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 29 2020-03-24T02:37:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] 21143875584 opened pull request #18414: Create main.yml (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18414
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 32 2020-03-24T02:37:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #18414: Create main.yml (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18414
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 47 2020-03-24T04:47:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #18415: scripts: add MACHO tests to test-security-check.py (master...add_MACHO_to_security_check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18415
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 58 2020-03-24T06:38:20  <vasild> What is the reason we store blocks in blk*.dat files in the order they are received and undos in rev*.dat files in height order? This convolutes the code a lot. If we can store in the same order (either receive or height) then some significant simplifications in the code can be done.
 59 2020-03-24T06:39:18  <aj> they're both stored in the order the data is discovered, which minimises having to shuffle the data on disk?
 60 2020-03-24T06:41:05  <sipa> i experimented with 1 file per block/undo early on
 61 2020-03-24T06:41:24  <sipa> but most filesystems didn't deal well with that
 62 2020-03-24T06:42:23  <vasild> aj: is it the case that we don't have the undo for a given block before having all prior blocks?
 63 2020-03-24T06:42:39  <sipa> vasild: undo data is created when a block is activated
 64 2020-03-24T06:42:56  <sipa> a block can only be activated once we have its data + its parent is active
 65 2020-03-24T06:42:57  <vasild> sipa: right, that would be 600k small files
 66 2020-03-24T06:43:27  <vasild> I see
 67 2020-03-24T06:43:39  <sipa> so yes it requires a block + its ancestors
 68 2020-03-24T06:44:06  <sipa> but we only attempt activation in chains that would lead to a new best tip
 69 2020-03-24T06:44:12  <vasild> so if we want (I am not sure if we do) store block and undo in the same order it means to store both in height order.
 70 2020-03-24T06:44:33  <sipa> so it's possible we download a block and then never activate it
 71 2020-03-24T06:44:54  <sipa> that would mean killing parallel block download
 72 2020-03-24T06:45:08  <sipa> (which inherently downloads them in non-height order)
 73 2020-03-24T06:45:55  <vasild> sipa: what about keeping the downloaded blocks with are not connected yet in memory and only send them to disk once we have all prior blocks, together with the undo (both in height order)?
 74 2020-03-24T06:46:07  <vasild> s/with are/which are/
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 76 2020-03-24T06:46:35  <sipa> vasild: that's not very realistic
 77 2020-03-24T06:46:43  <sipa> except for big machines
 78 2020-03-24T06:46:50  <vasild> too much memory would be required?
 79 2020-03-24T06:47:04  <sipa> we download up to 1000 blocks simultaneously
 80 2020-03-24T06:47:20  <sipa> that number can probably be reduced
 81 2020-03-24T06:47:33  <sipa> it's too low early on in the chain, and too large later on
 82 2020-03-24T06:49:16  <sipa> i don't think this should be a big problem really
 83 2020-03-24T06:49:44  <vasild> hmm, we can deduce how much memory would have been needed if we look at an existent database where blocks are stored in receive order
 84 2020-03-24T06:49:57  <sipa> i guess
 85 2020-03-24T06:50:19  <sipa> but you can't just add gigabytes (or even 100 MB) to the memory footprint
 86 2020-03-24T06:50:38  <sipa> people configure nodes on small devicez
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 89 2020-03-24T06:53:31  <vasild> If this turns out to be worth exploring, then I guess the download would have a buffer where out of order blocks are stored until being connected and if this buffer grows too much then some blocks evicted from it (maybe highest ones) meaning they would have to be re-downloaded because we couldnt store them in memory and couldn't put them on disk
 90 2020-03-24T06:53:49  <sipa> gah
 91 2020-03-24T06:53:53  <sipa> we did that in 0.9
 92 2020-03-24T06:53:56  <sipa> it was horrible
 93 2020-03-24T06:54:20  <sipa> you'd download the same blocks over and over again
 94 2020-03-24T06:54:21  <vasild> too many re-downloads?
 95 2020-03-24T06:54:48  <sipa> i really don't see a reason to change that (i'm biased, i wrote the parallel block download code...)
 96 2020-03-24T06:54:50  <vasild> how many blocks were kept in memory before starting eviction?
 97 2020-03-24T06:55:25  <vasild> well, parallel download is a must, I am not saying to kill it
 98 2020-03-24T06:55:35  <sipa> 1000, i think - but the whole block download logic was a bunch of hacks ducktaped together back then
 99 2020-03-24T06:55:46  <sipa> it's unfair to compare it to anything you're suggesting now
100 2020-03-24T06:56:23  <sipa> but i also don't see a good motivation for changing the order
101 2020-03-24T06:56:45  <sipa> we could just reorder the undo data in files whenever needed too by rewriting them
102 2020-03-24T06:56:56  <vasild> ok, two key points from the above discussion - 1. we can't write undo in receive order and 2. there is no strict reason to store blocks in receive order - it is being done to ease parallel download.
103 2020-03-24T06:57:05  <sipa> except that'd be much harder than just fixing the flushing logi
104 2020-03-24T06:57:46  <sipa> well, they're stored in order to avoid needing to rewrite things
105 2020-03-24T06:57:56  <sipa> it's just the easiest thing to do
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107 2020-03-24T06:58:37  <vasild> to rewrite things you mean rewrite the source code or data on disk? :)
108 2020-03-24T06:59:01  <aj> data on disk
109 2020-03-24T06:59:24  <vasild> if we buffer blocks and store them in height order on disk then nothing will be rewritten on disk?
110 2020-03-24T06:59:54  <aj> if you buffer them on disk, you'll be rewriting them; if you buffer them in ram, you're adding 100M-1G of extra ram which is unreasonable
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112 2020-03-24T07:00:55  <vasild> I am talking about buffering in ram. Buffering on disk makes no sense to me.
113 2020-03-24T07:01:15  <sipa> buffering in ram makes no sense to me
114 2020-03-24T07:01:22  <sipa> it's not data we likely ever need
115 2020-03-24T07:03:17  <vasild> Maybe I would write a tool to analyze an existent blk/rev database and it would show max peak buffer size for that database, if it was downloaded in a way that out of order blocks are buffered in ram.
116 2020-03-24T07:05:01  <sipa> the max peak buffer size is 4 GB
117 2020-03-24T07:05:16  <sipa> 1000 blocks @ 4 MB/block
118 2020-03-24T07:05:38  <vasild> but it feels like the similification of writing block and undo in the same order will come at a cost - complicating parallel block download with buffering out of order blocks.
119 2020-03-24T07:07:25  <vasild> ok, sipa, aj, thanks for the explanations!
120 2020-03-24T07:24:03  <sipa> vasild: yw!
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122 2020-03-24T07:37:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] pierreN opened pull request #18416: Prevent num op overflows in ParseScript() helper (master...fix-parsescript-numop-overflow) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18416
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164 2020-03-24T13:22:53  <fjahr> sipa: when you looked into single block *.blk files did you also think about concatenating these to a larger file at a certain depth? At least there would not be too many small files or were there other issues caused by the file system? Just curious.
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168 2020-03-24T13:45:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #18417: tests: Add fuzzing harnesses for functions in addrdb.h, net_permissions.h and timedata.h (master...fuzzers-misc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18417
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183 2020-03-24T15:13:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #18418: wallet: Increase OUTPUT_GROUP_MAX_ENTRIES to 100 (master...groups100) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18418
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186 2020-03-24T15:14:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ac579ada7e83...98fbb2a1844a
187 2020-03-24T15:14:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5aab011 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: add unit test for non-standard "scriptsig-not-pushonly" txs
188 2020-03-24T15:14:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 98fbb2a MarcoFalke: Merge #17720: test: add unit test for non-standard "scriptsig-not-pushonly...
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191 2020-03-24T15:14:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17720: test: add unit test for non-standard "scriptsig-not-pushonly" txs (master...20191211-test-check-for-non-standard-txs-with-non-push-scriptsig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17720
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196 2020-03-24T15:21:00  <sipa> fjahr: no, i didn't
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204 2020-03-24T15:36:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/98fbb2a1844a...5236b2e267a5
205 2020-03-24T15:36:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a8695db practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for functions in addrdb.h
206 2020-03-24T15:36:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 43ff0d9 practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for functions in timedata.h
207 2020-03-24T15:36:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4308aa6 practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for functions in net_permissions.h
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210 2020-03-24T15:37:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18417: tests: Add fuzzing harnesses for functions in addrdb.h, net_permissions.h and timedata.h (master...fuzzers-misc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18417
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220 2020-03-24T15:52:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #18420: test: listsinceblock block height checks (master...listsinceblock-block-height-checks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18420
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225 2020-03-24T15:58:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] naumenkogs opened pull request #18421: Periodically update DNS caches for better privacy of non reachable-nodes (master...2020_03_dns_cache_update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18421
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239 2020-03-24T16:42:12  <achow101> is anyone else missing bitcoin/bitcoin on the travis.org sidebar (under My Repositories)?
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242 2020-03-24T16:47:03  <achow101> oh, it looks like i've lost access to our travis stuff. no longer have the option to restart things. also lost access to HWI's travis
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248 2020-03-24T16:58:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #18422: [consensus] MOVEONLY: Move single-sig checking EvalScript code to EvalChecksig (master...2020-03-evalchecksig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18422
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256 2020-03-24T17:09:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #18423: tests: Add fuzzing harness for classes/functions in blockfilter.h. Add integer {de,}serialization fuzzing. (master...fuzzers-misc-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18423
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295 2020-03-24T18:33:46  <ryanofsky> I also lost travis access. related: anybody seen "Mempool sync timed out" from mempool_reorg.py? https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/666384343
296 2020-03-24T18:34:48  <sipa> ryanofsky: yeah i've seen that a few times the past few days
297 2020-03-24T18:35:01  <sipa> i'm still able to restart travis jobs it seems
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300 2020-03-24T18:44:09  <ryanofsky> Thanks, signing out and in fixed it on my end too, also found https://www.traviscistatus.com/incidents/ntxbkxt8lrx9
301 2020-03-24T18:47:42  <wumpus> looks like i still have access to travis for bitcoin/bitcoin
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331 2020-03-24T20:57:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #18424: qt: Use parent-child relation to manage lifetime of OptionsModel object (master...20200324-options-model) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18424
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334 2020-03-24T20:59:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #18425: releases: Update with new Windows code signing certificate (master...win-cert-3-20) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18425
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351 2020-03-24T22:20:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #18426: scripts: previous_release: improve behaviour on failed download (master...20200324-scripts-previous-release-show-error-message-if-download-fails) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18426
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