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  9 2021-05-20T00:28:42  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev, #bitcoin-builds, #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews have been reserved at least, if you need any more let me know
 10 2021-05-20T00:29:53  <wumpus> or kinlo
 11 2021-05-20T00:45:38  <aj> #bitcoin-anything is reserved apparently, i tried registering bitcoin-signet. presuably kalle can set it up if desired
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 50 2021-05-20T03:08:13  <emcy> get the fuck outta here fresh prince
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 56 2021-05-20T03:35:54  <BlueMatt> jeremyrubin: note that libera is doing aggressive registration of #X-*
 57 2021-05-20T03:36:13  <BlueMatt> jeremyrubin: relevant bitcoiners have the "bitcoin" group registered, so it probably makes sense to move more towards #bitcoin-X
 58 2021-05-20T03:36:33  <BlueMatt> jeremyrubin: eg, I'm suggesting #rust-bitcoin move to #bitcoin-rust (as #rust-* is technically owned by anyone who registers a rust organization)
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 60 2021-05-20T03:39:13  <gwillen> BlueMatt: are they actually more organized about it than freenode was? The documentation claims you need a group registration to get a single-hash prefix but that doesn't actually seem to be enforced by chanserv any more than it was here
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 62 2021-05-20T03:39:37  <BlueMatt> gwillen: hmm, dunno? It seems like the whole thing was somewhat of a massive rushjob
 63 2021-05-20T03:39:50  <BlueMatt> gwillen: I mean the servers only came online like, today, so....who knows
 64 2021-05-20T03:39:53  <gwillen> I mean they just copied a lot of the documentation from freenode I think
 65 2021-05-20T03:40:02  <gwillen> but the group system on freenode has always been sort of aspirational at best
 66 2021-05-20T03:40:07  <BlueMatt> right
 67 2021-05-20T03:40:07  <gwillen> and they don't have any more staff, so
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108 2021-05-20T05:47:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7d19c85f4a27...ea8b2e8e127b
109 2021-05-20T05:47:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eb4fb7e Karl-Johan Alm: rpc/gettxoutsetinfo: hash_or_height is a named argument
110 2021-05-20T05:47:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c8cf0a3 Karl-Johan Alm: rpc/getpeerinfo: bytesrecv_per_msg is a dynamic dictionary
111 2021-05-20T05:47:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dc4db23 Karl-Johan Alm: rpc: address:amount dictionaries are OBJ_USER_KEYS
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115 2021-05-20T05:47:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21913: rpc: RPCHelpMan fixes (master...202104-rpchelpman-fixes2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21913
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133 2021-05-20T07:31:35  <vasild> https://libera.chat/guides/connect -- "Libera.Chat is not yet accessible by TOR but we intend to have this available soon.", trying to connect to irc.libera.chat via tor results in "You are banned from this server- Your Tor exit node must not allow connections to libera.chat. Email tor-kline@libera.chat for assistance."
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135 2021-05-20T07:34:30  <gwillen> vasild: from the phrasing I assume they intend to set up an onion service
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142 2021-05-20T07:35:03  <hebasto> wumpus: maybe reserve #bitcoin-core-gui as well?
143 2021-05-20T07:35:08  <vasild> gwillen: yes, "soon"
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146 2021-05-20T07:36:14  <gwillen> hebasto: I recommend just go ahead and do it if you think it might be useful, you can always hand it off later
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148 2021-05-20T07:36:27  <gwillen> mentioning things to reserve in public spaces before actually reserving them is a dangerous game ;-)
149 2021-05-20T07:36:38  <gwillen> if the wrong people are listening.
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162 2021-05-20T07:37:59  <gwillen> (I just popped into it to hold it, I haven't registered it but I'm holding ops and can hand them off to one of you guys)
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164 2021-05-20T07:38:07  <kinlo> I can handle reservation for #bitcoin-* channels
165 2021-05-20T07:38:38  <gwillen> ahh right, I forget there's group registration
166 2021-05-20T07:39:08  <hebasto> kinlo: see my message above
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192 2021-05-20T08:52:05  <real_or_random> shouldn't bitcoin and bitcoin-core be different namespaces even?
193 2021-05-20T08:55:15  <real_or_random> (I mean... I guess they're not. But do we want different namespaces?)
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203 2021-05-20T09:25:48  <jnewbery> #proposedmeetingtopic remove fuzzer from CI jobs
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209 2021-05-20T09:48:02  <hebasto> real_or_random: thinking the same
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231 2021-05-20T11:00:57  <sysadmin> This channel will be terminated. Any nicks remaining in the channel will also be terminated. This action cannot be undone. Please /connect to irc.butt.es and /join #gamme for more information.
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234 2021-05-20T11:07:49  <sysadmin> This channel will be terminated. Any nicks remaining in the channel will also be terminated. This action cannot be undone. Please /connect to irc.butt.es and /join #gamme for more information.
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241 2021-05-20T11:20:33  <michaelfolkson> ^ I think this from sysadmin is spam
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244 2021-05-20T11:24:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22002: Fix crash when parsing command line with -noincludeconf=0 (master...2105-parseCommandlineCrash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22002
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250 2021-05-20T12:06:15  <Kiminuo> michaelfolkson, Will this channel stay or is something changing?
251 2021-05-20T12:07:49  <michaelfolkson> Kiminuo: The last I heard/read we were claiming nicks and channels on Libera in case we move there but we are probably going to wait until the dust settles to decide whether we do
252 2021-05-20T12:08:31  <Kiminuo> thanks for the info
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255 2021-05-20T12:08:45  <michaelfolkson> I haven't heard anything regarding Freenode channels being terminated. I suspect this is highly unlikely despite the spam suggesting otherwise
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257 2021-05-20T12:09:19  <nkuttler> nothing was decided for #bitcoin* yet
258 2021-05-20T12:09:42  <nkuttler> quite some channels are moving though, some to libera, some to oftc, others probably elsewhere
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303 2021-05-20T13:14:09  <Kiminuo> I'm interested in the process of "merging of PRs in Bitcoin Core repo" in general. So I understand that a PR needs a certain number of code review ACKs to be eligible for merging. But what happens then? What actually makes a person to click the "merge" button?
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312 2021-05-20T13:35:01  <wumpus> real_or_random: no idea if libera supports recursive namespaces, tbh i'm fine with the bitcoin core channels being under the bitcoin namespace no need to make this too complicated
313 2021-05-20T13:35:43  <real_or_random> Yeah I think both options are reasonable in the end.
314 2021-05-20T13:36:44  <real_or_random> I just thought that we had the same story for websites, github orgs etc, so it would be logical to have a proper separation from the beginning on
315 2021-05-20T13:37:28  <real_or_random> But in the end, chat is less official, and it's like with all the other services: we can switch if they go crazy.
316 2021-05-20T13:38:03  <wumpus> Kiminuo: the goal in a PR is to get consensus for merging it, there's some judgement involved by a maintainer regarding risk of the change versus number and thoroughness of reviews
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318 2021-05-20T13:38:37  <wumpus> no one is constantly paying attention to the whole list though, so if you see something with a lot of ACKs that isn't merged yet feel free to bring it up
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321 2021-05-20T13:42:48  <Kiminuo> I see. So it basically depends on people with merge right when they feel good about a PR.
322 2021-05-20T13:45:30  <Kiminuo> wumpus, Well, for example, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21850 this is a PR of mine where I'm currently thinking whether I should apply the suggestion https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21850#pullrequestreview-655658498 or not. If I'll apply it now I'll lose ACKs, if I'll leave it as it is then it may be merged and my next PR will be easier to review. But I guess this is something people cope with often
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324 2021-05-20T13:47:03  <Kiminuo> But given that the merging process is a somewhat non-deterministic process from my side, I can't really decide, I guess.
325 2021-05-20T13:47:03  <wumpus> mostly how they feel about the *comments on a PR*, if you see something you'd absolutely do not want to see merged it's really important to bring that up too
326 2021-05-20T13:48:10  <wumpus> of course, merges are not final, if someone finds a problem after something is merged it's possible to revert
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329 2021-05-20T13:48:39  <wumpus> Kiminuo: let me see
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331 2021-05-20T13:49:35  <wumpus> in general i don't think 'losing ACKs' should be a reason not to do something if it's otherwise a valid comment, it's easy enough to review the diff again, at least if it is a small change
332 2021-05-20T13:51:45  <Kiminuo> ok, so I'll try to address that. Thanks
333 2021-05-20T13:53:48  <wumpus> in this case as the whole point of the PR is to come up with better naming, i guess it makes sense to incorporate the suggestion, instead of doing a big rename yet again afterward
334 2021-05-20T13:54:58  <Kiminuo> right
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337 2021-05-20T14:04:46  <wumpus> michaelfolkson: i think it's not 100% clear, the infrastructure for freenode is hosted by various parties who donate a server, what happens depends on whether they go along with the new situation
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339 2021-05-20T14:05:57  <wumpus> that said i doubt any will just pull the plug with 2 minutes notice
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346 2021-05-20T14:11:22  <michaelfolkson> Kiminuo: You can always cc those who have already ACKed it asking for a re-ACK clearly explaining what has changed since they last ACKed and hopefully they'll be happy to re-ACK
347 2021-05-20T14:13:36  <Kiminuo> michaelfolkson, Yeah. I kind of want to optimize my workflow for "not bothering others needlessly" but in this case it is probably justifiable.
348 2021-05-20T14:15:53  <michaelfolkson> Kiminuo: Right especially as the time for the reviewer to re-ACK will be minimal in comparison to the time they needed to ACK it in the first place (assuming the change is relatively small which in this case it looks to be)
349 2021-05-20T14:16:16  <Kiminuo> yeah, thanks
350 2021-05-20T14:16:29  <ggus> hi all, this is gus from the tor project. i don't know if this is the right channel to ask, but very soon tor project will deprecate and remove v2 onion services. i've checked that ~15% of bitcoin nodes are running over tor and many of them are running v2 onion. do you have thoughts on how we could warn these node operators and help them migrate to v3 onion services?
351 2021-05-20T14:17:48  <hebasto> Kiminuo: to make re-ACKing a bit easier to reviewers, you'd not want to rebase without conflicts as well
352 2021-05-20T14:18:05  <vasild> ggus: Hello!
353 2021-05-20T14:18:54  <Kiminuo> hebasto, Yes, you have made me aware of it. It didn't occur to me back then.
354 2021-05-20T14:19:23  <aj> i have an alias ---> git rebase -i $(git merge-base HEAD origin/master)     <--- for when i want to edit my commits without changing the base commit to make comparison a little easier
355 2021-05-20T14:20:10  <hebasto> Kiminuo: sorry if I repeat myself, it was not address to you personally, rather a general advice
356 2021-05-20T14:20:37  <Kiminuo> hebasto, np, it's useful advice!
357 2021-05-20T14:21:50  <ggus> hello, vasild!
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359 2021-05-20T14:21:51  <Kiminuo> How do you guys review force-pushes? I use Github CLI and "gh pr checkout <number>" and when it is force-pushed, I use "gh pr checkout --force <number>". Then do you use simply "git diff old-commit..force-pushed-commit"?
360 2021-05-20T14:22:06  <vasild> ggus: on warning those node operators, I have no idea, maybe some mailing list or blog (that gets picked by news web sites) may help. On helping them migrate to v3 - there are two cases - 1. statically configured onion service in torrc, the users need to edit their torrc, no need to upgrade bitcoin core; 2. an onion service that is automatically created by bitcoin core - this will be switched
361 2021-05-20T14:22:12  <vasild> automatically to v3, but an upgrade to bitcoin core 0.21 is needed
362 2021-05-20T14:22:49  <hebasto> Kiminuo: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/Developer-Notes-for-Qt-Code#reviewing-pull-request
363 2021-05-20T14:23:36  <Kiminuo> hebasto, ah, that's super helpful. I missed that. Thanks!
364 2021-05-20T14:23:48  <hebasto> you need `git range-diff ...`
365 2021-05-20T14:24:41  <Kiminuo> Great. That will make my life simpler :)
366 2021-05-20T14:24:47  <Kiminuo> b for now
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369 2021-05-20T14:28:05  <vasild> ggus: hmm, actually in the 1. case, if the user just edits torrc and changes the v2 onion service to v3, then an old bitcoin core (<0.21) would be able to accept incoming tor connections, but if it wants to make outgoing connections to v3 addresses, then an upgrade to >=0.21 is needed
370 2021-05-20T14:28:39  <ggus> vasild: do you have suggestions of mailing lists or forums that we should announce this? for the news, we can contact some news outlet. And do you know which tools people are using to automatically deploy a bitcoin node, so we can contact the developers?
371 2021-05-20T14:29:22  <ggus> vasild: about #2: amazing! so we just need to ask people to upgrade their bitcoin core software
372 2021-05-20T14:29:26  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2 | Long-term, safe, store-of-value · Issue #2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
373 2021-05-20T14:31:14  <vasild> ggus: there is bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org but I doubt it is the best way to reach users, maybe others would have better ideas, wumpus?
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375 2021-05-20T14:35:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ajtowns opened pull request #22003: txmempool: add thread safety annotations (master...202105-mempoolguards) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22003
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385 2021-05-20T14:50:20  <wumpus> I can post to the notification list (bitcoin-core-dev) and to the bitcoin core twitter account (would make sense to PR a new blog item to bitcoincore.org first, so it's possible to post a link to that)
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390 2021-05-20T15:05:28  <ggus> wumpus: oh, that would be awesome! could you link to this blog post? https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline
391 2021-05-20T15:11:25  <wumpus> it would be more useful to have bitcoin specific instructions
392 2021-05-20T15:12:33  <wumpus> i mean i think tor deprecating tor v2 hidden services is well known at this point to tor users (they have been pretty loud about it), but bitcoin users might not know what to do dunno
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394 2021-05-20T15:12:50  <ggus> wumpus: yes, agree.
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398 2021-05-20T15:18:10  <sipa> ggus: hello! what is the exact timeframe within which we might expect v2 services to start failing?
399 2021-05-20T15:18:52  <sipa> oh, you linked that above - sorry, i was reading backlog
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401 2021-05-20T15:20:35  <sipa> july 15 is the next step on the timeline, and we're scheduled to have our next major release in august (though from experience, it always might slip a few weeks)
402 2021-05-20T15:21:09  <sipa> we should not forget to include a mention in our release notes
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413 2021-05-20T15:34:23  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22004: fuzz: Speed up transaction fuzz target (master...2105-fuzzTx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22004
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418 2021-05-20T15:57:27  <BlueMatt> sipa: does it make sense to remove support for v2 services then?
419 2021-05-20T15:57:36  <BlueMatt> huh, bye sipa
420 2021-05-20T15:58:42  <BlueMatt> anyway, presumably it makes sense to remove v2 service support ~now, not that I'm volunteering to do it
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435 2021-05-20T16:34:23  <wumpus> ack on removing v2 suport
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439 2021-05-20T16:39:47  <sipa> wumpus: i guess i missed something, but right, if v2 support is going to be removed imminently from tor, might as well remove it in v22.0
440 2021-05-20T16:41:01  <wumpus> yes, i think so too
441 2021-05-20T16:42:03  <wumpus> tor (master) already refuses to connect to v2 hidden services so if we don't, we'll likely get a lot of complaints about people seeing their log full of failed connection attempts
442 2021-05-20T16:47:11  <vasild> https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline -- it is a bit unclear to me when v2 support is going to be dropped network-wise
443 2021-05-20T16:48:54  <vasild> in July 0.4.6.x will be released (without v2 support), but it will not be stable?
444 2021-05-20T16:49:36  <vasild> and in October a stable version without v2 support will be released
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447 2021-05-20T16:52:06  <vasild> I assume after Oct v2 services will start being unreachable, but what about tor nodes that run 0.4.5.x (which supports v2) after Oct?
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449 2021-05-20T16:52:56  <vasild> maybe with some luck v2 services could be reachable even after Oct (if only old nodes are involved in the routing)?
450 2021-05-20T16:53:03  <vasild> ggus: ^ correct?
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453 2021-05-20T17:02:48  <sipa> ggus: thanks for reaching out, in any case
454 2021-05-20T17:04:52  <ggus> vasild: yes, with some luck they could be reachable, but we're expecting that almost all tor relays will not support v2 onions anymore in October.
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457 2021-05-20T17:09:45  <ggus> sipa: next week we will have an invite only Tor AMA about v2 onion services deprecation. it would be important to have some of bitcore-devs present there. if you pm your email, i'll send the invitation.
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473 2021-05-20T17:30:36  <sipa> wumpus, vasild: we should probably (but perhaps not immediately) stop relaying v2 addresses
474 2021-05-20T17:30:52  <sipa> so they stop being rumoured and taking space in addrmans
475 2021-05-20T17:31:00  <wumpus> right
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480 2021-05-20T17:49:02  <sipa> ggus: see PM, note that the project is called "bitcoin core"; there is an unrelated piece of software called bitcore too
481 2021-05-20T17:57:27  <jonatack> catching up with the tor v2 discussion, i've been running bitcoind with tor- for a couple of months now that rejects v2 addresses
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483 2021-05-20T17:57:46  <jonatack> and working on removing v2 support
484 2021-05-20T17:58:03  <jonatack> after discussions on doing this with wumpus and vasild
485 2021-05-20T17:59:00  <jonatack> if someone else is also working on this, please let me know to coordinate
486 2021-05-20T17:59:04  <wumpus> yes we discussed in #21351
487 2021-05-20T17:59:06  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21351 | net: No more v2 onion support in upstream Tor master · Issue #21351 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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489 2021-05-20T17:59:33  <jonatack> wumpus: yes, that was the starting point for me running the new tor, have stayed with it since
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497 2021-05-20T18:11:06  <wumpus> same, it works for mainnet, but wasn't able to connect to testnet it would be nice to have v3 hardcoded seeds for testnet too (and remove the v2 ones), though i'm not aware of anyone even running one
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500 2021-05-20T18:12:13  <jonatack> -addrinfo on testnet shows 24 v3 peers for me
501 2021-05-20T18:12:26  <wumpus> great!
502 2021-05-20T18:12:35  <jonatack> (and 15 on signet)
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504 2021-05-20T18:14:04  <jonatack> ah indeed, #21560 added on mainnet only
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506 2021-05-20T18:14:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21560 | net: Add Tor v3 hardcoded seeds by laanwj · Pull Request #21560 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
507 2021-05-20T18:16:21  <wumpus> yeh that was most urgent; the reason i'm bringing it up really is that contrib/seeds/nodes_test.txt *only* contains v2 onions, it also hasn't been touched since 2015 (besides adding port #'s), another option would be to just get rid of it
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511 2021-05-20T18:18:28  <jonatack> speaking of which, #21843 is probably rfm
512 2021-05-20T18:18:30  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21843 | p2p, rpc: enable GetAddr, GetAddresses, and getnodeaddresses by network by jonatack · Pull Request #21843 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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516 2021-05-20T18:19:54  <jonatack> e.g. getnodeaddresses 24 onion
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525 2021-05-20T18:28:25  <wumpus> jonatack: agreed, it looks pretty much rfm
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533 2021-05-20T18:53:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 8 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ea8b2e8e127b...37e9f07996d3
534 2021-05-20T18:53:43  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d35ddca Jon Atack: p2p: enable CAddrMan::GetAddr_() by network, add doxygen
535 2021-05-20T18:53:44  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c38981e João Barbosa: p2p: pull time call out of loop in CAddrMan::GetAddr_()
536 2021-05-20T18:53:44  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a49f3dd Jon Atack: p2p: allow CAddrMan::GetAddr() by network, add doxygen
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539 2021-05-20T18:54:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #21843: p2p, rpc: enable GetAddr, GetAddresses, and getnodeaddresses by network (master...getnodeaddresses-by-network) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21843
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541 2021-05-20T18:54:44  <jonatack> turns out there are many more v3 peers on testnet once you addnode the ones you know
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543 2021-05-20T18:59:23  <provoostenator> jonatack: I guess the DNS seeds don't crawl them and currently can't announce using the v2 address message?
544 2021-05-20T18:59:26  <provoostenator> (format)
545 2021-05-20T18:59:50  <provoostenator> But I would still expect most other nodes to gossip them.
546 2021-05-20T18:59:52  <wumpus> was about to say, you're basically performing the DNS seed crawler's work manually now :-)\
547 2021-05-20T19:00:13  <provoostenator> But I guess you can't specifically ask for them?
548 2021-05-20T19:01:15  *** Talkless <Talkless!~Talkless@mail.dargis.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
549 2021-05-20T19:01:35  <wumpus> created an issue wrt collecting torv3/i2p addresses in the crawler https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder/issues/92  even though there's no point in adding them to the actual DNS seeds, it would still be useful to have a way to keep tabs on them for the hardcoded seeds updates
550 2021-05-20T19:01:44  <meshcollider> Meeting? Or is my timezone wrong
551 2021-05-20T19:02:05  <wumpus> #startmeeting
552 2021-05-20T19:02:05  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu May 20 19:02:05 2021 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
553 2021-05-20T19:02:05  <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
554 2021-05-20T19:02:13  <wumpus> meshcollider: you're right
555 2021-05-20T19:02:16  <jnewbery> hi
556 2021-05-20T19:02:19  <hebasto> hi
557 2021-05-20T19:02:21  <sipsorcery> hi
558 2021-05-20T19:02:22  <achow101> hi
559 2021-05-20T19:02:26  <meshcollider> hi
560 2021-05-20T19:02:27  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 aj amiti ariard bluematt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik
561 2021-05-20T19:02:29  <wumpus> petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild wumpus
562 2021-05-20T19:02:39  <jonatack> hi
563 2021-05-20T19:02:39  <michaelfolkson> hi
564 2021-05-20T19:02:51  <fjahr> hi
565 2021-05-20T19:03:34  <wumpus> three proposed meetings for today: moving to oftc or libera.chat (aj), windows code signing certificate update (achow101), remove fuzzer from CI jobs (jnewbery)
566 2021-05-20T19:03:34  <sipa> bhi
567 2021-05-20T19:03:44  <wumpus> any last minute topics?
568 2021-05-20T19:04:33  <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
569 2021-05-20T19:04:33  <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
570 2021-05-20T19:04:55  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 : currently 9 blockers, no bugfixes, no chasing concept ACK
571 2021-05-20T19:04:59  <provoostenator> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/4 HWW GUI support would be cool, though technically doesn't block anything
572 2021-05-20T19:05:05  <wumpus> anything to add/remove or that is (almost) ready for merge
573 2021-05-20T19:05:33  <wumpus> is it possible to add a GUI PR there?
574 2021-05-20T19:05:59  <wumpus> unfortunately i don't think so
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576 2021-05-20T19:06:36  <hebasto> it should work to add with full link
577 2021-05-20T19:06:42  <wumpus> let me try
578 2021-05-20T19:08:21  <wumpus> right i could add it through a 'note'
579 2021-05-20T19:08:51  <hebasto> wumpus: provoostenator: thanks!
580 2021-05-20T19:09:35  <wumpus> amything else for high prio?
581 2021-05-20T19:10:31  <wumpus> #topic Moving to oftc or libera.chat (aj)
582 2021-05-20T19:10:32  <core-meetingbot> topic: Moving to oftc or libera.chat (aj)
583 2021-05-20T19:11:21  <wumpus> i'm not sure how much of a discussion this is anymore, fwiw: we've already reserved the namespace and channels in libera.chat
584 2021-05-20T19:11:49  <wumpus> it makes sense to register your nickname there if you haven't done so yet (works the same as here, with nickserv)
585 2021-05-20T19:12:21  <hebasto> how long it would take to switch from freenode?
586 2021-05-20T19:12:54  <wumpus> i don't think there's any work left to be done?
587 2021-05-20T19:13:17  <michaelfolkson> This is still up in the air right? We're going to wait until dust has settled to decide rather than move in say the next week or two?
588 2021-05-20T19:13:20  <wumpus> okay, the merges bot isn't there yet, and we need to update the bitcoincore.org website
589 2021-05-20T19:13:35  <BlueMatt> I dont think it should be a question on if things should move, there's not really any doubt that it should have moved already, only question is libera, oftc, or something else
590 2021-05-20T19:14:45  <michaelfolkson> BlueMatt: Because new owner is "malicious"? I haven't been following it that closely. Are there any devs still left on the Freenode side?
591 2021-05-20T19:14:52  <wumpus> from what i've seen there is pretty broad agreement to move
592 2021-05-20T19:15:25  <hebasto> is current lack of tor support on libera a blocker?
593 2021-05-20T19:15:29  <wumpus> michaelfolkson: it's really fishy what happened, legal threats against admins etc
594 2021-05-20T19:16:13  <wumpus> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
595 2021-05-20T19:16:14  <achow101> oftc seems to be a bit harder to register with since they don't support sasl
596 2021-05-20T19:17:04  <hebasto> ^ without public plans to add such support?
597 2021-05-20T19:17:05  <BlueMatt> michaelfolkson: the people behind the freenode acquisition have been known hostile to bitcoin for years, I kinda suggested moving, but wasnt worth the effort, this seems like a good excuse more than anything.
598 2021-05-20T19:17:25  <b10c_> hi
599 2021-05-20T19:17:31  <wumpus> hebasto: libera is planning to add tor support at least they mention so on their page
600 2021-05-20T19:17:34  <michaelfolkson> BlueMatt: Ok thanks
601 2021-05-20T19:17:48  <sipa> today i was briefly able to connect to libera over tor
602 2021-05-20T19:17:59  <hebasto> nice
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604 2021-05-20T19:18:17  <BlueMatt> (the actual freenode admins have been fairly friendly to bitcoin stuff, at least after a *ton* of effort on the part of some of the #bitcoin mods, most of those admins have moved to libera now)
605 2021-05-20T19:19:22  <provoostenator> I registered provoostenator on the other side :-)
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607 2021-05-20T19:20:12  <murch> provoostenator: Well, that settles it then. ;)
608 2021-05-20T19:20:43  <wumpus> it's wise to register your name there, to prevent it from being grabbed by someone else
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610 2021-05-20T19:20:57  <provoostenator> And then confirm it here.
611 2021-05-20T19:21:07  <wumpus> yes
612 2021-05-20T19:21:07  <michaelfolkson> I suppose my second and final question would be there isn't the possibility of a reversal and everyone makes up and goes back to Freenode right? This often seems to happen in scenarios like this. A protest which results in a new agreement
613 2021-05-20T19:21:19  <hebasto> am I understand correctly hat there is a consensus to move from freenode?
614 2021-05-20T19:21:22  <provoostenator> (depending on *how* hostile the IRC overloards are here of course)
615 2021-05-20T19:21:48  <hebasto> * that
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617 2021-05-20T19:22:39  <achow101> it's prudent to maintain accounts on multiple networks so that switching is merely changing a url
618 2021-05-20T19:23:04  <wumpus> michaelfolkson: i sincerely doubt it (but cannot really go into details)
619 2021-05-20T19:23:31  <wumpus> read the gist i posted for some information
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621 2021-05-20T19:23:45  <BlueMatt> michaelfolkson: I think if we find much wrong with libera, we will move to oftc or elsewhere, there's about zero chance we end up back on freenode
622 2021-05-20T19:24:13  <michaelfolkson> wumpus BlueMatt: Ok, sounds like it is just a question of timing then
623 2021-05-20T19:25:03  <jonatack> https://libera.chat/guides/registration
624 2021-05-20T19:25:37  <hebasto> my vote is for libera
625 2021-05-20T19:25:59  <achow101> libera is fine with me
626 2021-05-20T19:26:04  <wumpus> same
627 2021-05-20T19:26:18  <michaelfolkson> Yeah libera seems obvious choice
628 2021-05-20T19:26:18  <jonatack> yup
629 2021-05-20T19:27:21  <provoostenator> Who wants to register satoshi to keep out the name squatters,  and receive lots of legal threats? :-)
630 2021-05-20T19:27:59  <wumpus> so the remaining question is timeframe
631 2021-05-20T19:28:19  <wumpus> where is next week's IRC meeting?
632 2021-05-20T19:28:52  <provoostenator> It could make sense to do that on libera, but maybe ask right before the meeting if anyone objects.
633 2021-05-20T19:28:55  <sipa> maybe let's plan to have next week's meeting be the last one here?
634 2021-05-20T19:29:02  <sipa> unless there are exigent circumstances
635 2021-05-20T19:29:15  <achow101> There are also all of the side meetings (e.g. wallet, p2p)
636 2021-05-20T19:29:39  <jnewbery> those should follow the main meeting
637 2021-05-20T19:29:42  <ariard> hi
638 2021-05-20T19:29:46  <michaelfolkson> Yeah it is good to keep people informed and not move quickly unless forced to (I think)
639 2021-05-20T19:30:06  <jonatack> next wallet meeting is tomorrow (here, presumably)
640 2021-05-20T19:30:08  <michaelfolkson> Last Core dev meeting here next week sounds good to me (and gives time for people to get set up)
641 2021-05-20T19:30:20  <wumpus> sgtm
642 2021-05-20T19:30:24  <hebasto> agree
643 2021-05-20T19:30:27  <achow101> ack
644 2021-05-20T19:30:40  <jonatack> i'm fine to switch as soon as people want to
645 2021-05-20T19:31:22  <wumpus> #topic Windows code signing certificate update (achow101)
646 2021-05-20T19:31:22  <core-meetingbot> topic: Windows code signing certificate update (achow101)
647 2021-05-20T19:31:22  <hebasto> how people will be informed about moving?
648 2021-05-20T19:31:40  <wumpus> hebasto: we can set the topic here i guess
649 2021-05-20T19:31:50  <hebasto> wumpus: ok
650 2021-05-20T19:31:50  <achow101> It looks like we will be getting the windows code signing certificate shortly, hopefully within in the next week
651 2021-05-20T19:31:57  <wumpus> achow101: great news!!!
652 2021-05-20T19:32:11  <sipa> awesöme
653 2021-05-20T19:32:18  <wumpus> hebasto: and we'll need to badger people talking here for a while to move maybe :)
654 2021-05-20T19:32:21  <achow101> We have created Bitcoin Core Code Signing LLC registerd in Delaware and the cert will be issued to this new LLC
655 2021-05-20T19:32:46  <wumpus> hebasto: then at some point maybe set it to +m
656 2021-05-20T19:32:59  <achow101> it's been validated already, so all that's left is waiting for Digicert to issue the cert itself
657 2021-05-20T19:33:06  <wumpus> achow101: glad to hear that
658 2021-05-20T19:33:37  <achow101> that's all
659 2021-05-20T19:33:51  <provoostenator> Nice!
660 2021-05-20T19:34:21  <wumpus> #topic Remove fuzzer from CI jobs (jnewbery)
661 2021-05-20T19:34:21  <core-meetingbot> topic: Remove fuzzer from CI jobs (jnewbery)
662 2021-05-20T19:35:33  <jnewbery> hi!
663 2021-05-20T19:36:07  <jnewbery> It seems that cirrus CI very frequently times out after two hours on the job that runs the fuzz corpus
664 2021-05-20T19:36:35  <jnewbery> and that causes the CI to show as failed for PRs that don't actually have any problems
665 2021-05-20T19:36:56  <wumpus> yes, it happens intermittently but quite often
666 2021-05-20T19:37:13  <jnewbery> There are two problems here: 1. a run time of two hours is a really slow feedback loop, which is terrible for productivity
667 2021-05-20T19:37:24  <wumpus> i wonder if there are any specific cases that are so slow or it's necessarily like this
668 2021-05-20T19:37:40  <sipa> i think the fuzz test sets are also just too big
669 2021-05-20T19:37:41  <provoostenator> Is it possible to a much more limited fuzz? Just to catch really obvious mistakes?
670 2021-05-20T19:37:47  <wumpus> two hour is long yes
671 2021-05-20T19:37:49  <jnewbery> 2. a CI that has false failures reduces people's trust in the system and hides actual failures
672 2021-05-20T19:37:57  <jonatack> protip, push on sunday
673 2021-05-20T19:38:03  <jnewbery> I personally don't think we should be running the fuzz corpus on PRs
674 2021-05-20T19:38:16  <sipa> jnewbery: you mean just run it on master?
675 2021-05-20T19:38:21  <sipa> that'd be fine by me
676 2021-05-20T19:38:40  <ajonas> so oss-fuzz does have a ci intergration
677 2021-05-20T19:38:50  <jnewbery> if the code that the corpus is testing hasn't changed, then you're just running the same code paths as every other path. If it has changed, then the corpus isn't going to get good coverage (since it's optimized for the old code)
678 2021-05-20T19:38:51  <ajonas> no idea what the run time would be but it's something to maybe consider
679 2021-05-20T19:38:55  <jnewbery> yes, just run on master
680 2021-05-20T19:39:17  <jnewbery> I feel like a CI is not the right place for fuzzing
681 2021-05-20T19:39:26  <jonatack> at the same time, the fuzz CI helpfully catches when you forget to update the fuzzers for your changes
682 2021-05-20T19:39:49  <sipa> jonatack: we can build the fuzz code without running it
683 2021-05-20T19:39:50  <jnewbery> jonatack: we should still build the fuzz binaries
684 2021-05-20T19:39:53  <hebasto> ^ we have fuzz binary by default
685 2021-05-20T19:40:00  <michaelfolkson> provoostenator: I don't think we're at a point where we can draw a clear divide between obvious fuzzing and non obvious fuzzing (but someone can correct me if wrong)
686 2021-05-20T19:40:31  <sipa> another possibility is just running the a small random subset of fuzz inputs
687 2021-05-20T19:40:58  <sipa> but i think i agree with jnewbery that in general, (PR) CI is not the right place for fuzzing
688 2021-05-20T19:41:14  <jnewbery> sorry, typo in my earlier statement: s/the same code path as every other path/the same code path as every other branch/
689 2021-05-20T19:41:14  <ajonas> The fuzzer is not the only thing that's slow
690 2021-05-20T19:41:27  <sipa> well, what we're doing isn't even actual fuzzing, it's running unit tests that are automatically derived from fuzzing corpus :)
691 2021-05-20T19:41:36  <ajonas> it will knock the feedback loop down some but it's not the only issue if that's what the goal is
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693 2021-05-20T19:42:05  <sipa> ajonas: what else is?
694 2021-05-20T19:42:10  <jnewbery> sipa: not really unit tests, since they don't necessarily assert that the behaviour is correct.
695 2021-05-20T19:42:23  <jnewbery> they just try to hit path coverage
696 2021-05-20T19:42:23  <sipa> jnewbery: true
697 2021-05-20T19:42:24  <glozow> the fuzzer is the one that’s timing out a lot though right?
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700 2021-05-20T19:43:07  <ajonas> the macbuild actually takes longer on average
701 2021-05-20T19:43:18  <jonatack> and there is still a fuzzer run on bitcoinbuilds atm
702 2021-05-20T19:43:18  <ajonas> same with tsan
703 2021-05-20T19:43:23  <wumpus> glozow: yes it's why your testmempoolaccept PR is failing the CI
704 2021-05-20T19:43:30  <michaelfolkson> glozow: Nothing else takes two hours as far as I know :)
705 2021-05-20T19:43:31  <glozow> yes :’(
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708 2021-05-20T19:43:53  <jonatack> michaelfolkson: i have the impression that it can vary quite a bit
709 2021-05-20T19:44:00  <jnewbery> my proposal would be to remove the fuzz corpus testing from our CI. I also think separately we should all aim to drive down the CI time - fast feedback loops are really important
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711 2021-05-20T19:45:00  <ajonas> sorry that's wrong https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9vK4c0d1/Screen%20Shot%202021-05-20%20at%203.44.36%20PM.png
712 2021-05-20T19:45:07  <ajonas> this is the last 7 days
713 2021-05-20T19:45:08  <wumpus> left by itself the time taken by test frameworks seems to be forever increasing :)
714 2021-05-20T19:45:16  <jnewbery> wumpus: yes :(
715 2021-05-20T19:45:42  <jonatack> ajonas: thanks!
716 2021-05-20T19:45:59  <ajonas> that's just the queue
717 2021-05-20T19:46:11  <ajonas> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8Cv7Yv85/Screen%20Shot%202021-05-20%20at%203.45.46%20PM.png
718 2021-05-20T19:46:20  <ajonas> that's the build duration
719 2021-05-20T19:46:36  <jnewbery> ajonas: is that data pulled from cirrus?
720 2021-05-20T19:46:44  <ajonas> yes
721 2021-05-20T19:47:18  <michaelfolkson> So ACK on removing fuzzer from CI. Does there need to be a separate conversation on the increasing time taken by test frameworks? Or is it inevitable that slowly goes up over time?
722 2021-05-20T19:47:40  <jnewbery> it's good to have that data
723 2021-05-20T19:47:53  <sipa> there is always the possibility of splitting up a very slow CI target in two
724 2021-05-20T19:47:54  <lightlike> has there ever been an instance where the fuzzer corpus run found a bug on a PR?
725 2021-05-20T19:48:14  <jnewbery> It doesn't match what I'm seeing on some PRs. For example 20833 has failed many times in a row because the fuzzer times out after two hours
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727 2021-05-20T19:48:23  <jnewbery> that seems unlikely if the mean really is 40 minutes
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729 2021-05-20T19:48:32  <wumpus> yes, i'm also fine with removing the fuzzer from the CI, i think it was mostly useful to that the fuzz tests got compiled, but that's the default now
730 2021-05-20T19:48:41  <jnewbery> unless there's something in that PR that causes the fuzzer job time to triple
731 2021-05-20T19:50:01  <sipa> jnewbery: maybe it's only the mean of successful jobs?
732 2021-05-20T19:50:24  <ajonas> definitely possible
733 2021-05-20T19:50:27  <ajonas> can check on that
734 2021-05-20T19:50:39  <michaelfolkson> lightlike: I'm not sure from the CI on a PR. But many bugs found by fuzzing generally https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/Fuzz-Trophies
735 2021-05-20T19:50:58  <glozow> this might be a dumb question but can we just run fuzz tests that are changed in the pr?
736 2021-05-20T19:51:08  <sipa> glozow: not sure how we'd do that
737 2021-05-20T19:51:32  <glozow> me neither 😅
738 2021-05-20T19:51:49  <sipa> michaelfolkson: those are all due to actual fuzzing
739 2021-05-20T19:52:05  <michaelfolkson> sipa: Ok
740 2021-05-20T19:52:06  <jnewbery> I'm also not sure of the value of running a fuzz corpus derived from an old branch on the new branch
741 2021-05-20T19:52:20  <sipa> jnewbery: it could detect certain regressions
742 2021-05-20T19:52:53  <jnewbery> either the code is the same and you're running the same executions, or the code is different and the fuzz corpus won't penetrate very deeply into the new code paths
743 2021-05-20T19:53:10  <sipa> jnewbery: i think that's a bit unnuanced
744 2021-05-20T19:53:10  <jnewbery> maybe I just don't understand the idea of corpuses
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746 2021-05-20T19:53:33  <sipa> you're certainly right for certain types of changes, but not all
747 2021-05-20T19:53:33  <jnewbery> sipa: probably :)
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749 2021-05-20T19:54:12  <ajonas> I don’t know think a slow and fast makes sense.  Fanquake also brought up that much of the Mac build is brew installing stuff. We can do better.
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752 2021-05-20T19:54:39  <sipa> in any case, i agree that there is little value in running these tests in CI on every PR
753 2021-05-20T19:54:39  <ajonas> That was garbled. A slow and fast test separation makes sense.
754 2021-05-20T19:54:44  <jnewbery> I think there's probably more analysis to be done. Knowing how many regressions were caught by running the fuzz corpus would be really interesting
755 2021-05-20T19:55:18  <sipa> jnewbery: a useful test could be trying to reintroduce an old bug that was found by fuzzing
756 2021-05-20T19:55:19  <jnewbery> do we have a CI job on the master branch after every merge? Would that be a better place for this test?
757 2021-05-20T19:55:26  <sipa> (but without straight up reverting the code)
758 2021-05-20T19:55:45  <sipa> jnewbery: i think so
759 2021-05-20T19:55:50  <jnewbery> I know we used to with Travis. I'm not very familiar with the cirrus config
760 2021-05-20T19:55:59  <sipa> hmm, not sure either
761 2021-05-20T19:56:02  <sipa> MarcoFalke: ^
762 2021-05-20T19:56:15  <hebasto> yes we have
763 2021-05-20T19:56:46  <sipa> https://cirrus-ci.com/build/5945300410957824 e.g.
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765 2021-05-20T19:57:09  <sipa> so it seems we indeed do
766 2021-05-20T19:57:12  <jnewbery> https://cirrus-ci.com/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/master
767 2021-05-20T19:57:51  <jnewbery> it looks like many of those jobs have timed out after 2 hours as well :(
768 2021-05-20T19:58:13  <sipa> well ne reason why those would be faster than the CI ones
769 2021-05-20T19:58:15  <sipa> *no
770 2021-05-20T19:58:26  <jnewbery> I guess there must be huge variance in the fuzz job time
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772 2021-05-20T19:59:44  <wumpus> meeting ending in a bit
773 2021-05-20T19:59:54  <ajonas> Chaincode has a dashboard that we can clean up and make available.
774 2021-05-20T20:00:04  <ajonas> Happy to do that if there is interest.
775 2021-05-20T20:00:23  <jnewbery> ajonas: thanks for all your work looking into this. I think it'll be really useful once we have reliable, fast CI
776 2021-05-20T20:00:27  <jnewbery> makes a huge difference
777 2021-05-20T20:00:57  <ajonas> Marco has done great work getting the functional test suite in shape.
778 2021-05-20T20:01:06  <jnewbery> thanks MarcoFalke!
779 2021-05-20T20:01:10  <ajonas> Lots still to do but help is appreciated.
780 2021-05-20T20:01:21  <jnewbery> I don't have anything else to add
781 2021-05-20T20:01:38  <jnewbery> (in this meeting)
782 2021-05-20T20:01:40  <wumpus> #endmeeting
783 2021-05-20T20:01:40  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
784 2021-05-20T20:01:40  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu May 20 20:01:40 2021 UTC.
785 2021-05-20T20:01:40  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-05-20-19.02.moin.txt
786 2021-05-20T20:01:43  <jnewbery> thanks wumpus!
787 2021-05-20T20:01:55  <midnight> kkk/w 29
788 2021-05-20T20:02:01  <midnight> er. sorry.
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790 2021-05-20T20:02:26  <sipa> jonatack: am i missing something here? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21843#discussion_r636431728
791 2021-05-20T20:02:56  <sipa> (pinging directly so i don't forget this; i'm happy to fix it if needed)
792 2021-05-20T20:04:37  <jnewbery> glozow: it looks like the fuzz job got a lot faster after #21931 was merged: https://cirrus-ci.com/build/5207270301630464. Perhaps try rebasing on recent master
793 2021-05-20T20:04:38  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21931 | ci: Bump cirrus fuzz CPUs to avoid timeout by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #21931 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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796 2021-05-20T20:06:02  <glozow> jnewbery: will do
797 2021-05-20T20:06:07  <jonatack> sipa: saw your comment via email notifs, looking at it
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799 2021-05-20T20:06:15  <michaelfolkson> ajonas: Re dashboard, yeah at least personally I'd be interested in anything you are able to open source/make public
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802 2021-05-20T20:09:12  <michaelfolkson> Presumably anything that is found from oss-fuzz will be added to the fuzz trophies page
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806 2021-05-20T20:10:50  <bitcoin-git> [gui] laanwj merged pull request #281: set shortcuts for console's resize buttons (master...mul-shortcuts-resize) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/281
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809 2021-05-20T20:11:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/37e9f07996d3...710c8ba82953
810 2021-05-20T20:11:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4ee9ee7 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Use native presentation of shortcut
811 2021-05-20T20:11:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a2e122f Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Add GUIUtil::AddButtonShortcut
812 2021-05-20T20:11:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2a45134 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Add shortcuts for console font resize buttons
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816 2021-05-20T20:12:36  <jnewbery> sipa: isn't the for loop bounded by the size of vRandom? How would you get an infinite loop?
817 2021-05-20T20:14:31  <sipa> jnewbery: oh you're right
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819 2021-05-20T20:14:46  <jnewbery> phew
820 2021-05-20T20:14:51  <jonatack> yes
821 2021-05-20T20:15:11  <sipa> i should learn to read instead of assuming i know what code does...
822 2021-05-20T20:16:05  <jonatack> thanks for checking
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829 2021-05-20T20:36:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #22008: wallet: Cleanup and refactor CreateTransactionInternal (master...refactor-createtx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22008
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847 2021-05-20T21:02:49  <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #335: test: Use QSignalSpy instead of QEventLoop (master...apptest-spy) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/335
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850 2021-05-20T21:03:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/710c8ba82953...e2b55cd20103
851 2021-05-20T21:03:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7eea659 Jarol Rodriguez: qt, test: use qsignalspy instead of qeventloop
852 2021-05-20T21:03:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e2b55cd Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#335: test: Use QSignalSpy instead of QEventLoop
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864 2021-05-20T21:40:16  <aj> jnewbery: i think the variance in fuzz time is that the job is "[compile] [fuzz] [add compile results to ccache]" -- if a previous job succeeded in <2h, ccache is up to date making compile much quicker; but if not, compile is slow, fuzz is slow, and 2h elapses before ccache gets updated causing every run to fail?
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891 2021-05-20T23:37:24  <murch> I've registered the nickname "murch" on Libera.
892 2021-05-20T23:39:53  <aj> i'm _aj_ :(
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