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  4 2021-02-05T00:34:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #21083: wallet: Avoid requesting fee rates multiple times during coin selection (master...createtx-same-feerate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21083
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 28 2021-02-05T03:39:23  <sipa> sdaftuar: yw
 29 2021-02-05T04:03:35  <dr_orlovsky> sipa: are there any plans of creating BIP-43 new purpose for XCoordOnly pubkey derivation? I assume this is desirable since it is not recommended to use keys for Schnorr signatures in ECDSA
 30 2021-02-05T04:08:00  <sipa> dr_orlovsky: i have no interest in that
 31 2021-02-05T04:11:18  <dr_orlovsky> ok, but how do you think, is it required at all (as a support for "good practices"?)
 32 2021-02-05T04:13:17  <sipa> yeah, you'll probably want a separate bip32 path for P2TR outputs; but that has nothing to do with ECDSA/Schnorr; you just don't want to reuse the same keys
 33 2021-02-05T04:13:53  <sipa> i don't know if that needs a standard like BIP43 - perhaps it helps
 34 2021-02-05T04:14:27  <sipa> in general i prefer being explicit about usage using descriptors and similar things rather than making them implicitly dependent on the key path
 35 2021-02-05T04:14:32  <sipa> but i haven't thought very hard about this
 36 2021-02-05T04:15:21  <dr_orlovsky> clear, thank you
 37 2021-02-05T04:17:29  <sipa> you're right of course that using the same key in schnorr and ecdsa should be discouraged (i personally expect it is not less secure than just ecdsa with that key, but i also don't think anyone has formally analyzed this)... but in the context of bitcoin script signing, this advice is sort of preempted by the fact that you shouldn't be reusing keys _at all_ for whatever purpose
 38 2021-02-05T04:19:28  <dr_orlovsky> wouldn't tagging key with its own hash for P2TR prevent key reuse with ECDSA anyway?
 39 2021-02-05T04:19:38  <dr_orlovsky> *tagging -> tweaking
 40 2021-02-05T04:20:00  <sipa> yes, but not in a meaningful way
 41 2021-02-05T04:20:08  <sipa> they'd still be related keys
 42 2021-02-05T04:20:15  <dr_orlovsky> true
 43 2021-02-05T04:20:47  <dr_orlovsky> you will have a ECDSA->tweaked taproot simple derivation so you can index blockchain
 44 2021-02-05T04:21:00  <sipa> i guess that means this whole point is moot, and we should probably have a deep look at proving security of ECDSA and Schnorr signatures of linearly related keys (as those created by P2C-tweaking or BIP32 derivation result)
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 46 2021-02-05T04:21:32  <sipa> i can't imagine that this poses problems, but it'd be good to formally prove it
 47 2021-02-05T04:22:16  <sipa> because say hardware wallets may use one root key for both ecdsa and schnorr signing, even if that happens through separate subtrees
 48 2021-02-05T04:23:34  <dr_orlovsky> wouldn't hardened derivation cancel any potential correlation?
 49 2021-02-05T04:24:11  <dr_orlovsky> so BIP43-type new purpose value for P2TR will be a good solution in this respect as well?
 50 2021-02-05T04:24:40  <sipa> ah, does it use hardened derivation at that step? i'm not familiar with these standards
 51 2021-02-05T04:24:45  <sipa> in that case, yes, indeed
 52 2021-02-05T04:24:52  <dr_orlovsky> it does
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 72 2021-02-05T07:33:20  <wumpus> sipa: that's a very good description, i've often wondered if we could increase the default maximum number of connections if we could somehow limit the resources every single one can take, this is a good general improvement
 73 2021-02-05T07:35:59  <wumpus> (the other approach would be the micro-management side, e.g. scoring, but a negotiation phase in which some kinds of more expensive messages are already explicitly disallowed makes a lot of sense)
 74 2021-02-05T07:49:44  <wumpus> jamesob | jonatack: *adds myspace to list of alternatives* <- kidding aside i have wondered at times whether github is close enough to a social network that layering something like it on top of say, fediverse or matrix protocol would make sense
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 77 2021-02-05T07:52:28  <wumpus> it would have some advantages compared to e-mail e.g. moderation features, not as much baggage regarding existing clients, easy federation, structured messages
 78 2021-02-05T07:55:26  <wumpus> i'm sure someone thought of this before
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 94 2021-02-05T08:56:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ea5a50f92a6f...4013e44c7444
 95 2021-02-05T08:56:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf3b4b MarcoFalke: refactor: Treat ArgsManager::Flags as uint32_t explicitly
 96 2021-02-05T08:56:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4013e44 MarcoFalke: Merge #21082: refactor: Treat ArgsManager::Flags as uint32_t explicitly
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 99 2021-02-05T08:56:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21082: refactor: Treat ArgsManager::Flags as uint32_t explicitly (master...2102-unsigned) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21082
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102 2021-02-05T09:06:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4013e44c7444...01d2cf2674fd
103 2021-02-05T09:06:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac4be3 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Configure check for main function (take 2)
104 2021-02-05T09:06:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 01d2cf2 MarcoFalke: Merge #21080: fuzz: Configure check for main function (take 2)
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107 2021-02-05T09:06:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21080: fuzz: Configure check for main function (take 2) (master...2101-fuzzTake2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21080
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111 2021-02-05T09:22:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/01d2cf2674fd...53730a78bc3b
112 2021-02-05T09:22:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eecb7ab gzhao408: [doc] clarify -peertimeout and -timeout descriptions
113 2021-02-05T09:22:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 53730a7 MarcoFalke: Merge #21077: doc: clarify -timeout and -peertimeout config options
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116 2021-02-05T09:22:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21077: doc: clarify -timeout and -peertimeout config options (master...2021-02-peertimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21077
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126 2021-02-05T10:09:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack closed pull request #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation (master...signet-keep-post-verack-sendaddrv2-peers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20646
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128 2021-02-05T10:11:09  <wumpus> jonatack: it would be more helpful to ping people here if something isn't being merged instead of to just close it
129 2021-02-05T10:12:16  <wumpus> it's not intentional it's just gotten lost in the noise
130 2021-02-05T10:12:21  <jonatack> wumpus: oh, i thought it was needlessly encumbering the review stack for a very minor change. i'm not clear on what to do in that case.
131 2021-02-05T10:12:48  <wumpus> it has so many ACKs
132 2021-02-05T10:13:29  <wumpus> please reopen it then i'll merge it
133 2021-02-05T10:14:13  <jonatack> ok. tbh i felt bad that it had taken time from important things.
134 2021-02-05T10:14:47  <wumpus> documentation is an important thing
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136 2021-02-05T10:14:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack reopened pull request #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation (master...signet-keep-post-verack-sendaddrv2-peers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20646
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139 2021-02-05T10:16:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/53730a78bc3b...3931732191fb
140 2021-02-05T10:16:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e1e6714 Jon Atack: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation
141 2021-02-05T10:16:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3931732 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation
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144 2021-02-05T10:16:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation (master...signet-keep-post-verack-sendaddrv2-peers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20646
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147 2021-02-05T10:17:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Saibato opened pull request #21085: test: enable self.chain = 'main' to work in python bitcoin test framework (master...mainettests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21085
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149 2021-02-05T10:18:05  <wumpus> thanks
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155 2021-02-05T10:51:00  <jonatack> dank
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192 2021-02-05T13:26:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 15 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3931732191fb...a6b1bf64399f
193 2021-02-05T13:26:44  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6f36242 Andrew Chow: tests: Set descriptors default based on compilation
194 2021-02-05T13:26:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b9b88f5 Andrew Chow: Skip legacy wallet reliant tests if BDB is not compiled
195 2021-02-05T13:26:46  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3641597 Andrew Chow: tests: Don't make any wallets unless wallet is required
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210 2021-02-05T13:43:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 62bf5b7 Jon Atack: netinfo: add ConnectionTypeForNetinfo member helper function
211 2021-02-05T13:43:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d3cca3b Jon Atack: netinfo: update to use peer connection types
212 2021-02-05T13:43:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5de7a6c Jon Atack: netinfo: display manual peers count
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215 2021-02-05T13:43:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20764: cli -netinfo peer connections dashboard updates 🎄 ✨ (master...netinfo-updates-dec-2020) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20764
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223 2021-02-05T13:57:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b829894f8483...173cf31299eb
224 2021-02-05T13:57:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf7d74 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Avoid extraneous copy of input data, using Span<>
225 2021-02-05T13:57:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 173cf31 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20839: fuzz: Avoid extraneous copy of input data, using Span<>
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228 2021-02-05T13:57:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20839: fuzz: Avoid extraneous copy of input data, using Span<> (master...2101-fuzzSpan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20839
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257 2021-02-05T16:41:41  <bitcoin-git> [gui] jonatack closed pull request #201: gui: ensure inbound block relay peers have relevant services (master...inbound-block-relay) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/201
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259 2021-02-05T16:42:09  <jonatack> (closed in favor of GUI 203)
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269 2021-02-05T17:43:14  <wumpus> fanquake: oops, looks like i need to upgrade my ancient debootstrap version to make a base image for #21036
270 2021-02-05T17:43:16  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21036 | gitian: Bump descriptors to Focal for 22.0 by fanquake · Pull Request #21036 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
271 2021-02-05T17:44:41  <wumpus> E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/focal
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273 2021-02-05T17:49:10  <bitcoin-git> [gui] jonasschnelli merged pull request #203: Display plain "Inbound" in peer details (master...display-plain-inbound-and-add-release-notes) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/203
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276 2021-02-05T17:49:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/173cf31299eb...6c6140846f37
277 2021-02-05T17:49:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 506e658 Jon Atack: gui: display plain "Inbound" in peer details
278 2021-02-05T17:49:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6c61408 Jonas Schnelli: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#203: Display plain "Inbound" in peer details
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282 2021-02-05T18:08:08  <wumpus> upgrading debootstrap to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.123ubuntu2.tar.gz solved the above issue, happy to just have wildly increased the VM size so it fits another build image
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292 2021-02-05T18:53:37  <copumpkin> is there a writeup somewhere on guix vs. nix from a bitcoin dev perspective?
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295 2021-02-05T18:58:39  <sipa> copumpkin: there was a discussion about that a few days ago here
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297 2021-02-05T19:01:56  <sipa> copumpkin: my understanding is mostly (a) it's a different language (which we likely don't really care about; neither nix's DSL or scheme are familiar for most developers) and (b) guix aims (or succeeds?) much more for binary reproducibility
298 2021-02-05T19:07:27  <copumpkin> ah fair enough, thanks! I'll check scrollback/logs for more detail
299 2021-02-05T19:08:43  <sipa> and you primarily find (a) as a reason for why Guix was created "no custom DSL", but the reason why we care about isn't so much its origins, but the fact that it simplifies our deterministic building setup
300 2021-02-05T19:10:17  <copumpkin> makes sense, definitely wasn't a pointed question, was just curious :)
301 2021-02-05T19:11:20  <copumpkin> even as an (ex) Nix developer I'm excited to see this family of build system get more widely adopted
302 2021-02-05T19:11:54  <sipa> ping dongcarl, roconnor: ^
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304 2021-02-05T19:17:57  <dongcarl> Hi copumpkin, the main (by a large margin) reason is because of Guix's commitment towards bootstrappability at the time I was investigating it as a possible build system for Bitcoin. At that time I had used Nix for a couple of years, and would have preferred to use Nix due to familiarity, but unfortunately there was less of an effort to make it
305 2021-02-05T19:17:58  <dongcarl> bootstrappable.
306 2021-02-05T19:19:06  <copumpkin> referring to the fact that the little bootstrap bundle underpinning the linux/darwin stdenvs doesn't actually get much love most of the time?
307 2021-02-05T19:19:34  <copumpkin> (it's a normal derivation and last I checked Hydra was building it, but it breaks from time to time and I don't think many people notice, etc.)
308 2021-02-05T19:20:03  <copumpkin> or you mean the actual provenance chain of that bundle through the ages?
309 2021-02-05T19:20:18  <dongcarl> copumpkin: I'm mostly referring to the Reduced Binary Seed bootstrap with GNU Mes + stage0
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311 2021-02-05T19:21:10  <copumpkin> ohh, I see, hmm
312 2021-02-05T19:21:25  <copumpkin> mind if I PM? probably more detail than most people care about
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314 2021-02-05T19:22:12  <dongcarl> copumpkin: Sure, happy to chat, we can also go to #bitcoin-builds, where bitcoin build systems people hang out :-)
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316 2021-02-05T19:28:25  <luke-jr> (and ironically Guix has bootstrapping problems)
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320 2021-02-05T19:44:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #21087: guix: Passthrough BASE_CACHE into container  (master...2020-12-guix-base-cache) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21087
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324 2021-02-05T19:48:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #21088: guix: Jump forwards in time-machine and adapt  (master...2021-02-bump-time-machine) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21088
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327 2021-02-05T19:51:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #21089: guix: Add support for powerpc64{,le} (master...2021-02-guix-ppc64-support) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21089
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329 2021-02-05T19:56:30  <achow101> anyone want to review PRs with me on my stream on monday?
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337 2021-02-05T20:30:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv opened pull request #21090: Default to NODE_WITNESS in nLocalServices (master...default-to-node-witness-2021) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21090
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