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  2 2020-09-29T00:08:48  <luke-jr> https://drewdevault.com/2020/08/27/Microsoft-plays-their-hand.html
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 28 2020-09-29T02:17:11  <midnight> luke-jr: Strongly recommend not visiting that site without VPN or Tor.
 29 2020-09-29T02:18:37  <luke-jr> midnight: eh?
 30 2020-09-29T02:19:17  <midnight> ... that site. Unless I'm mistaking who that is, strongly recommend you don't visit it withut a VPN or Tor.
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 32 2020-09-29T02:20:08  <luke-jr> no JS on it.. and content looks reasonable O.o
 33 2020-09-29T02:20:37  <midnight> Yep, I know.
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 60 2020-09-29T03:46:40  <aj> sipa: i think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19988#discussion_r494725595 is resolved?
 61 2020-09-29T03:57:25  <sipa> aj: you can resolve, i think :)
 62 2020-09-29T04:01:03  <aj> sipa: yep, just checking you didn't leave it open for some reason i missed
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 77 2020-09-29T06:04:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/655937ebcbf6...5db44c740ebd
 78 2020-09-29T06:04:59  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3972bc Hennadii Stepanov: doc: Mention signet in -help output
 79 2020-09-29T06:05:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5db44c7 fanquake: Merge #20014: doc: Mention signet in -help output
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 82 2020-09-29T06:05:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20014: doc: Mention signet in -help output (master...200925-signet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20014
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 89 2020-09-29T06:33:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5db44c740ebd...7ea649946daa
 90 2020-09-29T06:33:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae243f MarcoFalke: test: Remove confusing cast to same type (int to int)
 91 2020-09-29T06:33:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faa94cb MarcoFalke: test: Check that invalid peer traffic is accounted for
 92 2020-09-29T06:33:12  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7ea6499 fanquake: Merge #20028: test: Check that invalid peer traffic is accounted for
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 95 2020-09-29T06:33:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20028: test: Check that invalid peer traffic is accounted for (master...2009-testInvalidTraffic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20028
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 99 2020-09-29T06:39:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #14729: correct -onion default to -proxy behavior (master...qubenix-proxyfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14729
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111 2020-09-29T07:14:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7ea649946daa...e36aa351a31c
112 2020-09-29T07:15:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master efc9b85 Sjors Provoost: Mark send RPC experimental
113 2020-09-29T07:15:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0fc1c68 Sjors Provoost: [rpc] send: fix parsing replaceable option
114 2020-09-29T07:15:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d813d26 Sjors Provoost: [rpc] send: various touch-ups
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118 2020-09-29T07:15:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19969: Send RPC bug fix and touch-ups (master...2020/09/send_touchups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19969
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137 2020-09-29T08:15:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e36aa351a31c...6af9b31bfc6d
138 2020-09-29T08:15:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2716647 Troy Giorshev: Give V1TransportDeserializer an m_node_id member
139 2020-09-29T08:15:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 890b1d7 Troy Giorshev: Move checksum check from net_processing to net
140 2020-09-29T08:15:23  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1ca20c1 Troy Giorshev: Add doxygen comment for ReceiveMsgBytes
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143 2020-09-29T08:16:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19107: p2p: Move all header verification into the network layer, extend logging (master...p2p-refactor-header) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19107
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152 2020-09-29T08:35:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6af9b31bfc6d...ec9b4492eba5
153 2020-09-29T08:35:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dba8196 Antoine Poinsot: policy/fees: correct decay explanation comments
154 2020-09-29T08:35:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5b8cb35 Antoine Poinsot: policy/fee: remove requireGreater parameter in EstimateMedianVal()
155 2020-09-29T08:35:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 569d92a Antoine Poinsot: policy/fees: small readability improvements
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158 2020-09-29T08:36:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19630: Cleanup fee estimation code (master...20/07/refactor_feeest_code) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19630
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163 2020-09-29T08:53:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild closed pull request #19031: Implement ADDRv2 support (part of BIP155) (master...addrv2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19031
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167 2020-09-29T09:01:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #17566: Switch to weight units for all feerates computation (master...feerate_in_weight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17566
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170 2020-09-29T09:01:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] darosior closed pull request #16890: rpc: Don't allow to 'estimatesmartfee' in blocksonly mode (master...estimatesmartfee_blockonly) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16890
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224 2020-09-29T10:16:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #20033: style: minor improvements as a followup to #19845 (master...nits_followup_to_19845) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20033
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229 2020-09-29T10:39:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #15206: Immediately disconnect on invalid net message checksum (master...2019/01/netmsg_2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15206
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232 2020-09-29T10:40:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #15197: Refactor and slightly stricter p2p message processing (master...2019/01/netmsg_1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15197
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248 2020-09-29T11:01:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #20034: test: Get rid of default wallet hacks (master...pr/defw) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20034
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255 2020-09-29T12:11:13  <vasild> hebasto: I am looking at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19991#discussion_r495073463 -- that wouldn't allow to configure the two things independently.
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257 2020-09-29T12:12:23  <vasild> I think we should allow for "auto create tor service: yes/no" and independently of that "do extra bind and consider incoming connections to that as incoming tor: bind_addr:bind_port"
258 2020-09-29T12:13:43  <vasild> so that it is possible to configure all 4 possibilities: auto create+extra bind, auto create+no extra bind, no auto create+extra bind, no auto create+no extra bind
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266 2020-09-29T12:38:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20035: signet: Fix uninitialized read in validation (master...2009-signetUninitRead) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20035
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269 2020-09-29T12:41:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ec9b4492eba5...d82b2c6e65ff
270 2020-09-29T12:41:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 62dba96 nthumann: log: print unexpected version warning in validation log category
271 2020-09-29T12:41:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d82b2c6 fanquake: Merge #19898: log: print unexpected version warning in validation log cate...
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274 2020-09-29T12:41:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19898: log: print unexpected version warning in validation log category (master...log-fix-unexpected-version) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19898
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279 2020-09-29T13:05:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20036: signet: Add assumed values for default signet (master...2009-signetAssumed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20036
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282 2020-09-29T13:16:22  <Bullit> What happened last thing it said at 33% block load ¨i´ll warn you again¨ then Bitcoin Core QT Shutdown during start up full chain is running again on laptop, please don´t make me a node see my energydrink company
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284 2020-09-29T13:18:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d82b2c6e65ff...8aa617896139
285 2020-09-29T13:18:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9b4fa0a practicalswift: net: Print error message if -proxy is specified without arguments (instead...
286 2020-09-29T13:18:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8aa6178 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20003: net: Exit with error message if -proxy is specified without ...
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289 2020-09-29T13:18:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20003: net: Exit with error message if -proxy is specified without arguments (instead of continuing without proxy server) (master...error-on-empty-proxy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20003
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295 2020-09-29T13:25:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8aa617896139...9e6f56f6ea0f
296 2020-09-29T13:25:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f22d6a1 practicalswift: log: Remove static log message "Initializing chainstate Chainstate [ibd] @...
297 2020-09-29T13:25:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9e6f56f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #19984: log: Remove static log message "Initializing chainstate Chai...
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300 2020-09-29T13:25:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19984: log: Remove static log message "Initializing chainstate Chainstate [ibd] @ height -1 (null)" (master...logging-should-not-be-static-department) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19984
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313 2020-09-29T14:23:17  <wumpus> the signet default network onion seed seems to be offline (ntv3mtqw5wt63red.onion:38333)
314 2020-09-29T14:25:30  <hebasto> vasild: agree
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324 2020-09-29T14:32:57  <wumpus> kallewoof ^^
325 2020-09-29T14:33:44  <kallewoof> wumpus: huh. ping provoostenator as he's running it
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328 2020-09-29T14:38:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9e6f56f6ea0f...de4b7f25acef
329 2020-09-29T14:39:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8a4dcda gr0kchain: doc: Added default signet config for linearize script
330 2020-09-29T14:39:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master de4b7f2 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20015: doc: Added default signet config for linearize script
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333 2020-09-29T14:39:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20015: doc: Added default signet config for linearize script (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20015
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335 2020-09-29T14:40:51  <wumpus> kallewoof: ohh whoops I didn't know that
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337 2020-09-29T14:46:08  <kallewoof> wumpus: i will set up an onion seed on my side as well to make it a bit more stable
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340 2020-09-29T14:48:25  <wumpus> having at least two would be nice, I noticed because I tried to use signet on a onlynet=onion node :)
341 2020-09-29T14:48:53  <kallewoof> wumpus: yeah, didn't really cover that very well. :P
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344 2020-09-29T15:01:45  <roconnor> luke-jr: I found 10 lines of miscompiled code on my desktop system. You can read my report @ http://r6.ca/blog/20200929T023701Z.html
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347 2020-09-29T15:13:07  <luke-jr> roconnor: you don't use Twitter, do you? (if you do, I'll retweet it)
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350 2020-09-29T15:18:54  <roconnor> I don't use twitter.
351 2020-09-29T15:19:02  <roconnor> you can share it however you like.
352 2020-09-29T15:20:58  <jonatack> very helpful report roconnor, thank you
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356 2020-09-29T15:23:47  <luke-jr> indeed, thanks
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358 2020-09-29T15:26:30  <luke-jr> annoyingly, icu is commonly static linked I think
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360 2020-09-29T15:26:57  <luke-jr> possibly into Bitcoin-Qt too, though I can't see any way one would exploit this
361 2020-09-29T15:31:49  <wumpus> going to test with both #19954 and #19991, surprisingly it's a clean merge
362 2020-09-29T15:31:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19954 | tor: complete the TORv3 implementation by vasild · Pull Request #19954 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
363 2020-09-29T15:31:55  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19991 | net: Use alternative port for incoming Tor connections by hebasto · Pull Request #19991 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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471 2020-09-29T18:07:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prayank23 opened pull request #20039: test: Convert amounts from float to decimal (master...floatdecimal) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20039
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491 2020-09-29T18:47:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #20040: wallet: Refactor OutputGroups to handle fees and spending eligibility on insert (master...inner-groupoutputs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20040
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504 2020-09-29T19:44:06  <roconnor> luke-jr: yeah, the icu thing seems fairly benign.  There are no unicode versions below, so I don't know how you would coax a problem out of the versionFilter.
505 2020-09-29T19:44:41  <roconnor> luke-jr: I think I saw the icu code crop up about 3 times.
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516 2020-09-29T20:26:00  <dburkett> I understand (somewhat) the hesitation to refactor the code to add a little modularity, but there seems to be quite a bit of low-hanging fruit that routinely gets passed up.
517 2020-09-29T20:26:56  <dburkett> Here's a quick example: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d82b2c6e65ff1ade508e2e8abeb07d0ff37e09c4/src/validation.cpp#L1128-L1238 doesn't seem to be related to validation at all, and looks like an obvious candidate to move to some sort of BlockStore class or codefile.
518 2020-09-29T20:27:51  <dburkett> Do we avoid this kind of refactoring due simply to a lack of resources? Or is there some other reasoning that I'm missing?
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521 2020-09-29T20:39:34  <sipa> dburkett: these are functions that are already only used from within validation.cpp, so i don't think there is particularly much to gain in modularity from moving them elsewhere
522 2020-09-29T20:40:13  <sipa> not saying it wouldn't be cleaner, but refactorings cost review time (and can be frustrating when people aren't excited enough to spend much time on it) - especially for things close to validation
523 2020-09-29T20:40:26  <luke-jr> dburkett: something like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/771 ?
524 2020-09-29T20:40:54  <luke-jr> and in addition to sipa's points, it also adds rebase time to other PRs
525 2020-09-29T20:41:16  <dburkett> It feels like we would have benefits in not only readability, but also testability if we componentize things like that.
526 2020-09-29T20:42:06  <luke-jr> dburkett: I'm not saying there aren't benefits
527 2020-09-29T20:42:37  <sipa> dburkett: yeah, no objection there - but everything has costs too
528 2020-09-29T20:43:16  <luke-jr> if there was one perfect person just refactoring trusted to not break anything, it'd be easy to just get it done
529 2020-09-29T20:43:26  <dburkett> luke-jr: yes, something much like that
530 2020-09-29T20:43:27  <luke-jr> but even without malice, people can make mistakes, so everything needs review
531 2020-09-29T20:44:08  <sipa> luke-jr: cblockstore was arguably much more of what is now validationinterface, just not including the actual storage of blocks :)
532 2020-09-29T20:44:54  <luke-jr> sipa: I couldn't think of a better match :P
533 2020-09-29T20:45:21  <sipa> but sure, as evidence that people have tried this before, in various levels of ambitiousness
534 2020-09-29T20:45:22  <dburkett> sipa: I completely understand everything has costs. I guess my question is, if I did small, careful, and targeted refactoring like this, do you think it's something that would provide enough benefit to others to get the necessary review?
535 2020-09-29T20:45:39  <sipa> dburkett: it would be very low on my personal priority list
536 2020-09-29T20:45:46  <sipa> i can't speak about others'
537 2020-09-29T20:46:07  <sipa> but making it small and targetted is certainly easier
538 2020-09-29T20:46:53  <sipa> i don't mean to discourage you, though!
539 2020-09-29T20:47:26  <dburkett> Gotcha. Thanks for the honesty. Bitcoin development has often scared myself and many others away in the past due to the lack of readability and organization of the code.
540 2020-09-29T20:48:04  <sipa> dburkett: it depends on the kind of refactor, but many "innocent" refactors in the past have made things much harder to find for me
541 2020-09-29T20:48:37  <sipa> this is especially true for things that started with a nice ambitious goal, but only ever got partially completed, leaving things in a less consistent state than they were before
542 2020-09-29T20:48:41  <dburkett> But having smaller components to reason about and work on in isolation helps improve that. I may take a stab at some of the smaller refactoring to see how it goes
543 2020-09-29T20:50:08  <jonatack> dburkett: speaking personally, when deciding between (a) proposing changes, and (b) reviewing important open proposals that have been sitting for months or years due to lack of review, the truth is that few to no cases of (a) add as much value as doing (b)
544 2020-09-29T20:50:25  <luke-jr> maybe have the end goal completed, but PR part at a time?
545 2020-09-29T20:50:36  <jonatack> so it's all relative...question of prorities and opportunity cost
546 2020-09-29T20:50:44  <luke-jr> jonatack: good point
547 2020-09-29T20:50:48  <dburkett> luke-jr: seems like a solid approach
548 2020-09-29T20:51:11  <luke-jr> dburkett: in addition to resolving bottlenecks, review also helps you learn the code ;)
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550 2020-09-29T20:52:44  <dburkett> jonatack: I completely understand, though I think a lot of the more experienced devs like yourself downplay the difficulty of learning such a large and complex codebase, which could contribute to why we struggle to get reviewers. Every change to a 3000 line file just seems so intimidating to those not intimately familiar with it lol
551 2020-09-29T20:53:23  <jonatack> dburkett: i consider myself a new dev here :)
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553 2020-09-29T20:53:47  <luke-jr> XD
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555 2020-09-29T20:54:33  <sipa> dburkett: i'm no reference in this context, but i tend to find a project with hundreds of small files far more intimidating than one big one
556 2020-09-29T20:54:44  <sipa> i can't explain why
557 2020-09-29T20:54:56  <dburkett> btw, I do have a reasonable grasp on the code, only because I invested the significant time to learn it. I agree review helps learn it as well. I'm merely sharing my experiences from my own time learning the code.
558 2020-09-29T20:55:59  <sipa> i guess it all has to do with structure; you could have a clusterfuck of small files, or a clusterfuck of a large file, and either can have very unclear responsibilities/structure
559 2020-09-29T20:56:32  <sipa> but needing to look through many files, not knowing what they may do, just feels scarier to me than one big thing to read through :)
560 2020-09-29T20:56:41  <dburkett> sipa: I will speculate that it's because you're an old-time Linux hacker (not calling you old), rather than a modern corporate dev. There's certainly advantages to each approach, and both can be taken too far.
561 2020-09-29T20:56:44  <luke-jr> https://cmpwn.com/@sir/104949263468735420 free Talos II being offered for cost of shipping, looks like to whomever can propose the best use they'd put it to
562 2020-09-29T20:57:01  <sipa> dburkett: i never contributed to open source before bitcoin
563 2020-09-29T20:57:13  <luke-jr> :o
564 2020-09-29T20:57:19  <dburkett> Then I don't know :)
565 2020-09-29T20:57:24  <sipa> at least not in any meaningful capacity
566 2020-09-29T20:58:15  <sipa> dburkett: and at university everything was java, with a huge "many tiny classes, each in one file!" mantra - which i think is horrible
567 2020-09-29T20:58:38  <luke-jr> sipa: sometimes I think the file list and/or opening more files is more annoying than just searchign in an already open/visible file
568 2020-09-29T20:58:49  <sipa> luke-jr: yes!
569 2020-09-29T20:59:53  <dburkett> But the bouncing around in the same file makes it harder to keep tabs open with specific functions you're investigating. I totally get the sentiment though, and agree it can be taken too far
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571 2020-09-29T21:00:19  <sipa> "tabs" ?
572 2020-09-29T21:00:21  <luke-jr> dburkett: Kate at least has bookmarks
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574 2020-09-29T21:01:08  <luke-jr> which is another case many files can be a nightmare: which file had the bookmark I want? :P
575 2020-09-29T21:01:09  <dburkett> In a modern IDE- remember this is 2020 :)
576 2020-09-29T21:01:28  <sipa> hmm, haven't used IDEs in years
577 2020-09-29T21:01:31  <luke-jr> how modern is an IDE without bookmarks? :P
578 2020-09-29T21:01:54  <sipa> i did for java, and used eclipse-cdt for a C project a decade ago or so
579 2020-09-29T21:02:26  <sipa> but i find i'm much more efficient working with 2-3 terminal windows with text editors
580 2020-09-29T21:04:40  <dburkett> IDEs have bookmarks, but they're less natural than opening separate files and navigating between them. I believe my questions have been answered by this dialog though. It's a difference purely in style between the vim hackers and modern IDE devs. It's a gap that won't be easy to bridge.
581 2020-09-29T21:05:47  <sipa> dburkett: to be clear, none of this has any bearing on wanting to separate out logically separate parts of the code to be physically separate as well (whether that means a separate file, another directory, ...)
582 2020-09-29T21:06:39  <sipa> but i do object to a blanket "smaller files better" view ;)
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586 2020-09-29T21:09:22  <dburkett> Whether smaller files are "better" or not, I think it's reasonable to argue that small files are generally safer, and result in easier to maintain APIs. Though definitely any mantra can be taken too far, as the java folks have shown :)
587 2020-09-29T21:09:55  <sipa> yeah
588 2020-09-29T21:10:01  <sipa> and personal preferences will differ
589 2020-09-29T21:10:33  <dburkett> Anyhow, thanks for the discussion. It's valuable to hear about everyone's personal opinions and reasoning. It'll help guide my small, targeted attempts at refactoring.
590 2020-09-29T21:10:37  <sipa> dburkett: i think smaller well-defined interfaces are generally better - and if a single file is a single interface, perhaps
591 2020-09-29T21:11:01  <sipa> but in C++ it's not hard to fall into an anti-pattern where a single interface is defined by multiple files
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594 2020-09-29T21:11:51  <dburkett> Yes, perhaps the difference in our thinking is only in our opinions about how many interfaces belong in a single file. I'll buy that physical structure is very much a personal preference, while logical structure has more universal rights and wrongs.
595 2020-09-29T21:13:04  <sipa> i also think (and this may be controversial, so certainly not going to push it onto anything), that you can have a single file that contains a series of well-documented interfaces (with comments saying "first define the low-level data structures used:" "here is some of the computational stuff" "here is the main interface implementation"), if those preliminary things are only used by what follows in
596 2020-09-29T21:13:05  <dburkett> sipa: I've not come across many examples where a single interface spans multiple files, but I don't doubt that there are many examples out there. I agree that is not great at all.
597 2020-09-29T21:13:10  <sipa> the same file
598 2020-09-29T21:13:52  <sipa> it prevents littering the directory structure with extra files that are private to one concept anyway
599 2020-09-29T21:14:22  <dburkett> So you're talking about file-scope data structures and interfaces in a cpp file that you're not exposing in a header. I definitely understand that pattern.
600 2020-09-29T21:14:59  <sipa> yeah
601 2020-09-29T21:15:33  <dburkett> When it becomes too burdensome, a directory or separate lib or something becomes more important. But if not taken too far, that's a pattern I often follow myself.
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