork, but that's intended for last-minute bugfixes and such we don't know about yet
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4202019-02-28T19:28:59  <wumpus> the idea is that everything tagged 0.18 is merged before the fork
4212019-02-28T19:29:07  <sipa> aight
4222019-02-28T19:29:24  <wumpus> so, please help review ^^
4232019-02-28T19:30:11  <wumpus> I think the hardest to review is the P2P one by sdaftuar
4242019-02-28T19:30:48  <wumpus> cfields_ if you're there please take a look at it ^^
4252019-02-28T19:31:38  <provoostenator> sdaftuar: for easier review the PR description, or comment, could use a crash course in what feeler connections are and such.
4262019-02-28T19:32:14  <wumpus> not that sipa's are trivial
4272019-02-28T19:32:14  <provoostenator> I think I vaguely understand what's going on based on the back and forth discussion though.
4282019-02-28T19:32:30  *** pinheadmz has joined #bitcoin-core-dev
4292019-02-28T19:32:57  <sipa> provoostenator: #8282
4302019-02-28T19:33:01  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8282 | net: Feeler connections to increase online addrs in the tried table. by EthanHeilman · Pull Request #8282 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4312019-02-28T19:33:02  <gmaxwell> provoostenator: best source is PR 8282.
4322019-02-28T19:33:26  <provoostenator> Thanks, will give that a read and then review tommorrow.
4332019-02-28T19:33:28  <gmaxwell> Also, in particuarly, the stuff being changed here is try before evict which IIRC was a different PR.
4342019-02-28T19:33:37  <sdaftuar>  #9037
4352019-02-28T19:33:41  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9037 | net: Add test-before-evict discipline to addrman by EthanHeilman · Pull Request #9037 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4362019-02-28T19:33:53  <gmaxwell> Thanks.
4372019-02-28T19:34:00  <sipa> #6355 and 9037
4382019-02-28T19:34:02  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6355 | Added test-before-evict discipline in Addrman, feeler connections. by EthanHeilman · Pull Request #6355 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4392019-02-28T19:35:26  <wumpus> yes if you have any questions about it, just ask
4402019-02-28T19:35:32  <wumpus> any other topics?
4412019-02-28T19:36:00  <jnewbery> is there a wallet meeting tomorrow? We postponed last week's
4422019-02-28T19:36:23  <sipa> do we have meshcollider?
4432019-02-28T19:36:25  <wumpus> good question; meshcollider, jonasschnelli ?
4442019-02-28T19:36:45  <achow101> I thought we were just skipping last week's
4452019-02-28T19:36:45  <jnewbery> It's it up for vote, I vote yes please
4462019-02-28T19:36:50  <jonasschnelli> I think I never participated on one of those meetings (shame on me)
4472019-02-28T19:37:04  <wumpus> if you have pressing wallet topics to discuss we should have a wallet meeting
4482019-02-28T19:37:21  <gmaxwell> [announcement] In the last 8 days I've merged 17 PRs in libsecp256k1 and closed about twice as many issues. So if anyone was holding back on offering improvements because there wasn't much activity there, thats no longer the case. (Also, most of what remains isn't getting merged quickly, so if you were expecting otherwise please feel free to ping on that repo)
4492019-02-28T19:38:02  <wumpus> gmaxwell: good to know, I still intend to make a risc-v asm implementation of some things
4502019-02-28T19:38:53  <gmaxwell> \O/
4512019-02-28T19:38:58  <sipa> oh nice
4522019-02-28T19:39:23  <gmaxwell> I should get a risc-v VM going then. :)
4532019-02-28T19:39:24  <provoostenator> Nothing urgent wallet wise from my end. I started a very, very rough draft of a descriptor based wallet in #15487. I'll ping people when that's a bit further along.
4542019-02-28T19:39:25  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15487 | [WIP] descriptor based wallet by Sjors · Pull Request #15487 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4552019-02-28T19:39:30  <wumpus> yes :)
4562019-02-28T19:40:33  <jonasschnelli> Nice! provoostenator... I'll take a closer look soon
4572019-02-28T19:40:50  <provoostenator> If someone wants to whip up a Descriptor instance method that can scan the blockchain for relevant transactions that would help.
4582019-02-28T19:41:07  <wumpus> provoostenator: that looks interesting
4592019-02-28T19:41:20  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: there's apparently $8 RISC-V hardware now (not much memory, but maybe irrelevant for just libsecp256k1)
4602019-02-28T19:41:38  <sipa> provoostenator: that sounds like the wrong approach; descriptors shouldn't need to know about the blockchain
4612019-02-28T19:41:48  <gmaxwell> easier to debug on a VM than a microcontroller. :P
4622019-02-28T19:41:59  <instagibbs> provoostenator, we're already using descriptor-based detection when scanning blocks I thought
4632019-02-28T19:42:03  <sipa> and it shouldn't ne needed either, as you can compute the sPKs and scan for those
4642019-02-28T19:42:09  <instagibbs> for detecting used keys at least
4652019-02-28T19:42:10  <sipa> instagibbs: nope
4662019-02-28T19:42:14  <sipa> yes
4672019-02-28T19:42:18  <sipa> but not for ismine
4682019-02-28T19:42:22  <provoostenator> sipa: somethign should do such scanning, I don't care what.
4692019-02-28T19:42:31  <instagibbs> right, but I'm saying I'm not sure what the big leap is :)
4702019-02-28T19:42:38  <instagibbs> details aside
4712019-02-28T19:43:53  <wumpus> luke-jr: yea for just that the amount of memory doesn't matter, I was eventually able to test most of secp256k1 on the HiFive board with 16kB of memory (+ lots of read-only flash)
4722019-02-28T19:44:30  <wumpus> but yes VM is definitely easier for debugging than JTAG+openocd
4732019-02-28T19:46:26  <wumpus> no more topics I guess?
4742019-02-28T19:46:57  <instagibbs> provoostenator, I'll take a look at your WIP for tomorrow if I get the time
4752019-02-28T19:46:58  <sipa> provoostenator: the hardest part is getting an equivalent of the keypool, i think - we still need lookahead to find gaps, but it needs to be something consisting of sPKs (and related indexes into descriptors) rather than just keys
4762019-02-28T19:47:39  <instagibbs> "(and related indexes into descriptors)" hm?
4772019-02-28T19:47:57  <sipa> so that we can remember how far the expand them
4782019-02-28T19:48:25  <instagibbs> ah, numbers, not like txindex indexes
4792019-02-28T19:48:39  <sipa> ah yes
4802019-02-28T19:49:21  <provoostenator> In my WIP I added a WalletDescriptor class in walletdb.h, which I image could track the last seen and/or last resevered (with getnewaddress) index.
4812019-02-28T19:49:22  <instagibbs> somehow I think "indices" disambiguates it even though they're technically identical
4822019-02-28T19:49:28  <provoostenator> Maybe it doesn't need a new class.
4832019-02-28T19:50:06  <sipa> provoostenator: it needs a lot more
4842019-02-28T19:50:21  <sipa> i have a gist that describes the necessary things i think
4852019-02-28T19:50:27  <provoostenator> I added a lot a restrictions to the initial attempt that makes things a bit easier.
4862019-02-28T19:50:37  <provoostenator> No private keys for example :-)
4872019-02-28T19:50:52  <provoostenator> But of course we still need to architect it in a way that's not a dead end.
4882019-02-28T19:51:30  <sipa> yeah
4892019-02-28T19:52:04  <provoostenator> Another shortcut I took was serializing the descriptor as a string, which is also not a good long term solution I think.
4902019-02-28T19:52:49  <provoostenator> I found myself needing unique identifiers...
4912019-02-28T19:52:57  <provoostenator> (maybe your gist already covers all that)
4922019-02-28T19:55:07  <jonasschnelli> I guess we can close the meeting?
4932019-02-28T19:55:29  <sipa> yeah
4942019-02-28T19:55:31  <wumpus> #endmeeting
4952019-02-28T19:55:31  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Feb 28 19:55:31 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
4962019-02-28T19:55:31  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-02-28-19.00.html
4972019-02-28T19:55:31  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-02-28-19.00.txt
4982019-02-28T19:55:31  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-02-28-19.00.log.html
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5002019-02-28T19:56:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #15504: test: Remove useless test_bitcoin_main.cpp (master...1903-testMain) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15504
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5022019-02-28T19:56:15  <sipa> provoostenator: i think there are a few preparation steps i'd like to focus on first
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5052019-02-28T19:56:52  <sipa> to make sure the ismine/keypool logic can be kept separate for descriptor records
5062019-02-28T19:57:11  <provoostenator> I always like to build a rough working prototype to figure out what's missing and then work on preparation steps. :-)
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5082019-02-28T19:57:38  <sipa> fair
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5102019-02-28T20:04:11  <wumpus> provoostenator: that's a good approach I think
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5152019-02-28T20:12:14  <sipa> provoostenator: i was referring to this: https://gist.github.com/sipa/125cfa1615946d0c3f3eec2ad7f250a2
5162019-02-28T20:12:24  <sipa> it's pre descriptors though
5172019-02-28T20:13:36  <provoostenator> Ah yes, the famous gist. I'll give that another read, since I've dug a lot deeper into the rabbit hole since the last time I read it.
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5192019-02-28T20:15:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/20268c6d767b...29c24b05fb71
5202019-02-28T20:15:04  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4a5e52c Chun Kuan Lee: msvc: Use a single file to specify the include path
5212019-02-28T20:15:04  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 29c24b0 MarcoFalke: Merge #15503: msvc: Use a single file to specify the include path
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5242019-02-28T20:15:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15503: msvc: Use a single file to specify the include path (master...msvc-include-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15503
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5272019-02-28T20:20:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #15505: [p2p] Request NOTFOUND transactions immediately from other outbound peers, when possible (master...2019-02-notfound-requests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15505
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5302019-02-28T20:31:11  <gwillen> provoostenator: for what it's worth, none of your PGP-signed messages that came through to me at all, have been mangled (on the groups.io test)
5312019-02-28T20:31:35  <gwillen> I got two clearsigned with inline signatures, both look fine
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5332019-02-28T20:35:05  <sipa> sdaftuar: interesting... are notfound messages for things we requested common?
5342019-02-28T20:35:33  <sdaftuar> sipa: sort of.  they are common now for parents of orphan transactions, since we don't give those out yet ourselves
5352019-02-28T20:35:53  <sdaftuar> of course this will have no benefit in those cases, typically
5362019-02-28T20:36:10  <sdaftuar> but this paves the way for a future in which we could be more willing to drop things out of mapRelay and not serve them to peers
5372019-02-28T20:36:36  <sdaftuar> because we can reasonably believe our peers can just request them from someone else (right now this a small DoS to our peers if we give a NOTFOUND)
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5392019-02-28T20:37:00  <sdaftuar> and then we can get rid of mapRelay altogether, i think -- which i'd like to do because our memory bounds on it are not very tight
5402019-02-28T20:37:32  <sdaftuar> (and then i can fix the problem of us not returning parents of orphan transactions when a peer requests them)
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5422019-02-28T20:44:23  <sipa> hmm, interesting
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5442019-02-28T20:48:24  <provoostenator> gwillen: odd, Apple Mail with GPG Suite complains the signature is invalid, but perhaps other mail clients are more tolerant?
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5592019-02-28T21:34:49  <gwillen> provoostenator: I just copied and pasted everything inside the ----- lines into gpg2
5602019-02-28T21:35:15  <gwillen> but I saw that you said something about the footer cutting into the signature, and I don't see anything like that on my end (this is on the message that starts with "maybe this works")
5612019-02-28T21:35:25  <gwillen> everything looks intact
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5692019-02-28T22:29:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift closed pull request #15214: tests: Check for expected return values when calling functions returning a success code (master...check-return-values-in-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15214
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5942019-02-28T23:31:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 opened pull request #15506: appveyor: fix cache issue and reduce dependencies build time (master...appveyor-release-only) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15506
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5982019-02-28T23:37:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #15507: test: Bump timeout on tests that timeout on windows (master...1903-testTimeoutWindows) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15507
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