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  7 2019-03-05T00:24:42  <fanquake> Need someone to tiebreak the non-determinism in the aarch64 and riscv64 rc1 gitian builds
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  9 2019-03-05T00:29:58  <achow101> oh noes non-determinism :(
 10 2019-03-05T00:31:27  <gmaxwell> fanquake: have you looked to see what is different in the build products?
 11 2019-03-05T00:31:41  * sipa feels like tiebreaking will not help nondeterminism
 12 2019-03-05T00:32:03  <fanquake> gmaxwell not yet, just going to wait for my own builds to finish
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 19 2019-03-05T01:03:04  <achow101> my gitian build results are available at https://github.com/achow101/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.18.0rc1 if you need them
 20 2019-03-05T01:08:38  <fanquake> achow101 Looks like my builds match with yours
 21 2019-03-05T01:09:00  <fanquake> Maybe it's a reoccurrence of something like https://github.com/fanquake/core-review/blob/master/determinism.md#ld64-threading heh
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 24 2019-03-05T01:14:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] gwillen opened pull request #15534: In lint-format-strings, open files sequentially (fix for OS X failure) (master...feature-fix-lint-osx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15534
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 34 2019-03-05T02:20:26  <zhangzf> hello, Who have testnet bitcoin? Can you give me some, I want to test code. My address is mgSRBDvv9h2bRgZHGWLo4xQU9PLvssK6Yi
 35 2019-03-05T02:28:41  <aj> zhangzf: google "testnet faucet"
 36 2019-03-05T02:31:39  <zhangzf> aj: Thank you, I will try it.
 37 2019-03-05T02:33:42  <zhangzf> aj: "bitcoinfaucet.uo1.net is currently unable to handle this request"
 38 2019-03-05T02:33:56  <zhangzf> aj: The web page is right?
 39 2019-03-05T02:40:35  <achow101> zhangzf: there's lots of different testnet faucets. if one is down, try another
 40 2019-03-05T02:43:43  <zhangzf> achow101: Ok. I see I have recevied 3 BTC. I guess someone sended to me.
 41 2019-03-05T02:47:22  <gwillen> sipa: do you have thoughts on how to handle the dependency issue I have run into
 42 2019-03-05T02:47:35  <gwillen> I am trying moving tx_verify into common
 43 2019-03-05T02:48:01  <gwillen> but it's going to be awhile before I find out whether it worked, because building in a linux VM is very slow
 44 2019-03-05T02:48:10  <gwillen> I don't really understand why it doesn't break under clang/OS X
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 50 2019-03-05T02:59:20  <sipa> gwillen: i think osx linker probably discards unused function symbols
 51 2019-03-05T02:59:43  <sipa> so if you're not using any of the functions that have unresolved dependencies, it doesn't error
 52 2019-03-05T03:00:02  <sipa> which is pretty fragile, but shows that there must exist a solution :)
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 54 2019-03-05T03:27:28  <gwillen> ohhhh, heh, that makes sense
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104 2019-03-05T09:18:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Deano1167 opened pull request #15535: Dander (0.14...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15535
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108 2019-03-05T09:19:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #15535: Dander (0.14...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15535
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116 2019-03-05T09:43:46  <rafalcpp> regarding the attacks on RPC (replay message, or replace body of message) is there a plan how to solve it?
117 2019-03-05T09:46:18  <luke-jr> rafalcpp: just don't let anyone get your password..
118 2019-03-05T09:46:26  <luke-jr> or access your RPC
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146 2019-03-05T11:52:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/14023c966c51...4b57b7f0f0c3
147 2019-03-05T11:52:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fad76e7 MarcoFalke: doc: Remove pr release notes file in wrong dir
148 2019-03-05T11:52:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4b57b7f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15527: doc: Remove pr release notes file in wrong dir
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151 2019-03-05T11:52:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 commit to 0.18: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6a178e52618d...71ac4ebe4893
152 2019-03-05T11:52:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.18 71ac4eb MarcoFalke: doc: Remove pr release notes file in wrong dir
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155 2019-03-05T11:53:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15527: doc: Remove pr release notes file in wrong dir (master...1903-docRelPr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15527
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157 2019-03-05T11:54:43  <jonasschnelli> hmmm.... looks like the linux build is not deterministic: https://bitcointools.jonasschnelli.ch/data/builds/1007/bitcoin-linux-0.18-build.assert
158 2019-03-05T11:54:44  <jonasschnelli> diverges from wumpus
159 2019-03-05T11:54:47  <jonasschnelli> +signatures
160 2019-03-05T11:55:22  <jonasschnelli> Only arm64 and riscv though
161 2019-03-05T11:55:39  <wumpus> achow101's was divergent too, maybe it matches his ?
162 2019-03-05T11:56:29  <jonasschnelli> Oh. We merged divergent signaturs... :/
163 2019-03-05T11:56:47  <jonasschnelli> fanquakes is not identical to yours wumpus but to mine
164 2019-03-05T11:57:15  <fanquake> Yea, mine match achows
165 2019-03-05T11:57:16  <wumpus> gitian sigs should always be merged, *especially* if they don't match, it's evidence
166 2019-03-05T11:57:39  <jonasschnelli> fair point
167 2019-03-05T11:57:48  <wumpus> okay so only mine are different? this is interesting
168 2019-03-05T11:58:08  <fanquake> I thought maybe this bug was back.. https://github.com/fanquake/core-review/blob/master/determinism.md#ld64-threading
169 2019-03-05T11:59:23  <wumpus> if it's that then if I build a few more times I should get different outputs?
170 2019-03-05T11:59:36  <wumpus> trying
171 2019-03-05T12:00:46  <fanquake> it'd be interesting if we'd somehow reintroduced that. More interesting given it's constrained to riscv and aarch64
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173 2019-03-05T12:01:37  <wumpus> I'm going to try if it's a race condition by trying to build a few times, if not I'd like to compare executables
174 2019-03-05T12:02:39  <fanquake> wumpus achow's build results are up here: https://github.com/achow101/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.18.0rc1. I can upload mine as well if needed
175 2019-03-05T12:03:08  <wumpus> thanks! if they're the same it's not necessary, if you get *yet another* output, well :)
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178 2019-03-05T12:12:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4b57b7f0f0c3...3800ca606896
179 2019-03-05T12:12:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3eac2d5 Alistair Mann: docs: add "sections" info to example bitcoin.conf
180 2019-03-05T12:12:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3800ca6 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15513: docs: add "sections" info to example bitcoin.conf
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183 2019-03-05T12:13:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15513: docs: add "sections" info to example bitcoin.conf (master...rebase-fixup-15387) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15513
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185 2019-03-05T12:14:10  * wumpus confused by #15521, I think what ever shouldbe the solution to this, it's not doing a re-checkout of .
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196 2019-03-05T12:50:04  <rafalcpp> is there any reason for RPC to use http Basic Auth header, instead of adding the password as request parameter (so, in body)?
197 2019-03-05T12:52:41  <luke-jr> rafalcpp: the latter would be ugly
198 2019-03-05T12:55:09  <jonasschnelli> rafalcpp: both are kinda ugly...
199 2019-03-05T12:55:55  <jonasschnelli> But the authentication does not protect from attackers on system level and exposing RPC to the internet is not recommended
200 2019-03-05T12:56:06  <rafalcpp> the idea would be {"method":"getblockchaininfo","params":[],"id":1,"hmac-tag":"34d3f35460166cc84cc1b51a61abe9c5a9994558b777125969aed8d9d0c29588","hmac-nonce":"eaaa1578252fc8de8fe115e5802e999a67353bce", "hmac-clock":"1551790542"}
201 2019-03-05T12:56:27  <luke-jr> rafalcpp: that violates the JSON-RPC protocol I'm pretty sure..
202 2019-03-05T12:56:52  <jonasschnelli> I once proposed an ecc based authentication with no replay protection: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6604
203 2019-03-05T12:57:55  <jonasschnelli> rafalcpp: if you need better authentication, consider adding a reverse proxy (Apache / Nginx), add TLS and cert based user authentication (on top of Cores HTTP BASIC AUTH)
204 2019-03-05T12:58:01  <rafalcpp> jonasschnelli: yeah Im proposing the reverse, no DH/pubkey but full replay protection.  of course, we could combine both methods and then pin to pubkey in server and in client
205 2019-03-05T12:58:20  <jonasschnelli> rafalcpp: I think there is no reason to implement that in core...
206 2019-03-05T12:58:28  <jonasschnelli> we don't want that people expose it to the internet,...
207 2019-03-05T12:58:34  <rafalcpp> I will include motivation in BIP
208 2019-03-05T12:58:42  <jonasschnelli> we would suddenly become maintainer of a http server and it's pitfalls
209 2019-03-05T12:58:45  <rafalcpp> (it is about localhost, not about internet)
210 2019-03-05T12:58:52  <jonasschnelli> Just use existing authentication layer and reverse proxy to it
211 2019-03-05T12:58:54  <luke-jr> rafalcpp: this is not a BIPable topic
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213 2019-03-05T13:01:00  <jonasschnelli> weak agree with luke-jr. The RPC layer is very core specific
214 2019-03-05T13:01:16  <rafalcpp> * in the RFC :)
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219 2019-03-05T13:26:03  <wumpus> tried rebuilding; got the same hash for risc-v and aarch64, now trying with wiped cache
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230 2019-03-05T14:14:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3800ca606896...a74d588f2154
231 2019-03-05T14:14:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa6bf21 MarcoFalke: scripted-diff: test: Use py3.5 bytes::hex() method
232 2019-03-05T14:14:46  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab5a1e MarcoFalke: build: Require python 3.5
233 2019-03-05T14:14:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa0e65b MarcoFalke: scripted-diff: test: Remove brackets after assert
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236 2019-03-05T14:15:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #14954: build: Require python 3.5 (master...Mf1811-buildPython3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14954
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240 2019-03-05T14:21:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a74d588f2154...d8a62db8bf68
241 2019-03-05T14:21:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4d4e4c6 Russell Yanofsky: Suggested interfaces::Chain cleanups from #15288
242 2019-03-05T14:21:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d8a62db MarcoFalke: Merge #15531: Suggested interfaces::Chain cleanups from #15288
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245 2019-03-05T14:22:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15531: Suggested interfaces::Chain cleanups from #15288 (master...pr/wclean2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15531
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252 2019-03-05T14:35:23  <jonasschnelli> Looks like ChaCha20Poly1305 is pretty fast on arm64(aarch64)
253 2019-03-05T14:35:29  <jonasschnelli> CHACHA20_1MB, 5, 340, 13.3704, 0.00772624, 0.00806671, 0.00775259
254 2019-03-05T14:35:30  <jonasschnelli> CHACHA20_256BYTES, 5, 250000, 2.41802, 1.92206e-06, 1.95887e-06, 1.92964e-06
255 2019-03-05T14:35:30  <jonasschnelli> CHACHA20_64BYTES, 5, 500000, 1.28993, 5.07247e-07, 5.26875e-07, 5.14802e-07
256 2019-03-05T14:35:30  <jonasschnelli> HASH_1MB, 5, 340, 22.5945, 0.0128931, 0.0135617, 0.0132931
257 2019-03-05T14:35:30  <jonasschnelli> HASH_256BYTES, 5, 250000, 6.84513, 5.43544e-06, 5.54961e-06, 5.45136e-06
258 2019-03-05T14:35:31  <jonasschnelli> HASH_64BYTES, 5, 500000, 7.47419, 2.94502e-06, 3.04259e-06, 2.99531e-06
259 2019-03-05T14:35:32  <jonasschnelli> POLY1305_1MB, 5, 340, 10.2145, 0.00591661, 0.00609435, 0.00601109
260 2019-03-05T14:35:33  <jonasschnelli> POLY1305_256BYTES, 5, 250000, 1.88446, 1.48188e-06, 1.52889e-06, 1.52119e-06
261 2019-03-05T14:35:34  <jonasschnelli> POLY1305_64BYTES, 5, 500000, 1.08101, 4.25452e-07, 4.43012e-07, 4.29685e-07
262 2019-03-05T14:35:38  <jonasschnelli> ^ sipa gmaxwell
263 2019-03-05T14:36:54  <jonasschnelli> results are from a RK3328 Quad-Core ARM Cortex A53 64-Bit
264 2019-03-05T14:37:43  <jonasschnelli> (no SHA2 hardware acceleration)
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266 2019-03-05T14:39:05  <jonasschnelli> Which shows a tendency that something like BIP151 may speed up processing performance on ARM... especially small packets
267 2019-03-05T14:40:17  <jonasschnelli> ~72MB/s
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269 2019-03-05T14:41:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d8a62db8bf68...4952a953585e
270 2019-03-05T14:41:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 21be609 Glenn Willen: In lint-format-strings, open files sequentially
271 2019-03-05T14:41:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4952a95 MarcoFalke: Merge #15534: [test] lint-format-strings: open files sequentially (fix for...
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274 2019-03-05T14:42:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15534: [test] lint-format-strings: open files sequentially (fix for OS X) (master...feature-fix-lint-osx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15534
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284 2019-03-05T15:19:52  <didoerpl> hey
285 2019-03-05T15:20:02  <didoerpl> when will zksnarks be implemented for privacy
286 2019-03-05T15:20:08  <didoerpl> why still no privacy
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304 2019-03-05T16:14:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #15538: wallet_bumpfee.py: Make sure coin selection produces change (master...bumpfee_change_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15538
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316 2019-03-05T17:10:57  <provoostenator> Gitian woes: bin/gbuild:21:in `system!': failed to run on-target setarch x86_64 bash -x < var/build-script > var/build.log 2>&1 (RuntimeError)
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318 2019-03-05T17:11:20  <provoostenator> Last line in build.log: checking for BSD- or MS-compatible name lister (nm)... nm
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320 2019-03-05T17:11:53  <provoostenator> Ah, out of disk space :-)
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326 2019-03-05T17:40:45  <wumpus> okay, after cleaning the cache I still get the same riscv/aarch64 output
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334 2019-03-05T19:00:58  <MarcoFalke> wumpus: Mind to upload the binaries?
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336 2019-03-05T19:05:44  <MarcoFalke> or anyone else who has matching hashes
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341 2019-03-05T19:31:41  <jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: about the message histogram: I logged about 5h, ~50% of the messages are invs while ~90% of the traffic is due to the 5% block messages
342 2019-03-05T19:31:57  <jonasschnelli> The median message size is 103 bytes (only the payload)
343 2019-03-05T19:33:38  <jonasschnelli> (and thats sending)
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345 2019-03-05T19:37:04  <jonasschnelli> receiving: 34% invs, 39% tx, median message size: 31 bytes
346 2019-03-05T19:38:10  <jonasschnelli> 88% of inbound traffic is inv/tx (73% of all messages), median inv size: 109, median tx size: 325
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348 2019-03-05T19:49:41  <gmaxwell> the 5% block messages, also then means these numbers aren't representative for all peers (they're from your node helping IBDing peers, and most nodes on the network don't participate in that).
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350 2019-03-05T19:50:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #8471: Key origin metadata, with HD wallet support (master...keyorigin_hd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8471
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353 2019-03-05T20:43:29  <mmgen> gmaxwell: is this a permanent ban from #bitcoin, greg?  Just asking.  To be honest, I'm astounded.  As a long-time participant here, I wasn't expecting this
354 2019-03-05T20:43:57  <mmgen> gmaxwell: trying to fathom the motive
355 2019-03-05T20:46:01  <gmaxwell> You are only in there continually promoting your "key generator tool" that sets off a multiple red flags, it would be difficult for it to look more like malware if you were trying.
356 2019-03-05T20:46:20  <gmaxwell> It's not welcome in there.
357 2019-03-05T20:47:33  <mmgen> gmaxwell: it's a complete wallet and cold storage system, not a key-generating tool
358 2019-03-05T20:47:33  <mmgen> a 5-year old project
359 2019-03-05T20:49:47  <mmgen> and I don't see the "continual promotion".  I mention it in response to peoples' queries, that's all
360 2019-03-05T20:51:25  <gwillen> mmgen: just as a devil's advocate here, a popular thing for people to do is take over projects with a lot of history and inject malware
361 2019-03-05T20:51:40  <gwillen> so that's not totally dispositive as to intent
362 2019-03-05T20:52:29  <gwillen> (note that I only have an @ here for spam-fighting reasons, I am not in charge here and defer to gmaxwell on all matters of relevance)
363 2019-03-05T20:52:55  <gwillen> (or to Appropriate Authorities)
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365 2019-03-05T20:53:30  <gwillen> also, in general #bitcoin has a lot of people who are a danger to themselves in terms of running whatever software is in front of them
366 2019-03-05T20:53:38  <gwillen> and risking their coins in the process
367 2019-03-05T20:53:45  <gwillen> so there has to be a pretty high bar in there in general
368 2019-03-05T20:54:18  <gwillen> (this is why e.g. most links are looked on with extreme suspicion)
369 2019-03-05T20:54:34  <mmgen> gwillen: ok
370 2019-03-05T20:55:22  <gwillen> FWIW I think your tool looks cool, although I am skeptical that your alternative to BIP32 is an improvement but I'd be interested to hear about the motivation behind it (but not in this channel, perhaps #bitcoin-dev would accept such a conversation)
371 2019-03-05T20:55:30  <gwillen> (I'm not sure where the best place is)
372 2019-03-05T20:55:41  <mmgen> gwillen: thanks for the interest
373 2019-03-05T20:55:43  <gmaxwell> My logs show mmgen first joined #bitcoin on feb 23rd and in that time he his linked his tool 35 times.
374 2019-03-05T20:56:05  <mmgen> s/tool/wallet/
375 2019-03-05T20:56:25  <mmgen> and I've been here much longer than that
376 2019-03-05T20:57:09  <mmgen> for well over a year
377 2019-03-05T20:57:53  <gmaxwell> In any case, this discussion is offtopic here.
378 2019-03-05T20:58:43  <mmgen> well if i'm banned on #bitcoin, how can I get unbanned?
379 2019-03-05T20:58:55  <mmgen> that's the only reason I'm discussing it here
380 2019-03-05T20:59:36  <mmgen> my nick was registered around July 2017, by the way
381 2019-03-05T21:01:10  <mmgen> gwillen: my concern with bip32 is that is uses ecc, which could be a problem after the advent of quantum computing
382 2019-03-05T21:02:39  <mmgen> gwillen: that's why my key-derivation scheme is hash-based
383 2019-03-05T21:05:22  <gmaxwell> mmgen: hardend bip32 is a hash derrived private key, you are spreading disinformation claiming that it has any different security properties.
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385 2019-03-05T21:08:34  <mmgen> gmaxwell: but it uses ec as well
386 2019-03-05T21:09:15  <sipa> mmgen: please take this elsewhere
387 2019-03-05T21:09:21  <sipa> (and others)
388 2019-03-05T21:09:48  <booyah> mmgen: #bitcoin-bans is about discussing bans
389 2019-03-05T21:09:53  <mmgen> sipa: well, I'd be happy to take it to #bitcoin, but gmaxwell has banned me there, for promoting "snake oil"
390 2019-03-05T21:10:15  <sipa> mmgen: sorry to hear that, but not my problem. it's completely off topic here
391 2019-03-05T21:10:30  <mmgen> booyah: thanks for the pointer
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