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 76 2020-08-22T05:43:17  <tryphe> do you guys think this would be useful as a feature? create a wallet backup. if the backup does not match the current copy, warn the user. this way we could warn people incase they have leftover keys in the current wallet file, or something strange like that. although i'm not sure the ordering will always be deterministic (should it be?)
 77 2020-08-22T05:47:04  <luke-jr> that doesn't make sense to me
 78 2020-08-22T05:47:15  <luke-jr> we already have wallet backups. what are you warning about?
 79 2020-08-22T05:47:35  <tryphe> luke-jr, in light of the possibility of leftover unencrypted keys in bdb
 80 2020-08-22T05:48:04  <luke-jr> I don't get it
 81 2020-08-22T05:48:15  <luke-jr> we already flag those and don't use them
 82 2020-08-22T05:48:24  <tryphe> ahh
 83 2020-08-22T05:48:33  <tryphe> but are they deleted from the file?
 84 2020-08-22T05:48:40  <luke-jr> no, nor should they be
 85 2020-08-22T05:48:53  <luke-jr> for HD wallets, there's a completely new root seed generated when you encrypt
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 87 2020-08-22T05:53:30  <tryphe> luke-jr, i was thinking of more like, unencrypted legacy wallet generates some keys, then encrypts, then unencrypted keys get accidentally leftover for years? or is that not possible?
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 96 2020-08-22T06:22:36  <sipa> tryphe: the pre-encryption keys remain in the wallet, but are removed from the keypool
 97 2020-08-22T06:22:50  <sipa> so they won't be given out as new addresses
 98 2020-08-22T06:23:21  <sipa> yet if for whatever reason those addresses receive a payment, it will be treated as balance
 99 2020-08-22T06:31:59  <tryphe> ah okay
100 2020-08-22T06:33:01  <aj> sipa: was there clever code at some point to make nodes preferential establish outbound connections to NODE_WITNESS nodes, rather than exclusively? cf https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8149/commits/b8a97498df1e83f8dcc49bc3fa4344f9e9799242#r79103769
101 2020-08-22T06:35:37  <sipa> i vaguely remember that
102 2020-08-22T06:43:19  <aj> commit 44407100ff9b478d6131a1c38ee993b50b1830df claims it's replacing some "sometimes-connect-to-!WITNESS-nodes logic" but i don't see any such logic...
103 2020-08-22T06:43:43  <aj> oh, except maybe i do: if (nTries >= 40 && nOutbound < maxOut/2) nRequires = REQUIRED_SERVICES
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105 2020-08-22T06:46:01  <aj> sipa: \o/ thanks for your help :)
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107 2020-08-22T06:47:58  <tryphe> sipa, if that's the case, would it be preferable to warn users about having a balance in unencrypted keys? assuming the user thought "encrypt" == "encrypt everything including previous keys"
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115 2020-08-22T07:09:49  <achow101> tryphe: encrypting encrypts the previous keys too
116 2020-08-22T07:11:06  <tryphe> got it
117 2020-08-22T07:12:07  <sipa> yeah, everything is encrypted
118 2020-08-22T07:12:25  <sipa> but because a pre-encrypted version of the old keys may remain in a backup or so, the keypool is refreshed
119 2020-08-22T07:13:28  <tryphe> i was also thinking about how notoriously bad databases are in general at leaving stuff behind in their file structures, but then it's just speculation at that point, i never looked manually at bdb's files
120 2020-08-22T07:14:04  <sipa> it definitely can leave pre-encrypted stuff behind
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122 2020-08-22T07:16:34  <tryphe> yeah, i don't have any poc or anything. i was just thinking how easy codewise it would be to create a new backup, compare hashes, and give a warning if they are different. but not sure what the real use would be other than paranoia
123 2020-08-22T07:17:32  <tryphe> not sure what it would even say anyways. "uh oh, it's different!"
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125 2020-08-22T07:19:01  <tryphe> but maybe if it's there as an option, people would have the idea to run it to find out, rather than not having the idea at all
126 2020-08-22T07:20:47  <tryphe> of course it would only apply to a small number of wallets, so i'm not sure it would be worth it
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128 2020-08-22T07:31:29  <tryphe> if i were using standable legacy keys, it makes sense to me to store the backup which most likely has the least extra junk lying around.
129 2020-08-22T07:31:37  <tryphe> standable/standalone* whoops
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136 2020-08-22T07:39:37  <tryphe> in that case, my idea isn't useful at all. instead somehow people could prefer to use the builtin backup instead of copying wallet.dat manual (which hopefully they do anyways) :)
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139 2020-08-22T07:48:16  <tryphe> on that note, what threat model does bitcoin core assume, anyhow? a) assume the user won't be compromised, and in that case, the original wallet.dat remains, which could be desirable in some aspects. b) assume that the user might be compromised, therefore we could try to warn the user in case of possible db lefovers.
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152 2020-08-22T08:41:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #19779: Remove gArgs global from init (master...2008-gArgs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19779
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192 2020-08-22T12:29:59  <instagibbs> getting "Bitcoin-QT is not responding" message during reindexing on master. Anyone reproduce?
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195 2020-08-22T12:35:37  <hebasto> instagibbs: what OS?
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244 2020-08-22T16:24:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #19780: build, qt: Add SVG support, and replace bitcoin PNG image with SVG one (master...200822-svg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19780
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254 2020-08-22T17:26:23  <instagibbs> hebasto, sorry was out for the morning, seems to have resolved itself. Ubuntu
255 2020-08-22T17:26:53  <hebasto> ok
256 2020-08-22T17:27:50  <instagibbs> might be worth checking though, seems to intermittently happen for me
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266 2020-08-22T18:21:04  * luke-jr wonders how GitLab is these days https://twitter.com/andir0815/status/1297102665504165888?s=20
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271 2020-08-22T18:52:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d254e6e7951f...197450f80868
272 2020-08-22T18:52:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4148f55 Nadav Ivgi: docs: Correct description for getblockstats's txs field
273 2020-08-22T18:52:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 197450f MarcoFalke: Merge #19777: docs: Correct description for getblockstats's txs field
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276 2020-08-22T18:52:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19777: docs: Correct description for getblockstats's txs field (master...202008-getblockstats-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19777
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