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972021-08-13T06:18:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Zero-1729 opened pull request #22695: build: enable SC2046 and SC2086 in lint-shell (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22695
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992021-08-13T06:22:02 <vasild> jonatack: laanwj: wrt #22651 being in 22.0 -- it is not a regression bug (ie has existed in previous releases)
1002021-08-13T06:22:05 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22651 | tor: respect non-onion -onlynet= for outgoing Tor connections by vasild · Pull Request #22651 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1012021-08-13T06:45:47 <vasild> The current p2p_port() could result in collisions: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/439e58c4d8194ca37f70346727d31f52e69592ec/test/functional/test_framework/util.py#L311
1022021-08-13T06:46:58 <vasild> if PortSeed.n=4782, then p2p_port(6)=13533
1032021-08-13T06:47:16 <vasild> if PortSeed.n=5198, then p2p_port(1)=13533
1042021-08-13T06:47:20 <vasild> for example
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1232021-08-13T08:35:53 <jonatack> vasild: right, what is new is users having an additional reason to be sensitive to the -onlynet behavior now, or find it surprising, because there is a second privacy network and some want to run I2P alone or are at least test it that way. whether that is v22.0-worthy, i don't know
1242021-08-13T08:36:21 <vasild> right
1252021-08-13T08:38:55 <vasild> I wonder if #22651 should be expanded to avoid onion outbound connections even if -proxy= is given
1262021-08-13T08:38:58 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22651 | tor: respect non-onion -onlynet= for outgoing Tor connections by vasild · Pull Request #22651 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1282021-08-13T08:39:31 <vasild> e.g. -onlynet=ipv4 -proxy=1.2.3.4:5678
1292021-08-13T08:40:52 <vasild> or if that is desirable/more intuitive, introduce a new option with another name with the new semantic and deprecate -onlynet.
1302021-08-13T08:43:01 <vasild> coz specifying more than one -onlynet is "strange": https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22651#issuecomment-895144677
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1332021-08-13T09:03:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/439e58c4d819...803ef70fd9f6
1342021-08-13T09:03:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ee458d8 MarcoFalke: Add missing const to CAddrMan::Check_()
1352021-08-13T09:03:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa9710f John Newbery: [addrman] Add deterministic argument to CAddrMan ctor
1362021-08-13T09:03:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 10aac24 John Newbery: [tests] Make deterministic addrman use nKey = 1
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1402021-08-13T09:12:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #20233: addrman: Make consistency checks a runtime option (master...2020-10-addrman-sanity) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20233
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1442021-08-13T09:36:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #22696: p2p: log addrman consistency checks (master...log-addrman-consistency-checks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22696
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1522021-08-13T10:21:13 <jonatack> vasild: maybe -limitnet? nevertheless, doesn't seem worth it... i suppose the concept of combining -onlynet options doesn't bug me
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2202021-08-13T19:00:24 <achow101> #startmeeting
2212021-08-13T19:00:25 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Fri Aug 13 19:00:24 2021 UTC. The chair is achow101. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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2232021-08-13T19:00:31 <michaelfolkson> hi
2242021-08-13T19:00:32 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd
2252021-08-13T19:00:32 <achow101> phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
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2272021-08-13T19:00:52 <achow101> anyone have any wallet topics to talk about?
2282021-08-13T19:00:52 <fjahr> hi
2292021-08-13T19:01:10 <michaelfolkson> I have some more Taproot descriptor questions if there is nothing else
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2312021-08-13T19:01:34 <achow101> I think S3RK had something, if he's around
2322021-08-13T19:02:19 <achow101> michaelfolkson: go ahead
2332021-08-13T19:03:07 <michaelfolkson> Ok cool. So I watched your Twitch session on creating a new generatedescriptor RPC
2342021-08-13T19:03:11 <michaelfolkson> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1105987609
2352021-08-13T19:03:50 <michaelfolkson> I'm trying to check that I understand the problem you're trying to solve. (You did say there were a number of possible approaches)
2362021-08-13T19:04:43 <michaelfolkson> So I could have a HD tree with ECDSA child pubkeys. Could I continue to use that HD tree and generate Schnorr pubkeys?
2372021-08-13T19:05:17 <achow101> yes, they're points on the same curve
2382021-08-13T19:05:26 <michaelfolkson> Either reusing the same private keys (not ideal) or just generate more child private keys and turn them into Schnorr pubkeys
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2402021-08-13T19:06:14 <michaelfolkson> Ok so one question is whether to start a new HD tree for your Taproot descriptors or continue using an existing one
2412021-08-13T19:06:14 <achow101> ecdsa pubkeys and schnorr pubkeys are fundamentally the same thing
2422021-08-13T19:06:24 <michaelfolkson> A user might want to do one or the other?
2432021-08-13T19:06:57 <achow101> it's generally discouraged to use the same pubkeys in different addresses
2442021-08-13T19:07:27 <michaelfolkson> Right but lower leaves on the same tree or just start afresh with a new tree?
2452021-08-13T19:08:03 <achow101> BIP 86 suggests a derivation path to use for keys used in taproot addresses
2462021-08-13T19:08:18 <achow101> most other wallets will probably use that
2472021-08-13T19:08:30 <michaelfolkson> Ok
2482021-08-13T19:08:51 <Murch[m]> Same keys for two different signing algos is dangerous because you may leak the key
2492021-08-13T19:09:12 <achow101> with descriptors, it doesn't particularly matter whether we use the same master key because it is encoded in the descriptor itself
2502021-08-13T19:09:35 <michaelfolkson> Murch: I think that was covered here right? https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/107924/are-there-risks-to-using-the-same-private-key-for-both-ecdsa-and-schnorr-signatu
2512021-08-13T19:10:40 <michaelfolkson> As long as you don't reuse nonces you are ok even if you are using the same private key to generate a ECDSA pubkey and a Schnorr pubkey
2522021-08-13T19:11:32 <achow101> deterministic nonces make that basically impossible
2532021-08-13T19:12:26 <michaelfolkson> I think you're ok using the same private key to generate (and sign from) a ECDSA pubkey and a Schnorr pubkey but you probably shouldn't do it
2542021-08-13T19:13:18 <Murch[m]> That seems right, but still like an unnecessary risk, when just deriving another subtree is trivial
2552021-08-13T19:13:23 <achow101> it's not good from a privacy perspective; same applies to using the same pubkey in segwit and non-segwit addresses
2562021-08-13T19:13:44 <sipa> i would discourage reusing the same keys for two different algorithms, but there are no known attacks against it per se
2572021-08-13T19:13:58 <Murch[m]> Ah yeah, good point. Reusing keys is essentially the same as address reuse
2582021-08-13T19:14:24 <michaelfolkson> Ok cool, another question... might a user want to migrate from a HD tree of non-Taproot pubkeys to a HD tree of Taproot pubkeys?
2592021-08-13T19:14:36 <sipa> what does that mean?
2602021-08-13T19:15:13 <michaelfolkson> You have a HD tree pre Taproot activation with ECDSA child pubkeys
2612021-08-13T19:15:37 <michaelfolkson> Then you want to transfer that over to a HD tree post Taproot activation with Schnorr child pubkeys
2622021-08-13T19:16:12 <michaelfolkson> In future for things like CHECKSIGADD support you'd want as many pubkeys as possible to be Schnorr right?
2632021-08-13T19:16:28 <sipa> that's irrelevant
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2652021-08-13T19:16:44 <sipa> you'd need to move them again to a CHECKSIGADD based svript
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2672021-08-13T19:17:17 <sipa> and they're strictly separate
2682021-08-13T19:17:32 <sipa> you *cannot* use ECDSA signatures in taproot outputs
2692021-08-13T19:17:33 <Murch[m]> What script you use to create `scriptPubKeys` is orthogonal from the keys
2702021-08-13T19:18:38 <michaelfolkson> Aren't the Schnorr pubkeys that you're using for the Taproot multisig address generated from the HD tree?
2712021-08-13T19:18:51 <achow101> michaelfolkson: you would use a different derivation path
2722021-08-13T19:19:28 <sipa> michaelfolkson: hmm, i don't know where to start; you're confusing very different layers i think
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2742021-08-13T19:19:48 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #22699: doc: add libboost-thread-dev to build-unix (master...2021-08-build-unix-boost-thread) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22699
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2762021-08-13T19:19:54 <sipa> in a taproot output, by definition all keys are schnorr keys
2772021-08-13T19:20:17 <sipa> and what keys were used on those funfs before that point is irrelevent
2782021-08-13T19:20:23 <sipa> *funds
2792021-08-13T19:20:45 <michaelfolkson> They are but they are generated somewhere. And they could be generated within a HD tree.... never mind I'll revisit if I'm confused
2802021-08-13T19:20:57 <Murch[m]> michaelfolkson: The HD Tree specifies your private keys. The public keys are strictly derived data from the private keys.
2812021-08-13T19:20:59 <sipa> yes, they can be generated by an HD tree
2822021-08-13T19:21:16 <Murch[m]> And `scriptPubKeys` are yet another level of derivation from the involved public keys
2832021-08-13T19:21:51 <sipa> but schnorr keys and ecdsa keys aren't fundamentally different
2842021-08-13T19:22:03 <michaelfolkson> Ok so my concept of a ECDSA HD tree and a Schnorr HD tree doesn't make any sense
2852021-08-13T19:22:08 <sipa> they use slightly different encoding, and ideally you use a separate tree branch for it
2862021-08-13T19:22:14 <sipa> but they're all just keys
2872021-08-13T19:22:26 <sipa> and if you use a key in a taproot output, it's by definition a schnorr key
2882021-08-13T19:22:43 <michaelfolkson> Ok thanks
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2902021-08-13T19:23:39 <michaelfolkson> Is there any future proofing that needs to be thought about for CHECKSIGADD, MuSig when thinking about this generatedescriptor RPC? I'm assuming not from the above
2912021-08-13T19:24:04 <sipa> not as long as generatedescriptor doesn't use any of those
2922021-08-13T19:24:07 <achow101> michaelfolkson: we won't generate such descriptors. they involve more than one party, we can't automatically generate them
2932021-08-13T19:25:25 <achow101> I intend for generatedescriptor to be solely for single key descriptors, either to rotate keys, or to add a new single key descriptor
2942021-08-13T19:25:41 <michaelfolkson> Ok so the generatedescriptor is just a one off design/code challenge because we haven't previously created descriptors before... (at least for Taproot)...
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2962021-08-13T19:25:48 <achow101> yes
2972021-08-13T19:26:25 <michaelfolkson> Ok cool, thanks
2982021-08-13T19:27:06 <achow101> anything else to discuss?
2992021-08-13T19:27:26 <michaelfolkson> Did you work on alternative approaches to the one who did in the Twitch stream?
3002021-08-13T19:27:35 <achow101> no
3012021-08-13T19:27:44 <michaelfolkson> You're happy with that one?
3022021-08-13T19:27:47 <achow101> no
3032021-08-13T19:27:54 <achow101> just busy with other stuff
3042021-08-13T19:28:02 <michaelfolkson> Fair enough :)
3052021-08-13T19:28:09 <michaelfolkson> Ok that's all from me
3062021-08-13T19:28:48 <achow101> anyone else have anything to discuss?
3072021-08-13T19:29:34 <achow101> #endmeeting
3082021-08-13T19:29:34 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
3092021-08-13T19:29:34 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Fri Aug 13 19:29:34 2021 UTC.
3102021-08-13T19:29:34 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-08-13-19.00.moin.txt
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3152021-08-13T19:43:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #22700: builder-keys: Add dongcarl (master...2021-08-add-dongcarl-builder) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22700
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3202021-08-13T20:38:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] martinus opened pull request #22702: Add allocator for node based containers (master...2019-08-bulkpoolallocator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22702
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3252021-08-13T20:59:32 <jamesob> martinus: benching now
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3322021-08-13T21:19:30 <martinus_> great, thanks!
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