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5022019-08-22T01:23:17  <fanquake> Would anyone be opposed to having a "configuration.md" in /docs/ that explains ./configure usage and dependency -> configure option mappings?
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5042019-08-22T01:23:37  <fanquake> At the moment there's so much random configure documentation shotgunned all over the place. I think it'd make sense to put it all in one place, and always point back to that from other docs.
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5132019-08-22T01:40:20  <luke-jr> fanquake: ./configure --help?
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5152019-08-22T01:46:34  <fanquake> luke-jr: Is your suggestion is to replace every mention of configure options/related info in all the documentation with "go look at ./configure --help"? I don't think that's the answer, unless we want to add a lot more info to that configure output.
5162019-08-22T01:48:34  <fanquake> We also do mention that in the docs at least once already: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md#additional-configure-flags
5172019-08-22T01:49:41  <luke-jr> dunno, aside from dependencies (which have a dedicated doc file) what else is there to say?
5182019-08-22T01:54:19  <fanquake> Well at the moment there's configure related suggestions/info spread out all through the build-* files, productivity.md, dependencies.md, developer-notes.md etc. So clearly a fair bit.
5192019-08-22T01:55:59  <fanquake> Although a lot of it's repeated, hence why I think consolidating is worthwhile. I'll PR some changes and everyone can take a look.
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5612019-08-22T06:56:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16677: gui: remove unused PlatformStyle::TextColorIcon (master...remove_unused_text_coloricon) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16677
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6022019-08-22T10:27:52  <fanquake> I've just merged #16674, however the PR hasn't been auto-closed, and the bot obviously hasn't shown up here. Looking at https://www.githubstatus.com/, it could be a GitHub issue.
6032019-08-22T10:27:54  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16674 | refactor: remove obsolete qt algorithm usage by fanquake · Pull Request #16674 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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6052019-08-22T10:28:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16674: refactor: remove obsolete qt algorithm usage (master...remove_obselete_qt_usage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16674
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6082019-08-22T10:29:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon opened pull request #16678: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-uint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16678
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6112019-08-22T10:40:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon closed pull request #16678: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-uint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16678
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6152019-08-22T10:44:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon opened pull request #16679: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-unit-base) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16679
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6182019-08-22T11:10:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6dfa9efa3f55...868a8cea1550
6192019-08-22T11:10:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fea33cb fanquake: refactor: replace qStableSort with std::stable_sort
6202019-08-22T11:10:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 59373e3 fanquake: refactor: replace qSort with std::sort
6212019-08-22T11:10:06  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 153d9dd fanquake: refactor: replace qLowerBound & qUpperBound with std:: upper_bound & lower...
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6452019-08-22T13:05:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/868a8cea1550...52b9797119d5
6462019-08-22T13:05:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa8cd6f MarcoFalke: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings
6472019-08-22T13:05:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faebf62 MarcoFalke: rpc: Use Join helper in rpc/util
6482019-08-22T13:05:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 52b9797 MarcoFalke: Merge #16670: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings
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6512019-08-22T13:06:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16670: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings (master...1908-utilStringJoin) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16670
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6692019-08-22T13:53:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon opened pull request #16680: Preparations for more testchains (master...b19-testchains-qt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16680
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6732019-08-22T13:57:32  <jtimon> I don't think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8994 needs conceptual review, it needs review and testing
6742019-08-22T13:58:03  <jtimon> on the other hand, I think #16524 #16526 and #16527 do need conceptual review
6752019-08-22T13:58:05  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16524 | Wallet: Disable -fallbackfee by default by jtimon · Pull Request #16524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
6762019-08-22T13:58:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16526 | A: Refactor: Chainparams: readability by jtimon · Pull Request #16526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
6772019-08-22T13:58:09  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16527 | B: Get rid of Params().RequireStandard() by jtimon · Pull Request #16527 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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6822019-08-22T14:16:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon opened pull request #16681: QA: Adapt BitcoinTestFramework for chains other than "regtest" (master...b19-testchains-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16681
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6902019-08-22T14:52:27  <emilengler> How do I write a release note?
6912019-08-22T14:52:39  <emilengler> Like is there a file for the upcoming release where PR authors can append their change?
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6992019-08-22T15:33:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #16682: net_processing: Disconnect blocks-only peers that send us tx INVs (master...2019-08-disconnect-blocksonly-violators) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16682
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7172019-08-22T16:58:10  <jonatack> emilengler: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/developer-notes.md#release-notes then see release note commits for examples
7182019-08-22T17:13:41  <emilengler> jonatack: thanks
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7352019-08-22T19:00:18  <meshcollider> meeting?
7362019-08-22T19:01:09  <jnewbery> hi
7372019-08-22T19:01:12  <jonasschnelli> hi
7382019-08-22T19:01:17  <provoostenator> hi
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7402019-08-22T19:01:27  <jeremyrubin> hi
7412019-08-22T19:01:30  <ariard> hi
7422019-08-22T19:01:32  <sipa> hi
7432019-08-22T19:01:46  <dongcarl> hi
7442019-08-22T19:02:15  <meshcollider> ping wumpus
7452019-08-22T19:03:05  <dongcarl> 0 received, 100% packet loss
7462019-08-22T19:03:23  <jonasschnelli> #startmeeting
7472019-08-22T19:03:23  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 19:03:23 2019 UTC.  The chair is jonasschnelli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
7482019-08-22T19:03:23  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
7492019-08-22T19:03:43  <jonasschnelli> There are no proposed topics
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7512019-08-22T19:03:55  <jonasschnelli> (so far)
7522019-08-22T19:04:20  <meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball
7532019-08-22T19:04:23  <jonasschnelli> #topic high priority for review
7542019-08-22T19:04:27  <jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
7552019-08-22T19:04:30  <gleb> hi
7562019-08-22T19:04:33  <jonasschnelli> Anything to change?
7572019-08-22T19:04:49  <achow101> hi
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7602019-08-22T19:05:33  <wumpus> test
7612019-08-22T19:05:38  <jonasschnelli> pong
7622019-08-22T19:05:43  <wumpus> wow, i'm visible now?
7632019-08-22T19:05:52  <meshcollider> wumpus: Yep
7642019-08-22T19:06:10  <wumpus> apparently I wasn't authenticated with freenode so no one was seeing my messages? this was really strange\
7652019-08-22T19:06:30  <wumpus> was already surprised why the meetingstart bot wasn't working
7662019-08-22T19:06:35  <achow101> how long has wumpus been shouting into the void?
7672019-08-22T19:06:37  <jonasschnelli> heh
7682019-08-22T19:06:40  <meshcollider> provoostenator has had similar issues before I think
7692019-08-22T19:06:42  <wumpus> about five minutes :)
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7712019-08-22T19:07:01  <jeremyrubin> we miss anything good?
7722019-08-22T19:07:05  <jonasschnelli> omg... must have felt terrible
7732019-08-22T19:07:20  <wumpus> no, about the same jonasschnelli did :)
7742019-08-22T19:08:06  <harding> FYI,I saw "hi" or similar from the following people.  If you're not listed, you might be muted.  meshcollider jnewbery jonasschnelli provoostenator jeremyrubin ariard sipa dongcarl gleb achow101 (and, just now, wumpus).
7752019-08-22T19:08:08  <provoostenator> meshcollider: indeed, that's always fun
7762019-08-22T19:08:21  <wumpus> so anyhow, feel free to keep chairing the meeting
7772019-08-22T19:09:53  <meshcollider> So far no one has any topics
7782019-08-22T19:09:56  <jonasschnelli> Looks like non of the high prio PR's are ready to merge,...
7792019-08-22T19:10:05  <dongcarl> #proposedmeetingtopic upgrade to C++17
7802019-08-22T19:10:05  <jtimon> hi
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7822019-08-22T19:10:21  <jonasschnelli> #topic upgrade to C++17 (dongcarl)
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7842019-08-22T19:10:52  <dongcarl> I looked at the history a little, and there was a PR for upgrading to C++14
7852019-08-22T19:10:59  <wumpus> I think no one was prepared for that one
7862019-08-22T19:11:00  <jeremyrubin> What are the major new features?
7872019-08-22T19:11:14  <dongcarl> I believe that 17 has a lot of functionality that would simplify our codebase
7882019-08-22T19:11:26  <dongcarl> jeremyrubin: https://github.com/AnthonyCalandra/modern-cpp-features
7892019-08-22T19:11:34  <wumpus> would it replace any boost use?
7902019-08-22T19:11:47  <dongcarl> wumpus: Yes, I believe we rely on boost::optional
7912019-08-22T19:12:08  <wumpus> what would be minimum supported clang and gcc? which linux distros carry those? what about debian stable?
7922019-08-22T19:12:21  <wumpus> I think we have our own optional<>
7932019-08-22T19:12:27  <wumpus> but that's not really a big deal
7942019-08-22T19:12:48  <dongcarl> our own optional is just a wrapper around boost optional
7952019-08-22T19:12:54  <kanzure> hi
7962019-08-22T19:12:55  <dongcarl> Also c++17 has a filesystem module
7972019-08-22T19:13:05  <dongcarl> The minimum for ALL 17 is GCC8
7982019-08-22T19:13:22  <dongcarl> debian stable is on 8
7992019-08-22T19:13:27  <dongcarl> and RHEL dts is on 8
8002019-08-22T19:13:32  <achow101> are we going to just skip 14?
8012019-08-22T19:13:38  <wumpus> ubuntu 18.04 still has 7.4.0
8022019-08-22T19:13:45  <wumpus> ther's no way we're going to do this yet, imo, sorry
8032019-08-22T19:14:21  <dongcarl> Okay
8042019-08-22T19:14:27  <wumpus> achow101: 14 was not worth it, 17 probably is, but it's imo too early
8052019-08-22T19:14:32  <wumpus> but others might have other opinions
8062019-08-22T19:14:38  <dongcarl> Ubuntu has 8 packaged
8072019-08-22T19:14:49  <achow101> most of gcc 7 has 17
8082019-08-22T19:14:50  <wumpus> yes, but the default is 7.4.0
8092019-08-22T19:15:01  <achow101> err... gcc 7 has most of 14
8102019-08-22T19:15:06  <wumpus> I don't really want to cause people trouble for no good reason
8112019-08-22T19:15:09  <achow101> *17
8122019-08-22T19:15:22  <dongcarl> support matrix: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
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8142019-08-22T19:15:23  <jeremyrubin> there doesn't seem to be too much new in 14+17
8152019-08-22T19:15:40  <jeremyrubin> the filesystem module seems compelling tho
8162019-08-22T19:15:47  <dongcarl> this is the only feature that requires GCC8: http://wg21.link/p0512r0
8172019-08-22T19:16:01  <jeremyrubin> But IIRC wumpus had some work that was replacing the fs module
8182019-08-22T19:16:07  <wumpus> has anyone tried replacing boost filesystem with it in our usage? anything missing?
8192019-08-22T19:16:08  <ryanofsky> wumpus, any people you are worried about in particular? i'd expect most non-developers to just use binaries and not be affected
8202019-08-22T19:16:22  <sipa> for a long time we had C++11-minus-thread_local as guideline; perhaps there is something similar for C++17 that would bring the compatibility up?
8212019-08-22T19:16:26  <wumpus> ryanofsky: I'd like bitcoind to be easily buildable on a wide range of systems such as VPSes and such
8222019-08-22T19:16:49  <wumpus> many people build bitcoin from source
8232019-08-22T19:17:08  <sipa> i'd like c++17, but not until it's easily supportable on all reasonable systems
8242019-08-22T19:17:16  <ryanofsky> so we are worried about the type of person who knows how to build bitcoin from source, but not how to install an updated compiler
8252019-08-22T19:17:16  <dongcarl> GCC7 has everything but one obscure C++17 feature: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
8262019-08-22T19:17:26  <dongcarl> What systems are we concerned about?
8272019-08-22T19:17:41  <wumpus> please, installing an updated compiler can be nasty on some platforms
8282019-08-22T19:18:03  <wumpus> gcc7 as requirement might be ok, but 8 is not
8292019-08-22T19:18:09  <ryanofsky> wumpus, i guess i'm not aware...
8302019-08-22T19:18:38  <dongcarl> I'm sorry I misspoke
8312019-08-22T19:18:49  <sipa> also, there is a historical case of a miner not wanting to update because he couldn't get a c++11 compatible compiler or something
8322019-08-22T19:18:57  <wumpus> I think we should have this discussion on github, not in the meeting
8332019-08-22T19:19:25  <MarcoFalke> I'd say that installing a package (compiler or anything) not through a package manager should not be encouraged by us
8342019-08-22T19:19:26  <dongcarl> Okay
8352019-08-22T19:19:38  <ryanofsky> yeah, it'd be good to know specifics of who would be affected
8362019-08-22T19:19:40  <jnewbery> why is this off-topic for a meeting?
8372019-08-22T19:19:43  <meshcollider> So C++17-class_template_argument_ddeduction might be ok then
8382019-08-22T19:19:43  <wumpus> MarcoFalke:yes it sounds strange to me
8392019-08-22T19:19:51  <wumpus> jnewbery: it's not off topic
8402019-08-22T19:20:13  <wumpus> but I think this requires a fair amount of research, to see what is affected and what not
8412019-08-22T19:20:24  <wumpus> and als o*why* we want this
8422019-08-22T19:20:36  <wumpus> and maybe someone actualy implementing the fs stuff using std filesystem and seeing what comes up
8432019-08-22T19:20:57  <wumpus> it seem a bit random to just propose 'oh let's bump the requirement to c++17'
8442019-08-22T19:21:07  <MarcoFalke> There was an issue on C++14 and it was rejected because centos and similar didn't ship a C++14 compiler. Unless this changes, we don't even need to chat about C++17
8452019-08-22T19:21:10  <wumpus> but that might be just me
8462019-08-22T19:21:40  <sipa> well when we eventually want to switch to c++17 we will want to discuss it in the meeting
8472019-08-22T19:21:46  <dongcarl> I'm sorry, I might be mis-remembering, but in the previous C++14 PR, someone requested for things like this to be discussed in a meeting
8482019-08-22T19:21:47  <jnewbery> I think it's useful to solicit opinions in a meeting
8492019-08-22T19:21:50  <dongcarl> So that's what I did
8502019-08-22T19:21:55  <sipa> but it sounds like we may not have enough information right now
8512019-08-22T19:21:59  <wumpus> dongcarl: sure
8522019-08-22T19:22:13  <dongcarl> I'll open an issue, we'll discuss there
8532019-08-22T19:22:19  <jonasschnelli> ack
8542019-08-22T19:22:22  <wumpus> ack, thanks
8552019-08-22T19:22:56  <jonasschnelli> I guess it needs a rational. Benefits / risks / user-costs
8562019-08-22T19:23:14  <wumpus> right
8572019-08-22T19:23:16  <jonatack> hi
8582019-08-22T19:23:41  <meshcollider> Centos still has 4.8.5 from what I can see
8592019-08-22T19:23:57  <MarcoFalke> jup
8602019-08-22T19:24:37  <MarcoFalke> So first we'd need to wait for centos 8 to come out and then give users plenty of time to upgrade
8612019-08-22T19:25:12  <wumpus> it'd be too late for 0.19 anyhow, but probably not 0.20 (in half a year) then either
8622019-08-22T19:26:02  <MarcoFalke> https://wiki.centos.org/About/Building_8
8632019-08-22T19:26:22  <MarcoFalke> apparently they have an rc out
8642019-08-22T19:26:31  <wumpus> a reminder that 0.19 release date is getting pretty close, soft string freeze is 2019-09-01, feature freeze 2019-09-15, that's less than a month
8652019-08-22T19:26:51  <sipa> thanks
8662019-08-22T19:27:07  <wumpus> we probably should start prioritizing features for review that need to make it in for 0.19
8672019-08-22T19:27:15  <wumpus> or at least, would be nice to make it in
8682019-08-22T19:27:17  <MarcoFalke> quick. Merge all the things!111!!!
8692019-08-22T19:27:31  <wumpus> heh
8702019-08-22T19:29:28  <wumpus> ok, any other topics?
8712019-08-22T19:30:27  <wumpus> #endmeeting
8722019-08-22T19:30:33  <jonasschnelli> #endmeeting
8732019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 19:30:33 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
8742019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.html
8752019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.txt
8762019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.log.html
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8782019-08-22T19:31:59  <elichai2> Is it ok to open an issue listing wanted features in 14+17 and then I/we can update current status of compilers and OSs? (and say if these features are even worth it)
8792019-08-22T19:33:36  <wumpus> elichai2: sure, but I think dongcarl is opening an issue about it
8802019-08-22T19:33:50  <dongcarl> elichai2: I'll link you
8812019-08-22T19:33:53  <elichai2> ok dongcarl send the link and i'll comment there :)
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8972019-08-22T20:12:46  <jtimon> I don't think it belonged in the meeting, but as said, I don't think #8994 needs the "needs conceptual review" tag, while #16524 #16526 and #16527 need it (specially the last 2, since they compete with each other)
8982019-08-22T20:12:50  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8994 | Testchains: Introduce custom chain whose constructor... by jtimon · Pull Request #8994 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
8992019-08-22T20:12:51  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16524 | Wallet: Disable -fallbackfee by default by jtimon · Pull Request #16524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
9002019-08-22T20:12:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16527 | B: Get rid of Params().RequireStandard() by jtimon · Pull Request #16527 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
9012019-08-22T20:12:54  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16526 | A: Refactor: Chainparams: readability by jtimon · Pull Request #16526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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9032019-08-22T20:25:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] BlockMechanic opened pull request #16686: Fix missing destructor in class (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16686
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9072019-08-22T20:33:43  <dongcarl> Is there a better way to terminate message deserialization early (when you encounter absurdities) than to throw  an exception in `Unserialize` and catching it in `ProcessMessages`?
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9102019-08-22T20:35:39  <provoostenator> Sorry for the join/leave noise. Vanity IPv6 address achieved :-)
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9252019-08-22T21:19:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] elichai opened pull request #16687: Taproot :) (master...taproot-rebase-52b9797) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16687
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9302019-08-22T21:32:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #16687: Taproot :) (master...taproot-rebase-52b9797) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16687
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9432019-08-22T22:08:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jkczyz opened pull request #16688: log: Add validation interface logging (master...2019-08-validation-logging) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16688
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9562019-08-22T22:41:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ariard opened pull request #16689: Add missing fields in some rpc wallets helps (master...2019-08-missing-fields-rpcs-help) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16689
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