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 17 2020-09-19T01:50:55  <tryphe_> kallewoof, i think the avoid_reuse wallet flag should have more obvious documentation somewhere (unless i'm missing something) as i've been recently chatting with people who want this feature but i've been forgetting to tell them about it until i recently realized your commit #13756 exists in the codebase. the question is, where to put it? maybe an extended description of the complete functionality of "setwalletflag" flags would do better,
 18 2020-09-19T01:50:55  <tryphe_> as there's only a very terse example of the usage, but no extended description anywhere in any "help" commands/arguments.
 19 2020-09-19T01:50:58  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13756 | wallet: "avoid_reuse" wallet flag for improved privacy by kallewoof · Pull Request #13756 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 20 2020-09-19T01:51:47  <tryphe_> i feel like "finding" this feature should be much more obvious/intuitive
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 22 2020-09-19T01:54:41  <tryphe_> it looks like the description in the release notes would do the job (and tell the user they need to -rescan also), just not sure of the correct place for it
 23 2020-09-19T01:56:56  <tryphe_> also slightly related, when users look to enable features, they do ./bitcoind -help, ./bitcoin-cli -help, but not necessarily ./bitcoin-cli help, so they might not even stumble on setwalletflag. but not sure how to effectively get people to do this :(
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 27 2020-09-19T02:45:00  <luke-jr> tryphe_: note the "avoid_reuse" flag does not in fact avoid reuse :x
 28 2020-09-19T02:47:53  <tryphe_> luke-jr, ah, how so?
 29 2020-09-19T02:48:18  <luke-jr> would have to review the code to explain accurately
 30 2020-09-19T02:48:25  <tryphe_> i've never really used the flag, fwiw, but the idea is nice
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 33 2020-09-19T02:51:35  <tryphe_> luke-jr, it looks like it doesn't avoid reuse, but avoids spending outputs from keys that were already "spent from"?
 34 2020-09-19T02:51:54  <luke-jr> something along those lines
 35 2020-09-19T02:51:57  <tryphe_> not sure if that's what you meant
 36 2020-09-19T02:52:07  <luke-jr> IIRC the main thing is that if multiple such outputs exist, it tries to spend them all at once
 37 2020-09-19T02:52:13  <tryphe_> ahh okay, yeah the functionality is not really explicit to the definition
 38 2020-09-19T02:52:34  <luke-jr> although that may be default behaviour now too\
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 40 2020-09-19T02:53:06  <tryphe_> ahh yeah i saw that as well also, in another PR
 41 2020-09-19T02:55:02  <tryphe_> -avoidpartialspends is always enabled when avoid_reuse is enabled
 42 2020-09-19T02:58:44  <tryphe_> i think it would also be useful to note that in some documentation as well (avoidpartialspends documentation links to avoid_reuse but there's not really any documenation of avoid_reuse to explain that it enables avoidpartialspends)
 43 2020-09-19T02:59:25  <tryphe_> so you wouldn't know about it unless | grepping some help output
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 45 2020-09-19T03:02:01  <tryphe_> also, i guess the implication of a "dusting" attack here is that you would only avoid the dusting attack completely if the address was already marked dirty before the dusting happens
 46 2020-09-19T03:02:35  <luke-jr> eh?
 47 2020-09-19T03:02:58  <tryphe_> luke-jr, you might sweep up the dust the first time an address is marked dirty, but never after that, right?
 48 2020-09-19T03:03:21  <luke-jr> tryphe_: what's the problem?
 49 2020-09-19T03:03:33  <luke-jr> sweeping up the dust is the right thing to do there
 50 2020-09-19T03:04:27  <tryphe_> ah nm, you're right
 51 2020-09-19T03:05:07  <tryphe_> confusing myself :p
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 63 2020-09-19T05:32:58  <fanquake> sipa: probably time to block tnawanna
 64 2020-09-19T05:33:33  <fanquake> grubles: there’s no particularly easy way
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 66 2020-09-19T05:36:10  <sipa> fanquake: just did
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 71 2020-09-19T06:32:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/652c45fdbbd5...967be53aeec9
 72 2020-09-19T06:32:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a5f5374 Sjors Provoost: test: create default wallet in extended tests
 73 2020-09-19T06:32:23  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 967be53 fanquake: Merge #19971: test: create default wallet in extended tests
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 76 2020-09-19T06:32:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19971: test: create default wallet in extended tests (master...2020/09/fix_no_default_wallet_extended_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19971
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 82 2020-09-19T06:59:11  <kallewoof> tryphe_: i'm all for making it more known, but not sure where to do so. perhaps add an entry about it to the bitcoin wiki might be a good idea
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 84 2020-09-19T07:04:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/967be53aeec9...c30f79d418e2
 85 2020-09-19T07:04:35  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2233a93 codeShark149: [rpc] Return fee and vsize from testmempoolaccept
 86 2020-09-19T07:04:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 23c35bf gzhao408: [test] add get_vsize util for more programmatic testing
 87 2020-09-19T07:04:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c30f79d fanquake: Merge #19940: rpc: Return fee and vsize from testmempoolaccept
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 90 2020-09-19T07:04:53  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19940: rpc: Return fee and vsize from testmempoolaccept (master...rpc-testmempoolaccept-fee) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19940
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108 2020-09-19T08:28:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c30f79d418e2...83b23848f730
109 2020-09-19T08:28:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 27dcc37 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Name RPCConsole executor QThread
110 2020-09-19T08:28:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2c7f5d8 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Name WalletController worker QThread
111 2020-09-19T08:28:46  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ad5f614 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Name ClientModel timer QThread
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114 2020-09-19T08:29:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #18790: gui: Improve thread naming (master...200427-name-qthread) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18790
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118 2020-09-19T08:54:41  <jonasschnelli> ryanofsky: cap’n proto connects over TCP, right? Should be easy to tunnel with WireGuard or so?
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124 2020-09-19T09:13:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/83b23848f730...831b0ecea915
125 2020-09-19T09:13:59  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e15b1cf Daniel Kraft: Various cleanups in zmqnotificationinterface.
126 2020-09-19T09:14:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b93b9d5 Daniel Kraft: Simplify and fix notifier removal on error.
127 2020-09-19T09:14:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7f2ad1b Daniel Kraft: Use std::unique_ptr for CZMQNotifierFactory.
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130 2020-09-19T09:15:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #13686: ZMQ: Small cleanups in the ZMQ code (master...zmq-cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13686
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133 2020-09-19T09:20:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #19979: Use proper TSA attributes (attempt two) (master...200919-tsa) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19979
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154 2020-09-19T10:27:16  <fanquake> Is this the first time we've ever had 4 different PRs open, all for the same change
155 2020-09-19T10:28:19  <hebasto> one PR per a developer :)
156 2020-09-19T10:28:25  <fanquake> My current understanding is that 19979, 19918, 19970 & 19865 are all alternatives to each other
157 2020-09-19T10:28:39  <hebasto> fanquake: almost
158 2020-09-19T10:28:41  <wumpus> we've had "competing PRs" before but dunno if it was at this scale
159 2020-09-19T10:28:59  <wumpus> thinking of the various wayt to do writable settings here, for example
160 2020-09-19T10:29:31  <fanquake> I need  to read https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/AssertLockHeld-PRs
161 2020-09-19T10:30:28  <wumpus> it's not bad to have competing approaches and have a discussion about what is the best one, but it does make me wonder what makes this particular thing so interesting/important to work on :)
162 2020-09-19T10:30:42  <wumpus> and "why does everyone want it differently"
163 2020-09-19T10:31:13  <wumpus> fanquake: yes that's a great overview
164 2020-09-19T10:31:53  <wumpus> I don't have a strong opinion on this besides, please don't add "WeakAssert"
165 2020-09-19T10:32:40  <hebasto> wumpus: the recent 19979 removes the need to choose the name at all
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175 2020-09-19T11:48:08  <yanmaani> what's the process of suggesting a change to the protocol?
176 2020-09-19T11:48:52  <yanmaani> Do I just describe it informally on the mailing list and ask something like "Would you consider a BIP to this effect to be potentially suitable for inclusion in the Bitcoin protocol?"
177 2020-09-19T11:49:53  <yanmaani> Or do I write up a BIP directly?
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183 2020-09-19T12:12:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #15115: GUI: Replace send-to-self with dual send+receive entries (master...rm_send2self) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15115
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188 2020-09-19T12:16:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #17463: Bugfix: GUI: Restore SendConfirmationDialog button default to "Yes" (master...gui_custom_sendyes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17463
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190 2020-09-19T12:28:02  <ryanofsky> jonasschnelli: it just reads and writes bytes to anything. the current PRs open a unix socket not a TCP socket, but is easy to change
191 2020-09-19T12:29:47  <ryanofsky> ssh and socat commands are also happy to forward traffic between tcp sockets and unix sockets (maybe netcat too, not sure)
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232 2020-09-19T15:31:33  <jnewbery> Perhaps ryanofsky, aj and hebasto could get together and figure out which is the best way? They seem to care about this more than other people and I think other reviewers are probably going to be disinclined to weigh in or review 4 different PRs.
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234 2020-09-19T15:43:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prayank23 closed pull request #19945: Remove connect_nodes global and Replace connect_nodes(self.nodes[a], b) with self.connect_nodes(a, b) (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19945
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275 2020-09-19T23:04:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #19980: 2020 09 wallet cleanups (master...2020-09-wallet-cleanups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19980
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