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 11 2021-04-12T01:29:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to 0.21: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0b9a046c1ae0...e358b43f7d89
 12 2021-04-12T01:29:06  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 7de019b Andrew Chow: Introduce DeferringSignatureChecker and inherit with SignatureExtractor
 13 2021-04-12T01:29:07  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 f79189c Andrew Chow: Test that signrawtx works when a signed CSV and CLTV inputs are present
 14 2021-04-12T01:29:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 e358b43 fanquake: Merge #21640: [0.21] Introduce DeferredSignatureChecker and have Signature...
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 17 2021-04-12T01:29:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21640: [0.21] Introduce DeferredSignatureChecker and have SignatureExtractorClass subclass it (0.21...0.21-sig-ext) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21640
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 22 2021-04-12T01:52:12  <aj> "Canceled because of an ongoing incident!" well, that's a novel test result
 23 2021-04-12T02:07:33  <luke-jr> ?
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 26 2021-04-12T02:23:19  <jarthur> Am I a dummy? I configure with --enable-shared and still end up bitcoind being made dynamically linked
 27 2021-04-12T02:24:15  <sipa> shared means dynamically linked
 28 2021-04-12T02:24:23  <sipa> no?
 29 2021-04-12T02:24:37  <jarthur> Yes, sorry, sipa. I meant --enable-static :)
 30 2021-04-12T02:24:43  <jarthur> same problem
 31 2021-04-12T02:25:18  <sipa> is everything dynamically linked, or just system libraries?
 32 2021-04-12T02:25:25  <sipa> because iirc those can't be statically linked
 33 2021-04-12T02:26:07  <jarthur> According to ldd, I see libpthread, libboost*, libevent, libc all dynamically linked
 34 2021-04-12T02:26:58  <jarthur> Is there a bug open for the issue?
 35 2021-04-12T02:27:32  <sipa> tbh, i have no idea what --enable-shared and --enable-static are supposed to do
 36 2021-04-12T02:27:57  <sipa> i just vaguely recall it was a bit more complicated than that to get the static binaries we build for releases
 37 2021-04-12T02:28:26  <jarthur> Maybe I don't either. jgarzik hinted it ought to do what I'm trying to do in this comment https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3781#issuecomment-36507746
 38 2021-04-12T02:33:39  <luke-jr> afaik --enable-static/shared is all about what libraries we *produce*
 39 2021-04-12T02:34:09  <sipa> jarthur: i think you can safely ignore anything said about the build system over 7 years ago :)
 40 2021-04-12T02:34:15  <luke-jr> XD
 41 2021-04-12T02:34:43  <luke-jr> jarthur: do you actually have static libraries to use installed?
 42 2021-04-12T02:38:29  <jarthur> I believe so. I see a libca and using the Debian -dev packages for the deps.
 43 2021-04-12T02:38:34  <jarthur> *libc.a
 44 2021-04-12T02:47:48  <jarthur> I see other projects have added a custom --enable-static-exec or --fully-static ./configure args, so maybe --enable-static means you only get static libbitcoin and libtest. Also tried adding --disable-shared without luck. I'll see if I can whip something up from older gitian when it built a static bitcoin core distributable.
 45 2021-04-12T02:48:12  <jarthur> My use case is tinier and more secure bitcoind Linux container images.
 46 2021-04-12T02:48:52  <sipa> can't you use the release binaries?
 47 2021-04-12T02:48:57  <sipa> they're statically linked
 48 2021-04-12T02:49:11  <jarthur> Including glibc?
 49 2021-04-12T02:49:55  <luke-jr> glibc doesn't support static linking…?
 50 2021-04-12T02:49:59  <sipa> i don't think so; i'm not sure that you can
 51 2021-04-12T02:50:39  <luke-jr> jarthur: static linking isn't more secure (nor tinier if you have more than one binary)
 52 2021-04-12T02:51:18  <luke-jr> the only real use case for it, is portability, and apparently that's defeated by us using Boost anyway :/
 53 2021-04-12T02:51:49  <sipa> we're pretty close to only having compile-tike boost dependencies
 54 2021-04-12T02:52:24  <jarthur> The idea is to remove bash and other distribution toolchain from the container's execution environment so that say a buffer overflow exploit has less toolchain available for further exploitation.
 55 2021-04-12T02:52:28  <luke-jr> sipa: that doesn't help
 56 2021-04-12T02:52:47  <luke-jr> sipa: boost compiles to code that only promises to work on the system that compiled it
 57 2021-04-12T02:53:03  <luke-jr> jarthur: sure, but that's not related to static linking
 58 2021-04-12T02:54:16  <luke-jr> sipa: and not even then sometimes ☺ (when I encountered this, the bitcoind was built on the same machine it was broken on!)
 59 2021-04-12T02:54:23  <sipa> luke-jr: the statx call thing?
 60 2021-04-12T02:54:26  <jarthur> luke-jr it is if it's my path to that execution environment, e.g. docker's scratch layer giving you pretty much just kernel->bitcoind in the execution environment. I'm definitely open to other ideas you have for getting there.
 61 2021-04-12T02:54:26  <luke-jr> yeah
 62 2021-04-12T02:55:20  <sipa> jarthur: you should just use release binaries
 63 2021-04-12T02:55:34  <luke-jr> (^ and build those yourself)
 64 2021-04-12T02:55:47  <sipa> luke-jr: that seems to be a pretty isolated case, imo
 65 2021-04-12T02:56:10  <sipa> (and specific to the filesystem library, which we'll droo)
 66 2021-04-12T02:56:29  <luke-jr> sipa: apparently other people with the issue are encountering it trying to run things in Docker
 67 2021-04-12T02:56:37  <luke-jr> because older Docker doesn't allow statx calls
 68 2021-04-12T02:57:19  <sipa> yeah, it's pretty annoying
 69 2021-04-12T02:57:46  <luke-jr> or you meant the issue itself was isolate
 70 2021-04-12T02:57:53  <sipa> but also, at leasst this specific case (statx) we'll get rid of by just dropping boost filesystem
 71 2021-04-12T02:58:06  <luke-jr> the scary thing is, I'm not sure we'd necessarily notice issues like this
 72 2021-04-12T02:58:25  <luke-jr> this time it happened to result in an exception that aborted early..
 73 2021-04-12T02:58:28  <sipa> well we'd presumably hear about stuff that doesn't work
 74 2021-04-12T02:58:34  <luke-jr> but who knows what other system calls missing might result in
 75 2021-04-12T02:58:49  <luke-jr> I'm glad we ban boost in consensus code :P
 76 2021-04-12T02:59:58  <sipa> are you sure stdc++ doesn't make similar assumptions? :)
 77 2021-04-12T03:00:07  <luke-jr> pretty sure
 78 2021-04-12T03:00:18  <sipa> yeah, i assume so.too
 79 2021-04-12T03:00:25  <sipa> but i don't actually know
 80 2021-04-12T03:00:46  <luke-jr> glibc at least actually insists you have a newer linux-headers than the kernel, in some cases
 81 2021-04-12T03:01:10  <luke-jr> as it doesn't have compile-time fallbacks, only runtime)(
 82 2021-04-12T03:01:46  <sipa> good
 83 2021-04-12T03:02:34  <luke-jr> the combination means that 2.6 system would have to switch to linux-headers-latest for glibc builds, and linux-headers-2.6.32 for boost builds >_<
 84 2021-04-12T03:02:53  <luke-jr> of course, 2.6 being as old as it is, my end conclusion was he's just gonna have to upgrade it :P
 85 2021-04-12T03:02:57  <luke-jr> one way or another
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 87 2021-04-12T03:04:23  <sipa> statx was introduced in linux 4.11, which is from 2017
 88 2021-04-12T03:04:27  <sipa> that's not very old
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 90 2021-04-12T03:05:20  <luke-jr> hmm
 91 2021-04-12T03:05:35  <luke-jr> I think glibc allows linux-headers back to 3.2
 92 2021-04-12T03:06:07  <sipa> that's from 2012
 93 2021-04-12T03:08:56  <luke-jr> kinda sad there isn't really a comparable solution in 2021 (for Linux containers)
 94 2021-04-12T03:11:49  <jarthur> Just tried the release binary, is dynamically linked to libc unfortunately. It looks like it stopped being fully static after this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4042
 95 2021-04-12T03:12:08  <sipa> jarthur: glibc doesn't support linking statically
 96 2021-04-12T03:12:26  <sipa> (you can make it work apparently, but it's very discouraged)
 97 2021-04-12T03:13:59  <sipa> why do you insist on statically linked libc?
 98 2021-04-12T03:14:54  <sipa> the release binaries are intended to work on fairly ancient libc versions, fwiw; way older than the ones of the system it's built on
 99 2021-04-12T03:18:41  <luke-jr> (not that you'd want to use an obsolete glibc)
100 2021-04-12T03:18:44  <jarthur> Minimal docker image without distro toolchain, or any part of the FHS file system really. It's not the end of the world if I have to include a copy of libc in the image, just would rather not. It's a common practice for small programs. I'm trying to apply it to bitcoind. The fact that fully static bitcoind binaries used to be distributed gave me hope it might be simple
101 2021-04-12T03:19:11  <sipa> oh i see
102 2021-04-12T03:19:38  <luke-jr> afaik we've always had to dynamic link to glibc?
103 2021-04-12T03:19:53  <sipa> there was some disgussion of playing around with uclibc or some other more minimalistic libc, which would allow that
104 2021-04-12T03:20:09  <sipa> right now, i wouldn't recommend straying from dynamic glibc
105 2021-04-12T03:22:10  <sipa> luke-jr: the commit jarthur linked to earlier apparently reverted an earlier commit that made release binaries fully static
106 2021-04-12T03:22:19  <sipa> but i don't know if that was ever used in a release
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109 2021-04-12T03:30:41  <jarthur> I believe 0.9.1 and possibly 0.9.2 distributables had binaries with statically linked glibc. Can't check now though as bitcoin.org took them down for security reasons.
110 2021-04-12T03:32:17  <aj> jarthur: https://bitcoin.org/bin/insecure/bitcoin-core-0.9.1/ ?
111 2021-04-12T03:32:36  <jarthur> ty :)
112 2021-04-12T03:38:55  <jarthur> Looks like it was only Bitcoin Core 0.9.1     $file bitcoin-0.9.1-linux/bin/64/bitcoind.static
113 2021-04-12T03:38:55  <jarthur> bitcoin-0.9.1-linux/bin/64/bitcoind.static: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=8b02de16c470e9de817d6c551325517d2ad16a05, stripped
114 2021-04-12T03:41:39  <jarthur> Is the biggest risk to issues stemming from kernel compatibility (and licensing if you distribute the binary outside of LGPL)? IMO you're already taking the kernel compatibility risk with shared glibc in your container image.
115 2021-04-12T03:42:54  <aj> if you statically link glibc then use it against a different version of the nss libraries (i think?) it fails; kernel licensing isn't an issue afaik
116 2021-04-12T03:50:17  <luke-jr> yeah, Linux's syscall interface is widely recognised as not considered a derivative work thus immune to GPL
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121 2021-04-12T04:05:24  <jarthur> aj I think the issues are with glibc licensing and not kernel licensing since you will technically be distributing glibc if you distribute your binary.
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135 2021-04-12T04:29:50  <luke-jr> true
136 2021-04-12T04:30:21  <luke-jr> afaik it doesn't add any restrictions over Qt tho
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160 2021-04-12T06:55:51  <instagibbs> someone ban chew917 here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21464
161 2021-04-12T06:55:56  <instagibbs> thanks
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166 2021-04-12T07:34:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #21591: build, qt: Fix wrong cross-compiling detection on macOS (master...210403-cross) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21591
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169 2021-04-12T07:34:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto reopened pull request #21591: build, qt: Fix wrong cross-compiling detection on macOS (master...210403-cross) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21591
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183 2021-04-12T08:58:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #19242: Add -uaappend option to append a literal string to user agent (master...uaappend) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19242
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198 2021-04-12T11:46:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] AlbanAndrieu closed pull request #21646: -daemonwait change to -daemon (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21646
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281 2021-04-12T17:55:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Emzy opened pull request #21661: doc: Fix name of script guix-build (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21661
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290 2021-04-12T18:15:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fdoving opened pull request #21662: build,boost: update download url. (master...fdov-boost-url) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21662
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298 2021-04-12T18:57:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #21663: ci: Fix macOS brew install command (master...210412-brew) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21663
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306 2021-04-12T19:13:39  <wumpus> we really need to fix the CI it's failling on almost everything
307 2021-04-12T19:14:31  <wumpus> oh something with macos, looks like there is a PR for it #21663
308 2021-04-12T19:14:33  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21663 | ci: Fix macOS brew install command by hebasto · Pull Request #21663 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
309 2021-04-12T19:15:35  <jakesyl> Anyone have any idea why a transaction version would be negative? https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd/pull/1701#issuecomment-817995493
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311 2021-04-12T19:19:17  <sipa> jakesyl: it's a number, it can be anything
312 2021-04-12T19:19:26  <sipa> probably just someone playing around
313 2021-04-12T19:19:27  <luke-jr> jakesyl: see BIP 68
314 2021-04-12T19:19:41  <hebasto> wumpus: yeah, 21663 fixed brew, but ci log shows ridiculous configure failure
315 2021-04-12T19:20:11  <luke-jr> ie, it's not really signed
316 2021-04-12T19:20:21  * luke-jr wonders if there's anything that *does* treat it as signed
317 2021-04-12T19:21:11  <sipa> luke-jr: BIP68 treats it as signed, afaik
318 2021-04-12T19:21:27  <luke-jr> sipa: it explicitly doesn't…?
319 2021-04-12T19:21:28  <hebasto> wumpus: probably, it is related to new Autoconf 2.71
320 2021-04-12T19:21:46  <sipa> luke-jr: you are right
321 2021-04-12T19:21:58  <sipa> luke-jr: standardness rules may treat it as signed
322 2021-04-12T19:22:34  <luke-jr> src/policy/policy.cpp:    if (tx.nVersion > CTransaction::MAX_STANDARD_VERSION || tx.nVersion < 1) {
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324 2021-04-12T19:22:49  <luke-jr> I'm not sure the sign matters for that
325 2021-04-12T19:23:04  <sipa> it does
326 2021-04-12T19:23:16  <luke-jr> how?
327 2021-04-12T19:23:34  <luke-jr> O.o even RPC treats it as unsigned: src/core_write.cpp:    entry.pushKV("version", static_cast<int64_t>(static_cast<uint32_t>(tx.nVersion)));
328 2021-04-12T19:23:36  <jakesyl> it looks like bip 68 casts nVersion to a uint32 (fEnforceBIP68)
329 2021-04-12T19:23:48  <sipa> luke-jr: nVersion is an int32_t
330 2021-04-12T19:24:20  <sipa> so if the serialization is 0xffffffff, it'd be interpreted as -1, and which be "< 1"
331 2021-04-12T19:24:44  <luke-jr> sipa: yes, but if it were interpreted as 0xffffffff it would be >CTransaction::MAX_STANDARD_VERSION
332 2021-04-12T19:24:54  <sipa> luke-jr: ah, good point!
333 2021-04-12T19:24:59  <sipa> indeed, it doesn't matter
334 2021-04-12T19:25:09  <sipa> at least with the current CTransaction::MAX_STANDARD_VERSION value
335 2021-04-12T19:25:16  <luke-jr> quickly glancing over the code, I think we treat it as unsigned everywhere XD
336 2021-04-12T19:25:34  <sipa> because the only two qualifying values are 1 and 2, and their serialization in signed and unsigned is identical
337 2021-04-12T19:25:35  <jakesyl> only exception I can think of *might* be the rpc interface
338 2021-04-12T19:25:54  <luke-jr> jakesyl: see above
339 2021-04-12T19:26:06  <sipa> i vaguely recall that the RPC interface was changed a few years ago, precisely because it's semantically unsigned everywhere already
340 2021-04-12T19:26:18  <sipa> but somehow didn't want to touch the actual data type for fear of consensus implications
341 2021-04-12T19:26:32  <jakesyl> oh read that wrong. Got it - thanks!
342 2021-04-12T19:26:42  <luke-jr> yeah, I'd want to do a lot more in-depth review before messing with it for that reason
343 2021-04-12T19:27:12  <jakesyl> yeah - on btcd think we'll just match the bitcoin-core rpc interface there
344 2021-04-12T19:27:12  <luke-jr> and frankly probably not worth it
345 2021-04-12T19:27:20  <sipa> but at least at first glance i agree that it most likely doesn't affect anything
346 2021-04-12T19:27:22  <jakesyl> (it's currently signed in our return)
347 2021-04-12T19:27:28  <luke-jr> but as far as documentation, IMO we should just say it's unsigned
348 2021-04-12T19:27:36  <sipa> yes, makes sense
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354 2021-04-12T19:53:10  <jakesyl> oh interesting - btw  likely reason this is the first time we're seeing it (and it's on testnet) is b/c `IsStandardTx`isn't called w/ `-testnet`
355 2021-04-12T19:53:23  <sipa> yeah
356 2021-04-12T19:53:32  <sipa> you're unlikely to see that on mainnet
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361 2021-04-12T20:22:45  <jamesob> Anyone seen these 403 forbidden errors during CI runs before? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21526/checks?check_run_id=2327358485
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363 2021-04-12T20:25:24  <luke-jr> only recently; but I didn't find a solution
364 2021-04-12T20:25:56  <wumpus> jamesob: yes, see #21663
365 2021-04-12T20:25:58  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21663 | ci: Fix macOS brew install command by hebasto · Pull Request #21663 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
366 2021-04-12T20:26:13  <jamesob> wumpus: thanks
367 2021-04-12T20:27:46  <wumpus> we should merge that soon but first waiting for CI to be green
368 2021-04-12T20:29:18  <luke-jr> oh, that's the same one?
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370 2021-04-12T20:36:36  <wumpus> i think so
371 2021-04-12T20:40:43  <jamesob> wumpus: I ACK'd only on the basis of the macOS CI run being green
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385 2021-04-12T21:32:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f6c44e999b7d...708517b2dd64
386 2021-04-12T21:32:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b738155 Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Fix macOS brew install command
387 2021-04-12T21:32:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 708517b W. J. van der Laan: Merge #21663: ci: Fix macOS brew install command
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390 2021-04-12T21:32:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #21663: ci: Fix macOS brew install command (master...210412-brew) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21663
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