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  5 2020-08-20T00:41:17  <midnight> luke-jr: My little baby-PR is sitting waiting for author. This implies you're waiting for me to correct the bits suggested in the PR and push to my PR branch..?
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  8 2020-08-20T00:46:11  <luke-jr> midnight: which PR is that?
  9 2020-08-20T00:52:51  <midnight> luke-jr: #19430 I think
 10 2020-08-20T00:52:54  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19430 | build: configure.ac and netbsd-build.md for NetBSD by midnightmagic · Pull Request #19430 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 11 2020-08-20T00:54:07  <midnight> So I *think* all that's left is to address wumpus' request that I re-arrange the ./configure invocation..
 12 2020-08-20T00:54:20  <luke-jr> and rebase
 13 2020-08-20T00:54:22  <midnight> (In the netbsd build doc)
 14 2020-08-20T00:54:24  <midnight> k.
 15 2020-08-20T00:54:31  <luke-jr> note #19614 is merged and probably affects it
 16 2020-08-20T00:54:33  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19614 | util: use HAVE_FDATASYNC to determine fdatasync() use by fanquake · Pull Request #19614 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 17 2020-08-20T00:54:34  <luke-jr> mayeb silently
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 19 2020-08-20T00:56:42  <midnight> likely not, as 19430 disables it on NetBSD. Likely it can be re-enabled in the future if leveldb upstream ever corrects the invocation on a directory but right now it basically just has to be disabled on NetBSD..
 20 2020-08-20T00:57:20  <midnight> So..  actually I think that corrects it more thoroughly.
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 22 2020-08-20T00:57:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9b30126545d...44f66d2f10cb
 23 2020-08-20T00:57:23  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 333329d MarcoFalke: doc: Fix getmempoolancestor RPC result doc
 24 2020-08-20T00:57:23  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 44f66d2 fanquake: Merge #19765: doc: Fix getmempoolancestors RPC result doc
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 27 2020-08-20T00:57:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19765: doc: Fix getmempoolancestors RPC result doc (master...2008-rpcDoc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19765
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 29 2020-08-20T00:58:26  <midnight> Hrm..  no wait that's on a file. Apologies, you're correct.
 30 2020-08-20T01:00:45  <sipa> midnight: do you have power9 hardware?
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 45 2020-08-20T02:17:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/44f66d2f10cb...70d7ddbcbbea
 46 2020-08-20T02:17:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 45cf55c Dhruv Mehta: test: remove `CNodeNoVersionMisbehavior` from p2p_leak.py
 47 2020-08-20T02:17:59  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f6f082b Dhruv Mehta: test: remove `CNodeNoVersionIdle` from p2p_leak.py
 48 2020-08-20T02:18:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ed5cd12 Dhruv Mehta: test: Distinguish between nodes(bitcoind) and peers(mininodes) in p2p_leak...
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 51 2020-08-20T02:18:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19727: test: Remove unused classes from p2p_leak.py (master...test-p2p-leak) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19727
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 75 2020-08-20T03:25:38  <kallewoof> sipa: don't wanna derail the thread, but in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19628#discussion_r473522167 you are saying it's UB, but if I read your code, the only difference is that you cast `a` to a uint8_t* in the `memcpy` call; or are you referring to my second option without `memcpy`?
 76 2020-08-20T03:26:02  <sipa> kallewoof: casting any pointer to uint8_t* is allowed
 77 2020-08-20T03:26:06  <sipa> the other direction isn't
 78 2020-08-20T03:26:30  <kallewoof> freaky. i never realized casting something would have beyond-compile-time consequences
 79 2020-08-20T03:27:00  <sipa> kallewoof: you should think of memory as a bunch of objects, and those objects have a strict type
 80 2020-08-20T03:27:05  <sipa> memory is NOT a byte array
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 82 2020-08-20T03:27:16  <sipa> you can access those objects through compatible pointers
 83 2020-08-20T03:27:57  <sipa> which are either the right type for the object they're pointing to (possibly with const added, or supertypes if inheritance is involved, or a few more things), OR char* OR unsigned char*
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 85 2020-08-20T03:28:21  <midnight> sipa: I sure do, yes. Two of them. The second one I'm just in the process of carefully rebuilding from PNOR/BMC up to self-built OS (FreeBSD in this case.)
 86 2020-08-20T03:29:48  <midnight> Hundreds of GB RAM, and hundreds of TB of drive storage in the arrays attached to them (to greater or lesser degree.) One of them has a 4x NVMe array for speed tests, and they both have some nice SSD sprinkled around..
 87 2020-08-20T03:30:33  <sipa> midnight: luke-jr was asking about PRs for power9 support, maybe you can test things
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 92 2020-08-20T03:37:25  <midnight> I can try. :)
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 94 2020-08-20T03:39:26  <kallewoof> sipa: i understand what you're saying, but i'm still not entirely clear on how casting a uint32_t to a uint8_t[] would change how memcpy behaves. googling around i come up with stuff about strict aliasing which seems unrelated.
 95 2020-08-20T03:41:01  <sipa> kallewoof: what?
 96 2020-08-20T03:41:05  <sipa> memcpy has nothing to do with i
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 98 2020-08-20T03:41:28  <sipa> you can't have an object of type uint8_t[], and then tell the compiler to pretend it's a uint32_t*
 99 2020-08-20T03:41:43  <kallewoof> i thought you said memcpy((uint8_t*)&a, ...) was fine but memcpy(&a, ...) was UB
100 2020-08-20T03:41:53  <sipa> no
101 2020-08-20T03:42:43  <sipa> `uint32_t a = *(uint32_t*)m_addr.data();` is UB
102 2020-08-20T03:42:57  <kallewoof> that explains my confusion. okay, cool
103 2020-08-20T03:43:00  <sipa> sorry if that wasn't clear!
104 2020-08-20T03:43:44  <kallewoof> all good!
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126 2020-08-20T04:45:48  <kallewoof> I think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18267 is close to merge ready
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129 2020-08-20T04:51:48  <shesek> it seems like `getblockstats`'s `txs` field does count the coinbase, despite the documentation saying otherwise? `bitcoin-cli getblockstats 644498 '["txs"]'` returns 1
130 2020-08-20T04:51:58  <shesek> the docs describe the field as "The number of transactions (excluding coinbase)"
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133 2020-08-20T04:52:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #14066: gitian-linux: Build binaries for 64-bit POWER (master...gitian_power64) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14066
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135 2020-08-20T04:52:48  <sipa> #18267
136 2020-08-20T04:52:51  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18267 | BIP-325: Signet [consensus] by kallewoof · Pull Request #18267 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
137 2020-08-20T04:53:39  <kallewoof> shesek: yeah it does include the coinbase:     ret_all.pushKV("txs", (int64_t)block.vtx.size());
138 2020-08-20T04:54:29  <kallewoof> sipa: BIP-325: Signet [consensus] #18267
139 2020-08-20T04:54:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18267 | BIP-325: Signet [consensus] by kallewoof · Pull Request #18267 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
140 2020-08-20T04:55:34  <sipa> indeed, i wonder why it claims "(excludes coinbase)"
141 2020-08-20T04:55:54  <shesek> filed an issue at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19766
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143 2020-08-20T04:56:12  <shesek> #19766
144 2020-08-20T04:56:13  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19766 | getblockstatss txs field is incorrectly documented as excluding the coinbase transaction · Issue #19766 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
145 2020-08-20T04:58:06  <shesek> sipa, total_size does exclude it, maybe this got confused somehow?
146 2020-08-20T04:58:59  <shesek> which itself seems somewhat unexpected, and inconsistent with the `getblock` size field
147 2020-08-20T04:59:22  <sipa> yeah, that's weird
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150 2020-08-20T05:00:38  <luke-jr>     ret_all.pushKV("avgtxsize", (block.vtx.size() > 1) ? total_size / (block.vtx.size() - 1) : 0);
151 2020-08-20T05:00:42  <luke-jr> _that_ is weird
152 2020-08-20T05:01:32  <luke-jr> oh, it's actually measuring size manually (and does actually exclude the generation)
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306 2020-08-20T09:36:33  <jonatack> shesek: rebased PR 19405 per our irc discussion yesterday http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/log-2020-08-19.html#l-375
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386 2020-08-20T12:14:46  <shesek> jonatack, very nice, thank you!
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456 2020-08-20T14:00:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/70d7ddbcbbea...27eeb0337b08
457 2020-08-20T14:00:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 667bc7a Fabian Jahr: rpc: Add getindexinfo RPC
458 2020-08-20T14:00:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c447b09 Fabian Jahr: test: Add tests for getindexinfo RPC
459 2020-08-20T14:00:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 124e1ee Fabian Jahr: doc: Add release notes for getindexinfo RPC
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462 2020-08-20T14:01:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19550: rpc: Add getindexinfo RPC (master...index_rpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19550
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484 2020-08-20T14:49:51  <fjahr> Review beg for #19601, would be good to get it in both for #17977 and #19055. It has two ACKs but went a bit stale the last 2 weeks.
485 2020-08-20T14:49:53  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19601 | Refactoring CHashWriter & Get{Prevouts,Sequence,Outputs}Hash to SHA256 (Alternative to #18071) by JeremyRubin · Pull Request #19601 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
486 2020-08-20T14:49:57  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17977 | Implement BIP 340-342 validation (Schnorr/taproot/tapscript) by sipa · Pull Request #17977 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
487 2020-08-20T14:50:00  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19055 | Add MuHash3072 implementation by fjahr · Pull Request #19055 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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534 2020-08-20T16:47:14  <theStack> is anyone here familiar with BIP 152? i try to understand the impact of receiving a sendcmpct(0) message ("low bandwidth relaying") from a peer
535 2020-08-20T16:47:43  <theStack> looking at the code, it seems that a node happily serves cmpctblocks as response to getdata(CMPCT), even without having received sendcmpct(0) before
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537 2020-08-20T16:48:59  <theStack> so the only purpose of sendcmpct(0) is deactivating a previous sendcmpct(1) -- what did i miss?
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540 2020-08-20T16:55:11  <instagibbs> theStack, IIRC "low bandwidth" means you are telling peer to only send headers, then you can respond with a getdata for the cmpctblk
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542 2020-08-20T16:55:25  <instagibbs> high bandwidth means just send the compact version
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544 2020-08-20T16:56:21  <satoshin> Hello
545 2020-08-20T16:57:03  <satoshin> the bitcoincore.org website is legit? I mean it is owned by core developers or it is just a stunt?
546 2020-08-20T16:57:42  <satoshin> I own the https://bitcoin.foundation website and wish to create a list of core developers
547 2020-08-20T16:59:10  <theStack> instagibbs: okay, i was just wondering if nodes that never received sendcmpct(0) should reply to getdata for cmpctblks or not
548 2020-08-20T16:59:31  <theStack> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0152/protocol-flow.png <- it seems like the right case (C) works without the "sendcmpct(0)" as well
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551 2020-08-20T17:04:26  <satoshin> I actually trying to figure out the way to not to have Bitcoin node on public IP addresses at all. The real problem with Bitcoin is that nodes are stored on a IP address and not on devices of the participants. I did created a fork of ZeroNet (https://zeronet.io) but I did failed to share the blockchain between two nodes on this network.
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554 2020-08-20T17:05:38  <luke-jr> satoshin: soliciting donations on behalf of people without their knowledge or permission looks pretty scammy
555 2020-08-20T17:06:02  <satoshin> luke-jr what are you talking about?
556 2020-08-20T17:06:44  <luke-jr> satoshin: "Donate Bitcoin to the Bitcoin Foundation by sending Bitcoin donations to the Human Rights Foundation."
557 2020-08-20T17:07:01  <satoshin> That is correct
558 2020-08-20T17:07:05  <luke-jr> no, it isn't
559 2020-08-20T17:07:26  <satoshin> and why you think that?
560 2020-08-20T17:07:34  <luke-jr> well, first of all, you're not the Bitcoin Foundation
561 2020-08-20T17:07:45  <luke-jr> the Bitcoin Foundation's website is https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
562 2020-08-20T17:07:51  <satoshin> lol
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564 2020-08-20T17:08:03  <satoshin> You talk about the real scammers bother
565 2020-08-20T17:08:06  <luke-jr> secondly, IIRC this "Human Rights Foundation" is itself a scam?
566 2020-08-20T17:08:18  <satoshin> We are a Swiss human rights organization
567 2020-08-20T17:08:19  <luke-jr> the legitimacy or not of the Bitcoin Foundation is debatable, but they are the entity
568 2020-08-20T17:08:26  <satoshin> and we do accept Bitcoin for years pulicly
569 2020-08-20T17:08:54  <satoshin> the New York based ultra right-wing hrf in the other hand started they website for Bitcoin to attack our finances
570 2020-08-20T17:09:31  <satoshin> https://web.archive.org/*/hrf.org/donate-bitcoin is started in March of 2019 after that they failed to bully us with trademarks in EU and USA
571 2020-08-20T17:09:56  <sipa> please, take this elsewhere
572 2020-08-20T17:10:08  <sipa> this channel is for technical discussion on bitcoin core development
573 2020-08-20T17:10:11  <satoshin> Better just not talk about
574 2020-08-20T17:10:15  <satoshin> I know sipa
575 2020-08-20T17:10:28  <satoshin> so I come here for a full list of code developers
576 2020-08-20T17:10:37  <satoshin> can you give me that list?
577 2020-08-20T17:10:43  <satoshin> core*
578 2020-08-20T17:10:44  <achow101> satoshin: look at github
579 2020-08-20T17:10:48  <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors
580 2020-08-20T17:11:31  <satoshin> Thank you
581 2020-08-20T17:11:51  <sipa> for questions on how to use bitcoin core like your question above, i suggest https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com (some people here including me are pretty active there)
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583 2020-08-20T17:12:33  <satoshin> I also would like to ask why a peer-to-peer software is developed on a centralized (censorable) network like GitHub.com we can't have something else which is not subject of abuse?
584 2020-08-20T17:13:43  <achow101> because decentralized code repos don't work
585 2020-08-20T17:13:56  <luke-jr> sorry, thought this was #bitcoin
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587 2020-08-20T17:15:20  <satoshin> is not true https://github.com/imachug/gitcenter this is hosted on ZeroNet achow101 do is definitelly possible to develop software on a truly peer-to-peer network
588 2020-08-20T17:16:00  <luke-jr> … that's a GitHub link
589 2020-08-20T17:16:10  <achow101> and now you have restricted development to the 5 people willing to set it up
590 2020-08-20T17:16:32  <sipa> satoshin: it's a good question, and something we have discussed before - but ultimately, we don't strongly rely on github - git repositories can easily be moved
591 2020-08-20T17:16:33  <satoshin> http://127.0.0.1:43110/1GitLiXB6t5r8vuU2zC6a8GYj9ME6HMQ4t/ <--- ZeroNet link
592 2020-08-20T17:16:40  <elichai2> Is there any reason *not* to use std::array?
593 2020-08-20T17:16:46  <luke-jr> satoshin: connection refused
594 2020-08-20T17:17:00  <sipa> and github's ecosystem is very valuable for gathering participation
595 2020-08-20T17:17:13  <satoshin> because it is pointed to localhost port 43110 which is requires you to install ZeroNet
596 2020-08-20T17:17:23  <luke-jr> ZeroNet doesn't appear to even be available for Gentoo
597 2020-08-20T17:17:37  <satoshin> it is written in python
598 2020-08-20T17:17:44  <satoshin> you can run even on Android
599 2020-08-20T17:18:02  <sipa> we're not going to make contributors participate through zeronet
600 2020-08-20T17:18:03  <sipa> sorry
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602 2020-08-20T17:18:32  <satoshin> this sounded very authoritarian sipa
603 2020-08-20T17:19:07  <sipa> there are legitimate concerns about github's centralization, and we have to be watchful for those
604 2020-08-20T17:19:14  <sipa> but this discussion isn't helpful
605 2020-08-20T17:19:17  <luke-jr> ZeroNet doesn't even look decentralised
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607 2020-08-20T17:19:36  <achow101> the more steps it takes to get new people to contribute means that there will be fewer contributors. we need more people to contribute and making it more difficult to contribute in the name of decentralization is not helpful
608 2020-08-20T17:19:52  <satoshin> you basically saying we not going to develop a peer-to-peer electronic cash system on a peer-to-peer network which is absurd in my opinion. you make a decision about where Bitcoin will be developed like you own the copyright to Bitcoin or something
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610 2020-08-20T17:20:15  <elichai2> (trying to figure out why will people use fresh hell code like `void f(uint8_t (&arr)[N])`)
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612 2020-08-20T17:20:30  <satoshin> Copyright (c) 2009 Satoshi NakamotoPermission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copyof this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to dealin the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rightsto use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sellcopies of the
613 2020-08-20T17:20:30  <satoshin> Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software isfurnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included inall copies or substantial portions of the Software.THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS ORIMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO
614 2020-08-20T17:20:31  <satoshin> THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THEAUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHERLIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS INTHE SOFTWARE.
615 2020-08-20T17:20:35  <achow101> sipa is stating a fact, not making a decision
616 2020-08-20T17:20:45  <satoshin> This is from bitcoin version 0.1.0
617 2020-08-20T17:20:58  <sipa> satoshin: we have discussed alternatives for github many times among contributors and maintainers
618 2020-08-20T17:20:59  * luke-jr goes to figure out why #19614 seems to be completely broken and merged
619 2020-08-20T17:21:01  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19614 | util: use HAVE_FDATASYNC to determine fdatasync() use by fanquake · Pull Request #19614 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
620 2020-08-20T17:21:21  <sipa> satoshin: copyright has nothing to do with it, you are free to create your own branch that you maintain anywhere
621 2020-08-20T17:21:45  <sipa> elichai2: that's a good question...
622 2020-08-20T17:21:54  <satoshin> That is correct but feels very restricted to contribute to the core
623 2020-08-20T17:22:22  <luke-jr> satoshin: I am happy to open pull requests for any contributors who don't want to sign up for GitHub
624 2020-08-20T17:22:33  <phantomcircuit> satoshin, please don't copy paste things like that
625 2020-08-20T17:23:19  <satoshin> okay
626 2020-08-20T17:23:43  <sipa> elichai2: i could imagine that there is a use for accepting string literals of compile-time known length
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628 2020-08-20T17:23:55  <sipa> and interaction with legacy code, i guess
629 2020-08-20T17:25:49  <sipa> satoshin: as luke said, if somehow github isn't an option for whatever reason for someone who wants to contribute, you're always welcome to use email or other mechanisms to send a patch to other contributors, or maintainers
630 2020-08-20T17:26:18  <satoshin> I also uploaded the Bitcoin white paper dating from October 3 2008 to here: https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-a-peer-to-peer-electronic-cash-system I was astonished that this is not shared on bitcoin.org! What I uploaded to archive is what Satoshi Nakamoto announced on https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html and
631 2020-08-20T17:26:19  <satoshin> not what shared on bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
632 2020-08-20T17:26:21  <sipa> if that were needed on a regular basis, that would be a good reason to reconsider the use of github to host things
633 2020-08-20T17:26:48  <sipa> satoshin: open an issue: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org
634 2020-08-20T17:27:13  <achow101> satoshin: it's right here: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
635 2020-08-20T17:27:30  <achow101> literally the same url as in the email
636 2020-08-20T17:27:33  <satoshin> that is not the original white paper archow101
637 2020-08-20T17:27:51  <sipa> (bitcoin.org is owned and operated indepedently from the bitcoin core project)
638 2020-08-20T17:27:52  <harding> achow101: I think he means that the papers differ.  Nakamoto edited the version served from Bitcoin.org at some point.
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640 2020-08-20T17:28:28  <elichai2> sipa: yeah compile time length string literals is nice
641 2020-08-20T17:28:33  <satoshin> Exactly. The white paper which is quoted in https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html is here: https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-a-peer-to-peer-electronic-cash-system
642 2020-08-20T17:28:51  <sipa> satoshin: getting very off topic
643 2020-08-20T17:29:13  <satoshin> Fine, I go open that issue on https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org
644 2020-08-20T17:30:02  <satoshin> They don't have IRC channel?
645 2020-08-20T17:30:18  <theStack> just out of curiosity, what is the difference in the whitepaper versions? e-mail seems different
646 2020-08-20T17:30:21  <sipa> i don't know
647 2020-08-20T17:31:50  <satoshin> theStack there are some differences if you read it, even page number differs not to mention the creation date which is October 3 2008 weeks before he announced it
648 2020-08-20T17:34:05  <satoshin> Actually at one point https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-a-peer-to-peer-electronic-cash-system was uploaded to Bitcoin.org according to his announcement. I actaully do have Bitcoin v 0.1.0 also which is compressed by Satoshi for release on 7 January 2009, 4 days after the genesis block.
649 2020-08-20T17:34:56  <harding> For Bitcoin nostalgia, #bitcoin is a better room.
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652 2020-08-20T17:41:41  <satoshin> Just to be clear actually Satoshi made a mistake in January of 2009 and I was able to track him down. I know who is him. He is over 50 now, lives in the UK and has children. He also loves Sushi. Beleive me I do know who is Satoshi Nakamoto and I can tell you that much that the Bitcoin white paper was not his first white paper. I did tested all his
653 2020-08-20T17:41:41  <satoshin> publications with JGAAP (Java Graphical Authorship Attribution Program) and it is confirmed that he wrote the Bitcoin white paper. Satoshi made a huge mistake when started promoting Bitcoin with Hal Finney and this allowed me Zoltan Konder to track him down. I will announce his identity on https://bitcoin.foundation in the coming days!
654 2020-08-20T17:44:21  <satoshin> If you want to know before who is Satoshi Nakamoto or you think is the best to not to share his identity I would like to read your arguments by email: contact@bitcoin.foundation (Satoshi Nakamoto is one person and he still lives until this day in the UK) I swear to God. Again the real reason why he used a Japanese name is because he loves Sushi! :)
655 2020-08-20T17:44:22  <satoshin> Which is kind of funny.
656 2020-08-20T17:44:46  <sipa> please leave, now
657 2020-08-20T17:45:50  <satoshin> LOL you afraid that Satoshi Nakamot returns sipa and your fame ends? Well that exactly going to happen my friend. I do know who is him and you my friend will go to the trash.. you become useless right after the entire world will know his name
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660 2020-08-20T17:48:40  <luke-jr> so fyi, fdatasync is broken in master until #14501 is merged
661 2020-08-20T17:48:41  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14501 | Fix possible data race when committing block files by luke-jr · Pull Request #14501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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667 2020-08-20T17:53:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #15421: torcontrol: Launch a private Tor instance when not already running (master...tor_subprocess) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15421
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678 2020-08-20T18:15:34  <jeremyrubin> Anyone have any opinions on standardizing (I know, I know... build first then standardize) some different ways to refer to TXID?
679 2020-08-20T18:16:06  <jeremyrubin> It might be kinda nice for human I/O to have something that is encoded in fewer chars with error correcting
680 2020-08-20T18:16:20  <jeremyrubin> and can refer to either a TXID or an outpoint in the same length
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683 2020-08-20T18:17:42  <jeremyrubin> you could imagine using a bech format to encode these.
684 2020-08-20T18:18:15  <jeremyrubin> Supporting software would have to keep a larger index around for full support
685 2020-08-20T18:20:28  <sipa> what do you mean by fewer chars?
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687 2020-08-20T18:22:49  <jeremyrubin> E.g., a TXID hex encoded is 64 characters
688 2020-08-20T18:23:19  <jeremyrubin> a COutpoint hex encoded is 72 characters
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690 2020-08-20T18:30:14  <jeremyrubin> using a bech32 encoding would be shorter than hex and you'd get error correction
691 2020-08-20T18:30:46  <sipa> it'd be 60 characters with bech32 at least
692 2020-08-20T18:31:00  <sipa> and it's not really designed for error correction
693 2020-08-20T18:31:09  <jeremyrubin> err detection
694 2020-08-20T18:31:32  <sipa> i feel it's one of those things that's just a decade too late to change
695 2020-08-20T18:31:53  <sipa> it would have made sense, but adding a new format now is just going to confuse everyone
696 2020-08-20T18:33:51  <luke-jr> woohoo #17356 is now hack-free
697 2020-08-20T18:33:53  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17356 | RPC: Internal named params by luke-jr · Pull Request #17356 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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699 2020-08-20T18:37:07  <jeremyrubin> sipa: do we even have any standard format for TXIDs/COutpoints?
700 2020-08-20T18:37:21  <sipa> for txids, definitely
701 2020-08-20T18:37:44  <sipa> outpoints less so i think; some places use txid-idx, some places used txid:idx
702 2020-08-20T18:38:48  <jeremyrubin> And are idxs hex encoded or integer?
703 2020-08-20T18:39:04  <sipa> decimal, iirc
704 2020-08-20T18:39:13  <jeremyrubin> lol
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707 2020-08-20T18:40:12  <jeremyrubin> so might not be too late to do a std format for outpoints if it's a split ecosystem (motivation -- I was looking for how to properly handle user input and didn't have anything to go on)
708 2020-08-20T18:40:16  <wumpus> is there a way we can make "good first issue" only available for frequent contributors?
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710 2020-08-20T18:40:34  <wumpus> people are using it for everything it's kind of getting out of hand https://twitter.com/GoodFirstIssues
711 2020-08-20T18:40:53  <jeremyrubin> available? visisble? taggable?
712 2020-08-20T18:41:14  <wumpus> yes
713 2020-08-20T18:41:24  <jeremyrubin> not sure what you're asking
714 2020-08-20T18:41:30  <jeremyrubin> Only frequent comitters can solve them?
715 2020-08-20T18:41:34  <wumpus> to be able to make issues like that
716 2020-08-20T18:41:57  <sipa> wumpus: or make the bot only report them if they come from frequent contributors?
717 2020-08-20T18:42:12  <wumpus> yes, that would be another possibility
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719 2020-08-20T18:42:21  <jeremyrubin> sounds like a good first issue to fix the bot
720 2020-08-20T18:42:41  <wumpus> but it would be better to just hide the option I think, non-contributors don't know what it's for
721 2020-08-20T18:43:53  <sipa> where are the available labels even configured?
722 2020-08-20T18:44:18  <sipa> ah https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/labels
723 2020-08-20T18:44:19  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/good_first_issue.md
724 2020-08-20T18:45:09  <wumpus> but I guess there's no way to set permissions
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726 2020-08-20T18:45:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #19770: RPC: getpeerinfo: Deprecate "whitelisted" field (replaced by "permissions") (master...deprecate_whitelisted) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19770
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728 2020-08-20T18:45:33  <sipa> can we perhaps remove the "good first issue" label from that template?
729 2020-08-20T18:45:44  <sipa> and have it be assigned by maintainers instead of it's not bogus
730 2020-08-20T18:45:48  <sipa> ... more manual work though :s
731 2020-08-20T18:46:05  <wumpus> hmm maybe that might be the best compromise
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733 2020-08-20T18:50:23  <sipa> what are permissions on labels, actually?
734 2020-08-20T18:50:32  <sipa> can someone who opens an issue set them arbitrarily?
735 2020-08-20T18:52:21  <luke-jr> I don't think I can change labels :/
736 2020-08-20T18:52:24  <luke-jr> quite annoying tbh
737 2020-08-20T18:52:42  <luke-jr> at least I don't see any way to do it
738 2020-08-20T18:52:46  <sipa> oh, ok, so the issue is just that the template comes with a preset label
739 2020-08-20T18:53:46  <luke-jr> is there a reason to have a template for good first issue?
740 2020-08-20T18:54:00  <luke-jr> doesn't seem like soemthing an issue opener would typically be qualified to evaluate
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743 2020-08-20T18:57:33  <wumpus> it's just for convenience, to have form items necessary to be filled in for a good first issue
744 2020-08-20T18:58:38  <wumpus> and yes for normal label setting (that doesn't come with a template) it's restricted to people with 'triage' permission IIRC
745 2020-08-20T18:59:18  <luke-jr> oh, it's separate from commit?
746 2020-08-20T18:59:42  <luke-jr> any reason not to just give access to everyone usual then?
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748 2020-08-20T19:00:29  <wumpus> yes there is a permission between 'read' and 'write' which is enough to change labels but not enough to commit to the repository (unfortunately, "write" is still required to put issues in projects)
749 2020-08-20T19:00:47  <wumpus> #startmeeting
750 2020-08-20T19:00:47  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 20 19:00:47 2020 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
751 2020-08-20T19:00:47  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
752 2020-08-20T19:00:50  <jnewbery> hi
753 2020-08-20T19:00:51  <jonasschnelli> hi
754 2020-08-20T19:00:51  <kanzure> hi
755 2020-08-20T19:00:52  <sipa> hi
756 2020-08-20T19:00:52  <ariard> hi
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758 2020-08-20T19:00:53  <troygiorshev> hi
759 2020-08-20T19:00:53  <hebasto> hi
760 2020-08-20T19:00:54  <sipsorcery> hi
761 2020-08-20T19:00:56  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball kvaciral ariard digi_james
762 2020-08-20T19:00:58  <wumpus> amiti fjahr jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 elichai2
763 2020-08-20T19:01:02  <achow101> hi
764 2020-08-20T19:01:06  <luke-jr> wow, those 'hi's seem coordinated
765 2020-08-20T19:01:07  <instagibbs> hi
766 2020-08-20T19:01:14  <fjahr> hi
767 2020-08-20T19:01:18  <luke-jr> did someone make a cronjob to 'hi'?
768 2020-08-20T19:01:20  <sipa> we were all waiting wumpus to ring the bell
769 2020-08-20T19:01:25  <luke-jr> heh
770 2020-08-20T19:01:31  <amiti> hi
771 2020-08-20T19:01:32  <wumpus> there have been no proposed topics this week, any last minute ones?
772 2020-08-20T19:01:34  <wumpus> hehe
773 2020-08-20T19:01:38  <jamesob> hi
774 2020-08-20T19:01:50  <luke-jr> wumpus: maybe giving everyone triage is worth a discussion? shrug
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776 2020-08-20T19:02:06  <wumpus> nah
777 2020-08-20T19:03:02  <elichai2> hi
778 2020-08-20T19:03:08  <ajonas> hi
779 2020-08-20T19:03:41  <wumpus> I think it will only be confusing if everyone adds "needs backport" labels and such, I don't think we have any problkem with labeling, usually fanquake is fast enough that by the time I click the link here an issue is already labeled
780 2020-08-20T19:03:59  <wumpus> xD
781 2020-08-20T19:04:25  <sipa> i have the same impression, and i'm in a completely different timezone...
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783 2020-08-20T19:05:03  <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
784 2020-08-20T19:05:06  <jeremyrubin> hi
785 2020-08-20T19:05:26  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 there's 10 blockers, a bugfix and 3 chasing concept ACK
786 2020-08-20T19:05:42  <wumpus> is there anything you want to add or remove or replace?
787 2020-08-20T19:05:44  <hebasto> please replace #18710 with #19710 as the former is based on the latter now
788 2020-08-20T19:05:47  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18710 | Add local thread pool to CCheckQueue by hebasto · Pull Request #18710 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
789 2020-08-20T19:05:48  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19710 | bench: Prevent thread oversubscription and decreases the variance of result values by hebasto · Pull Request #19710 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
790 2020-08-20T19:06:41  <achow101> Since #19077 is waiting on #19619, replace it with that?
791 2020-08-20T19:06:47  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19619 | Remove wallet.dat path handling from wallet.cpp, rpcwallet.cpp by ryanofsky · Pull Request #19619 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
792 2020-08-20T19:06:49  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19077 | wallet: Add sqlite as an alternative wallet database and use it for new descriptor wallets by achow101 · Pull Request #19077 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
793 2020-08-20T19:06:55  <wumpus> hebasto: done
794 2020-08-20T19:07:00  <hebasto> thanks
795 2020-08-20T19:07:42  <luke-jr> #14501 might be a candidate
796 2020-08-20T19:07:44  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14501 | Fix possible data race when committing block files by luke-jr · Pull Request #14501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
797 2020-08-20T19:07:45  <jnewbery> wumpus: I believe people with the inbetween permission can move PRs and issues in and out of projects
798 2020-08-20T19:07:49  <wumpus> achow101: done
799 2020-08-20T19:07:56  <luke-jr> especially since we have a regression in master that is now fixes
800 2020-08-20T19:08:19  <wumpus> jnewbery: not with triage last time we checked! might have changed ofc
801 2020-08-20T19:09:25  <wumpus> luke-jr: ok added
802 2020-08-20T19:10:37  <wumpus> any other topics?
803 2020-08-20T19:11:32  <wumpus> #endmeeting
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808 2020-08-20T19:14:28  <michaelfolkson> What is the thinking around any other topics? Is it literally throw anything out there and people can leave if they want or should topics be of interest to most attendees so that we value everyone's time?
809 2020-08-20T19:14:51  <luke-jr> depends on how many topics we have I think
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811 2020-08-20T19:15:17  <michaelfolkson> Ok that's fair
812 2020-08-20T19:16:37  <achow101> IMO an "any other topics" that's at the start of a meeting is an invitation to talk about almost anything
813 2020-08-20T19:17:00  <achow101> at the end of the meeting, it's more of "something important that we should discuss"
814 2020-08-20T19:18:04  <michaelfolkson> To throw some things out there then we were discussing switching from Qt widget to Qt QML on the GUI. This would bloat the binary so interested in whether this is most likely an overall Concept NACK (that was our guess)
815 2020-08-20T19:18:14  <wumpus> as long as it has to doe with bitcoin core development, preferably something you're working on, it's okay
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817 2020-08-20T19:19:54  <wumpus> I don't have any principled issues about it, if you can demonstrate a better UI using QML, I think it's okay
818 2020-08-20T19:20:10  <wumpus> please don't do it if you just want an animated bitcoin logo or something
819 2020-08-20T19:20:48  <wumpus> like the increase of binary size of dependencies needs to be worth the improvement in UX
820 2020-08-20T19:21:05  <michaelfolkson> Yeah understood. May not pursue it but it is useful sometimes to put feelers out and see whether something is a clear Concept NACK or not
821 2020-08-20T19:21:15  <achow101> michaelfolkson: is there a relevant issue that has some existing discussion?
822 2020-08-20T19:21:16  <wumpus> and not just 'fancyness'
823 2020-08-20T19:21:29  <achow101> what are the benefits of QML?
824 2020-08-20T19:21:43  <michaelfolkson> The GUI discussion is just getting started so no not yet achow101
825 2020-08-20T19:21:48  <wumpus> see #16883 I think
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827 2020-08-20T19:21:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16883 | WIP: Qt: add QML based mobile GUI by icota · Pull Request #16883 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
828 2020-08-20T19:22:01  <wumpus> it's better suited for mobile atleast
829 2020-08-20T19:22:37  <michaelfolkson> On the call with some potential new contributors (designers) just trying to work out exactly what the constraints were likely to be
830 2020-08-20T19:23:22  <michaelfolkson> I won't name people at this stage but one designer had a lot of experience with QML
831 2020-08-20T19:23:23  <wumpus> qt widgets are very oldschool desktop, it's almost impossible to use them on android conveniently for example
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833 2020-08-20T19:23:42  <achow101> ah, so it makes it look like we're an electron app :p
834 2020-08-20T19:24:02  <wumpus> it's definitely much more efficient than electron
835 2020-08-20T19:24:09  <luke-jr> wumpus: is there an actual reason for that, or just Qt not implementing mobile for widgets, preferring to rewrite GUI logic for QML? <.<
836 2020-08-20T19:24:20  <luke-jr> does QML require a JS engine?
837 2020-08-20T19:24:37  <michaelfolkson> Yeah as I understand
838 2020-08-20T19:24:39  <wumpus> QML is used in a lot of embedded systems like kiosks and in-flight entertainment systems etc
839 2020-08-20T19:24:45  <wumpus> yes, I think so
840 2020-08-20T19:24:59  <luke-jr> ugh
841 2020-08-20T19:25:55  <sipa> is it really a JS engine?
842 2020-08-20T19:26:02  <sipa> or is it compiled to C++?
843 2020-08-20T19:26:12  <wumpus> it's really a scripting engine
844 2020-08-20T19:26:26  <wumpus> which also means you can iterate the GUI without recompiling, which can be great
845 2020-08-20T19:26:39  <sipa> The JavaScript environment provided by QML is stricter than that in a web browser. For example, in QML you cannot add to, or modify, members of the JavaScript global object. In regular JavaScript, it is possible to do this accidentally by using a variable without declaring it. In QML this will throw an exception, so all local variables must be explicitly declared. See JavaScript Environment
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847 2020-08-20T19:26:45  <sipa> Restrictions for a complete description of the...
848 2020-08-20T19:26:47  <sipa> restrictions on JavaScript code executed from QML.
849 2020-08-20T19:27:04  <wumpus> it's also 'local only'
850 2020-08-20T19:27:31  <wumpus> you can only open images from the local resourcees IIRC not accidentaly from the network/internet
851 2020-08-20T19:27:33  <luke-jr> seems like a good way to lag the UI :x
852 2020-08-20T19:27:42  <wumpus> no, it's faster
853 2020-08-20T19:27:50  <wumpus> uses opengl ES2 for rendering
854 2020-08-20T19:27:58  <jonasschnelli> How about the memory footprint?
855 2020-08-20T19:27:58  <luke-jr> how can JS be faster than C++?
856 2020-08-20T19:28:10  <luke-jr> wumpus: Qt Widgets uses OpenGL too. But that's not a good thing :P
857 2020-08-20T19:28:18  <luke-jr> there's no reason 2D should use OpenGL..
858 2020-08-20T19:28:18  <jonasschnelli> And how indifferent will it look on win/Linux/Mac?
859 2020-08-20T19:28:31  <wumpus> well it can do all kinds of fancy animations, alsao on low end hardware
860 2020-08-20T19:28:43  <wumpus> maybe the per-frame processing happens in C++ still
861 2020-08-20T19:28:44  <luke-jr> low end hardware without OpenGL?
862 2020-08-20T19:28:51  <wumpus> the scipting just defines the animation
863 2020-08-20T19:29:17  <wumpus> even the most low-end embedded crap has OpenGL ES 2 these days
864 2020-08-20T19:29:23  <jonasschnelli> Sounds interesting... I guess it would look different then the typical system UI?
865 2020-08-20T19:30:08  <luke-jr> wumpus: with non-free drivers maybe
866 2020-08-20T19:30:22  <wumpus> anyhow, I didn't actually mean to defend QML, but if we reject it we should do it for proper reasons not just 'because it's a different way of doing things'
867 2020-08-20T19:30:38  <sipa> ^
868 2020-08-20T19:30:41  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: kinda would defeat the purpose of Qt if so
869 2020-08-20T19:31:20  <michaelfolkson> "IMHO it's still too early to consider QML since that there are some issues regarding long operations blocking the Qt event loop." This was promag in Sep 2019
870 2020-08-20T19:31:27  <michaelfolkson> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16883#issuecomment-532705580
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874 2020-08-20T19:45:50  <wumpus> I agree that'[s a long-running issue, and this is just as much a problem for qt widgets though :)
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876 2020-08-20T19:46:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #19771: net: Replace enum CConnMan::NumConnections with enum class ConnectionDirection (master...enum_conndir) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19771
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883 2020-08-20T20:09:07  <sipa> did anyone stop receiving github mail notifications ~an hour ago?
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902 2020-08-20T22:18:22  <fanquake> sipa: I don’t think so. Seem to have plenty from drahtbot
903 2020-08-20T22:22:21  <sipa> apparently my mail app changed semantics, and now right swiping is mark spam by default... so i had some github thread marked as spam, and subsequently all other github mails were marked as spam too
904 2020-08-20T22:22:25  <sipa> resolved now!
905 2020-08-20T22:25:44  <fanquake> #innovative UI
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926 2020-08-20T23:42:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #19117: RPC: Add getrpcwhitelist method (master...rpc_getrpcwhitelist) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19117
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