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142021-05-06T00:53:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #21867: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py (master...20210505-test-convert_p2pblocksonly_miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21867
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712021-05-06T05:51:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #21869: depends: Add missing -D_LIBCPP_DEBUG=1 to debug flags (master...2105-dependsDebug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21869
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742021-05-06T06:01:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f8575bce3118...9c05da4a5c57
752021-05-06T06:01:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa3bbcf MarcoFalke: ci: Properly pass msan cflags
762021-05-06T06:01:38 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9c05da4 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#21865: ci: Properly pass msan cflags
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792021-05-06T06:01:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21865: ci: Properly pass msan cflags (master...2105-ciMsan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21865
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1352021-05-06T09:14:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prayank23 opened pull request #21870: Add `config.yml` (master...issue-templates) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21870
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1692021-05-06T12:44:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #21871: scripts: add checks for minimum required OS versions (master...new_tests_on_lief) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21871
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1932021-05-06T13:37:49 <michaelfolkson> #proposedmeetingtopic Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz
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2022021-05-06T14:09:09 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9c05da4a5c57...1fcf66af6826
2032021-05-06T14:09:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae2c8b MarcoFalke: fuzz: Allow to pass min/max to ConsumeTime
2042021-05-06T14:09:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab646b MarcoFalke: fuzz: Use correct variant of ConsumeRandomLengthString instead of hardcodi...
2052021-05-06T14:09:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa61ce5 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Limit mocktime to MTP in tx_pool targets
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2082021-05-06T14:09:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21798: fuzz: Create a block template in tx_pool targets (master...2104-fuzzMempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21798
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2232021-05-06T14:54:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1fcf66af6826...06d573f053c6
2242021-05-06T14:54:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9f767e8 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py
2252021-05-06T14:54:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 06d573f MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#21867: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py
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2282021-05-06T14:55:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21867: test: use MiniWallet for p2p_blocksonly.py (master...20210505-test-convert_p2pblocksonly_miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21867
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2422021-05-06T15:36:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #21872: net: Sanitize message type for logging (master...2021-05-sanitize-messagetype) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21872
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2642021-05-06T17:51:18 <yanmaani> What's the mempool policy for locktime?
2652021-05-06T17:51:36 <yanmaani> If a transaction is valid after block X, will it be accepted in the mempool in the block before that?
2662021-05-06T17:52:16 <sipa> it is accepted if it could be mined in the block following the current tip
2672021-05-06T17:52:34 <yanmaani> When will it be accepted? Transactions with locktime 10 years in the future won't, right
2682021-05-06T17:52:36 <yanmaani> so what's the cutoff?
2692021-05-06T17:53:16 <sipa> they have to be legally minable in the block following the current tip
2702021-05-06T17:53:35 <yanmaani> thanks!
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2842021-05-06T19:00:26 <wumpus> #startmeeting
2852021-05-06T19:00:26 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu May 6 19:00:26 2021 UTC. The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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2872021-05-06T19:00:34 <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 aj amiti ariard bluematt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik
2882021-05-06T19:00:35 <wumpus> petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild wumpus
2892021-05-06T19:00:47 <meshcollider> hi
2902021-05-06T19:00:51 <jonatack> hi
2912021-05-06T19:00:52 <murch> hi
2922021-05-06T19:00:54 <jb55> hi
2932021-05-06T19:00:56 <jnewbery> hi
2942021-05-06T19:00:58 <michaelfolkson> hi
2952021-05-06T19:00:59 <fjahr> hi
2962021-05-06T19:01:28 <ariard> hi
2972021-05-06T19:01:54 <wumpus> welcome to the weekly bitcoin-core-dev meeting, there is one proposed meeting topic from http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt: Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz (michaelfolkson)
2982021-05-06T19:01:56 <sipa> hi
2992021-05-06T19:02:05 <wumpus> any last minute topic proposals?
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3022021-05-06T19:02:53 <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
3032021-05-06T19:02:54 <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
3042021-05-06T19:03:21 <wumpus> 10 current blockers on review in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
3052021-05-06T19:03:39 <wumpus> anything to add/remove or this is ready for merge?
3062021-05-06T19:04:23 <achow101> hi
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3082021-05-06T19:04:43 <murch> #17331 has five concept ACKs and one tACK
3092021-05-06T19:04:48 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17331 | Use effective values throughout coin selection by achow101 · Pull Request #17331 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3102021-05-06T19:05:00 <murch> Might be good if a couple more people took a look
3112021-05-06T19:05:09 <sipa> i will
3122021-05-06T19:05:18 <wumpus> right, needs more code review ACKs i guess
3132021-05-06T19:06:01 <gleb> hi
3142021-05-06T19:06:24 <wumpus> nothing else?
3152021-05-06T19:06:31 <achow101> I will be making a few changes to #17331, so it is not rtm
3162021-05-06T19:06:34 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17331 | Use effective values throughout coin selection by achow101 · Pull Request #17331 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3172021-05-06T19:06:59 <wumpus> achow101: thanks for letting us know
3182021-05-06T19:08:14 <wumpus> no other discussion of high prio PRs? moving to next topic
3192021-05-06T19:08:32 <wumpus> #topic Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz (michaelfolkson)
3202021-05-06T19:08:33 <core-meetingbot> topic: Plan for future Core fuzzing using OSS-Fuzz (michaelfolkson)
3212021-05-06T19:09:16 <michaelfolkson> Ok cool, so I don't know if the regular fuzzers are here but Core has signed up to use Google's OSS-Fuzz from what I understand
3222021-05-06T19:09:43 <murch> https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/pull/5699
3232021-05-06T19:09:44 <michaelfolkson> I heard about it through this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21856
3242021-05-06T19:10:32 <michaelfolkson> In the past there were some discussions on whether it would be wise to sign up to it. The biggest concern being the 90 day disclosure.
3252021-05-06T19:11:15 <michaelfolkson> But it sounds like these concerns were resolved and there was some misunderstanding that there could always be some exceptions (for Core or any other project)
3262021-05-06T19:11:27 <luke-jr> presumably by the time it gets to Google, 90 day disclosure is better than not knowing at all?
3272021-05-06T19:12:07 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: I think this more if Google finds out about it they plan to release details of it after 90 days
3282021-05-06T19:12:23 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: If there is no exception
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3312021-05-06T19:12:54 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: right, but if we had already know, Google wouldn't have found out anyway
3322021-05-06T19:13:04 <sipa> we have an exception
3332021-05-06T19:13:29 <michaelfolkson> sipa: Ok I wasn't clear on the details of that. But that's good
3342021-05-06T19:14:05 <michaelfolkson> So assuming there are no problems with the disclosure part (which it sounds like there isn't) I wondered what the plan was to take advantage of using OSS-Fuzz
3352021-05-06T19:14:25 <michaelfolkson> Or have we not thought this far ahead yet?
3362021-05-06T19:14:37 <michaelfolkson> It looks like this was signed up for the last week
3372021-05-06T19:15:13 <sipa> michaelfolkson: MarcoFalke knows more details
3382021-05-06T19:15:41 <michaelfolkson> The main benefit it appears to give is access to vast amount of CPU cores but I wondered what particular fuzzing would be done on those cores and whether that would be managed by an individual, the fuzzing team etc
3392021-05-06T19:15:51 <sipa> but i don't think there is that much to say; it's up and running our fuzzers fron what i understand, in a number of configurations
3402021-05-06T19:16:29 <michaelfolkson> So no plan to allocate certain fuzzing exercises, targeted fuzzing to those particular cores?
3412021-05-06T19:17:09 <sipa> not sure what the advantage of that would be
3422021-05-06T19:17:28 <sipa> if we think our fuzzers are good, more cpu power running them is good
3432021-05-06T19:17:39 <sipa> if we don't think they're useful, they should be removed
3442021-05-06T19:17:56 <michaelfolkson> Ok so just running existing fuzzers but with more CPU power
3452021-05-06T19:18:26 <michaelfolkson> Do we get anything else from signing up to OSS-Fuzz other than CPU cores? Do you know?
3462021-05-06T19:18:43 <sipa> in what sense?
3472021-05-06T19:19:01 <michaelfolkson> I'm not sure. Just clarifying if that is the only benefit
3482021-05-06T19:19:13 <sipa> i mean... that's what fuzzing is
3492021-05-06T19:19:18 <sipa> they help us eun our fuzzers
3502021-05-06T19:19:22 <sipa> for free
3512021-05-06T19:19:28 <michaelfolkson> They have a few fuzzing experts over at Google. Maybe they will engage with it
3522021-05-06T19:19:31 * michaelfolkson shrugs
3532021-05-06T19:19:38 <wumpus> tbh, i'm not sure this is a meeting discussion topic or simply some questions that could be handled outside the meeting, but i guess it's okay as we have no other topics for today
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3562021-05-06T19:20:09 <michaelfolkson> Ok that's all. Just interested in what had happened and what the plan was
3572021-05-06T19:20:24 <wumpus> okay
3582021-05-06T19:20:25 <michaelfolkson> I hadn't seen it discussed anywhere on IRC until that PR popped up
3592021-05-06T19:20:35 <wumpus> #endmeeting
3602021-05-06T19:20:35 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
3612021-05-06T19:20:36 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu May 6 19:20:35 2021 UTC.
3622021-05-06T19:20:36 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-05-06-19.00.moin.txt
3632021-05-06T19:21:25 <luke-jr> on the topic of fuzzing, I'm curious if conditionals acting on ConsumeBool run ~50% in each alternative?
3642021-05-06T19:21:34 <luke-jr> or if fuzzing is smarter than that
3652021-05-06T19:21:41 <sipa> luke-jr: it is smarter
3662021-05-06T19:21:57 <sipa> it is biased towards choices that increase coversge
3672021-05-06T19:22:20 <luke-jr> sipa: ah, does it count Consume<other> as more coverage?
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3692021-05-06T19:22:43 <luke-jr> eg, I noticed the versionbits fuzzer uses a ConsumeBool to choose between all real params, and the always/never active special cases
3702021-05-06T19:23:12 <luke-jr> I would expect the former to make more sense to run much more often
3712021-05-06T19:23:23 <sipa> luke-jr: eh, it's a bit long to explain here, but that's not how fuzzing works really
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3732021-05-06T19:24:08 <sipa> it keeps a set of "good inputs" (ones that together maximize coverage), and then tries to construct new ones by mutating existing inputs and combining thrm
3742021-05-06T19:24:37 <sipa> those mutations are uniformly random, but only the ones that increase coverage (according to a number of metrics) are kept
3752021-05-06T19:24:44 <luke-jr> I see
3762021-05-06T19:25:18 <sipa> if you read bytes as input and memcmp them with a long string, fuzzing will generally discover that string fairly quickyl
3772021-05-06T19:25:34 <sipa> because every byte correct increases coverage by some metric
3782021-05-06T19:26:39 <michaelfolkson> You can direct the fuzzing to run 50% on each alternative if that's what you want
3792021-05-06T19:27:02 <michaelfolkson> I don't know if that would be deemed targeted fuzzing or structured fuzzing
3802021-05-06T19:27:36 <michaelfolkson> I read the definitions months ago, I've forgotten
3812021-05-06T19:28:02 <sipa> that may be the case in theory
3822021-05-06T19:28:15 <sipa> i don't think any of the frameworks we use actually let you
3832021-05-06T19:29:10 <michaelfolkson> Interesting
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3852021-05-06T19:37:13 <luke-jr> I'm not sure there would be a reason to either
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3872021-05-06T19:40:07 <michaelfolkson> If you were more concerned with a code path from one alternative of the bool you might want to run say 90 percent on that alternative
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3892021-05-06T19:40:41 <luke-jr> I see what you mean; I just meant a 50/50 split didn't seem particularly useful in this case
3902021-05-06T19:41:36 <sipa> the cool thing about coverage-directed fuzzing is that you don't need to care about this
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3922021-05-06T19:42:18 <sipa> if making that bool true results in 90% of the inputs that together maximize coverage, 90% of the time will be spent on it
3932021-05-06T19:42:51 <sipa> well, not exactly - but there is a strong correlation
3942021-05-06T19:44:08 <michaelfolkson> If coverage is the only metric you are concerned with. But there might be parts of the code already with coverage that you are more concerned with re bugs that might be found?
3952021-05-06T19:44:49 <michaelfolkson> I guess coverage directed fuzzing is only concerned with coverage :)
3962021-05-06T19:44:56 <sipa> then you can write a separate fuzzer for that
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4202021-05-06T21:19:31 <jeremyrubin> responding to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21702#discussion_r616863828 shedcolor comment, does anyone have any feelings on renaming "StandardTemplateHash" to "BIP119Hash" and renaming "BasicStandardTemplate" to "StandardBareBIP119Output"?
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4262021-05-06T21:53:53 <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: using BIP numbers in names seems non-ideal
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4362021-05-06T22:22:24 <jeremyrubin> bip341 did this in caches?
4372021-05-06T22:22:36 <jeremyrubin> pyskell suggested s/bip119/ctv
4382021-05-06T22:52:08 <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: I think there's at least 2 cases where we regretted it
4392021-05-06T22:52:42 <jeremyrubin> hmm
4402021-05-06T22:52:46 <luke-jr> (tx replacability, versionbits)
4412021-05-06T22:53:10 <jeremyrubin> for the caching I don't want to rename it because i did it to match the bip341 style
4422021-05-06T22:53:25 <jeremyrubin> personally I like the BIP naming since I know where to go to find it
4432021-05-06T22:53:36 <luke-jr> use a comment/doc?
4442021-05-06T22:53:53 <jeremyrubin> in the case of these specific vars, it is nice because they are defined in the BIP somewhat permanently
4452021-05-06T22:54:02 <jeremyrubin> but I don't have a strong preference on names
4462021-05-06T22:54:28 <jeremyrubin> I mildly prefer leaving the names the same, but I agree it's confusing that StandardTemplateHash is a consensus definition
4472021-05-06T22:56:09 <luke-jr> BIP doesn't imply consensus either *shrug*
4482021-05-06T22:57:15 <jeremyrubin> it at least doesn't anti-imply consensus
4492021-05-06T22:57:22 <jeremyrubin> which "standard" kinda does
4502021-05-06T22:57:56 <jeremyrubin> i dunno -- do you think the names should be changed? It's kinda a PITA to change since it has to touch the BIP and the code, and there are resources floating around using those names already
4512021-05-06T22:58:42 <jeremyrubin> I don't really care tho overall; happy for the names to just be assigned by someone who cares
4522021-05-06T22:58:55 <jeremyrubin> jnewbery: ^ you want to pick for me :p
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