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 14 2021-05-06T00:53:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #21867: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py (master...20210505-test-convert_p2pblocksonly_miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21867
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113 2021-05-06T08:15:05  <bitcoin-git> [gui] RandyMcMillan opened pull request #320: qt: mempool stats chart  (master...mempool_graph_rebase) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/320
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132 2021-05-06T09:14:27  <bitcoin-git> [gui] prayank23 opened pull request #321: Remove `gui_issue` from issue templates (master...issue-templates) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/321
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135 2021-05-06T09:14:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prayank23 opened pull request #21870: Add `config.yml` (master...issue-templates) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21870
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139 2021-05-06T09:17:07  <bitcoin-git> [gui] MarcoFalke closed pull request #321: Remove `gui_issue` from issue templates (master...issue-templates) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/321
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193 2021-05-06T13:37:49  <michaelfolkson> #proposedmeetingtopic Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz
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202 2021-05-06T14:09:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9c05da4a5c57...1fcf66af6826
203 2021-05-06T14:09:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae2c8b MarcoFalke: fuzz: Allow to pass min/max to ConsumeTime
204 2021-05-06T14:09:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab646b MarcoFalke: fuzz: Use correct variant of ConsumeRandomLengthString instead of hardcodi...
205 2021-05-06T14:09:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa61ce5 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Limit mocktime to MTP in tx_pool targets
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208 2021-05-06T14:09:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21798:  fuzz: Create a block template in tx_pool targets  (master...2104-fuzzMempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21798
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223 2021-05-06T14:54:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1fcf66af6826...06d573f053c6
224 2021-05-06T14:54:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9f767e8 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py
225 2021-05-06T14:54:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 06d573f MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#21867: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py
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228 2021-05-06T14:55:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21867: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py (master...20210505-test-convert_p2pblocksonly_miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21867
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264 2021-05-06T17:51:18  <yanmaani> What's the mempool policy for locktime?
265 2021-05-06T17:51:36  <yanmaani> If a transaction is valid after block X, will it be accepted in the mempool in the block before that?
266 2021-05-06T17:52:16  <sipa> it is accepted if it could be mined in the block following the current tip
267 2021-05-06T17:52:34  <yanmaani> When will it be accepted? Transactions with locktime 10 years in the future won't, right
268 2021-05-06T17:52:36  <yanmaani> so what's the cutoff?
269 2021-05-06T17:53:16  <sipa> they have to be legally minable in the block following the current tip
270 2021-05-06T17:53:35  <yanmaani> thanks!
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284 2021-05-06T19:00:26  <wumpus> #startmeeting
285 2021-05-06T19:00:26  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu May  6 19:00:26 2021 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
286 2021-05-06T19:00:26  <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
287 2021-05-06T19:00:34  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 aj amiti ariard bluematt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik
288 2021-05-06T19:00:35  <wumpus> petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild wumpus
289 2021-05-06T19:00:47  <meshcollider> hi
290 2021-05-06T19:00:51  <jonatack> hi
291 2021-05-06T19:00:52  <murch> hi
292 2021-05-06T19:00:54  <jb55> hi
293 2021-05-06T19:00:56  <jnewbery> hi
294 2021-05-06T19:00:58  <michaelfolkson> hi
295 2021-05-06T19:00:59  <fjahr> hi
296 2021-05-06T19:01:28  <ariard> hi
297 2021-05-06T19:01:54  <wumpus> welcome to the weekly bitcoin-core-dev meeting, there is one proposed meeting topic from http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt: Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz (michaelfolkson)
298 2021-05-06T19:01:56  <sipa> hi
299 2021-05-06T19:02:05  <wumpus> any last minute topic proposals?
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302 2021-05-06T19:02:53  <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
303 2021-05-06T19:02:54  <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
304 2021-05-06T19:03:21  <wumpus> 10 current blockers on review in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
305 2021-05-06T19:03:39  <wumpus> anything to add/remove or this is ready for merge?
306 2021-05-06T19:04:23  <achow101> hi
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308 2021-05-06T19:04:43  <murch> #17331 has five concept ACKs and one tACK
309 2021-05-06T19:04:48  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17331 | Use effective values throughout coin selection by achow101 · Pull Request #17331 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
310 2021-05-06T19:05:00  <murch> Might be good if a couple more people took a look
311 2021-05-06T19:05:09  <sipa> i will
312 2021-05-06T19:05:18  <wumpus> right, needs more code review ACKs i guess
313 2021-05-06T19:06:01  <gleb> hi
314 2021-05-06T19:06:24  <wumpus> nothing else?
315 2021-05-06T19:06:31  <achow101> I will be making a few changes to #17331, so it is not rtm
316 2021-05-06T19:06:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17331 | Use effective values throughout coin selection by achow101 · Pull Request #17331 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
317 2021-05-06T19:06:59  <wumpus> achow101: thanks for letting us know
318 2021-05-06T19:08:14  <wumpus> no other discussion of high prio PRs? moving to next topic
319 2021-05-06T19:08:32  <wumpus> #topic Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz (michaelfolkson)
320 2021-05-06T19:08:33  <core-meetingbot> topic: Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz (michaelfolkson)
321 2021-05-06T19:09:16  <michaelfolkson> Ok cool, so I don't know if the regular fuzzers are here but Core has signed up to use Google's OSS-Fuzz from what I understand
322 2021-05-06T19:09:43  <murch> https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/pull/5699
323 2021-05-06T19:09:44  <michaelfolkson> I heard about it through this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21856
324 2021-05-06T19:10:32  <michaelfolkson> In the past there were some discussions on whether it would be wise to sign up to it. The biggest concern being the 90 day disclosure.
325 2021-05-06T19:11:15  <michaelfolkson> But it sounds like these concerns were resolved and there was some misunderstanding that there could always be some exceptions (for Core or any other project)
326 2021-05-06T19:11:27  <luke-jr> presumably by the time it gets to Google, 90 day disclosure is better than not knowing at all?
327 2021-05-06T19:12:07  <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: I think this more if Google finds out about it they plan to release details of it after 90 days
328 2021-05-06T19:12:23  <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: If there is no exception
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331 2021-05-06T19:12:54  <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: right, but if we had already know, Google wouldn't have found out anyway
332 2021-05-06T19:13:04  <sipa> we have an exception
333 2021-05-06T19:13:29  <michaelfolkson> sipa: Ok I wasn't clear on the details of that. But that's good
334 2021-05-06T19:14:05  <michaelfolkson> So assuming there are no problems with the disclosure part (which it sounds like there isn't) I wondered what the plan was to take advantage of using OSS-Fuzz
335 2021-05-06T19:14:25  <michaelfolkson> Or have we not thought this far ahead yet?
336 2021-05-06T19:14:37  <michaelfolkson> It looks like this was signed up for the last week
337 2021-05-06T19:15:13  <sipa> michaelfolkson: MarcoFalke knows more details
338 2021-05-06T19:15:41  <michaelfolkson> The main benefit it appears to give is access to vast amount of CPU cores but I wondered what particular fuzzing would be done on those cores and whether that would be managed by an individual, the fuzzing team etc
339 2021-05-06T19:15:51  <sipa> but i don't think there is that much to say; it's up and running our fuzzers fron what i understand, in a number of configurations
340 2021-05-06T19:16:29  <michaelfolkson> So no plan to allocate certain fuzzing exercises, targeted fuzzing to those particular cores?
341 2021-05-06T19:17:09  <sipa> not sure what the advantage of that would be
342 2021-05-06T19:17:28  <sipa> if we think our fuzzers are good, more cpu power running them is good
343 2021-05-06T19:17:39  <sipa> if we don't think they're useful, they should be removed
344 2021-05-06T19:17:56  <michaelfolkson> Ok so just running existing fuzzers but with more CPU power
345 2021-05-06T19:18:26  <michaelfolkson> Do we get anything else from signing up to OSS-Fuzz other than CPU cores? Do you know?
346 2021-05-06T19:18:43  <sipa> in what sense?
347 2021-05-06T19:19:01  <michaelfolkson> I'm not sure. Just clarifying if that is the only benefit
348 2021-05-06T19:19:13  <sipa> i mean... that's what fuzzing is
349 2021-05-06T19:19:18  <sipa> they help us eun our fuzzers
350 2021-05-06T19:19:22  <sipa> for free
351 2021-05-06T19:19:28  <michaelfolkson> They have a few fuzzing experts over at Google. Maybe they will engage with it
352 2021-05-06T19:19:31  * michaelfolkson shrugs
353 2021-05-06T19:19:38  <wumpus> tbh, i'm not sure this is a meeting discussion topic or simply some questions that could be handled outside the meeting, but i guess it's okay as we have no other topics for today
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356 2021-05-06T19:20:09  <michaelfolkson> Ok that's all. Just interested in what had happened and what the plan was
357 2021-05-06T19:20:24  <wumpus> okay
358 2021-05-06T19:20:25  <michaelfolkson> I hadn't seen it discussed anywhere on IRC until that PR popped up
359 2021-05-06T19:20:35  <wumpus> #endmeeting
360 2021-05-06T19:20:35  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
361 2021-05-06T19:20:36  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu May  6 19:20:35 2021 UTC.
362 2021-05-06T19:20:36  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-05-06-19.00.moin.txt
363 2021-05-06T19:21:25  <luke-jr> on the topic of fuzzing, I'm curious if conditionals acting on ConsumeBool run ~50% in each alternative?
364 2021-05-06T19:21:34  <luke-jr> or if fuzzing is smarter than that
365 2021-05-06T19:21:41  <sipa> luke-jr: it is smarter
366 2021-05-06T19:21:57  <sipa> it is biased towards choices that increase coversge
367 2021-05-06T19:22:20  <luke-jr> sipa: ah, does it count Consume<other> as more coverage?
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369 2021-05-06T19:22:43  <luke-jr> eg, I noticed the versionbits fuzzer uses a ConsumeBool to choose between all real params, and the always/never active special cases
370 2021-05-06T19:23:12  <luke-jr> I would expect the former to make more sense to run much more often
371 2021-05-06T19:23:23  <sipa> luke-jr: eh, it's a bit long to explain here, but that's not how fuzzing works really
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373 2021-05-06T19:24:08  <sipa> it keeps a set of "good inputs" (ones that together maximize coverage), and then tries to construct new ones by mutating existing inputs and combining thrm
374 2021-05-06T19:24:37  <sipa> those mutations are uniformly random, but only the ones that increase coverage (according to a number of metrics) are kept
375 2021-05-06T19:24:44  <luke-jr> I see
376 2021-05-06T19:25:18  <sipa> if you read bytes as input and memcmp them with a long string, fuzzing will generally discover that string fairly quickyl
377 2021-05-06T19:25:34  <sipa> because every byte correct increases coverage by some metric
378 2021-05-06T19:26:39  <michaelfolkson> You can direct the fuzzing to run 50% on each alternative if that's what you want
379 2021-05-06T19:27:02  <michaelfolkson> I don't know if that would be deemed targeted fuzzing or structured fuzzing
380 2021-05-06T19:27:36  <michaelfolkson> I read the definitions months ago, I've forgotten
381 2021-05-06T19:28:02  <sipa> that may be the case in theory
382 2021-05-06T19:28:15  <sipa> i don't think any of the frameworks we use actually let you
383 2021-05-06T19:29:10  <michaelfolkson> Interesting
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385 2021-05-06T19:37:13  <luke-jr> I'm not sure there would be a reason to either
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387 2021-05-06T19:40:07  <michaelfolkson> If you were more concerned with a code path from one alternative of the bool you might want to run say 90 percent on that alternative
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389 2021-05-06T19:40:41  <luke-jr> I see what you mean; I just meant a 50/50 split didn't seem particularly useful in this case
390 2021-05-06T19:41:36  <sipa> the cool thing about coverage-directed fuzzing is that you don't need to care about this
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392 2021-05-06T19:42:18  <sipa> if making that bool true results in 90% of the inputs that together maximize coverage, 90% of the time will be spent on it
393 2021-05-06T19:42:51  <sipa> well, not exactly - but there is a strong correlation
394 2021-05-06T19:44:08  <michaelfolkson> If coverage is the only metric you are concerned with. But there might be parts of the code already with coverage that you are more concerned with re bugs that might be found?
395 2021-05-06T19:44:49  <michaelfolkson> I guess coverage directed fuzzing is only concerned with coverage :)
396 2021-05-06T19:44:56  <sipa> then you can write a separate fuzzer for that
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420 2021-05-06T21:19:31  <jeremyrubin> responding to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21702#discussion_r616863828 shedcolor comment, does anyone have any feelings on renaming "StandardTemplateHash" to "BIP119Hash" and renaming "BasicStandardTemplate" to "StandardBareBIP119Output"?
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426 2021-05-06T21:53:53  <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: using BIP numbers in names seems non-ideal
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436 2021-05-06T22:22:24  <jeremyrubin> bip341 did this in caches?
437 2021-05-06T22:22:36  <jeremyrubin> pyskell suggested s/bip119/ctv
438 2021-05-06T22:52:08  <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: I think there's at least 2 cases where we regretted it
439 2021-05-06T22:52:42  <jeremyrubin> hmm
440 2021-05-06T22:52:46  <luke-jr> (tx replacability, versionbits)
441 2021-05-06T22:53:10  <jeremyrubin> for the caching I don't want to rename it because i did it to match the bip341 style
442 2021-05-06T22:53:25  <jeremyrubin> personally I like the BIP naming since I know where to go to find it
443 2021-05-06T22:53:36  <luke-jr> use a comment/doc?
444 2021-05-06T22:53:53  <jeremyrubin> in the case of these specific vars, it is nice because they are defined in the BIP somewhat permanently
445 2021-05-06T22:54:02  <jeremyrubin> but I don't have a strong preference on names
446 2021-05-06T22:54:28  <jeremyrubin> I mildly prefer leaving the names the same, but I agree it's confusing that StandardTemplateHash is a consensus definition
447 2021-05-06T22:56:09  <luke-jr> BIP doesn't imply consensus either *shrug*
448 2021-05-06T22:57:15  <jeremyrubin> it at least doesn't anti-imply consensus
449 2021-05-06T22:57:22  <jeremyrubin> which "standard" kinda does
450 2021-05-06T22:57:56  <jeremyrubin> i dunno -- do you think the names should be changed? It's kinda a PITA to change since it has to touch the BIP and the code, and there are resources floating around using those names already
451 2021-05-06T22:58:42  <jeremyrubin> I don't really care tho overall; happy for the names to just be assigned by someone who cares
452 2021-05-06T22:58:55  <jeremyrubin> jnewbery: ^ you want to pick for me :p
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