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42019-08-29T00:10:56 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aff1c9c Aaron Clauson: Adds an option to msbuild common configuration to ignore linker warning 42...
52019-08-29T00:10:56 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7fbbd6f fanquake: Merge #16746: msbuild: Ignore linker warning
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82019-08-29T00:11:54 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16746: msbuild: Ignore linker warning (master...msvc_ignore_4221) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16746
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122019-08-29T00:17:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7fbbd6fbd2b8...085fe76299df
132019-08-29T00:17:02 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9452802 João Barbosa: doc: Tidy up shadowing section
142019-08-29T00:17:03 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 085fe76 fanquake: Merge #16461: doc: Tidy up shadowing section
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182019-08-29T00:17:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16461: doc: Tidy up shadowing section (master...2019-07-fix-devnotes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16461
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362019-08-29T02:23:40 <sipa> jamesob: have you tried using sparsehash for the chainstate?
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462019-08-29T03:20:29 <fanquake> sipa: if you're still around, want to take a look at #14862 ?
472019-08-29T03:20:31 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14862 | doc: Declare BLOCK_VALID_HEADER reserved by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14862 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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532019-08-29T03:37:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/085fe76299df...9546a785953b
542019-08-29T03:37:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1373fa7 Chuf: doc: add default bitcoin.conf locations
552019-08-29T03:37:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9546a78 fanquake: Merge #16621: doc: add default bitcoin.conf locations
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582019-08-29T03:38:28 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16621: doc: add default bitcoin.conf locations (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16621
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622019-08-29T03:55:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9546a785953b...fc5b756bae26
632019-08-29T03:55:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aded052 setpill: Improve clarity of systemd service file comments
642019-08-29T03:55:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 639a416 setpill: Chgrp config dir to bitcoin in systemd service
652019-08-29T03:55:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 870d415 setpill: Set ProtectHome in systemd service file
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682019-08-29T03:56:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16556: Fix systemd service file configuration directory setup (master...fix-systemd-service-perms) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16556
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892019-08-29T06:58:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipsorcery closed pull request #16747: msbuild: Add missing classes to the bench_bitcoin project (master...add_missing_bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16747
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952019-08-29T07:13:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipsorcery opened pull request #16750: msbuild: adds bench_bitcoin to auto generated project files (master...autogen_bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16750
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1242019-08-29T09:25:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] michaelfolkson opened pull request #16752: doc: Replace stale URL in test README with alternative Boost resource (master...20190829-boost-url) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16752
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1292019-08-29T09:37:14 <wumpus> fanquake: I guess the idea was to do 0.17.2 soon
1302019-08-29T09:37:37 <fanquake> wumpus: Yes I think so.
1312019-08-29T09:37:41 <wumpus> is 16638 held up on me?
1322019-08-29T09:38:17 <fanquake> wumpus: It probably needs your sign-off / look over again.
1332019-08-29T09:38:23 <wumpus> okay!
1342019-08-29T09:38:40 <fanquake> I re-pulled some translations, but nothing major.
1352019-08-29T09:43:58 <wumpus> it looks good to me
1362019-08-29T09:46:12 <fanquake> wumpus: ð
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1442019-08-29T09:59:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 commits to 0.17: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c165df198d6e...01a1537fe02d
1452019-08-29T09:59:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 b4472f5 fanquake: build: bump version to 0.17.2
1462019-08-29T09:59:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 c56c9ad fanquake: doc: update manpages for 0.17.2
1472019-08-29T09:59:02 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 6b42df8 fanquake: qt: 0.17.2 translation update
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1502019-08-29T09:59:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16638: [0.17] Release preparations for 0.17.2 (0.17...0-17-2-release-prep) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16638
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1522019-08-29T10:02:14 <promag> kallewoof: ping
1532019-08-29T10:02:45 <provoostenator> Lol, the merge script caught an @ sjors because it was right behind an ACK: https://github.com/syscoin/syscoin/commit/ab294f70a18ea1141a26ec3d25ffb028ae4d9842
1542019-08-29T10:03:23 <promag> sorry provoostenator :/
1552019-08-29T10:03:59 <promag> there's always a corner case
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1572019-08-29T10:04:29 <promag> kallewoof: for explicit fee modes conf_target should be required no?
1582019-08-29T10:05:33 <wumpus> promag: whoops
1592019-08-29T10:05:40 <wumpus> I mean, provoostenator
1602019-08-29T10:05:47 <wumpus> I don't think it checks there for @, no
1612019-08-29T10:06:09 <wumpus> likely it should :)
1622019-08-29T10:06:24 <provoostenator> Next time I'll just say: "ACK, don't at me"
1632019-08-29T10:06:47 <promag> it that case it should drop @
1642019-08-29T10:06:50 <wumpus> haha "be careful what you say after/before an ACK, the whole line will be in git history forever"
1652019-08-29T10:07:24 <wumpus> promag: yes, throwing away the @'s would likely be fine there
1662019-08-29T10:08:07 <fanquake> can't stop the spam
1672019-08-29T10:08:38 <wumpus> \o/
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1752019-08-29T10:27:51 <provoostenator> Now that the Github CEO has our ear, we could also just ask them to fix this.
1762019-08-29T10:28:19 <wumpus> I think they see it as a feature
1772019-08-29T10:28:46 <wumpus> it would be a useful per-user setting maybe, "don't notify me when my name appears in commits"
1782019-08-29T10:29:29 <wumpus> (thinking of it, their almost total lack of notification settings already came up before)
1792019-08-29T10:33:15 <provoostenator> They should also find a way to discourage recency-bias. The notifications page strongly pushes for a bias to reacting to new stuff
1802019-08-29T10:33:32 <provoostenator> The blue dot makes that worse
1812019-08-29T10:33:36 <wumpus> yes, though I think this is a problem with the whole internet
1822019-08-29T10:33:48 <provoostenator> Sure, fix the internet as well :-)
1832019-08-29T10:34:06 <provoostenator> In fact, I'd say it's human nature.
1842019-08-29T10:34:08 <wumpus> I mean, they use kind of default user conventions which don't get much thought
1852019-08-29T10:35:23 <wumpus> let's fix human nature, now you're talking xD
1862019-08-29T10:36:24 <TheHoliestRoger> is there a discussion open about algorithm/mining at all?
1872019-08-29T10:37:03 <TheHoliestRoger> just out of curiosity, i'm not trying to troll or shill anything
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1912019-08-29T10:40:46 <wumpus> TheHoliestRoger: the bitcoin-dev mailing list archives would be the place to look for that
1922019-08-29T10:41:10 <TheHoliestRoger> thanks wumpus, is it a discussion still ongoing or is it put to bed?
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2002019-08-29T10:44:38 <wumpus> TheHoliestRoger: I'm sure people are still talking about it somewhere, but not sure anything changed for years regarding that
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2022019-08-29T10:52:26 <TheHoliestRoger> wumpus: just been reading the list, i see various people trying to talk about eco friendly options but they're just met with resistance explaining the flaws rather than ideas of hwo to make it viable
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2042019-08-29T10:52:37 <TheHoliestRoger> it's a shame, we can't keep doing this forever
2052019-08-29T10:53:20 <TheHoliestRoger> (i am all for btc btw, i'm just losing faith in cryptocurrency in general)
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2072019-08-29T10:53:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fc5b756bae26...1f77c5c3e7c0
2082019-08-29T10:53:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa60583 MarcoFalke: ci: Pass down $MAKEJOBS to test_runner.py
2092019-08-29T10:53:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa27372 MarcoFalke: ci: Move CCACHE_DIR and test_runner tmp dir into ./ci/scratch/
2102019-08-29T10:53:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1f77c5c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16739: ci: Pass down $MAKEJOBS to test_runner.py, other improvement...
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2122019-08-29T10:54:12 <wumpus> nothing can be done forever, things always change, circumstances always change, who says it's needed forever ? in any case, this is not the place for such discussions, the channel is for day-to-day development of the code base
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2142019-08-29T10:54:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16739: ci: Pass down $MAKEJOBS to test_runner.py, other improvements (master...1908-ciScratch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16739
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2162019-08-29T10:55:01 <TheHoliestRoger> fair enough, apologies
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2192019-08-29T11:05:55 <promag> feature_block.py keeps failing
2202019-08-29T11:06:29 <fanquake> promag: also #16744
2212019-08-29T11:06:30 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16744 | test: feature_block exits successfully even on failure · Issue #16744 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2222019-08-29T11:07:13 <promag> ah
2232019-08-29T11:09:36 <fanquake> hebasto: What looks wrong in #16752? Looks fine to me?
2242019-08-29T11:09:38 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16752 | doc: Delete stale URL in test README by michaelfolkson · Pull Request #16752 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2252019-08-29T11:09:50 <promag> can someone chime in #16285
2262019-08-29T11:09:52 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16285 | rpc: Improve scantxoutset response and help message by promag · Pull Request #16285 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2282019-08-29T11:10:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1f77c5c3e7c0...aca76b9ee89e
2292019-08-29T11:10:28 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2e1455c Hennadii Stepanov: Replace obsolete functions of QSslSocket
2302019-08-29T11:10:29 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aca76b9 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16708: qt: Replace obsolete functions of QSslSocket
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2332019-08-29T11:11:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16708: qt: Replace obsolete functions of QSslSocket (master...20190824-obsolete-qssl) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16708
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2372019-08-29T11:16:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #16381: Set minimum required Boost to 1.53.0 (master...20190713-bump-minimum-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16381
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2412019-08-29T11:18:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/aca76b9ee89e...b7ff38972c39
2422019-08-29T11:18:48 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41d484d Michael Folkson: doc: Delete stale URL in test README
2432019-08-29T11:18:48 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7ff389 fanquake: Merge #16752: doc: Delete stale URL in test README
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2462019-08-29T11:19:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16752: doc: Delete stale URL in test README (master...20190829-boost-url) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16752
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2522019-08-29T11:33:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b7ff38972c39...dcfd85acb428
2532019-08-29T11:33:57 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d53d591 Aaron Clauson: Added the bench_bitcoin project to the list automatically produced by the ...
2542019-08-29T11:33:57 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dcfd85a fanquake: Merge #16750: msbuild: adds bench_bitcoin to auto generated project files
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2572019-08-29T11:34:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16750: msbuild: adds bench_bitcoin to auto generated project files (master...autogen_bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16750
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2612019-08-29T11:40:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #16753: wallet: extract PubKey from P2PK script with Solver (master...extractpubkey_with_solver) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16753
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2662019-08-29T11:49:47 <wumpus> FYI #16754, this has been dragging on for multiple releases, I think it's time to change to a new transifex org if this can't be resolves. So please: if anyone knows seone, or can contact them, let me know
2672019-08-29T11:49:48 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2682019-08-29T11:50:54 <fanquake> #proposedmeetingtopic transifex org discussion
2692019-08-29T11:51:54 <fanquake> Just realised the meeting is tonight. Likely wont be there so someone else can discuss.
2702019-08-29T11:52:50 <wumpus> well can bring it up at least
2712019-08-29T11:53:28 <luke-jr> #proposedmeetingtopic macOS/GNOME developers pushing their UI on everyone else
2722019-08-29T11:54:01 <luke-jr> though I have to pick kids up at school during meeting as usual :x
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2772019-08-29T12:05:17 <promag> luke-jr: imho we have so few menu items - in contrast to other apps like design/3d/video/music/word where the icons help moving fast - that icons don't really matter and they don't improve accessibility that much either
2782019-08-29T12:06:35 <luke-jr> promag: yet they are part of KDE/Windows UI design, and someone is willing to maintain them
2792019-08-29T12:07:46 <promag> yeah kde/win support icons but it's optional
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2812019-08-29T12:09:39 <promag> fwiw I don't care that much if icons are added back, but its like jonasschnelli said, there's a lot of ui/ux improvements and icons seem the wrong place to spend energy
2822019-08-29T12:10:18 <luke-jr> if nobody wants to do it, I don't care, but in fact someone does
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2842019-08-29T12:10:22 <wumpus> it kind of only makes sense if it'd use icons from the system theme
2852019-08-29T12:11:06 <wumpus> bitcoin-qt using its own menu icons was kind of silly, and doesn't help at all with the purpose of icons to make things more familiar
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2872019-08-29T12:13:04 <luke-jr> KDE HIG: "Provide icons for all menu items. Donât re-use the same icon for multiple items."
2882019-08-29T12:13:15 <luke-jr> https://hig.kde.org/components/navigation/menubar.html
2892019-08-29T12:14:27 <wumpus> so now you're trying to push the KDE interface guidelines on everyone else, how is that better :)
2902019-08-29T12:14:31 <promag> energy spent bikeshedding UI by category: labels:1 layouts:10 colors:100 shortcuts:1000 icons:>9000
2912019-08-29T12:14:35 <luke-jr> wumpus: I imagine Qt has a way to get at theme icons
2922019-08-29T12:14:37 <wumpus> the GUI maintainer should make a decision about this
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2942019-08-29T12:14:47 <wumpus> and that's it, cant accomodate everyone
2952019-08-29T12:14:47 <luke-jr> wumpus: no, Qt adapts to macOS/GNOME themes as already noted
2962019-08-29T12:14:57 <promag> wumpus: I think he did
2972019-08-29T12:15:00 <wumpus> we're not going to reconsider this every time
2982019-08-29T12:15:02 <wumpus> promag: right
2992019-08-29T12:15:24 <luke-jr> promag: icons come up maybe once a year at most
3002019-08-29T12:15:45 <promag> luke-jr: they will come no more X)
3012019-08-29T12:16:00 <fanquake> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16729#issuecomment-524967201
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3032019-08-29T12:18:32 <promag> luke-jr: kidding.. I just think the common denominator and the least controversial choice is to have no icons
3042019-08-29T12:18:46 <wumpus> no *menu* icons
3052019-08-29T12:18:50 <luke-jr> GUI maintainer forcing his particular platform's HIG on everyone else, is an abuse of position
3062019-08-29T12:18:55 <wumpus> I don't think anyone is arguing to remove all icons
3072019-08-29T12:19:10 <luke-jr> promag: people who don't want icons don't see them
3082019-08-29T12:20:17 <luke-jr> Qt deals with this already
3092019-08-29T12:21:56 <wumpus> it's just giving way too much discussion, especially if you'd want to follow the KDE guideline to have an icon for every item
3102019-08-29T12:22:17 <wumpus> I mean there was a PR disussing whether to use a box with an arrow or floppy for a save action
3112019-08-29T12:22:23 <luke-jr> then ignore those PRs..
3122019-08-29T12:22:25 <wumpus> how is that in any way conductvie to this project
3132019-08-29T12:22:39 <luke-jr> using theme icons will reduce that kind of debate too
3142019-08-29T12:22:52 <wumpus> it's just not worth it, I'm sure you'll want to do it differently in knots, that's fine :)
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3162019-08-29T12:23:32 <luke-jr> actually, I can't easily add icons to Knots because they're binary files and Core doesn't do SVGs.
3172019-08-29T12:24:02 <luke-jr> for some minor things, I have some tooling to render SVGs at build time, but doing it for all the menu icons would be sufficiently painful that I probably just won't
3182019-08-29T12:24:06 <wumpus> yes, I think using theme icons would be considerably better, the problem is that once you do that, you can only use theme icons because any custom ones will always conflict with the theme
3192019-08-29T12:25:14 <wumpus> I think it was even tried once to replace the icons by theme ones, but there were some issues, like the theme icons not being the same ones nor available on all platforms, it's not as easy and consistent as it sounds
3202019-08-29T12:26:34 <wumpus> but you're welcome to try, I mean, fall back to no icons if they're not available in the theme is fine I guess
3212019-08-29T12:26:56 <wumpus> (as this is basically to accomodate KDE now)
3222019-08-29T12:27:05 <luke-jr> Windows also
3232019-08-29T12:27:13 <wumpus> windows definitely has no theme icons
3242019-08-29T12:27:29 <wumpus> that's a linux distribution thing
3252019-08-29T12:29:26 <luke-jr> anyway, my point isn't to get into the details here - just to get past blocking it because their particular platform doesn't use it
3262019-08-29T12:32:38 <wumpus> I just mean: if you can make a patch to add back icons for KDE, taken from the theme, so it doesn't have to clutter the repo nor generate discussion about particular icons, it'll probably be an easy ACK for me
3272019-08-29T12:33:25 <wumpus> if ont, it's not worth discussing
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3302019-08-29T12:42:15 <luke-jr> looks like Qt supports Windows icons too: https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qstyle.html#StandardPixmap-enum
3312019-08-29T12:42:24 <luke-jr> hopefully QIcon::fromTheme can handle it by now :/
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3352019-08-29T12:54:39 <jonasschnelli> Are we really having ultra long discussions about icon? Most users are not willing to run core because of fundamental UX issues.
3362019-08-29T12:54:44 <jonasschnelli> *icons*
3372019-08-29T12:55:19 <wumpus> I agree, for example that it still hangs the GUI thread while syncing
3382019-08-29T12:55:26 <jonasschnelli> Yes.
3392019-08-29T12:56:09 <jonasschnelli> Or that most systems are basically not usable with default configurations during IBD (due to maximising usage of system resources)
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3412019-08-29T12:56:57 <jonasschnelli> Bring the icons back, I don't care.
3422019-08-29T12:57:10 <jonasschnelli> But don't expect that users will use or not-use core because of that.
3432019-08-29T12:57:16 <fanquake> Core running on a *fairly* powerful macbook is just about unusable during IBD. Constant beachballing / lag in the GUI.
3442019-08-29T12:57:38 <fanquake> jonasschnelli: I'm also in agreement with you.
3452019-08-29T12:58:16 <luke-jr> the guy working on icons, isn't capable of lag stuff AFAICT
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3472019-08-29T12:58:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/dcfd85acb428...d20d171f26c2
3482019-08-29T12:58:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1260ecd Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Add TextWidth() wrapper
3492019-08-29T12:58:26 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c6dd32d Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Replace obsolete functions of QDesktopWidget
3502019-08-29T12:58:26 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d20d171 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16701: qt: Replace functions deprecated in Qt 5.13
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3552019-08-29T12:59:54 <wumpus> luke-jr: maybe, but it elevates the noise thrshold for everyone, I think it is good to take away things that create a culture in the project of bikeshedding
3562019-08-29T13:01:58 <luke-jr> maybe a separate UX-specific repo that UX-concerned people can work at, with a per-release PR to the main repo?
3572019-08-29T13:03:53 <wumpus> I don't think anyone is interested in going that far
3582019-08-29T13:04:55 <wumpus> I mean, I'm not against anyone doing that, if they can make it work, but it seems a lot of coordination and work for something pretty far down the ladder of concerns for the project overall
3592019-08-29T13:05:31 <wumpus> (I remember something like that was tried for "trivial" PRs once, like those that fix typos in comments and such, but it broke down pretty quickly)
3602019-08-29T13:06:28 <wumpus> anyhow, if someone *would* solve long running, fundamental issues like the UI lag issue I'd be very inclined to pay more heed to their ideas about icons as well :)
3612019-08-29T13:07:31 <luke-jr> seems like two things at fundamentally different skill levels :/
3622019-08-29T13:07:47 <wumpus> it's true, but one is a path toward UI maintainer, the other is not, I mean
3632019-08-29T13:07:52 <luke-jr> already too many people get the impression contributing to Core requires high skill
3642019-08-29T13:08:33 <promag> not "different skill levels", just "different skills"
3652019-08-29T13:08:44 <wumpus> sure, and that again is still a very different kind of skill than say, contributing to consensus code
3662019-08-29T13:09:08 <promag> good icons are made by skilled designers
3672019-08-29T13:09:31 <wumpus> this isn't about icon design really
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3712019-08-29T13:13:58 <wumpus> I thnk if you'd really want a designer involved with bitcoin's gui you'd want to start from the top, the layout and such, not from minimal things like the icons ... but usability is more important than design that's clear, it's what people actually struggle with now
3722019-08-29T13:15:15 <promag> it's what people actually struggle with now -> is there a place to see the complaints?
3732019-08-29T13:15:40 <wumpus> heck even the developers stuggle with the lag issue
3742019-08-29T13:16:12 <wumpus> anyhow I"m tired of this, no longer going to argue, it just goes on and on and on
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3762019-08-29T13:17:35 <jonasschnelli> Regardless of icons yes or now. There is a very low probability that we revert something we jjust got 7 acks for. That's the reason why I closed the PR.
3772019-08-29T13:17:46 <wumpus> yes
3782019-08-29T13:18:09 <jonasschnelli> If one has a new approach, better, that is not just reverting a 7-ack PR, bring it!
3792019-08-29T13:18:14 <promag> regarding UI lag -> #16261
3802019-08-29T13:18:17 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16261 | gui: Refactor OpenWalletActivity by promag · Pull Request #16261 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3832019-08-29T13:18:30 <jonasschnelli> Everything else is a waste of everyones time
3842019-08-29T13:18:53 <jonasschnelli> Thanks promag: will test asap
3852019-08-29T13:18:59 <fanquake> yes I should review that, givens it's also the base of create wallet
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3872019-08-29T13:19:40 <promag> jonasschnelli: well maybe after 0.19?
3882019-08-29T13:19:50 <promag> or createwallet if for 0.19?
3892019-08-29T13:19:55 <promag> *is for
3902019-08-29T13:20:11 <fanquake> it should be for 0.19.0
3912019-08-29T13:20:20 <jonasschnelli> Lets try.
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3942019-08-29T13:24:27 <promag> MarcoFalke: why does DrahtBot makes links that redirect?
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3962019-08-29T13:25:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf opened pull request #16755: [0.17.2] Fix translations (0.17...0.17.2.fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16755
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4002019-08-29T13:29:34 <tryphe> jonasschnelli, personally i'm not even sure why icons even matter when most of the gui UX seems in infacy still. to me it's a stylistic but non-functional change, sorta like changing a bunch of code from snake case to camel case because it looks cooler for some undetermined minority.
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4022019-08-29T13:30:06 <jonasschnelli> Yeah
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4042019-08-29T13:30:08 <wumpus> tryphe: I think we yet again all agree except for luke-jr :)
4052019-08-29T13:30:52 <jonasschnelli> I vaguely remember luke-jr did also raise concerns when we change the icon to the bw-icons back in 2013.
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4132019-08-29T13:39:12 <tryphe> wumpus, jonasschnelli: and on the topic of accessbility, i don't think icons ultimately matter too much since there are already accessibility tools offered by most OS. for example, if the person has dyslexia, there's already fonts out there for that. and if they are blind they could use Linux Screen Reader.
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4152019-08-29T13:39:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #15965: check bad-prevblk is right error for invalid descendants (master...bad-prevblk) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15965
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4172019-08-29T13:44:49 <jonasschnelli> tryphe: if one can't read the text next to icons, how should one manage to send or receive coins?
4182019-08-29T13:44:52 <jonasschnelli> :-)
4192019-08-29T13:45:18 <jonasschnelli> (I mean without further accessibility tools like screen readers, etc.)
4202019-08-29T13:46:23 <tryphe> jonasschnelli, yeah, and Qt is extensible enough to where even if they couldn't read the text, they could modify their OS settings so they can (assuming they know how to read)
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4222019-08-29T13:47:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d20d171f26c2...1f8378508acf
4232019-08-29T13:47:56 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d75e704 Jonas Schnelli: Add log output during initial header sync
4242019-08-29T13:47:56 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1f83785 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15615: Add log output during initial header sync
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4272019-08-29T13:48:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15615: Add log output during initial header sync (master...2019/03/hdr_sync) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15615
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4292019-08-29T13:48:54 <tryphe> jonasschnelli, there's even this checklist which doesn't even mention icons: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/accessible.html
4302019-08-29T13:49:33 <tryphe> to me, something much better would be supporting something like QAccessibleActionInterface
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4322019-08-29T13:50:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 0.17: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/01a1537fe02d...ed65d1483466
4332019-08-29T13:50:47 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 b30b713 GChuf: [0.17.2] Fix translations
4342019-08-29T13:50:47 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 ed65d14 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16755: [0.17.2] Fix translations
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4372019-08-29T13:51:06 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16755: [0.17.2] Fix translations (0.17...0.17.2.fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16755
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4482019-08-29T14:00:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1f8378508acf...75142ece6b66
4492019-08-29T14:00:13 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9e0c1d6 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Remove QSignalMapper from RPCConsole
4502019-08-29T14:00:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0912134 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Remove QSignalMapper from TransactionView
4512019-08-29T14:00:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 75142ec Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16706: qt: Replace deprecated QSignalMapper by lambda expressions
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4542019-08-29T14:01:06 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16706: qt: Replace deprecated QSignalMapper by lambda expressions (master...20190824-obsolete-qsignalmapper) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16706
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4672019-08-29T14:42:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/75142ece6b66...d8fc9979130a
4682019-08-29T14:42:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d48c1e8 Jonathan "Duke" Leto: Add window final block height to getchaintxstats
4692019-08-29T14:42:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d8fc997 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16695: rpc: Add window final block height to getchaintxstats
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4722019-08-29T14:43:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16695: rpc: Add window final block height to getchaintxstats (master...getchaintxstats_height) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16695
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4872019-08-29T16:05:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16757: doc: ActivateBestChainStep return value (master...1909-docValABCS) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16757
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4922019-08-29T16:27:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #16758: qt: Replace QFontMetrics::width() with TextWidth() (master...20190829-pr16701-followup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16758
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5012019-08-29T16:36:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d8fc9979130a...bcf7004a8945
5022019-08-29T16:36:51 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c536677 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Remove obsolete QModelIndex::child()
5032019-08-29T16:36:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bcf7004 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #16707: qt: Remove obsolete QModelIndex::child()
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5062019-08-29T16:37:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli merged pull request #16707: qt: Remove obsolete QModelIndex::child() (master...20190824-qmodelindex-child) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16707
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5202019-08-29T17:33:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] emilengler opened pull request #16759: doc: Fix table syntax (master...2019-08-bitcoin-conf-table) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16759
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5332019-08-29T18:30:54 <warren> FYI ... libfaketime-0.9.8 is released upstream. It works with newer glibc Linux distros out of the box. But ppc64le and aarch64 require you to build it with non-default flags to use different ifdefs in order to workaround issues. Upstream lacks automake/autoconf so it can't detect if it needs those ifdefs are needed automatically.
5342019-08-29T18:33:29 <wumpus> we don't build faketime from source, do we? at least not in depends
5352019-08-29T18:34:16 <warren> dunno, we blindly using the version in Ubuntu? we should build it ourselves because it intercepts a bunch of syscalls during build
5362019-08-29T18:35:31 <wumpus> I don't think that matters for gitian, maybe for guix
5372019-08-29T18:38:57 <warren> dongcarl: let me know when libfaketime is being updated for guix, due to the lack of auto* tooling it needs different build flags for different archs =(
5382019-08-29T18:39:38 <dongcarl> warren: We don't need libfaketime at all for guix
5392019-08-29T18:39:54 <warren> dongcarl: oh, good.
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5412019-08-29T18:40:20 <dongcarl> maybe for the win/osx builds tho, still working thru windows
5422019-08-29T18:41:59 <wumpus> oh that's very good
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5442019-08-29T18:42:28 <wumpus> with tools becoming deterministic, the need for faketime should be less and less
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5462019-08-29T18:50:25 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf opened pull request #16760: [qt] Change uninstall icon on Windows (master...uninstall-icon) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16760
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5482019-08-29T18:54:41 <dongcarl> wumpus: for sure! Also standardization of `SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH` should help a bunch too
5492019-08-29T18:56:27 * warren grumble ... libfaketime is broken if your glibc is too new
5502019-08-29T18:58:19 <wumpus> oh no not another icon PR
5512019-08-29T18:58:56 <wumpus> oh it's simply a setting, phew :<
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5532019-08-29T19:00:21 <wumpus> #startmeeting
5542019-08-29T19:00:21 <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 29 19:00:21 2019 UTC. The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
5552019-08-29T19:00:21 <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
5562019-08-29T19:00:23 <jonasschnelli> hi
5572019-08-29T19:00:25 <kanzure> hi
5582019-08-29T19:00:39 <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball kvaciral
5592019-08-29T19:00:43 <sipa> hi
5602019-08-29T19:00:47 <achow101> hi
5612019-08-29T19:00:51 <meshcollider> hi
5622019-08-29T19:00:53 <jeremyrubin> hi
5632019-08-29T19:01:07 <phantomcircuit> hi
5642019-08-29T19:01:12 <wumpus> no proposed topics in https://gist.github.com/moneyball/071d608fdae217c2a6d7c35955881d8a, anyone have any last minute topics?
5652019-08-29T19:01:13 <meshcollider> wumpus isn't invisible this week \o/
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5672019-08-29T19:01:20 <jtimon> hi
5682019-08-29T19:01:22 <wumpus> meshcollider: hah
5692019-08-29T19:01:48 <wumpus> I have one about #16754
5702019-08-29T19:01:50 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5712019-08-29T19:02:10 <dongcarl> fanquake: Are you here?
5722019-08-29T19:02:39 <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
5732019-08-29T19:02:51 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 5 blockers, 6 chasing concept ACK
5742019-08-29T19:02:59 <provoostenator> hi
5752019-08-29T19:03:05 <wumpus> anything to add/remove, or ready for merge?
5762019-08-29T19:03:50 <dongcarl> Can we add #16392
5772019-08-29T19:03:50 <provoostenator> #15450
5782019-08-29T19:03:52 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16392 | WIP build: macOS toolchain update by fanquake · Pull Request #16392 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5792019-08-29T19:03:56 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15450 | [GUI] Create wallet menu option by achow101 · Pull Request #15450 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5802019-08-29T19:04:09 <wumpus> I don't think adding a WIP PR makes sense?
5812019-08-29T19:04:27 <wumpus> it's either WIP or ready for review, not both
5822019-08-29T19:04:36 <wumpus> or do you mean to chasing concept ACK?
5832019-08-29T19:04:39 <provoostenator> Although achow101 already has a PR...
5842019-08-29T19:04:44 <dongcarl> Yeah chasing concept ACK
5852019-08-29T19:05:01 <dongcarl> Would like some discussion around updating the OS X SDK
5862019-08-29T19:05:07 <warren> hi
5872019-08-29T19:06:05 <wumpus> provoostenator: well you're proposing this one and you don't have one of your own so I guess that's okay
5882019-08-29T19:07:28 <provoostenator> Awesome. It reduces the rebase hell I'm in for hardware wallet GUI.
5892019-08-29T19:07:46 <provoostenator> And it's pretty much done anyway
5902019-08-29T19:08:32 <wumpus> great !
5912019-08-29T19:09:37 <wumpus> #topic Transifex organization issues
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5942019-08-29T19:09:59 <wumpus> so basically I don't have full access to the organization under which bitcoin core's translations are, on transifex
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5962019-08-29T19:10:18 <wumpus> none of us has, only the person who orignally created it, 'seone', does anyone perhaps know them?
5972019-08-29T19:10:22 <wumpus> #16754
5982019-08-29T19:10:23 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5992019-08-29T19:10:47 <jonasschnelli> Could contacting transiflex eventually help?
6002019-08-29T19:11:15 <jonasschnelli> They may help in such cases when the administrator left...
6012019-08-29T19:11:18 <sipa> never heard of that person
6022019-08-29T19:11:20 <wumpus> I don't know, my proposal is to move the translations to the bitcoincore org, which already has the website translations
6032019-08-29T19:11:31 <wumpus> or at least, create them there starting with 0.19
6042019-08-29T19:11:45 <jonasschnelli> would loosing contributors be a problem? or any other downside when moving to bitcoincore?
6052019-08-29T19:11:47 <sipa> well would there be any overhead from the transition?
6062019-08-29T19:11:48 <wumpus> contacting transifex might help, but may take a long time to resolve
6072019-08-29T19:12:10 <wumpus> we're losing contributors now because I don't have access to the team page
6082019-08-29T19:12:19 <wumpus> and can't set language coordinators andsuch
6092019-08-29T19:12:22 <jonasschnelli> Oh. Good point.
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6112019-08-29T19:12:43 <jonasschnelli> ack on moving from my side
6122019-08-29T19:12:59 <provoostenator> ACK on moving or starting from scratch
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6142019-08-29T19:13:40 <wumpus> I had hoped someone simply knew seone, I've tried contacting them through the site a few times but I think their last activity was in 2017 or so
6152019-08-29T19:13:51 <meshcollider> You could contact transifex and just give it 3 days or so just to see what happens without waiting forever
6162019-08-29T19:13:54 <wumpus> not aware of any IRC or github nicks
6172019-08-29T19:13:55 <warren> In the past I knew the owner of Transifex personally but we haven't talked for years, maybe I can get his attention now.
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6192019-08-29T19:14:09 <wumpus> oh someone on the inside of transifex would also help
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6212019-08-29T19:14:27 <warren> let's set a timeout, if we can't get help by _______ then we move
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6232019-08-29T19:14:51 <wumpus> the problem is that 0.19 translations are supposed to open in 3 days
6242019-08-29T19:15:26 <wumpus> so that means we skip this for 0.19, which is fine, I guess we can mess around as we did for another release
6252019-08-29T19:17:11 <wumpus> so are you sure enough this will work warren that it's worth that?
6262019-08-29T19:17:43 <warren> wumpus: I don't know, I haven't tried to talk to him for many years now. Transifex started as a Fedora project over a decade ago, that's how I know him.
6272019-08-29T19:17:53 <wumpus> oh!
6282019-08-29T19:17:57 <warren> actually we talked maybe 4 years ago
6292019-08-29T19:18:20 <warren> would it be a pain to move to the other org? would it confuse people?
6302019-08-29T19:18:21 <wumpus> that's longer ago than when I talked to seone :-)
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6322019-08-29T19:18:39 <provoostenator> So we wait 3 days to see if move can happy quckly, otherwise do 0.19 from a fresh account (maybe a day or two delayed)?
6332019-08-29T19:19:04 <wumpus> nah, could just throw a notification in the old organisation that the translations have opened, in another place
6342019-08-29T19:19:08 <provoostenator> Given that we have to handle backports for a while, it's nice to do 0.19 the righ tway
6352019-08-29T19:19:59 <wumpus> I think a notification on transifex results in a mail for everyone that participates
6362019-08-29T19:20:06 <wumpus> but yes, let's wait a week then
6372019-08-29T19:20:07 <warren> wumpus: it's thursday now. if I can't get a response by end of Friday then assume we won't get an answer in time and plan on moving?
6382019-08-29T19:20:09 <wumpus> any other topics?
6392019-08-29T19:20:18 <wumpus> warren: sounds good to me!
6402019-08-29T19:20:21 <warren> a week? OK i'll try
6412019-08-29T19:20:45 <wumpus> yeah it's not a problem to open the translation a few days later, that's definitely happened before
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6432019-08-29T19:22:58 <wumpus> no other topics, going to close the meeting then, thanks everyone
6442019-08-29T19:23:10 <wumpus> #endmeeting
6452019-08-29T19:23:10 <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 29 19:23:10 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
6462019-08-29T19:23:10 <lightningbot> Minutes: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-29-19.00.html
6472019-08-29T19:23:10 <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-29-19.00.txt
6482019-08-29T19:23:10 <lightningbot> Log: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-29-19.00.log.html
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6502019-08-29T19:27:33 <provoostenator> A made a PR on bitcoin.org to remove a few dead torrent trackers: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/3087
6512019-08-29T19:28:09 <provoostenator> It would be nice if Gitian / guix also generated that torrent file, in particular the info hash.
6522019-08-29T19:28:25 <wumpus> FWIW I don't use that script to generate the torrent anymore
6532019-08-29T19:28:40 <wumpus> it used to be that bitcoin.org automatically generated and seeded the torrent file
6542019-08-29T19:28:47 <wumpus> but that hasn't been the case for years
6552019-08-29T19:28:51 <provoostenator> Ah I figured it still worked that way
6562019-08-29T19:29:06 <wumpus> no, bitcoin.org is not even the preferred download site anymore
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6582019-08-29T19:29:25 <provoostenator> I couldn't find an equivalent script on bitcoincore.org repo
6592019-08-29T19:29:33 <wumpus> there isn't one
6602019-08-29T19:29:55 <wumpus> bitcoincore.org doesn't generate the torrent file / magnet link, I do that myself
6612019-08-29T19:30:46 <wumpus> if you have an up to date list of trackers I'm happy to use them next time thogh
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6632019-08-29T19:33:15 <wumpus> this is what I've been using: https://gist.github.com/laanwj/dcc0f30d52fdeeed57689e1edf6cc7f5
6642019-08-29T19:34:43 <provoostenator> wumpus: zer0day.ch is gone
6652019-08-29T19:34:52 <provoostenator> The first 3 still work
6662019-08-29T19:35:01 <wumpus> this seems a useful list https://github.com/ngosang/trackerslist/blob/master/trackers_best.txt
6672019-08-29T19:35:39 <wumpus> thanks, will replace that one
6682019-08-29T19:36:47 <harding> On BitcoinCore.org, I can make the &tr=blah;&tr=blah part of the URI a part of the template so wumpus doesn't need to provide it and it can be updated across the whole site with just a +1/-1 diff.
6692019-08-29T19:37:47 <wumpus> harding: oh sounds like a good idea, ah yes for magnet URIs it's not encoded but simply appended to the URI
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6712019-08-29T19:39:05 <wumpus> though I'm not sure that will work
6722019-08-29T19:39:05 <provoostenator> Also, as I pointed out in the github issue, I made my own tracker: udp://tracker.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl:6969 Happy to whitelist releases.
6732019-08-29T19:39:13 <wumpus> don't I have to announce to the trackers?
6742019-08-29T19:40:02 <wumpus> simply replacing the trackers in the URI, replacing them with others, might mean they don't know about it? (sorry I know very little about how torrent works so may be wrong)
6752019-08-29T19:40:36 <wumpus> provoostenator: let's use that one too then :)
6762019-08-29T19:41:58 <provoostenator> Thanks, just note that it's whitelisted, because I'm not in Pirate Bay mood. So just ping me the info hash of each release.
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6782019-08-29T19:42:57 <harding> wumpus: anyone who is seeding announces it to the trackers, I believe.
6792019-08-29T19:43:34 <harding> wumpus: oh, I see what you're saying.
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6812019-08-29T19:44:26 <wumpus> I'm the initial seeder :)
6822019-08-29T19:44:56 <harding> Maybe we just keep doing it the current way. Currently, BitcoinCore.org only shows the magnet for the latest version, so just updating the tracker list at each release (if any of them die) is probably fine. There's no old magnet links with all dead trackers to worry about.
6832019-08-29T19:45:15 <provoostenator> I can seed them as well, but I set an obnoxious low upload speed limit.
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6872019-08-29T19:46:54 <wumpus> I use a VPS with pretty fast network for seeding so it's ok
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6902019-08-29T19:47:32 <wumpus> though it never hurts if more people do so
6912019-08-29T19:47:44 <wumpus> harding: agreed
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6932019-08-29T19:48:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] emilengler opened pull request #16761: trivial: Add blockpause (master...2019-08-blockpause) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16761
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6952019-08-29T19:51:22 <provoostenator> I use a VPS as well, but transmission only lets me configure a limit per second, not something more intelligent.
6962019-08-29T19:51:52 <provoostenator> An traffic shaping IP tables is a bit above my paygrade
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6992019-08-29T19:58:56 <phantomcircuit> provoostenator, im not sure the download size is large enough to justify a torrent really
7002019-08-29T19:59:18 <wumpus> people use the torrent, it has existed since 2011 or so, there's no need to 'justify' it
7012019-08-29T19:59:36 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, im genuinely surprised anybody uses it
7022019-08-29T19:59:45 <wumpus> it's good to have alternative download places than one little server
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7042019-08-29T20:00:33 <provoostenator> They also have the nice property of having a single identifying hash
7052019-08-29T20:00:53 <provoostenator> Hency my suggestion to sign that in the gitian / guix process.
7062019-08-29T20:00:54 <wumpus> also it gives you all the files at once, instead of having to download them one by one
7072019-08-29T20:01:12 <wumpus> I don't think that can work
7082019-08-29T20:01:20 <provoostenator> And most torrent clients let you pick which specific files you want, e.g. your own distro
7092019-08-29T20:01:32 <wumpus> the signature includes the torrent file, and the torrent file includes the hash
7102019-08-29T20:01:45 <wumpus> would create a circular dependency :)
7112019-08-29T20:02:36 <provoostenator> SegWit for torrents?
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7152019-08-29T20:05:19 <wumpus> heh
7162019-08-29T20:12:27 <fanquake> dongcarl: hello
7172019-08-29T20:17:22 <dongcarl> fanquake: got OSX into chasing concept ack
7182019-08-29T20:17:52 <dongcarl> If we donât get some kind of consensus on the ticket perhaps weâll bring it up as meeting topic sometime
7192019-08-29T20:18:08 <fanquake> dongcarl: ð
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7252019-08-29T20:31:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #16762: Rust-based Backup over-REST block downloader (master...2019-08-rusty-block-download) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16762
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7362019-08-29T20:35:59 <provoostenator> Looks like big seeders do get (succesfully) attacked by copyright actors: https://torrentfreak.com/popular-zer0day-torrent-tracker-taken-offline-by-mass-copyright-complaint-171014/
7372019-08-29T20:36:45 <provoostenator> But ultimately what seems to matter is whether the VPS provider, and/or domain registrar has spine.
7382019-08-29T20:39:12 <provoostenator> Some of these trackers come and go without us even noticing :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBitTorrent
7392019-08-29T20:42:15 <provoostenator> OpenTracker (the tracker, not the software by the same name) has a whopping $1 / month Patreon support. That should help their "goal is to create a torrent tracker that will stay alive"
7402019-08-29T20:44:44 <provoostenator> So we could probably use a few more bitcoin specific torrent trackers.
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7482019-08-29T21:17:06 <warren> anyone know what is wumpus' transifex username?
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7522019-08-29T21:23:27 <instagibbs> just a heads up, I've been granted merge permissions on HWI
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7552019-08-29T21:26:19 <warren> found his transifex account name
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7582019-08-29T21:40:56 <warren> Wrote e-mail to Transifex CEO. If I don't hear back by Monday I'll try to call and/or stop by their office nearby.
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7612019-08-29T21:46:58 <warren> LOL he responded in our github ticket and already fixed now.
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7712019-08-29T22:43:37 <meshcollider> Well that's very good news :)
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