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  7 2020-11-06T00:38:28  <fanquake> Received a response from GitHub in regards to our "load more" issues: https://0bin.net/paste/ox1MH8xR#Kn-kr5erlHeeOnBXYiloYLuikSrO03S+46FEGxLO+Ki.
  8 2020-11-06T00:39:12  <fanquake> The email they are responding to I sent on the 12 October. Still haven't received any response to issues opened in the maintainer group in regards to our "load more" or "show/hide" issues.
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 13 2020-11-06T00:57:45  <fanquake> Actually, we have got a response in regards to the show/hide issue. It's that they cannot reproduce. I assume that's because they waited 5 days to look, and it's since been merged / something has changed.
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 49 2020-11-06T03:47:50  <wumpus> fanquake: thanks for the update
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 54 2020-11-06T04:35:51  <luke-jr> #19502 rebased
 55 2020-11-06T04:35:53  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19502 | Bugfix: Wallet: Soft-fail exceptions within ListWalletDir file checks by luke-jr · Pull Request #19502 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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 62 2020-11-06T05:32:08  <wumpus> luke-jr: thanks
 63 2020-11-06T05:33:07  <wumpus> fanquake: ideally we could disable hiding of items completely for the entire repository, but i guess that would bring back the unicorns
 64 2020-11-06T05:34:16  <wumpus> surprising how fast computers and internet connections are nowadays but showing a moderate number of items of text is still problematic
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 67 2020-11-06T06:00:36  <fanquake> wumpus: I’ll ask, but yea probably. My understanding is that the hiding was introduced to fix the fact that they can’t load enough page content at once.
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 74 2020-11-06T06:48:20  <wumpus> yes, exactly
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 77 2020-11-06T07:04:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f5cdc290d5a4...65460c207c0b
 78 2020-11-06T07:04:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf5fa7 MarcoFalke: wallet: Set DatabaseStatus::SUCCESS in MakeSQLiteDatabase
 79 2020-11-06T07:04:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 65460c2 MarcoFalke: Merge #20324: wallet: Set DatabaseStatus::SUCCESS in MakeSQLiteDatabase
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 82 2020-11-06T07:05:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20324: wallet: Set DatabaseStatus::SUCCESS in MakeSQLiteDatabase (master...2011-walletSqliteSuccess) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20324
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 85 2020-11-06T07:11:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/65460c207c0b...c51c2753a4ff
 86 2020-11-06T07:11:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 568a1d7 Stepan Snigirev: fix ecdsa verify in test framework
 87 2020-11-06T07:11:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c51c275 MarcoFalke: Merge #20326: tests: Fix ecdsa_verify in test framework
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 90 2020-11-06T07:11:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20326: tests: Fix ecdsa_verify in test framework (master...fix-test-ecdsa-verification) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20326
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 94 2020-11-06T07:35:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c51c2753a4ff...a0c00ff7c045
 95 2020-11-06T07:35:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 04a69c2 Jonas Schnelli: macOS deploy: use the new plistlib API
 96 2020-11-06T07:35:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a0c00ff fanquake: Merge #20298: macOS deploy: use the new plistlib API
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 99 2020-11-06T07:35:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20298: macOS deploy: use the new plistlib API (master...2020/11/macdeployfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20298
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103 2020-11-06T07:54:43  <meshcollider> wumpus: it would be nice and fast if there was a plaintext mode without their fancy formatting
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105 2020-11-06T08:00:59  <fanquake> meshcollider: Could you chuck out an opinion in regards to #20305 & #20250. Not sure if they are necessarily in conflict?
106 2020-11-06T08:01:01  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20305 | wallet: introduce fee_rate_sat_vb param/option by jonatack · Pull Request #20305 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
107 2020-11-06T08:01:03  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20250 | Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Make BTC/kB and sat/B fee modes work sanely by luke-jr · Pull Request #20250 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
108 2020-11-06T08:01:44  <meshcollider> fanquake: will do soon, thanks
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129 2020-11-06T09:15:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20328: cirrus: Skip tasks on the gui repo main branch (master...2011-cirrusSkip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20328
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139 2020-11-06T09:20:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dgpv opened pull request #20329: docs/descriptors.md: Remove hardened marker in the path after xpub (master...fix-descriptors-md-hardened-after-xpub) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20329
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157 2020-11-06T10:28:29  <wumpus> meshcollider: agree!
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261 2020-11-06T17:08:23  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a0c00ff7c045...4727c1ca2493
262 2020-11-06T17:08:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 66667ac MarcoFalke: cirrus: Skip tasks on the gui repo main branch
263 2020-11-06T17:08:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4727c1c MarcoFalke: Merge #20328: cirrus: Skip tasks on the gui repo main branch
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266 2020-11-06T17:08:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20328: cirrus: Skip tasks on the gui repo main branch (master...2011-cirrusSkip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20328
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269 2020-11-06T17:10:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4727c1ca2493...7e373294a5ae
270 2020-11-06T17:10:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac0517 MarcoFalke: travis: Remove s390x build
271 2020-11-06T17:10:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa2c3c0 MarcoFalke: ci: Set LC_ALL=C to allow running the s390x tests in qemu
272 2020-11-06T17:10:12  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7e37329 MarcoFalke: Merge #20315: travis: Remove s390x build
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275 2020-11-06T17:10:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20315: travis: Remove s390x build (master...2010-ciS390x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20315
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298 2020-11-06T19:00:10  <achow101> wallet meeting?
299 2020-11-06T19:00:11  <meshcollider> #startmeeting
300 2020-11-06T19:00:18  <meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball ariard digi_james amiti fjahr
301 2020-11-06T19:00:18  <meshcollider> jeremyrubin emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 kvaciral ariard digi_james amiti fjahr jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 elichai2
302 2020-11-06T19:00:28  <meshcollider> Topics?
303 2020-11-06T19:01:23  <meshcollider> I guess we should discuss the PRs left on the milestone
304 2020-11-06T19:01:43  <achow101> are we going to talk about wallet ids for the 5th meeting in a row?
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307 2020-11-06T19:02:11  <meshcollider> I don't think talking about wallet IDs is going to go anywhere...
308 2020-11-06T19:02:20  <jonatack> hi
309 2020-11-06T19:02:38  <meshcollider> I'm more interested in #20250 and #20305
310 2020-11-06T19:02:40  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20250 | Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Make BTC/kB and sat/B fee modes work sanely by luke-jr · Pull Request #20250 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
311 2020-11-06T19:02:41  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20305 | wallet: introduce fee_rate_sat_vb param/option by jonatack · Pull Request #20305 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
312 2020-11-06T19:03:15  <jonatack> just pushed an update after re-reviewing and re-testing each commit
313 2020-11-06T19:03:26  <jonatack> (to 20305)
314 2020-11-06T19:04:36  <achow101> I will review those eventually
315 2020-11-06T19:05:23  <meshcollider> I guess the key topic is 1) which of the two (fairly similar) directions do we want to take, and 2) which of the side changes in each PR do we also want in 0.21
316 2020-11-06T19:06:13  <achow101> are they mutually exclusive?
317 2020-11-06T19:06:24  <jonatack> i think the directions are fundamentally different, apart from the feeRate -> fee_rate alias in 20250 that is orthogonal
318 2020-11-06T19:06:42  <jonatack> achow101:: if merged before the release, yes
319 2020-11-06T19:07:17  <jonatack> achow101:: if merged after, then 20305 doesn't work and would need to be overhauled
320 2020-11-06T19:07:45  <jonatack> as it replaces the overloading with the new fixed-unit fee rate param
321 2020-11-06T19:07:47  <achow101> hmm ok. i'll try to get to them today
322 2020-11-06T19:07:55  <achow101> I haven't looked at them yet, so no opinion
323 2020-11-06T19:08:19  <jonatack> and if the overloading is released in 0.21, then we'll have to support it and then deprecate it
324 2020-11-06T19:08:44  <achow101> ngl it feels like we should make an rpc api v2 and just overhaul everything
325 2020-11-06T19:09:15  <jonatack> i think it's workable to improve the current one
326 2020-11-06T19:09:17  <luke-jr> I'm in the middle of rebasing 20250
327 2020-11-06T19:09:17  <achow101> but maybe i'm just in the "blow up everything" mindset
328 2020-11-06T19:09:34  <jonatack> i sort of detail the steps in the PR description
329 2020-11-06T19:09:37  <meshcollider> achow101: I think both are true ;)
330 2020-11-06T19:10:24  <jonatack> luke-jr: ping me when you're ready and i'll review. even if 20305 is merged, i think the commit that does feeRate -> fee_rate is good
331 2020-11-06T19:10:38  <jonatack> i didn't do that since i saw that you proposed it
332 2020-11-06T19:11:02  <meshcollider> I am slightly more in favour of the fixed-unit param, but don't have a big preference
333 2020-11-06T19:11:27  <meshcollider> And yes it's definitely good to have fee_rate consistent
334 2020-11-06T19:11:36  <jonatack> same, per discussion on in #19543
335 2020-11-06T19:11:38  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19543 | Normalize fee units for RPC ("BTC/kB" and "sat/B) · Issue #19543 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
336 2020-11-06T19:12:33  <luke-jr> I disliked EXPLICIT ever got split into BTC/kB and sat/B
337 2020-11-06T19:12:36  <jonatack> 20305 implements the conclusion by wumpus at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20220#discussion_r513789526
338 2020-11-06T19:13:24  <jonatack> luke-jr: did you see the twitter poll; people prefer sat/vB over btc/kvB by 10 to 1
339 2020-11-06T19:13:53  <meshcollider> Yeah I think sat/vB is definitely the way to go IMO
340 2020-11-06T19:13:57  <meshcollider> it doesn't seem like there are many others here to discuss so let's just leave it as an #action to review and weigh in on the two alternatives
341 2020-11-06T19:14:08  <luke-jr> jonatack: I didn't
342 2020-11-06T19:14:42  <jonatack> https://twitter.com/jonatack/status/1318890833131823104?s=20
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344 2020-11-06T19:14:55  <meshcollider> There's a couple of easy wallet PRs left, but the main one on the milestone is #18836
345 2020-11-06T19:14:57  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18836 | wallet: upgradewallet fixes and additional tests by achow101 · Pull Request #18836 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
346 2020-11-06T19:14:59  <meshcollider> So please review that
347 2020-11-06T19:15:01  <luke-jr> can we just drop BTC/kB entirely? :x
348 2020-11-06T19:15:09  <jonatack> oh, not 10:1, the ratio is much higher
349 2020-11-06T19:15:20  <meshcollider> luke-jr: fee_rate_sat_vb does that :p
350 2020-11-06T19:15:26  <jonatack> luke-jr: agreed!
351 2020-11-06T19:15:54  <achow101> I might go through 18836 on stream on Monday. The hard part is figuring out the BDB format
352 2020-11-06T19:16:09  <luke-jr> meshcollider: but with an ugly name
353 2020-11-06T19:16:24  <luke-jr> looks like bumpfee is the only thing in 0.20 with "fee_rate"
354 2020-11-06T19:16:27  <luke-jr> hrm
355 2020-11-06T19:16:54  <jonatack> achow101: is 18836 ready for review? if yes, on it tomorrow
356 2020-11-06T19:17:08  <meshcollider> jonatack: yes it's been ready for weeks :p
357 2020-11-06T19:17:10  <achow101> jonatack: yes. it has been for a while
358 2020-11-06T19:17:20  <jonatack> ok ty
359 2020-11-06T19:17:21  <meshcollider> I have been slack personally
360 2020-11-06T19:18:14  <jonatack> luke-jr: yep; i'm thinking we add the ugly named one (at least you won't call it by mistake), then deprecate the btc/kB ones, then alias the ugly one to fee_rate
361 2020-11-06T19:18:28  <jonatack> over a couple releases
362 2020-11-06T19:18:50  <jonatack> maybe with a config option to opt in to the new fee_rate param in sat/vB
363 2020-11-06T19:19:27  <luke-jr> jonatack: that still has a risk
364 2020-11-06T19:19:44  <luke-jr> the only clean solution I see is to use BTC/kB everywhere
365 2020-11-06T19:19:51  <luke-jr> :/
366 2020-11-06T19:20:08  <jonatack> it seems users really want sat/vb
367 2020-11-06T19:20:21  <luke-jr> well, we've really wanted satoshis for amounts since like 0.3 too
368 2020-11-06T19:20:38  <jonatack> and the risk is a too-low feerate, not a too-high one, and if we put it behind an opt-in config option...
369 2020-11-06T19:20:59  <jonatack> idk seems manageable
370 2020-11-06T19:21:01  <luke-jr> true, and it only affects bumpfee
371 2020-11-06T19:21:16  <luke-jr> so too-low is presumably rejected, and if not you can always replace it with the right one
372 2020-11-06T19:21:18  <jonatack> and fundraw and
373 2020-11-06T19:21:26  <luke-jr> no, fundraw uses feeRate
374 2020-11-06T19:21:29  <jonatack> funded psbt
375 2020-11-06T19:21:42  <jonatack> anyway, it's a limited risk
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377 2020-11-06T19:21:56  <luke-jr> only bumpfee uses fee_rate in 0.20 afaict
378 2020-11-06T19:22:18  <luke-jr> I'm going to abandon my rebase and close 20250 then, ok?
379 2020-11-06T19:22:39  <luke-jr> IMO fee_rate_sat_vb should just get renamed to fee_rate
380 2020-11-06T19:23:26  <jonatack> luke-jr: no deprecation process? config option opt-in?
381 2020-11-06T19:23:36  <luke-jr> jonatack: no, not needed considering
382 2020-11-06T19:23:54  <luke-jr> maybe support -deprecatedrpc=fee_rate or something, but meh
383 2020-11-06T19:24:12  <jonatack> i'm ok with remaning if reviewers are
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385 2020-11-06T19:24:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #20250: Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Make BTC/kB and sat/B fee modes work sanely (master...rpcwallet_explicit_fixups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20250
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387 2020-11-06T19:25:00  <meshcollider> we should take a bit from 20250 as previously discussed, like the feeRate -> fee_rate though
388 2020-11-06T19:25:15  <jonatack> luke-jr: if 20305 doesn't get in for 0.21 then I think we need 20250, so keep it around
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390 2020-11-06T19:25:26  <jonatack> meshcollider: if we don't rename to fee_rate, agreed
391 2020-11-06T19:26:30  <meshcollider> I think with the right "too low" errors in place, just using fee_rate is fine, but I am not going to speak on behalf of all reviewers :p
392 2020-11-06T19:26:37  <luke-jr> meshcollider: that's part of 20305 with my suggestion
393 2020-11-06T19:26:58  <luke-jr> feeRate would continue to be BTC/kB (deprecated) until we remove it entirely
394 2020-11-06T19:27:14  <luke-jr> (though I don't really care if we just remove it right now too)
395 2020-11-06T19:27:42  <jonatack> ok let me know, i'll be active on updating as time is short
396 2020-11-06T19:28:13  <meshcollider> achow101 can weigh in when he reviews
397 2020-11-06T19:28:24  <meshcollider> Alright anything else to discuss today?
398 2020-11-06T19:28:24  <jonatack> feeRate in walletcreatefundedpsbt and bumpfee iirc
399 2020-11-06T19:30:22  <meshcollider> #endmeeting
400 2020-11-06T19:30:35  <achow101> lightningbot still dead :(
401 2020-11-06T19:30:35  <lightningbot> achow101: Error: "still" is not a valid command.
402 2020-11-06T19:31:28  <jonatack> meshcollider: congrats on the john pfeffer support! (just seeing it now) 🎉
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404 2020-11-06T19:31:51  <luke-jr> aj
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406 2020-11-06T19:35:08  <meshcollider> jonatack: yeah it's super nice of him!
407 2020-11-06T19:35:25  <meshcollider> achow101: lol the bot doesn't like being called dead
408 2020-11-06T19:36:22  <meshcollider> Unlike usual, when I started the meeting today, I got an automatic list of commands send to me by core-meetingbot
409 2020-11-06T19:36:29  <meshcollider> Maybe that's a WIP
410 2020-11-06T19:36:39  <achow101> ooh
411 2020-11-06T19:37:00  <achow101> maybe we can delegate the pinging to the bot too
412 2020-11-06T19:40:11  <meshcollider> That would be super handy
413 2020-11-06T19:40:14  <jonatack> meshcollider: with you and luke-jr voting for fee_rate_sat_vb -> fee_rate, LMK if I should start updating. Meanwhile, queuing up and building 18836
414 2020-11-06T19:40:38  <meshcollider> achow101: what do you think ^
415 2020-11-06T19:40:51  <meshcollider> kallewoof might also like to weigh in?
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428 2020-11-06T20:59:29  <jonasschnelli> the wallet meeting was logged by my just created meetingbot (core-meetingbot) https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-11-06-19.00.moin.txt
429 2020-11-06T20:59:47  <jonasschnelli> probably lightningbot are also recoding the meetings...
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431 2020-11-06T21:01:57  <jonasschnelli> I guess those bots just have no right to post in this channel
432 2020-11-06T21:04:04  <jonasschnelli> Indeed. Lightning bot also recorded the last meeting: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-11-05-19.00.log.txt (the one from yesterday).
433 2020-11-06T21:04:37  <luke-jr> weird
434 2020-11-06T21:05:03  <jonasschnelli> I tested the meetingbot (core-meetingbot) in ##bitcoin-core-gui and it works there...
435 2020-11-06T21:05:18  <jonasschnelli> so maybe its the channel mode or so or some sort of bot protection.
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439 2020-11-06T21:32:29  <achow101> jonasschnelli: but lightning bot responded to pings
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441 2020-11-06T21:32:44  <achow101> lightningbot: ping
442 2020-11-06T21:32:44  <lightningbot> pong
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