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 19 2020-02-27T01:42:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e5d47ed8fd37...4502ed7cd1b3
 20 2020-02-27T01:42:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab2527 MarcoFalke: test: Disable mockforward scheduler unit test for now
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 24 2020-02-27T01:43:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #18174: WIP test: make mockscheduler test more reliable  (master...2020-02-fix-scheduler-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18174
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 27 2020-02-27T01:43:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #18211: test: Disable mockforward scheduler unit test for now (master...2002-testSchedulerWorkaround) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18211
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 30 2020-02-27T01:43:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #18174: WIP test: make mockscheduler test more reliable  (master...2020-02-fix-scheduler-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18174
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 32 2020-02-27T01:48:47  <fanquake> Kiminuo: Not sure if your still working on it, but rather than continuously pushing to the branch in #18210, can you setup Travis to run on your own repository while your testing/debugging.
 33 2020-02-27T01:48:49  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18210 | test: type hints in Python tests by kiminuo · Pull Request #18210 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 34 2020-02-27T01:49:07  <fanquake> That saves our Travis resources, and saves me (and anyone subscribed to the repo) from continual notifications.
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 75 2020-02-27T05:49:40  <Kiminuo> fanquake, Ah, sorry. Thanks for information
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100 2020-02-27T08:13:52  <provoostenator> achow101 I don't have strong feelings if we should cache all the things or not. A typical wallet would still be smaller than a single block.
101 2020-02-27T08:14:59  <provoostenator> If the performance difference is very small than I'm biased to keeping it lean.
102 2020-02-27T08:15:32  <provoostenator> (disk cache I mean)
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199 2020-02-27T14:16:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dangershony opened pull request #18212: Add missing step in win deployment instructions. (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18212
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204 2020-02-27T14:45:37  <instagibbs> anyone else having trouble getting comments through in github
205 2020-02-27T14:46:08  <instagibbs> yeah submitting review giving me an octopus
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213 2020-02-27T15:14:11  <pinheadmz> instagibbs: https://www.githubstatus.com/ ... guess I'll... go ... outside??
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216 2020-02-27T15:21:01  <instagibbs> Going to start e-mailing reviews now
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254 2020-02-27T18:44:16  <jonatack> Apologies to those whose PRs I planned to finish reviewing this week... been fighting off something flu-like this week (despite getting a flu shot last fall)
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256 2020-02-27T18:45:16  <jonatack> sounds like GitHub hasn't been cooperating with review, either
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264 2020-02-27T18:59:47  <elichai2> jonatack: hope you'll feel better soon!
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268 2020-02-27T19:00:42  <wumpus> #startmeeting
269 2020-02-27T19:00:42  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 27 19:00:42 2020 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
270 2020-02-27T19:00:42  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
271 2020-02-27T19:00:44  <jonatack> elichai2: thanks! your siphash pr and suhas' wtxid one are top of my list
272 2020-02-27T19:01:15  <provoostenator> hi
273 2020-02-27T19:01:18  <kanzure> hi
274 2020-02-27T19:01:20  <elichai2> Hi
275 2020-02-27T19:01:47  <achow101> hi
276 2020-02-27T19:01:52  <sipa> hi
277 2020-02-27T19:01:56  <jonatack> hi
278 2020-02-27T19:02:06  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball kvaciral ariard digi_james amiti fjahr
279 2020-02-27T19:02:07  <wumpus> jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55
280 2020-02-27T19:02:09  <hebasto> hi
281 2020-02-27T19:02:13  <lightlike> hi
282 2020-02-27T19:02:14  <promag> hi
283 2020-02-27T19:02:28  <fjahr> hi
284 2020-02-27T19:02:35  <meshcollider> hi
285 2020-02-27T19:02:38  <jonasschnelli> hi
286 2020-02-27T19:03:05  <wumpus> two proposed topics in proposedmeetingtopics: macOS notarization (jonasschnelli), more topic collection for upcoming physical meeting (kanzure)
287 2020-02-27T19:04:00  <wumpus> any last minute topics?
288 2020-02-27T19:04:29  <wumpus> FWIW 0.20.0 feature freeze is in about half a month
289 2020-02-27T19:04:45  <instagibbs> hi
290 2020-02-27T19:04:58  <wumpus> see for schedule: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17432
291 2020-02-27T19:05:10  <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
292 2020-02-27T19:05:44  <wumpus> 7 blockers, 1 bugfix, 6 chasing concept ACK in  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
293 2020-02-27T19:06:04  <achow101> Add #18115
294 2020-02-27T19:06:08  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18115 | wallet: Pass in transactions and messages for signing instead of exporting the private keys by achow101 · Pull Request #18115 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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296 2020-02-27T19:06:13  <provoostenator> +1
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298 2020-02-27T19:07:33  <wumpus> added
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300 2020-02-27T19:08:12  <wumpus> anything else to add/remove, or that is ready for merge?
301 2020-02-27T19:08:47  <provoostenator> I was hoping #17509 is ready, though maybe meshcollider can review first (it's not strictly wallet)
302 2020-02-27T19:08:49  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17509 | gui: save and load PSBT by Sjors · Pull Request #17509 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
303 2020-02-27T19:09:03  <wumpus> that one does seem the closest
304 2020-02-27T19:09:20  <gleb> hi
305 2020-02-27T19:09:27  <jnewbery> hi
306 2020-02-27T19:09:41  <ariard> hi
307 2020-02-27T19:09:59  <meshcollider> provoostenator: sure, I can review it :) Missed it actually sorry because it's only tagged GUI
308 2020-02-27T19:10:16  <sdaftuar> hi
309 2020-02-27T19:10:27  <provoostenator> If it makes it in, I pre-nominate gwillen's #18027 after that, nice to get that in for the feature freeze
310 2020-02-27T19:10:30  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18027 | "PSBT Operations" dialog by gwillen · Pull Request #18027 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
311 2020-02-27T19:10:44  <instagibbs> yeah that would be awesome ^
312 2020-02-27T19:10:48  <wumpus> that would be very nice
313 2020-02-27T19:10:58  <MarcoFalke> Can I add #17809 to high prio? It is a lot of changes, but shouldn't be too hard to review.
314 2020-02-27T19:11:02  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17809 | rpc: Auto-format RPCResult by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #17809 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
315 2020-02-27T19:11:06  <instagibbs> no need to open up -cli/console for anything PSBT related
316 2020-02-27T19:11:07  <provoostenator> +1
317 2020-02-27T19:11:21  <wumpus> MarcoFalke: sure
318 2020-02-27T19:12:10  <wumpus> added
319 2020-02-27T19:13:31  <wumpus> #topic macOS notarization (jonasschnelli)
320 2020-02-27T19:13:33  <provoostenator> We could try #18187 on v0.19.1rc3; if that's the only change it can be tested very quickly.
321 2020-02-27T19:13:35  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18187 | Add macOS notarization (including stapling) by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #18187 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
322 2020-02-27T19:13:52  <jonasschnelli> 18187 is pretty much it
323 2020-02-27T19:14:07  <wumpus> do we need a 0.19.1rc3?
324 2020-02-27T19:14:12  <jonasschnelli> It changes the process how we create the final macOS app
325 2020-02-27T19:14:35  <jonasschnelli> for the notarization, we don't need a rc3 I think... but it could help
326 2020-02-27T19:14:36  <provoostenator> It adds a staple to the signed binary, which is better for privacy
327 2020-02-27T19:14:43  <wumpus> thanks for working on this btw
328 2020-02-27T19:14:47  <provoostenator> And something we should test ideally
329 2020-02-27T19:14:52  <jonasschnelli> yes.
330 2020-02-27T19:15:18  <jonasschnelli> if there are any questions or possible problems (privacy / security), ask now! :)
331 2020-02-27T19:15:23  <wumpus> yes, we could do a rc3 just to test this, though I think many would like 0.19.1 out of the door, and we could test this for 0.20.0rc1 as well it takes somewhat longer but dunno
332 2020-02-27T19:15:50  <wumpus> it's more in line with the usual flow of doing things on master first
333 2020-02-27T19:16:07  <wumpus> but no strong opinion
334 2020-02-27T19:16:13  <provoostenator> True, but it's nice to test this on a smaller demographic than the 0.20 release
335 2020-02-27T19:16:24  <jonasschnelli> We can notarize 0.19.1 anyways (even without 18187)
336 2020-02-27T19:16:37  <jonasschnelli> I think targeting the pull for 0.20 makes sense
337 2020-02-27T19:16:41  <wumpus> do you think 0.20.0rc1 will have a larger demograhic?
338 2020-02-27T19:17:03  <sipa> 0.20.0 likely will have bigger adoption than 0.19.1
339 2020-02-27T19:17:11  <sipa> don't know about the rc's
340 2020-02-27T19:17:15  <jonasschnelli> Maybe we skip 0.19.1 and focus on a rc
341 2020-02-27T19:17:16  <provoostenator> That's what I mean. The rc I can test myself
342 2020-02-27T19:17:17  <wumpus> a lot of people wait for .1 fwiw
343 2020-02-27T19:17:22  <wumpus> don't know about rcs
344 2020-02-27T19:17:26  <jonasschnelli> There is the risk that we corrupt the final dmg otherwise
345 2020-02-27T19:17:45  <sipa> no strong opinion either way here
346 2020-02-27T19:18:08  <wumpus> ok, lets just merge it for 0.20 then
347 2020-02-27T19:18:16  <jonasschnelli> if I publish the notarization ticket together with the code signature, it would automatically end up in the final dmg
348 2020-02-27T19:18:20  <wumpus> then backport if it works
349 2020-02-27T19:18:22  <jonasschnelli> but we had no test if we go for 0.19.1
350 2020-02-27T19:18:32  <provoostenator> I don't like the privacy implications of not stapling, so then I suggest we don't notarize it, and just leave it right-click to install
351 2020-02-27T19:18:39  <jonasschnelli> yes. Lets merge and do the process only for 0.20rcX
352 2020-02-27T19:18:56  <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: thats a good point.
353 2020-02-27T19:19:10  <jonasschnelli> But no-one AFAIK has done a privacy related test.
354 2020-02-27T19:19:23  <jonasschnelli> We don't know if the GateKeeper server will not be contacted if the ticket is stapled
355 2020-02-27T19:19:30  <jonasschnelli> I haven't tested it (yet)
356 2020-02-27T19:19:39  <jonasschnelli> But very likely its completely offline
357 2020-02-27T19:20:10  <provoostenator> Well, if not, then they might as well ping gatekeeper for non-notarized binaries too and that's the end of macOS privacy  :-)
358 2020-02-27T19:20:35  <jonasschnelli> Yes. There are little more we can do...
359 2020-02-27T19:20:48  <wumpus> that's what happens with platforms closing up
360 2020-02-27T19:21:11  <wumpus> Cory Doctorow was right with his war on general purpose computing
361 2020-02-27T19:21:22  <jonasschnelli> Yeah. I guess the staping concept is probably acceptable.
362 2020-02-27T19:21:36  <jonasschnelli> But yeah. It's the digital war agains terrorism
363 2020-02-27T19:21:45  <jonasschnelli> (== - privacy)
364 2020-02-27T19:21:47  <wumpus> yep
365 2020-02-27T19:22:10  <jonasschnelli> What if we notarize 0.19.1 without stapeling?
366 2020-02-27T19:22:21  <wumpus> okay, one topic left
367 2020-02-27T19:22:25  <jonasschnelli> It would run without changing the security settings
368 2020-02-27T19:22:40  <wumpus> #topic more topic collection for upcoming physical meeting (kanzure)
369 2020-02-27T19:22:44  <provoostenator> But it would potentially doxx users to Apple
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371 2020-02-27T19:22:51  <kanzure> hey yeah just a reminder that we have a meeting in a month and i'm collecting topics
372 2020-02-27T19:23:01  <kanzure> need to poke jnewbery for survey entries iirc
373 2020-02-27T19:23:25  <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: lets talk on 18187
374 2020-02-27T19:23:27  <kanzure> i have a short document with a list of things that people have asked about.
375 2020-02-27T19:24:51  <kanzure> that's all
376 2020-02-27T19:24:59  <kanzure> in other news, HWI irc logs are now available http://gnusha.org/hwi/
377 2020-02-27T19:25:26  <wumpus> great!
378 2020-02-27T19:26:46  <wumpus> #endmeeting
379 2020-02-27T19:26:46  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Feb 27 19:26:46 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
380 2020-02-27T19:26:46  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-02-27-19.00.html
381 2020-02-27T19:26:46  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-02-27-19.00.txt
382 2020-02-27T19:26:46  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-02-27-19.00.log.html
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384 2020-02-27T19:33:14  <instagibbs> coredev during feature freeze, guess that means more discussion vs merging :)
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386 2020-02-27T19:36:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4502ed7cd1b3...324a6dfeafcb
387 2020-02-27T19:36:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f63ffd practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for V1TransportDeserializer (P2P transport)
388 2020-02-27T19:36:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 324a6df MarcoFalke: Merge #17771: tests: Add fuzzing harness for V1TransportDeserializer (P2P ...
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391 2020-02-27T19:36:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17771: tests: Add fuzzing harness for V1TransportDeserializer (P2P transport) (master...fuzzers-p2p_transport_deserializer) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17771
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401 2020-02-27T20:03:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/324a6dfeafcb...1615043935ef
402 2020-02-27T20:03:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b902bd6 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: check custom descendant limit in mempool_packages.py
403 2020-02-27T20:03:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1615043 MarcoFalke: Merge #17461: test: check custom descendant limit in mempool_packages.py
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407 2020-02-27T20:04:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17461: test: check custom descendant limit in mempool_packages.py (master...20191112-test-check_custom_descendant_limit_in_mempool-packages) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17461
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414 2020-02-27T20:28:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #18213: test: Fix race in p2p_segwit (master...2002-qaFixRaceSegwit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18213
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420 2020-02-27T20:35:40  <Kiminuo> Hello, anyone willing to take a look at https://github.com/kiminuo/bitcoin/commit/150e950461fdb929e45aee50126766c8a159a2c2 for (pre)review?
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431 2020-02-27T21:06:41  <instagibbs> Kiminuo, you should just open a "draft" PR for more visibility
432 2020-02-27T21:06:50  <instagibbs> (there's some setting somewhere to make it a draft)
433 2020-02-27T21:07:56  <Kiminuo> I have already did that. I have pushed many force-commits and fanquake was unhappy about that. That's why I have turned on Travis for my account and keep shooting commits there :)
434 2020-02-27T21:08:10  <Kiminuo> this is draft-of-draft :)
435 2020-02-27T21:08:30  <Kiminuo> I'll push it to bitcoin repo when I'm sufficiently happy about it
436 2020-02-27T21:15:11  <luke-jr> don't un-notarised DMGs still ping Apple to see if they are notarized?
437 2020-02-27T21:15:47  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli:
438 2020-02-27T21:16:24  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: yeah. I have that feeling as well. Otherwise how could the os know its notarized
439 2020-02-27T21:16:52  <jonasschnelli> Maybe it doesn't check if one disables the security feature or if he right-click-opens (don't think so though)
440 2020-02-27T21:16:59  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: does anything stop <random Joe> from notarising it "for" us? :x
441 2020-02-27T21:17:33  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: you can only notarize apps with your registered bundle id
442 2020-02-27T21:17:37  <jonasschnelli> (AFAIK)
443 2020-02-27T21:17:54  <jonasschnelli> so you need to provide username/passphrase during notarization which binds to your registered bundle ids
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446 2020-02-27T21:18:35  <luke-jr> which is tied to the signing we already do?
447 2020-02-27T21:18:37  <jonasschnelli> as for privacy,... you'r probably already married with Apple somehow.
448 2020-02-27T21:18:51  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: yes
449 2020-02-27T21:19:05  <luke-jr> + Users running macOS Catalina may need to "right-click" and then choose "Open"
450 2020-02-27T21:19:06  <luke-jr> + to open the Bitcoin Knots .dmg. This is due to new signing requirements
451 2020-02-27T21:19:07  <luke-jr> + imposed by Apple, which the Bitcoin Knots project does not implement.
452 2020-02-27T21:19:09  <luke-jr> wumpus: ^ should be re-added to release notes if we're not doing the notary thing yet
453 2020-02-27T21:19:17  <luke-jr> err, s/Knots/Core/ ofc ;)
454 2020-02-27T21:22:52  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: do you codesign Knots?
455 2020-02-27T21:25:20  <sipa> i had to read that 3 times before realizing you we're asking luke-jr about co-designers of Knots
456 2020-02-27T21:25:22  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: no, but I would welcome signatures
457 2020-02-27T21:25:32  <sipa> *weren't
458 2020-02-27T21:25:38  <luke-jr> sipa: haha
459 2020-02-27T21:25:42  <jonasschnelli> sipa: heh
460 2020-02-27T21:26:12  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: you could register at apple (99$/year) or we could see if we want to sign it with the Bitcoin Core Code Sign Association key.
461 2020-02-27T21:26:14  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: lately, Knots hasn't even come close to the goal of 3+ gitian sigs even tho :/
462 2020-02-27T21:26:25  <jonasschnelli> I would be okay with that,... as long as we have a clear policy
463 2020-02-27T21:26:37  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: the latter seems more logical - but IMO we should retain the required gitian signatures first
464 2020-02-27T21:26:56  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: indeed. I'll try to run my builder next time. Just ping me.
465 2020-02-27T21:26:58  <luke-jr> without 3+ gitian sigs, BCCSA clearly shouldn't sign it
466 2020-02-27T21:27:06  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: thanks
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468 2020-02-27T22:04:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #18214: Give slightly more understandable advice when needing -fallbackfee (master...fallback_msg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18214
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482 2020-02-27T23:27:54  <stevenroose> Just a heads up, the estimatesmartfee documentation is not optimal:
483 2020-02-27T23:27:57  <stevenroose>                 "confirmation within conf_target blocks if possible and return the number of blocks\n"
484 2020-02-27T23:27:59  <stevenroose>                 "for which the estimate is valid. Uses virtual transaction size as defined\n"
485 2020-02-27T23:28:12  <stevenroose> and then             "  \"blocks\" : n         (numeric) block number where estimate was found\n"
486 2020-02-27T23:28:28  <stevenroose> It's not really clear what the "blocks" return value is supposed to be.
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488 2020-02-27T23:29:23  <stevenroose> Is it supposed to be a block height or a block height delta?
489 2020-02-27T23:30:28  <stevenroose> Is it the block height at which a tx with the given fee is supposed to go in? Or does it indicate for how long I can reliably keep using the same estimation?
490 2020-02-27T23:30:54  <stevenroose> If anyone thinks this is confusing enough for me to open an issue, I'd be happy to. Let me know.
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492 2020-02-27T23:34:57  <fanquake> stevenroose: opening an issue sounds worthwhile
493 2020-02-27T23:37:45  <stevenroose> Opening one, if you can tell me with certainty what it actually is, I can also make a PR to improve the documentation, if you prefer.
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495 2020-02-27T23:43:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Empact opened pull request #18216: test, build: Enable -Werror=sign-compare (master...2020-02-sign-compare) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18216
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