1 2020-11-20T00:01:06  <miketwenty1> aww i see.. "it must be signed by a recognized certificate authority. Anyone who distributes malware under a valid certificate is held legally accountable for the software they distribute."
  2 2020-11-20T00:01:08  <miketwenty1> makes sense
  3 2020-11-20T00:03:11  <miketwenty1> so you would sign the binaries and places like bitcoin-core.org would have access to achow101's signed exe.. if i follow
  4 2020-11-20T00:04:19  <sipa> all the release binaries are signed
  5 2020-11-20T00:05:12  <sipa> but they're created in a 3-step gitian process; (a) people build and agree on an unsigned build (b) achow signs the binary that comes out and publishes the signature (c) people create a signed build by combining their unsigned binaries with the posted signature
  6 2020-11-20T00:05:59  <miketwenty1> i look forward to learning the process of (c)
  7 2020-11-20T00:06:07  <sipa> it's just gitian
  8 2020-11-20T00:06:49  <miketwenty1> what does that mean? "automated"?
  9 2020-11-20T00:06:52  <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-win.yml for the unsigned build, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-win-signer.yml for the signed one
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 11 2020-11-20T00:10:53  <bitcoin-git> [gui] RandyMcMillan opened pull request #133: qt: amend .gitignore (master...gitignore) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/133
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 13 2020-11-20T00:14:04  <luke-jr> [00:01:06] <miketwenty1> aww i see.. "it must be signed by a recognized certificate authority. Anyone who distributes malware under a valid certificate is held legally accountable for the software they distribute."
 14 2020-11-20T00:14:06  <luke-jr> has that held up?
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 18 2020-11-20T00:27:21  <miketwenty1> luke-jr: no idear.. i read from here https://www.venafi.com/education-center/code-signing/what-is-code-signing
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 22 2020-11-20T00:32:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #20429: refactor: replace (sizeof(a)/sizeof(a[0]) with C++17 std::size (master...20201119-refactor-replace-sizeof-by-std_size) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20429
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 24 2020-11-20T00:57:32  <achow101> miketwenty1: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-process.md describes the entire release process with the gitian-build.py script doing most of the actual commands
 25 2020-11-20T00:57:47  <achow101> you should have a read through of that
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 27 2020-11-20T01:01:10  <miketwenty1> achow101: thanks for the link i looked at this earlier but missed the section "After 3 or more people have gitian-built and their results match: " .. now that 3 PR's have been pulled in.. and mine has been sitting as the 4th.. i should probably do this bit?
 28 2020-11-20T01:03:22  <achow101> that's for the release maintainer to do
 29 2020-11-20T01:03:48  <achow101> Currently we are basically at the "Next steps" header
 30 2020-11-20T01:04:00  <achow101> right where it says "codesigner only"
 31 2020-11-20T01:04:50  <miketwenty1> makes sense
 32 2020-11-20T01:05:22  <sipa> specifically, you are now at the "Non-codesigners: wait for Windows/macOS detached signatures:" stage
 33 2020-11-20T01:05:32  <achow101> the builders stop at the end of that section, after pushing their sigs for the gitian.sigs repo
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 43 2020-11-20T02:26:40  * luke-jr wonders if we should be trying to add support for Apple ARM systems
 44 2020-11-20T02:37:43  <wumpus> luke-jr: #17920
 45 2020-11-20T02:37:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17920 | guix: Build support for macOS by dongcarl · Pull Request #17920 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 46 2020-11-20T02:38:05  <wumpus> also #12557
 47 2020-11-20T02:38:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12557 | [WIP] 64 bit iOS device support by Sjors · Pull Request #12557 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 48 2020-11-20T02:38:47  <fanquake> There should be a few updates on the macOS Guix front shortly
 49 2020-11-20T02:38:53  <luke-jr> wumpus: don't see anything there related?
 50 2020-11-20T02:39:24  <luke-jr> wumpus: I mean macOS ARM
 51 2020-11-20T02:39:32  <luke-jr> that they just started selling recently
 52 2020-11-20T02:39:49  <wumpus> no idea then
 53 2020-11-20T02:40:10  <wumpus> macos ARM used to be iOS
 54 2020-11-20T02:40:24  <wumpus> I don't exactly keep day to day track of what apple is doing fwiw :-)
 55 2020-11-20T02:40:26  <sipa> are they actually for sale already?
 56 2020-11-20T02:40:32  <sipa> i thought they were just announced
 57 2020-11-20T02:41:55  <wumpus> but of course, if that becomes their new architecture then we should support that too
 58 2020-11-20T02:42:11  <fanquake> according to the apple website I can buy one now
 59 2020-11-20T02:42:46  <achow101> they're on sale now
 60 2020-11-20T02:42:56  <sipa> i just mean it's probably hard to for us test anything as long as none of us have hardware
 61 2020-11-20T02:43:05  <sipa> unless there is some sort of simulator
 62 2020-11-20T02:43:11  <achow101> I thought provoostenator got the dev kit
 63 2020-11-20T02:43:47  <sipa> ah cool
 64 2020-11-20T02:43:52  <achow101> in theory we shouldn't need to do anything for now because of their x86 emulator
 65 2020-11-20T02:44:14  <luke-jr> achow101: good luck with IBD
 66 2020-11-20T02:45:26  <luke-jr> x86->ARM isn't going to be like m68k->PPC or PPC->x86
 67 2020-11-20T02:45:52  <luke-jr> even if they got comparable performance, emulation is going to have a very noticable impact, especially on CPU-intensive work
 68 2020-11-20T02:45:53  <wumpus> native build is going to be easy, I expect, building for ARM is also not a challenge, the difficult part is likely what new things need to be reverse engineered to cross-compile for it from gitian
 69 2020-11-20T02:46:16  <wumpus> e.g. for their SDKs and strange toolkits
 70 2020-11-20T02:46:22  <luke-jr> wumpus: I kinda wonder if we can just change the CHOST target…
 71 2020-11-20T02:46:36  <luke-jr> I guess probably need to update the Xcode too
 72 2020-11-20T02:46:39  <wumpus> new kinds of 'fat executables' maybe !
 73 2020-11-20T02:46:46  <luke-jr> ugh
 74 2020-11-20T02:46:58  <fanquake> "Universal binaries"
 75 2020-11-20T02:46:59  <luke-jr> true, I guess we probably can't just ship two different DMGs? XD
 76 2020-11-20T02:48:30  <achow101> they might be enforcing notarization for arm things too?
 77 2020-11-20T02:48:40  <luke-jr> that'd suck
 78 2020-11-20T02:49:13  <luke-jr> I guess in that case we have no choice but to go along with it
 79 2020-11-20T02:49:24  <luke-jr> firstrun dialog warning users of Apple'
 80 2020-11-20T02:49:29  <luke-jr> 's privacy violations?
 81 2020-11-20T02:49:40  <wumpus> they really should have skipped ARM and went straight to RISC-V, of course this means they'll have to go through the process again in a few years :-)
 82 2020-11-20T02:50:10  <luke-jr> why would Apple care to go RISC-V?
 83 2020-11-20T02:51:07  <wumpus> I wasn't entirely serious
 84 2020-11-20T02:51:24  <wumpus> buut just there seems to be some kind of pattern there
 85 2020-11-20T02:52:39  <sipa> the licensing costs and closedness of ARM isn't an issue for them :)
 86 2020-11-20T02:52:57  <achow101> they've been making arm chips for years now
 87 2020-11-20T02:53:04  <sipa> also that
 88 2020-11-20T02:53:33  <luke-jr> I wonder if they're dropping x86 simply to consolidate back to 1 arch
 89 2020-11-20T02:53:56  <achow101> dunno about consolidate, but it's definitely to make the walled garden even more walled
 90 2020-11-20T02:54:04  * luke-jr ponders if there's any decompilers that take advantage of multiple archs
 91 2020-11-20T02:55:47  <achow101> wdym by "take advantage"?
 92 2020-11-20T02:56:05  <wumpus> yes it makes sense from an economic point of view, ARM chips are produced at much larger quantities, it's probably just a lot cheaper for them
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 95 2020-11-20T02:57:16  <luke-jr> achow101: presumably it could infer more about the code
 96 2020-11-20T02:57:23  <luke-jr> maybe not enough to be worth the additional effort tho
 97 2020-11-20T02:57:38  <wumpus> why would you want to decompile apple's garbage anyway
 98 2020-11-20T02:57:46  * luke-jr shrugs
 99 2020-11-20T02:57:55  <luke-jr> it's the kind of thing you'd only do for fun
100 2020-11-20T02:58:10  <wumpus> heh
101 2020-11-20T02:58:18  <achow101> luke-jr: there's decompilers for a lot of archs
102 2020-11-20T02:58:30  <luke-jr> achow101: not quite the same thing
103 2020-11-20T02:58:54  <achow101> not sure what you mean then
104 2020-11-20T02:58:59  <luke-jr> achow101: I mean looking at both the x86 and ARM builds of the same thing, to give better decompilation output
105 2020-11-20T02:59:32  <achow101> ah. the decompilers I know of only take one binary at a time so they can't do that
106 2020-11-20T02:59:37  <luke-jr> right
107 2020-11-20T02:59:55  <wumpus> I do understand luke-jr's point, if you have the guarantee that the same source code is compiled to different architectures and binary formats, that might help learning more about it because the compiler might do slightly different (but deterministic) things
108 2020-11-20T03:02:42  <wumpus> that said, the point of decompilation is rarely to reconstruct as much as possible about the original code, just to have a easier to read representation than assembly language
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110 2020-11-20T03:03:49  <sipa> if decompilers could do that, i'm sure they'd try
111 2020-11-20T03:04:30  <sipa> actually, maybe not, if it were possible to reconstruct something that was more readable than the original code, but not identical, they'd do that
112 2020-11-20T03:04:31  <wumpus> I read something funny about Turbo C 2.0 (or similar) once, that compiler generated such predictable code that it's possible to reconstruct the original C code (besides variable names and comments ofc)
113 2020-11-20T03:05:17  <wumpus> sipa: exactly :)
114 2020-11-20T03:05:52  <luke-jr> [02:57:55] <luke-jr> it's the kind of thing you'd only do for fun
115 2020-11-20T03:05:54  <sipa> in such i world i expect proprietary software to be littered with dummy inline assembly
116 2020-11-20T03:06:16  <wumpus> there is the business case 'I lost the source code and want to reconstruct it' but I expect it's a fairly rare use of decompilers, most use is for figuring out malware
117 2020-11-20T03:06:40  <sipa> wumpus: do you know openttd?
118 2020-11-20T03:06:59  <wumpus> sipa: yes!
119 2020-11-20T03:07:09  <luke-jr> wumpus: meh, don't really even need a decompiler for that
120 2020-11-20T03:07:24  <wumpus> didn't know it was based on decompilation though
121 2020-11-20T03:07:35  <luke-jr> last time I cracked DRM, it was trivial to work from objdump
122 2020-11-20T03:07:47  <achow101> only time i've used a decompiler is for a ctf
123 2020-11-20T03:07:57  <wumpus> luke-jr: no on 'needs' a decompiler, it's kind of a luxury but can definitely speed up things (for people that have to do that work all day)
124 2020-11-20T03:08:00  <luke-jr> capture the flag?
125 2020-11-20T03:08:04  <achow101> yes
126 2020-11-20T03:08:10  <luke-jr> wumpus: well, it didn't take even an hour
127 2020-11-20T03:08:28  <luke-jr> achow101: how do you ctf with a decompiler? O.o
128 2020-11-20T03:08:33  <wumpus> sure, of course...
129 2020-11-20T03:08:38  <miketwenty1> achow101: have you ever done the ctf's at defcon?
130 2020-11-20T03:08:49  <luke-jr> I basically changed a memcmp call to printf or something
131 2020-11-20T03:08:49  <wumpus> 'I can do it all from the raw hex, blindfolded!'
132 2020-11-20T03:09:14  <achow101> luke-jr: reverse engineering challenge
133 2020-11-20T03:09:51  <sipa> wumpus: yeah, i think openttd contains large parts of decompiled transport tycoon deluxe code
134 2020-11-20T03:09:57  <achow101> miketwenty1: no. i've only done some online ones and the one my university ran
135 2020-11-20T03:11:29  <miketwenty1> is https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/gitian-keys/keys.txt up to date? like are these the people to have ever done gpg signed gitian builds?
136 2020-11-20T03:11:55  <miketwenty1> i ask because i noticed emzy isn't on there
137 2020-11-20T03:12:20  <wumpus> miketwenty1: the idea is that people add themselves
138 2020-11-20T03:12:31  <miketwenty1> k
139 2020-11-20T03:12:41  <fanquake> after they’ve done a number of builds
140 2020-11-20T03:13:03  <miketwenty1> is there a magic number before i should add myself fanquake?
141 2020-11-20T03:13:06  <wumpus> if emzy is building but not on there you could prod them to add themselves
142 2020-11-20T03:13:16  <wumpus> 3 or so
143 2020-11-20T03:13:22  <achow101> emzy is there, but maybe that's a different key?
144 2020-11-20T03:14:00  <miketwenty1> ohh maybe emzy is there.. but i was looking at the names..
145 2020-11-20T03:14:10  <luke-jr> XD
146 2020-11-20T03:14:18  <miketwenty1> nvm
147 2020-11-20T03:14:18  <fanquake> Yea 2 or 3. I’m pretty sure it’s in the docs
148 2020-11-20T03:14:18  <miketwenty1> Stephan Oeste (Emzy)
149 2020-11-20T03:15:03  <sipa> ah, so the Apple ARM stuff needs macOS 11, not 10.x
150 2020-11-20T03:15:14  <miketwenty1> i just got done watching mandalorian.. im thinking if i get my name on this list i can get my beskar armor
151 2020-11-20T03:15:16  <sipa> so i guess we'll need to build that with a later xcode
152 2020-11-20T03:15:44  <sipa> but apart from that, i do expect it to be simple (as long as Qt etc support it)
153 2020-11-20T03:16:06  <wumpus> right it doesn't have to be a great number of builds just to prove that a) you can do gitian builds b) you're willing to do them regularly, just to make sure you're not wasting people's time adding the signature
154 2020-11-20T03:16:09  <achow101> i expect apple will have done something that just makes it super painful
155 2020-11-20T03:16:22  <sipa> achow101: not unlikely :)
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157 2020-11-20T03:21:13  <wumpus> we can't do the cross build with xcode, the difficulty is going to be the open source cross toolchain
158 2020-11-20T03:22:15  <sipa> oh right, there may be complications from running an m1/osx-compatible clang on linux
159 2020-11-20T03:22:25  <sipa> osxi i guess...
160 2020-11-20T03:22:31  <wumpus> which needs to produce whatever kind of new binary format they've come up with and maybe they have some fun linker extensions too and whoknows
161 2020-11-20T03:23:50  <wumpus> yeah
162 2020-11-20T03:24:18  <wumpus> even the plists are still a continous source of fun
163 2020-11-20T03:24:27  <sipa> well, all things we can figure out once someone has hardware
164 2020-11-20T03:32:30  <wumpus> I think that's a good way to go about it, no need to be overly eager anyhow, wait a bit for the initial bugs and tooling issues for the platform to be ironed out by others
165 2020-11-20T03:33:52  <fanquake> Yea. Like having your macbook bricked after upgrading to macOS 11
166 2020-11-20T03:34:32  <wumpus> sorry for your loss :/
167 2020-11-20T03:35:02  <fanquake> heh no, I'm remaining firmly on macOS  10. I'll think about an upgrade after a few point releases.
168 2020-11-20T03:35:15  <fanquake> Just seen reports of bricking in older macbooks
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170 2020-11-20T03:41:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0a267f4eb885...2878167c18ee
171 2020-11-20T03:41:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ecc6cf1 Vasil Dimov: test: fix creation of std::string objects with \0s
172 2020-11-20T03:41:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2878167 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20000: test: fix creation of "std::string"s with \0s
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175 2020-11-20T03:41:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20000: test: fix creation of "std::string"s with \0s (master...fix_base32_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20000
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182 2020-11-20T04:21:32  <wumpus> let's try to get #14066 in early in the cycle this time
183 2020-11-20T04:21:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14066 | gitian-linux: Build binaries for 64-bit POWER by luke-jr · Pull Request #14066 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
184 2020-11-20T04:22:28  * fanquake glares at that symbol check regex
185 2020-11-20T04:22:39  <wumpus> I really prefer not to see it on the last minute PRs list for the 22.0 milestone *again* :-)
186 2020-11-20T04:23:50  <wumpus> I'm sure we can simplify things like that later
187 2020-11-20T04:24:41  <miketwenty1> has anyone here used terraform?
188 2020-11-20T04:28:16  <wumpus> fanquake: but agree it's become a horrible mess; at some point we'd likely want to do real ELF parsing instead of parsing the output of readelf, I think in many cases it's easier
189 2020-11-20T04:29:00  <wumpus> no need for regexps in any case
190 2020-11-20T04:29:26  <luke-jr> regexps are better than error-prone parsing :x
191 2020-11-20T04:30:04  <wumpus> they're just as error prone just hide this by being inscrutinable too
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193 2020-11-20T04:36:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2878167c18ee...46f0b2f97601
194 2020-11-20T04:36:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c923872 João Barbosa: refactor: Extract ParseOpCode from ParseScript
195 2020-11-20T04:36:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 46f0b2f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #19851: refactor: Extract ParseOpCode from ParseScript
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198 2020-11-20T04:36:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19851: refactor: Extract ParseOpCode from ParseScript (master...2020-08-parseopcode) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19851
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200 2020-11-20T04:39:29  <luke-jr> wumpus: not really
201 2020-11-20T04:40:55  <wumpus> in any case, parsing command output text was the wrong way to go about this (this is my fault, it seemed easier when it was still a few simple checks, it always starts out like that doesn't it)
202 2020-11-20T04:41:22  <luke-jr> parsing ELF sounds a lot harder tho
203 2020-11-20T04:41:43  <wumpus> it's really easy
204 2020-11-20T04:41:49  <wumpus> just some fixed binary headers
205 2020-11-20T04:42:31  <wumpus> that we only handle a small subset of possible architectures makes it even simpler
206 2020-11-20T04:43:00  <sipa> yeah and then some architecture is added with 9-bit bytes, and all your parsing code breaks!
207 2020-11-20T04:43:43  <wumpus> I'm sure readelf would choke on that too :)
208 2020-11-20T04:46:33  <sipa> wumpus: are you up early, or up late?
209 2020-11-20T04:47:55  <wumpus> but joking aside the ELF format has been really stable since, 1995 or so (when spec 1.2 was released), of course there have been some platform-specific extensions but the essence is still exactly the same, there's not many data formats that stable
210 2020-11-20T04:47:59  <wumpus> sipa: very early
211 2020-11-20T04:50:52  <fanquake> wumpus: it did feel a bit too early for you to be merging things
212 2020-11-20T04:52:22  <sipa> wumpus: excited for 0.21 huh :p
213 2020-11-20T04:53:51  <wumpus> sipa: kind of! mostly excited for the feature merge window to be open again, but yes :p
214 2020-11-20T04:54:19  <sipa> ok, excited for 0.22!
215 2020-11-20T04:54:21  <fanquake> already into all the cool new stuff for 22.0
216 2020-11-20T04:54:25  <wumpus> right
217 2020-11-20T05:03:05  <wumpus> i just rolled out of bed and had some energy and motivation which is great, will probably crash later
218 2020-11-20T05:05:19  <fanquake> then you can take the afternoon off!
219 2020-11-20T05:07:52  <wumpus> yess
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221 2020-11-20T05:11:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/46f0b2f97601...fdd068507d26
222 2020-11-20T05:11:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa5ed3b MarcoFalke: net: Use Span in ReceiveMsgBytes
223 2020-11-20T05:11:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fdd0685 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20056: net: Use Span in ReceiveMsgBytes
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226 2020-11-20T05:11:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20056: net: Use Span in ReceiveMsgBytes (master...2010-netSpan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20056
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228 2020-11-20T05:11:54  <achow101> fanquake: already committed to calling it 22.0?
229 2020-11-20T05:12:47  <wumpus> I've started calling it 22.0 because it results in the least bikeshedding (at least here)
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232 2020-11-20T05:15:55  <fanquake> achow: lock it in
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234 2020-11-20T05:18:13  * achow101 stares at all of the Concept ACks but no real ACKs on the #20223
235 2020-11-20T05:18:15  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20223 | Drop the leading 0 from the version number by achow101 · Pull Request #20223 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
236 2020-11-20T05:19:38  <achow101> fanquake: uh oh osx mismatch
237 2020-11-20T05:19:38  <achow101> - 0c7d12fc7de3c9c1649f3266fd266dcc8e51c8d6ffb3f873304feb79f7bbc594  bitcoin-0.21.0rc1-osx-unsigned.dmg
238 2020-11-20T05:19:38  <achow101> + 35dfd3c5bf817585bd2a9dc63391f9ffe89da0fbd42cd881ec6e215178bc14b7  bitcoin-0.21.0rc1-osx-unsigned.dmg
239 2020-11-20T05:20:39  <fanquake> yea I'll be taking a look
240 2020-11-20T05:20:51  <wumpus> achow101: the concept is what you would need most agreement on there
241 2020-11-20T05:20:52  <fanquake> good thing we've already committed to an rc2
242 2020-11-20T05:21:09  <achow101> $20 on genisoimage being the problem, again
243 2020-11-20T05:21:13  <achow101> wumpus: true
244 2020-11-20T05:21:46  <wumpus> achow101: I don't think so, that didn't affect the dmg :)
245 2020-11-20T05:22:33  <achow101> s/genisoimage/unclean cache
246 2020-11-20T05:22:37  <wumpus> well at least if you mean 'discrepancy in the genisoimage binary'
247 2020-11-20T05:22:52  <wumpus> of course, genisoimage will have an important part in creating the dmg
248 2020-11-20T05:23:43  <fanquake> have been chatting to Carl, and I think we are going to revive some of #18151, so we can dump genisoimage
249 2020-11-20T05:23:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18151 | build: replace libdmg and genisoimage with xorriso by fanquake · Pull Request #18151 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
250 2020-11-20T05:23:52  <wumpus> yes, last times I had osx mismatches, deleting the cache solved it
251 2020-11-20T05:24:13  <achow101> what if we just dump macos :)
252 2020-11-20T05:24:14  <fanquake> rather used some  tools that are being actively maintained
253 2020-11-20T05:24:28  <wumpus> fanquake: let's hope the new tool doesn't have a world of fresh new issues!
254 2020-11-20T05:24:32  <fanquake> 🤯
255 2020-11-20T05:25:24  <wumpus> but yes using an actively maintained tool is better especially if you want to keep up with new macos versions and their weridnesses
256 2020-11-20T05:25:47  <fanquake> hopefully avoid more things like #19553
257 2020-11-20T05:25:49  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19553 | build: pass -fcommon when building genisoimage by fanquake · Pull Request #19553 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
258 2020-11-20T05:26:00  <wumpus> achow101: it's curious, it always used to be windows that caused problems all the time, seems really quiet on that front
259 2020-11-20T05:26:16  <wumpus> either no one is running windows anymore or it just works
260 2020-11-20T05:26:30  <luke-jr> wumpus: I don't think fixed size reads are gonna do what that code is..
261 2020-11-20T05:26:32  <achow101> it seems to just work now
262 2020-11-20T05:27:19  <wumpus> luke-jr: what does it do then?
263 2020-11-20T05:27:27  <luke-jr> wumpus: I forget :D
264 2020-11-20T05:27:46  <luke-jr> but it's definitely variable length
265 2020-11-20T05:28:03  <luke-jr> achow101: real ACKs belong on #20251 :P
266 2020-11-20T05:28:05  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20251 | Move major version to first version integer as specified by SemVer by luke-jr · Pull Request #20251 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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268 2020-11-20T05:29:59  <luke-jr> my osx matches fanquake's fwiw
269 2020-11-20T05:30:19  <wumpus> most of the security checks are literally just 'check a bit flag in some header', some check for presence of a symbol, I guess reading strings (say, for section names) is the only variable length operation but also a very straightforward one
270 2020-11-20T05:32:15  <fanquake> who wants to upload a dmg somewhere
271 2020-11-20T05:32:33  <achow101> fanquake: already doing that, just slowly
272 2020-11-20T05:32:44  <wumpus> I don't have macosx output yet
273 2020-11-20T05:33:32  <luke-jr> wumpus: looks like it's symobl versions
274 2020-11-20T05:33:37  <luke-jr> wumpus: it's parsing: 4: 0000000000000000     0 FUNC    GLOBAL DEFAULT [<localentry>: 8]   UND memcpy@GLIBC_2.17 (2)
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276 2020-11-20T05:34:21  <achow101> fanquake: https://github.com/achow101/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.21.0rc1
277 2020-11-20T05:34:54  <fanquake> achow101: thanks
278 2020-11-20T05:35:00  <wumpus> well-if you load the symbol table directly at least all those fields will be at fixed offsets within a record, no ambiguity what starts where, the symbol name location is always at the same offset
279 2020-11-20T05:35:10  <luke-jr> wumpus: true
280 2020-11-20T05:36:26  <wumpus> this could be the case for text output too, but readelf definitely doesn't heed that, column sizes change all the time; columns differ per architecture; it's clearly for human consumption not machine parsing
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282 2020-11-20T05:38:15  <luke-jr> indeed
283 2020-11-20T05:38:52  <luke-jr> fwiw mine are uploading to https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/bitcoind/0.21.0/test/rc1/ if anyone wants it
284 2020-11-20T05:38:57  <luke-jr> uploaded*
285 2020-11-20T05:42:01  <fanquake> diffoscope has died at 40%. So I guess I'll just give up
286 2020-11-20T05:42:16  <achow101> lol
287 2020-11-20T05:43:28  <achow101> looks like the problem is in bitcoin-qt
288 2020-11-20T05:43:52  <fanquake> oh actually I  think I know what the issue is
289 2020-11-20T05:44:13  <fanquake> It's a determinism  issue in LLVM 8
290 2020-11-20T05:44:58  <fanquake> Carl and Cory were discussing this morning, and the asm diff I'm looking at now looks almost exactly the same to what Carl had posted
291 2020-11-20T05:45:20  <achow101> https://0bin.net/paste/p9X9SsZs#wJ4QGl2WQMl1nk5edZ-pa2zIjPYjinBzxJ6VOWPlKaL
292 2020-11-20T05:46:33  <wumpus> tar: Xcode-11.3.1-11C505-extracted-SDK-with-libcxx-headers.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
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294 2020-11-20T05:48:23  <achow101> fanquake: but it only effects qt?
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297 2020-11-20T05:49:30  <luke-jr> affects*
298 2020-11-20T05:49:42  <fanquake> achow101: From what I saw there was only an issue in Qt. Cory had bisected to a commit in LLVM. Just pulling up the details
299 2020-11-20T05:49:43  <achow101> english is hard
300 2020-11-20T05:51:33  <fanquake> I think this is the culprit: https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/db101864bdc938deb1d63fe4f7da761bd38e5cae
301 2020-11-20T05:52:05  <luke-jr> lol, supposed to avoid nondeterminism and yet introduces it?
302 2020-11-20T05:52:13  <fanquake> *commit that needs to be backported
303 2020-11-20T05:52:17  <luke-jr> ah
304 2020-11-20T05:53:02  <achow101> did the llvm version change since 0.20.1?
305 2020-11-20T05:54:33  <fanquake> We moved from Clang 6.0.1 to 8.0.0
306 2020-11-20T05:54:53  <achow101> oh
307 2020-11-20T05:55:29  <fanquake> #19240
308 2020-11-20T05:55:33  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19240 | build: macOS toolchain simplification and bump by dongcarl · Pull Request #19240 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
309 2020-11-20T05:55:45  <fanquake> Also why we got the Xcode SDK/tarball
310 2020-11-20T05:57:17  <achow101> so the fix is to apply that commit ourselves during depends build?
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312 2020-11-20T05:59:08  <fanquake> The issue is that we download a prebuilt Clang. So we'd have to compile ourselves if we want that fix. I don't think there is an 8.x version available that has it
313 2020-11-20T06:01:51  <achow101> is 8.x required?
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315 2020-11-20T06:02:42  <fanquake> It was picked to "line up" with other macOS tools and the SDK
316 2020-11-20T06:03:30  <fanquake> I've pinged Carl/Cory, they might already have something in mind, but will be sleeping
317 2020-11-20T06:05:56  <achow101> do you know what exactly the nature of the nondeterminism is? istm we should all have different osx results
318 2020-11-20T06:08:57  <fanquake> Not exactly sorry. From the discussion I saw they were digging somewhere in qpaintengine
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320 2020-11-20T06:27:13  <achow101> fanquake: can you link me to the discussion?
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323 2020-11-20T06:29:54  <fanquake> achow101: I would but it's in a group chat, & not public
324 2020-11-20T06:30:36  <fanquake> It's just where we occasionally talk about "cool" & exciting build system stuff heh
325 2020-11-20T06:30:48  <achow101> these build people doing things behind closed doors :p
326 2020-11-20T06:30:57  <achow101> I thought that's what #bitcoin-builds was for
327 2020-11-20T06:31:34  <fanquake> Yea we probably need to start diverting some traffic into that
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341 2020-11-20T07:20:37  <Kiminuo> MarcoFalke, Hi, would you possibly know how to add `-lstdc++fs`. It seems I need that to avoid linking errors on Ubuntu 18.04. I compile like this:  ./autogen.sh && ./configure CC=gcc-8 CXX=g++-8 BDB_LIBS="-L${BDB_PREFIX}/lib -ldb_cxx-4.8" BDB_CFLAGS="-I${BDB_PREFIX}/include" && make -j10
342 2020-11-20T07:20:43  <Kiminuo> ?
343 2020-11-20T07:21:48  <Kiminuo> (https://stackoverflow.com/a/33159746)
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349 2020-11-20T07:43:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #20430: sanitizers: Add suppression for unsigned-integer-overflow in libstdc++ (master...2020/11/suppressions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20430
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353 2020-11-20T07:54:09  <jonasschnelli> Oh. Our apple developer program expires in 9 days. Better renew now.
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355 2020-11-20T07:59:16  <hebasto> catching up the macos non-deterministic gitian builds (4 sigs vs 2 sigs). Do I understand correctly that we blame llvm?
356 2020-11-20T08:04:46  <fanquake> hebasto: that's correct. I'll make sure to summarize in an issue on the repo once I've talked to Carl / Cory. They were debugging the same issue earlier from what I can tell.
357 2020-11-20T08:05:20  <hebasto> fanquake: thanks
358 2020-11-20T08:08:19  <jonasschnelli> fanquake: is 0.21.0rc1 mac non deterministic? Shall I wait with the code signatures?
359 2020-11-20T08:11:15  <fanquake> jonasschnelli: yea it is. We think it's an issue in LLVM 8. I don't think you necessarily have to wait with the sigs, as the fix could be involved, and we've had non-determinism in an rc before. However up to you.
360 2020-11-20T08:12:23  <fanquake> We've already got an rc2 happening because of some wallet fixes, and now the non-determinism, so we could probably even just skip the signed binaries for rc1
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362 2020-11-20T08:13:51  <jonasschnelli> ack.. thanks. I just read the backlog.
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364 2020-11-20T08:14:09  <jonasschnelli> I'll skip rc1
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367 2020-11-20T08:30:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20431: [backport 0.21] tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx (0.21...202011-test-taproot-signmany) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20431
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370 2020-11-20T08:31:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fdd068507d26...3d632c3f4930
371 2020-11-20T08:31:51  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7ffac12 Anthony Towns: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx
372 2020-11-20T08:31:51  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3d632c3 MarcoFalke: Merge #20428: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx
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375 2020-11-20T08:32:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20428: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx (master...202011-test-taproot-signmany) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20428
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378 2020-11-20T08:35:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3d632c3f4930...c45e1d9aa7f0
379 2020-11-20T08:35:42  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2fc5efc Riccardo Spagni: Update pruning tooltip, original author BitcoinErrorLog
380 2020-11-20T08:35:43  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c45e1d9 Jonas Schnelli: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#21: Update pruning tooltip, original author Bitcoin...
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383 2020-11-20T08:36:03  <bitcoin-git> [gui] jonasschnelli merged pull request #21: Update pruning tooltip, original author BitcoinErrorLog (master...bel_tooltip_change) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/21
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386 2020-11-20T08:38:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c45e1d9aa7f0...094663842d0b
387 2020-11-20T08:38:35  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 76277cc João Barbosa: qt: Hide peer detail view if multiple are selected
388 2020-11-20T08:38:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0946638 Jonas Schnelli: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#13: Hide peer detail view if multiple are selected
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391 2020-11-20T08:38:55  <bitcoin-git> [gui] jonasschnelli merged pull request #13: Hide peer detail view if multiple are selected (master...2020-06-peer-detail-view) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/13
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402 2020-11-20T09:26:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20432: net: Treat raw message bytes as uint8_t (master...2011-netBytesUint8) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20432
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408 2020-11-20T09:54:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/094663842d0b...4c2ee5c85589
409 2020-11-20T09:54:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2a55a0e MarcoFalke: Squashed 'src/univalue/' changes from 98261b1e7b..98fadc0909
410 2020-11-20T09:54:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa17eef MarcoFalke: Update univalue subtree
411 2020-11-20T09:54:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4c2ee5c fanquake: Merge #20424: build: Update univalue subtree
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414 2020-11-20T09:55:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20424: build: Update univalue subtree (master...2011-subtreeUnivalue) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20424
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418 2020-11-20T09:56:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4c2ee5c85589...ea460291f97d
419 2020-11-20T09:56:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0f020cd Jonas Schnelli: sanitizers: Add suppression for unsigned-integer-overflow in libstdc++ bas...
420 2020-11-20T09:56:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ea46029 fanquake: Merge #20430: sanitizers: Add suppression for unsigned-integer-overflow in...
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423 2020-11-20T09:56:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20430: sanitizers: Add suppression for unsigned-integer-overflow in libstdc++ (master...2020/11/suppressions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20430
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432 2020-11-20T10:50:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to 0.21: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/80496f9e8116...bf9548bc5945
433 2020-11-20T10:50:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 7ffac12 Anthony Towns: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx
434 2020-11-20T10:50:46  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 bf9548b MarcoFalke: Merge #20431: [backport 0.21] tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of fu...
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437 2020-11-20T10:51:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20431: [backport 0.21] tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx (0.21...202011-test-taproot-signmany) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20431
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440 2020-11-20T11:03:33  <MarcoFalke> Glad we pushed the rc1 yesterday. Was sort of expected to hit a gitian issue
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445 2020-11-20T11:49:01  <provoostenator> I just pushed mine. macOS is the same as luke-jr and fanquake
446 2020-11-20T11:50:03  <provoostenator> I think my gitian tooling is up to date,  since I tested PR's related to macOS (SDK) changes
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450 2020-11-20T12:04:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #20434: contrib: Parse ELF directly for symbol and security checks (master...2020_11_pixie) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20434
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454 2020-11-20T12:12:39  <fanquake> heh pixie
455 2020-11-20T12:15:04  <Kiminuo> hmm, this seems to be the magic formular to compile code <filesystem> on Ubuntu 18.04: "g++-8 --std=c++17 main.cpp -lstdc++fs" ... now there must be an easy way to specify it for Bitcoin core build. I have tried:  ./autogen.sh && ./configure CC=gcc-8 CXX="g++-8" LDFLAGS="-lstdc++fs" --with-incompatible-bdb && make -j10
456 2020-11-20T12:15:05  <Kiminuo>  but apparently that's not it
457 2020-11-20T12:15:23  <Kiminuo> any tips?
458 2020-11-20T12:16:55  <wumpus> 😈
459 2020-11-20T12:17:46  <fanquake> it took me a second
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461 2020-11-20T12:19:06  <Kiminuo> Hm, not funny :D
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463 2020-11-20T12:20:43  <wumpus> Kiminuo: weird, LDFLAGS should work to specify an additional library
464 2020-11-20T12:23:12  <wumpus> Kiminuo: you've checked make V=1 to see if it doesn't get passed at all?
465 2020-11-20T12:23:13  <Kiminuo> "g++-8 --std=c++17 -lstdc++fs main.cpp" this fails with the similar errors as " ./autogen.sh && ./configure CC=gcc-8 CXX="g++-8" LDFLAGS="-lstdc++fs" --with-incompatible-bdb && make -j10"
466 2020-11-20T12:23:29  <wumpus> okay
467 2020-11-20T12:23:52  <Kiminuo>  LDFLAGS       = -lpthread  -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now -Wl,-z,separate-code -pie   -lstdc++fs
468 2020-11-20T12:23:57  <Kiminuo> this is reported by ./configure
469 2020-11-20T12:24:05  <wumpus> looks okay to me
470 2020-11-20T12:24:05  <Kiminuo> so I think it is added ok
471 2020-11-20T12:25:14  <Kiminuo>  CXX           = g++-8 -std=c++17
472 2020-11-20T12:25:19  <Kiminuo> this is also from the configure
473 2020-11-20T12:25:28  <Kiminuo> should "std" be with two hyphens?
474 2020-11-20T12:25:37  <Kiminuo> like this:  CXX           = g++-8 --std=c++17
475 2020-11-20T12:25:37  <Kiminuo> ?
476 2020-11-20T12:26:14  <Kiminuo> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53201991/how-to-use-stdfilesystem-on-gcc-8 ... some guy wrote "--std=c++17 -lstdc++fs"
477 2020-11-20T12:26:19  <Kiminuo> so not sure
478 2020-11-20T12:27:18  <Kiminuo> seems like one hyphen is ok
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483 2020-11-20T12:36:06  <fanquake> Cory has confirmed that the macOS determinism issue is the same one him and Carl had seen, and bisected to a commit in LLVM. Possible that we might be able to get away with a workaround in Qt rather than having to either switch to a newer compiler, or build our own.
484 2020-11-20T12:36:14  <fanquake> He said he could open an issue on the repo with some more details.
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492 2020-11-20T13:07:44  <wumpus> Kiminuo: if it also doesn't work for a stand-alone main.cpp, then maybe the workaround doesn't work
493 2020-11-20T13:08:13  <Kiminuo> g++-8 --std=c++17 main.cpp -lstdc++fs
494 2020-11-20T13:08:17  <Kiminuo> this works
495 2020-11-20T13:08:33  <Kiminuo> wumpus, or I should say, it does not report any errors
496 2020-11-20T13:09:16  <wumpus> so it needs to be the last argument? okay, I don't think you're going to be able to do that without makefile changes
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498 2020-11-20T13:10:40  <Kiminuo> wumpus, looks like that
499 2020-11-20T13:10:46  <Kiminuo> hmm
500 2020-11-20T13:11:01  <Kiminuo> I'm not good in autotools stuff.
501 2020-11-20T13:12:18  <Kiminuo> any dirty trick to make it work?
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527 2020-11-20T14:38:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #20435: util: use stronger-guarantee rename method (master...rename) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20435
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532 2020-11-20T14:44:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20223: build: Drop the leading 0 from the version number (master...drop-leading-0) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20223
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546 2020-11-20T15:18:34  <vasild> MarcoFalke: where do you check gcc status wrt c++17 support? I couldn't find anything relevant to std::filesystem in https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/status.html or https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
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548 2020-11-20T15:19:20  <MarcoFalke> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support#cpp17
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550 2020-11-20T15:19:34  <MarcoFalke> it says "8 (partial)*"
551 2020-11-20T15:21:06  <MarcoFalke> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/status.html#status.iso.2017 says "(GCC 8.x requires linking with -lstdc++fs)"
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553 2020-11-20T15:30:30  <vasild> MarcoFalke: when I opened #20435 I assumed we have (full) c++17 support, naive me...
554 2020-11-20T15:30:32  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20435 | util: use stronger-guarantee rename method by vasild · Pull Request #20435 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
555 2020-11-20T15:31:14  <MarcoFalke> vasild: One does not simply open a pr without opening a can of worms
556 2020-11-20T15:31:26  <vasild> some of the compile errors on CI are "#include <filesystem> - file not found", so will not be fixed by linking with an extra library stdc++fs
557 2020-11-20T15:32:13  <vasild> indeed, and it looked like a small innocent change...
558 2020-11-20T15:32:24  <vasild> "nothing could go wrong with this"
559 2020-11-20T15:32:45  <MarcoFalke> Oh. The ci issues can probably be fixed by installing gcc 8 (it is available in bionic)
560 2020-11-20T15:33:30  <vasild> hmm
561 2020-11-20T15:36:57  <vasild> MarcoFalke: don't we want to stick to the default compiler for a given distro?
562 2020-11-20T15:37:38  <vasild> in order not to ask users to bother with installing a compiler?
563 2020-11-20T15:37:51  <MarcoFalke> unsure, maybe for the 0.22 release, but later we could change that
564 2020-11-20T15:38:09  <vasild> 22.0 you mean? :)
565 2020-11-20T15:39:41  <MarcoFalke> heh
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572 2020-11-20T16:32:47  <sipa> wumpus: ELF looks surprisingly simple
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576 2020-11-20T16:52:27  <dongcarl> Posted some debugging notes for the llvm-nonreproducibility issue
577 2020-11-20T16:52:30  <dongcarl> In #bitcoin-builds
578 2020-11-20T16:52:35  <wumpus> sipa: it is!
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580 2020-11-20T16:53:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #19488: Refactor mempool.dat to be extensible, and store missing info (master...mempool_dat_extensible) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19488
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586 2020-11-20T17:07:56  <sipa> wumpus: for the python typing annotation you want to run it in mypy
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588 2020-11-20T17:08:41  <wumpus> right, I don't have that installed locally, I probably should
589 2020-11-20T17:11:05  <luke-jr> wumpus: thoughts on using 0.20.2 & 0.21.0 as a trial run for how fast users could upgrade for Taproot?
590 2020-11-20T17:11:21  <luke-jr> https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/1329827478672728065?s=20
591 2020-11-20T17:11:35  <luke-jr> maybe release notes could include a short paragraph to this effect
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593 2020-11-20T17:17:25  <aj> luke-jr: they're both important preparatory steps before deploying taproot (0.20.2 avoids network spam, 0.21.0 shakes out the major upgrade bugs), so not sure it's even a "trial" rather than the first leg of the relay or something?
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595 2020-11-20T17:24:24  <luke-jr> aj: I mean in the sense of "If you want Taproot activated sooner, upgrade ASAP to show how quickly deployment can happen"
596 2020-11-20T17:25:50  <aj> luke-jr: yeah, i just mean that you should be upgrading to those versions for practical reasons anyway, not just because of how people might read the stats later
597 2020-11-20T17:27:34  <luke-jr> aj: perhaps, but without a kick like this, I'm not sure many people will see it that way
598 2020-11-20T17:27:54  <luke-jr> or might figure "I'll just wait and upgrade immediately when activation is released"
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600 2020-11-20T17:30:28  <TallTim> lol I still run 0.13 on an old box
601 2020-11-20T17:30:42  <TallTim> newer on newer machines.
602 2020-11-20T17:32:26  <luke-jr> TallTim: I have 0.13 for my cold wallet too :p
603 2020-11-20T17:32:49  <TallTim> Armory pretty much requires older client as far as I know
604 2020-11-20T17:32:57  <luke-jr> :/
605 2020-11-20T17:33:12  <TallTim> its not maintained like it was, so its frozen in time
606 2020-11-20T17:35:01  <TallTim> I specify a data directory on my NAS for v0.19 to dump blockdata. I keep a monthly archive and an active blockchain directory.
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614 2020-11-20T18:18:15  <achow101> luke-jr: fanquake: can you try rebuilding and clearing the cache and see if you get the other result?
615 2020-11-20T18:21:55  <luke-jr> I didn't have a cache to begin with…
616 2020-11-20T18:22:11  <luke-jr> aside from the dpkg cache, which I intentionally have set to never update
617 2020-11-20T18:26:56  <achow101> yeah I just want to see if repeated builds by the same builder get different results
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626 2020-11-20T19:05:29  <fjahr> No wallet meeting today?
627 2020-11-20T19:06:44  <achow101> oh yeah wallet meeting
628 2020-11-20T19:06:55  <achow101> meshcollider is probably busy
629 2020-11-20T19:06:57  <achow101> #startmeeting
630 2020-11-20T19:06:58  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Fri Nov 20 19:06:57 2020 UTC.  The chair is achow101. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
631 2020-11-20T19:06:58  <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
632 2020-11-20T19:07:00  <emzy> hi
633 2020-11-20T19:07:02  <jonatack> hi
634 2020-11-20T19:07:16  <fjahr> hi
635 2020-11-20T19:07:36  <achow101> any topics
636 2020-11-20T19:08:23  <fjahr> nope, I just hope to do some more reviews in the next days
637 2020-11-20T19:08:24  <jonatack> high-priority i guess
638 2020-11-20T19:08:30  <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball ariard digi_james amiti fjahr jeremyrubin emilengler jonatack hebasto
639 2020-11-20T19:08:30  <achow101>  jb55 kvaciral ariard digi_james amiti fjahr jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 elichai2
640 2020-11-20T19:08:48  <achow101> #topic high priority for review
641 2020-11-20T19:08:48  <core-meetingbot> topic: high priority for review
642 2020-11-20T19:09:38  <achow101> anything to add?
643 2020-11-20T19:09:53  <jonatack> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/45
644 2020-11-20T19:09:57  <achow101> all i have is coin selection stuff. #20040
645 2020-11-20T19:10:00  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20040 | wallet: Refactor OutputGroups to handle fees and spending eligibility on grouping by achow101 · Pull Request #20040 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
646 2020-11-20T19:10:21  <jonatack> 3 wallet PRs remain for 0.21
647 2020-11-20T19:10:40  <jonatack> achow101: i hope to review that one soon
648 2020-11-20T19:11:13  <jonatack> fjahr: what about your coinstats work? what needs review
649 2020-11-20T19:11:25  <achow101> For 0.21 we still have #20426, #20403, and  #20410
650 2020-11-20T19:11:27  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20426 | wallet: allow zero-fee fundrawtransaction/walletcreatefundedpsbt and other fixes by jonatack · Pull Request #20426 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
651 2020-11-20T19:11:29  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20410 | wallet: Do not treat default constructed types as None-type by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #20410 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
652 2020-11-20T19:11:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20403 | wallet: upgradewallet fixes, improvements, test coverage by jonatack · Pull Request #20403 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
653 2020-11-20T19:12:28  <jonatack> pinging murch for the meeting
654 2020-11-20T19:13:42  <murch> hi
655 2020-11-20T19:13:51  <jonatack> hey :)
656 2020-11-20T19:14:54  <achow101> anything to discuss about these prs?
657 2020-11-20T19:14:55  <fjahr> jonatack: I need to finish addressing john's feedback, on #19055. #19521 can be reviewed in parallel but I hope 19055 can be ready soon, that would make things easier.
658 2020-11-20T19:15:00  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19055 | Add MuHash3072 implementation by fjahr · Pull Request #19055 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
659 2020-11-20T19:15:01  <jonatack> murch, if you could re-ack 20426 that would be swell
660 2020-11-20T19:15:04  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19521 | Coinstats Index (without UTXO set hash) by fjahr · Pull Request #19521 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
661 2020-11-20T19:15:44  <jonatack> fjahr: ping me wen ready, one of my 22.0 goalz is to help you land all that
662 2020-11-20T19:15:59  <fjahr> jonatack: will do, thanks
663 2020-11-20T19:17:06  <jonatack> achow101: i think those 3 PRs are pretty much ready, pending enough review
664 2020-11-20T19:17:41  <achow101> i'll try to review them (again) after i finish banging my head into this build system wall
665 2020-11-20T19:18:27  <jonatack> good luck
666 2020-11-20T19:18:52  <achow101> anything else to discuss?
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669 2020-11-20T19:19:42  <achow101> #endmeeting
670 2020-11-20T19:19:42  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
671 2020-11-20T19:19:42  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Fri Nov 20 19:19:42 2020 UTC.
672 2020-11-20T19:19:42  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-11-20-19.06.moin.txt
673 2020-11-20T19:20:22  <achow101> jonasschnelli: does core-meetingbot have a command to do the channel ping?
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675 2020-11-20T19:20:42  <jonasschnelli> achow101: not yet. That would be another plugin
676 2020-11-20T19:20:54  <jonasschnelli> I can try to add it.
677 2020-11-20T19:21:14  <achow101> it'd be super helpful
678 2020-11-20T19:21:26  <jonasschnelli> Agree.
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680 2020-11-20T19:34:10  <miketwenty1> does anyone have stats / data on how many downloads or what the usage is of the different bitcoin node downloads? linux/windows/mac ?
681 2020-11-20T19:39:56  <wumpus> no, no one is keeping download statistics
682 2020-11-20T19:42:18  <miketwenty1> wumpus wouldn't the admins of bitcoin-core.org / bitcoin.org have these stats.. not sure what you mean by "no one"
683 2020-11-20T19:42:47  <wumpus> there are no trackers or anything on the site; it's sometimes inconvenient but for a project like this it's very important to stay above the table in that regard
684 2020-11-20T19:42:48  <miketwenty1> bitcoincore.org*
685 2020-11-20T19:43:36  <miketwenty1> i see.. im guessing you help run the downloads available on bitcoincore.org?
686 2020-11-20T19:44:05  <achow101> this is information that I will be gathering in my survey
687 2020-11-20T19:45:28  <miketwenty1> achow101: i look forward to seeing comparisons in percentage to downloads of (linux/windows/mac) .. specifically knowing how many mac downloads we have in comparison will be interesting to me
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689 2020-11-20T20:01:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #20436: depends: Add a nasty qt hack to work around clang non-determinism (0.21...fix-clang-qt-determinism) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20436
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705 2020-11-20T21:06:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #20437: fuzz: Avoid time-based "non-determinism" in fuzzing harnesses by using mocked GetTime() (master...fuzzers-remove-time-based-non-determinism) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20437
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