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 57 2020-10-04T06:42:54  <amiti> wumpus: thanks for the thoughtful reply! helps to hear your outlook, and overall makes sense. I definitely agree with preventing anything dangerous, but questions around flexibility vs usability is more of a gray area. regarding `-connect  -dnsseed=1` it seems strange to engage in gossip if you don't actually care about the addresses, but reframing as a question of disabling AddrMan entirely seems like a good
 58 2020-10-04T06:42:54  <amiti> bigger-picture direction to engage in
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 60 2020-10-04T07:08:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/54fc96ffa70a...06314fbb5521
 61 2020-10-04T07:08:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1b41ce8 Fabian Jahr: lint: Don't use TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE for commit-script-check
 62 2020-10-04T07:08:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c11dc99 Fabian Jahr: lint: Don't use TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE in whitespace linter
 63 2020-10-04T07:08:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a91ab86 Fabian Jahr: lint: Use TRAVIS_BRANCH in lint-git-commit-check.sh
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 66 2020-10-04T07:08:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20071: ci, lint: Remove usage of TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE (master...commit_range) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20071
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 70 2020-10-04T07:11:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3491bf3 Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: Mention commit id in scripted diff error
 71 2020-10-04T07:11:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f7a53c MarcoFalke: Merge #20069: test: Mention commit id in scripted diff error
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 74 2020-10-04T07:12:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20069: test: Mention commit id in scripted diff error (master...2020_10_scriptdiff_lint_errormsg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20069
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 79 2020-10-04T07:26:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #20073: [DO NOT MERGE] ci: Print TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE before fail (master...201003-travis) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20073
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 84 2020-10-04T07:44:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 33df8d4 Fabian Jahr: ci: Build Arm64 on Travis without functional tests
 85 2020-10-04T07:44:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f0fd132 MarcoFalke: Merge #20072: ci: Build Arm64 on Travis without functional tests
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 88 2020-10-04T07:45:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20072: ci: Build Arm64 on Travis without functional tests (master...travis_arm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20072
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 92 2020-10-04T07:55:57  <wumpus> dhruvm: amiti: yes I mean what I'd like to avoid is a forest of special cases of option combinations that are rejected, because that's hard to maintain, but thinking of the bigger picture around it makes sense
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 94 2020-10-04T07:56:56  <wumpus> is it just me or is it, with all the buttons and widgets and things that have been added, harder and harder to get to the recent commits list on github
 95 2020-10-04T07:59:55  <sipa> wumpus: "git log" works great :)
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 97 2020-10-04T08:00:52  <wumpus> sipa: sure, it does, it's just slightly amusing that git's (commonly quotes as horrendous) command line interface is starting to look friendly compared to github's how-many-buttons-can-we-fit-per-square inch
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100 2020-10-04T08:02:08  <sipa> wumpus: haha, true
101 2020-10-04T08:02:29  <sipa> at some point they'll introduce a CLI console, i'm sure
102 2020-10-04T08:10:36  <wumpus> good idea :)
103 2020-10-04T08:11:54  <wumpus> glad to see the travis commit range issue was sorted out
104 2020-10-04T08:13:01  <sipa> we really need to keep our false positive rate for CI failure low
105 2020-10-04T08:13:53  <sipa> not anyone's fault of course, but this seems to have been tbe result of a cascade, where a bad commit was merged because CI was unreliable, which led to it resulting in even more false positives
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108 2020-10-04T08:18:35  <wumpus> the bad commit was merged because the CI didn't run at all for that PR, not because it was unreliable IIRC
109 2020-10-04T08:19:15  <wumpus> in any case I think it was good this came up: it was checking a too-large range of commits, this was bound to be a problem some day
110 2020-10-04T08:19:34  <wumpus> even as say, a performance issue
111 2020-10-04T08:20:27  <wumpus> I agree it's good to keep the false positive rate for CI down, obviously, we're trying ... Travis definitlye doesn't make it easy e.g. the random ARM failures recently
112 2020-10-04T08:20:51  <sipa> yeah :(
113 2020-10-04T08:23:32  <wumpus> AppVeyor also has these random issues where some dependency is upgraded server side ...
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115 2020-10-04T08:24:48  <wumpus> I have no clue what is the problem there this time, it's broken at a fairly high level, with everything giving BUILD_FAILURE
116 2020-10-04T08:27:23  <wumpus> oh it confuses even sipsorcery #20066
117 2020-10-04T08:27:24  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20066 | CI: Appveyor builds failing · Issue #20066 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
118 2020-10-04T08:33:02  <wumpus> by far most of the failures are outside our control, it rarely happens that we merge something that breaks the build
119 2020-10-04T08:33:58  <sipa> wumpus: some repository we depend on indirectly went offline, it seems?
120 2020-10-04T08:34:01  <sipa> the msys2 thing
121 2020-10-04T08:34:08  <wumpus> yes :/
122 2020-10-04T08:36:24  <fanquake> wumpus: yea that was my stuff up not seeing the missing dash. I thought I'd seen a green tick for Travis as well.
123 2020-10-04T08:39:28  <wumpus> fanquake: yes, that was strange, it has happened before that Travis just doesn't trigger on a PR. I think the only worrying thing is that the scripted diff script in that PR went unchecked now. Did anyone check it manually? If not we probably should.
124 2020-10-04T08:39:33  <sipa> is there a way to make appveyor failures as non-fatal?
125 2020-10-04T08:41:45  <sipa> wumpus: good idea
126 2020-10-04T08:42:28  <sipa> yeah, the diff is trivial
127 2020-10-04T08:42:34  <fanquake> wumpus: I did check locally that the change was complete before merging
128 2020-10-04T08:42:41  <fanquake> was only 4 lines
129 2020-10-04T08:42:45  <sipa> only string changes
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136 2020-10-04T09:12:29  <wumpus> fanquake: thanks!
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146 2020-10-04T09:40:42  <wumpus> sipa: I'm not sure there's a way to do that, it's definitely been proposed before, but I think github counts all CIs as equal by definition
147 2020-10-04T09:41:17  <wumpus> (which is also why I think we shouldn't add any further ones, it already seems like a slot machine sometimes with these three)
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183 2020-10-04T13:09:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #20076: doc: Update and improve files.md (master...201004-files) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20076
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190 2020-10-04T13:42:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f0fd13222621...cce151317909
191 2020-10-04T13:42:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 675e55e Suhas Daftuar: Ignore unknown messages before VERACK
192 2020-10-04T13:42:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cce1513 MarcoFalke: Merge #19723: Ignore unknown messages before VERACK
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195 2020-10-04T13:42:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19723: Ignore unknown messages before VERACK (master...2020-08-feature-negotiation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19723
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198 2020-10-04T13:48:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20077: test: Peers avoiding the handshake are disconnected (master...2010-testPeerVerackTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20077
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206 2020-10-04T14:14:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #20077: test: Peers avoiding the handshake are disconnected (master...2010-testPeerVerackTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20077
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219 2020-10-04T15:24:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20079: p2p: Ignore non-version msgs before version msg (master...2010-p2pNoVersion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20079
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241 2020-10-04T18:04:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #20080: Strip any trailing `/` in -datadir path (master...201004-strip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20080
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247 2020-10-04T18:59:04  <hebasto> what is currently minimum supported version of Bitcoin Core?
248 2020-10-04T19:00:03  <sipa> https://bitcoincore.org/en/lifecycle/
249 2020-10-04T19:00:57  <hebasto> sipa: 0.19.1 right?
250 2020-10-04T19:02:26  <sipa> hebasto: yeah, the 0.19 release series is the last maintained and supported one
251 2020-10-04T19:02:51  <hebasto> sipa: thanks for link and confirmation
252 2020-10-04T19:03:02  <sipa> though it will become unmaintained once 0.21 is released
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