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  4 2021-08-26T01:04:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e08770bed187...f0461314815e
  5 2021-08-26T01:04:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0d9fdd3 aitorjs: test, doc: refer to the correct variable names in p2p_invalid_tx.py
  6 2021-08-26T01:04:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f046131 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22797: test, doc: refer to the correct variable name...
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  8 2021-08-26T01:04:44  <fanquake> achow101: just the boost change, and the backports PR
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 10 2021-08-26T01:04:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22797: test, doc: refer to the correct variable names in p2p_invalid_tx.py (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22797
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 12 2021-08-26T01:05:02  <fanquake> Want to get those in today / tomorrow so we can get rc3 out
 13 2021-08-26T01:05:42  <achow101> which boost change?
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 15 2021-08-26T01:06:03  <fanquake> #22713
 16 2021-08-26T01:06:05  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22713 | Fix build with Boost 1.77.0 by sizeofvoid · Pull Request #22713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 17 2021-08-26T01:07:56  <achow101> there seems to be some discussion about i2p issues(? not really following it), are we intending to deal with that for 22.0?
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 20 2021-08-26T01:10:45  <fanquake> I'm also not really following it. Will have to look at any PRs / issues today. However I'm also not super concerned if i2p support isn't perfect at release.
 21 2021-08-26T01:10:53  <fanquake> There's been a long time to get any problems solved, and the last thing we want to be doing is making more last minute changes to networking code.
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 30 2021-08-26T02:48:05  <kalle> Is it possible to set up #bitcoin-dev channel somehow? Would like to discuss BIP process and that channel would've probably been ideal, as it's not a core thing and #bitcoin is not focused on development.
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 32 2021-08-26T02:49:11  <sipa> the channel aparently exists, but is invite only
 33 2021-08-26T02:49:17  <sipa> i don't know how runs it
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 36 2021-08-26T02:57:39  <kalle> Ahh, that's why I couldn't join it
 37 2021-08-26T03:11:58  <midnight> This place has a namespace which project contacts can enforce.. so if you want it, it can be grabbed.
 38 2021-08-26T03:14:03  <midnight> I think the idea was that #bitcoin-dev was killed thanks to rando jgarzik, so I guess they assumed it was toxic-- so they just put +f #bitcoin on it.
 39 2021-08-26T03:14:38  <midnight> (i.e. there's nothing going on in there)
 40 2021-08-26T03:15:19  <midnight> In the prior network I believe -bips- discussion had its own channels.
 41 2021-08-26T03:16:10  <midnight> Obv. whatever you want to happen will just happen. Rub the lamp, genie pops out, presto.
 42 2021-08-26T03:36:28  <Yihen> is there someone focuse on miniscript?
 43 2021-08-26T03:36:57  <Yihen> is it a new script for bitcoin?
 44 2021-08-26T03:37:52  <Yihen> does it need to compile to bitcoin OP_CODE script?
 45 2021-08-26T03:44:56  <sipa> see http://bitcoin.sipa.be/miniscript
 46 2021-08-26T03:52:38  <Yihen> yeah, I have read it yeasterday. but  I don't know how to use it? I see you have developed a compiier for miniscript written by c++. In my opinion, it is compile ploicy to miniscript. @sipa
 47 2021-08-26T03:53:39  <Yihen> can i test it with daemon? if yes, can you give me some guide? thanks a lot.
 48 2021-08-26T03:53:59  <Yihen> daemon ---> bitcoin daemon
 49 2021-08-26T03:54:32  <sipa> there are several implementations in various stages of development, but it's best to treat it as a research project currently
 50 2021-08-26T03:54:47  <sipa> it is not implemented in bitcoin core
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 53 2021-08-26T04:00:50  <Yihen> The script system is the engine of Bitcoin transactions, and I am very interested in miniscript.
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 87 2021-08-26T05:59:14  <kalle> midnight: I don't think there was a bips channel, and I feel like a non-core-focused dev channel would be nice to have, at least. Whoever the genie is, I propose we try restoring #bitcoin-dev. :)
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 90 2021-08-26T06:11:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f0461314815e...84be9a89c1a4
 91 2021-08-26T06:11:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa2547f MarcoFalke: fuzz: Avoid timeout in blockfilter fuzz target
 92 2021-08-26T06:11:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 84be9a8 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22755: fuzz: Avoid timeout in blockfilter fuzz targe...
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 95 2021-08-26T06:11:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22755: fuzz: Avoid timeout in blockfilter fuzz target (master...2108-fuzzBlockfilter) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22755
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112 2021-08-26T08:03:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/84be9a89c1a4...cea38b491f6a
113 2021-08-26T08:03:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aa5e7c9 Kiminuo: Fix typo in bitcoin-cli.cpp
114 2021-08-26T08:03:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 25de4e7 Kiminuo: Use `context.args` in `CWallet::Create` instead of `gArgs`.
115 2021-08-26T08:03:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c3c2132 Kiminuo: Use `context.args` in `src/wallet/load.cpp`.
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118 2021-08-26T08:03:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22183: Remove `gArgs` from `wallet.h` and `wallet.cpp` (master...feature/2021-06-07-wallet-n-gArgs-min) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22183
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121 2021-08-26T08:06:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cea38b491f6a...718d9f2f7727
122 2021-08-26T08:06:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0eca5eb Sebastian Falbesoner: contrib: refactor: introduce bitcoin-cli RPC call helper in getcoins.py
123 2021-08-26T08:06:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8c203cf Sebastian Falbesoner: contrib: catch bitcoin-cli RPC call errors in getcoins.py
124 2021-08-26T08:06:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 42dbd90 Sebastian Falbesoner: contrib: return non-zero status if getcoins.py errors
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127 2021-08-26T08:06:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22660: contrib: catch bitcoin-cli RPC call errors in getcoins.py (master...202107-script-signet_getcoins_catch_rpc_errors) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22660
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133 2021-08-26T08:21:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master acb7aad Rafael Sadowski: Fix build with Boost 1.77.0
134 2021-08-26T08:21:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3a62b8b fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22713: Fix build with Boost 1.77.0
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137 2021-08-26T08:21:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22713: Fix build with Boost 1.77.0 (master...boost-1770) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22713
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145 2021-08-26T09:13:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3a62b8b77e7b...0492b56e38c2
146 2021-08-26T09:13:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 646b388 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: refactor: use named args for block_submit in feature_nulldummy.py
147 2021-08-26T09:13:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7720d4f Sebastian Falbesoner: test: fix failure in feature_nulldummy.py on single-core machines
148 2021-08-26T09:13:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0492b56 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22738: test: fix failure in feature_nulldummy.py on ...
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151 2021-08-26T09:13:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22738: test: fix failure in feature_nulldummy.py on single-core machines (master...202108-test-fix_nulldummy_test_on_singlecore) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22738
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167 2021-08-26T10:40:06  <laanwj> is it time to do 22.0rc3 soon maybe
168 2021-08-26T10:43:37  <fanquake> laanwj: yea. Need the Boost fix added to #22629,  then I think we should just about cut an rc3
169 2021-08-26T10:43:39  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22629 | [22.x] rc3 backports by hebasto · Pull Request #22629 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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171 2021-08-26T10:45:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0492b56e38c2...7740ebcb0230
172 2021-08-26T10:45:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bebcf78 Jon Atack: Update i2p.md and tor.md regarding -onlynet config option
173 2021-08-26T10:45:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b87a9c4 Jon Atack: Improve doc/i2p.md regarding I2P router options/versions
174 2021-08-26T10:45:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0175977 Jon Atack: Add I2P network SetReachable/IsReachable unit test assertions
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177 2021-08-26T10:45:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22648: doc, test: improve i2p/tor docs and i2p reachable unit tests (master...i2p-doc-updates-august-2021) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22648
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179 2021-08-26T10:45:54  <laanwj> that's one of the PRs jonatack still wants to add to #22629 ^^
180 2021-08-26T10:45:58  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22629 | [22.x] rc3 backports by hebasto · Pull Request #22629 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
181 2021-08-26T10:46:32  <laanwj> i'm still too confused about onlynet logic to review #22651
182 2021-08-26T10:46:35  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22651 | tor: respect non-onion -onlynet= for outgoing Tor connections by vasild · Pull Request #22651 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
183 2021-08-26T10:47:05  <fanquake> my understanding was that 22648 was only mergable if the other PR was also merged
184 2021-08-26T10:47:26  <laanwj> oh no
185 2021-08-26T10:47:36  <fanquake> confusing I know, as it should have just been based on top of it if that was the case
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187 2021-08-26T10:48:41  <fanquake> Also why I wasn't overly concerned if either didn't make it into rc3, either as part of the current backport PR (which is getting large), or at all.
188 2021-08-26T10:48:46  <laanwj> don't know if it was a good idea to couple it to that, the rest of the documentation changes looked sane
189 2021-08-26T10:48:48  <wired> t is safe to say that the "Block Chain" is the "longest Proof-of-Work chain"?
190 2021-08-26T10:49:06  <laanwj> i won't say anything about onlynet, i really don't know about onlynet
191 2021-08-26T10:49:54  <wired> or my article just call it "TimeChain"?
192 2021-08-26T10:50:02  <laanwj> wired: #bitcoin please
193 2021-08-26T10:50:13  <wired> banned from there for asking this
194 2021-08-26T10:50:17  <wired> so I asking here
195 2021-08-26T10:50:26  <wired> you develop the software don't you?
196 2021-08-26T10:50:26  <laanwj> then definitely don't repeat it here
197 2021-08-26T10:50:31  <fanquake> wired: well the same will happen here. Your questions are off topic
198 2021-08-26T10:50:41  <wired> can you talk to me about the "block chain" or "TimeChain"
199 2021-08-26T10:50:43  <wired> ?
200 2021-08-26T10:50:45  <laanwj> this is the development channel not bitcoin 101 channels
201 2021-08-26T10:50:47  <laanwj> no
202 2021-08-26T10:51:17  <wired> ohh yo you developing for who really? for the community or for Blockstream? no offense
203 2021-08-26T10:52:21  <wired> I asking about "block chain" "timechain" and the "longest Proof-of-Work chain" and this is how you react, interesting
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205 2021-08-26T10:52:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] klementtan opened pull request #22804: validation: GuessVerificationProgress returns 0 when no blocks downloaded (master...verification_progress_fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22804
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208 2021-08-26T10:52:51  <wired> so you're a Bitcoin developer?
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212 2021-08-26T10:56:46  <laanwj> I think I'm starting to get #22647 and #22651, so it ends up with an onion proxy (despite not being specifiec explicitly) because of -listenonion, then because of that connecting to onions despite -onlynet, which should rule out connecting to networks not specified?
213 2021-08-26T10:56:47  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22647 | If both options "onion" and "proxy" are unset, no outbound Onion connections should be made · Issue #22647 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
214 2021-08-26T10:56:49  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22651 | tor: respect non-onion -onlynet= for outgoing Tor connections by vasild · Pull Request #22651 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
215 2021-08-26T10:58:03  <laanwj> after all, onlynet specifies where outgoing connections should be made
216 2021-08-26T10:59:30  <laanwj> but yes, the current backport PR is getting really large
217 2021-08-26T11:01:33  <laanwj> though every individual backported PR in the set is fairly small
218 2021-08-26T11:01:47  <laanwj> but it would be good to do a release some time
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220 2021-08-26T11:05:04  <fanquake> Yes, I think rc3 cut this week
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223 2021-08-26T11:23:53  <laanwj> I don't know if I'm making sense https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22648/files#r696535966
224 2021-08-26T11:24:15  <laanwj> in any case, yes, no need to make any rushed change here for rc3
225 2021-08-26T11:27:38  <fanquake> laanwj: I'll take a look tomorrow for you
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227 2021-08-26T11:30:27  <laanwj> fanquake: thank you!
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229 2021-08-26T11:31:30  <laanwj> I think we should properly think through what we want onlynet to do and implement (and test) that
230 2021-08-26T11:32:07  <fanquake> I think there is a lot of scope to reduce the options there, and potentially the features we support. It seems to be very getting very convoluted / non-intuitive.
231 2021-08-26T11:32:10  <laanwj> and what makes sense to users-not do for sake of expediency what is easiest to implement
232 2021-08-26T11:32:38  <laanwj> right, deprecating some things completely might be an option too
233 2021-08-26T11:34:06  <laanwj> there's user privacy at stake here it shouldn't be some dangerous maze of options
234 2021-08-26T11:34:08  <fanquake> I'd be interested to know if / why some users might be using such networking setups. This also seems like something better solved (or at least moving that way) outside bitcoind, vs additional feature creep  and back-compat / option complexity.
235 2021-08-26T11:35:12  <fanquake> Having support for all of this built is ok, as long as we're not just giving foot-guns, or some sort of false sense of security to users who badly configure things.
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237 2021-08-26T11:53:50  <hebasto> all of prs labeled "Needs backport (22.x)" have been processed
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241 2021-08-26T12:00:01  <laanwj> hebasto: great1
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245 2021-08-26T12:18:01  <jonatack> was afk. it would be nice for https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22648/commits/b87a9c4d to be backported into 22.0.
246 2021-08-26T12:18:24  <jonatack> doc regarding  I2P router options/versions
247 2021-08-26T12:18:48  <jonatack> so as to not need to spend another half year pointing people to it
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249 2021-08-26T12:26:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 16 commits to 22.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d3bd5410f64e...4a25e39624e2
250 2021-08-26T12:26:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x e9d30fb Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Run fuzzer task for the master branch only
251 2021-08-26T12:26:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x 57fce06 Anthony Towns: consensus/params: simplify ValidDeployment check to avoid gcc warning
252 2021-08-26T12:26:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x e9b4487 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Fix regression in "Encrypt Wallet" menu item
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255 2021-08-26T12:26:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22629: [22.x] rc3 backports (22.x...210805-22.0-backport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22629
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257 2021-08-26T12:28:16  <hebasto> laanwj: just checked #22667, and it does not require update, and it is actually rtm
258 2021-08-26T12:28:18  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22667 | [22.x] qt: Pre-rc3 translations update by hebasto · Pull Request #22667 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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260 2021-08-26T12:29:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 22.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4a25e39624e2...99cd080db1ad
261 2021-08-26T12:29:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x aa254a0 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Pre-rc3 translations update
262 2021-08-26T12:29:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x 99cd080 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22667: [22.x] qt: Pre-rc3 translations update
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264 2021-08-26T12:33:18  <jonatack> fanquake: i hear from many users, can direct them to you if you're interested, let me know how best you'd like them to reach you
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266 2021-08-26T12:35:25  <laanwj> hebasto: thanks for confirming
267 2021-08-26T12:36:59  <fanquake> jonatack: why would they need to reach out to me directly? If there are problems, users should either be opening an issue on GH, and commenting on an existing one. Keeping discussing in DMs, or one-on-one interactions is not useful for ascertaining the scope of an issue, or creating any sort of public documentation.
268 2021-08-26T12:37:29  <fanquake> My understand is that there are only a handful of i2p users in any case. There can’t be too many, as it’s still an experimental, unreleased feature
269 2021-08-26T12:37:58  <laanwj> jonatack: it would have been nice to have that PR in rc3, but it's too bad it's coupled to the onlynet change, I'm not sure about backporting it partially
270 2021-08-26T12:38:17  <jonatack> fanquake: i'm doing what i can to help them. that's the only reason for the docs. there are maybe ~30 users who have set up I2P with bitcoin, but i've heard from many of them.
271 2021-08-26T12:38:26  <laanwj> for now, it makes most sense to check the documentation on master with regard to i2p i guess
272 2021-08-26T12:39:24  <jonatack> yes, my suggestion at this point was the commit about i2p routers. that's the most frequent question. along with onlynet.
273 2021-08-26T12:39:25  <laanwj> but there's no harm in cherry-picking that PR either
274 2021-08-26T12:39:36  <jonatack> (they are separate commits)
275 2021-08-26T12:39:38  <laanwj> s/PR/commit
276 2021-08-26T12:39:45  <jonatack> oh ok
277 2021-08-26T12:39:52  <laanwj> I don't think I agree with the onlynet fix
278 2021-08-26T12:41:34  <fanquake> jonatack: I still don’t understand how having them reach out to me directly would be any use
279 2021-08-26T12:43:47  <sipa> fanquake: i suspect jonatack means this as a means to show you people care aboit this
280 2021-08-26T12:44:22  <laanwj> let's see if manual page generation behaves any more sane now
281 2021-08-26T12:44:23  <jonatack> fanquake: that was in reply to "I'd be interested to know if / why some users might be using such networking setups" so you can discuss with them, if you like
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283 2021-08-26T12:44:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 22.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/99cd080db1ad...f95b655ba9ab
284 2021-08-26T12:44:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x 59d4afc W. J. van der Laan: build: Bump version to 22.0rc3
285 2021-08-26T12:44:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x f95b655 Jon Atack: Improve doc/i2p.md regarding I2P router options/versions
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287 2021-08-26T12:46:16  <fanquake> jonatack: sure. If users want to discuss that, I’m happy for them to get in touch with me.
288 2021-08-26T12:46:53  <jonatack> basically, people are looking for privacy and there's some confusion out there around the benefits and drawbacks of onlynet=onion. i'm seeing people starting with i2p with onlynet=i2p by default too.
289 2021-08-26T12:48:07  <laanwj> ok in manual pages it now shows v22.0.0rc3 instead of v22.0rc2, hyphens still get nixed
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291 2021-08-26T12:50:50  <prayank> If we had wiki enabled in this repository, it could be used for privacy related docs. There is scope for lot of improvement but you need lot of patience to get any privacy related PR get merged (sometimes years).
292 2021-08-26T12:52:51  <laanwj> the main problem (as I see it) is that how these options interact is incredibly complex, as well as under-tested in the functional tests, which makes reviewing changes to them scary
293 2021-08-26T12:53:18  <laanwj> someone may be relying on some specific edge-case which then changes
294 2021-08-26T12:53:21  <jonatack> (onlynet=onion seems overused from what i can tell. maybe in a few months onlynet=onion + onlynet=i2p could become interesting)
295 2021-08-26T12:53:50  <jonatack> laanwj: agree
296 2021-08-26T12:54:00  <laanwj> onlynet=onion is nice if you want to avoid using exit relays on tor
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298 2021-08-26T12:56:52  <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #403: refactor: Make paths to update Encryption and HD wallet statuses simpler (master...210811-hd) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/403
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300 2021-08-26T12:56:57  <laanwj> i2p somewhat luckily doesn't have those
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302 2021-08-26T12:57:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 22.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f95b655ba9ab...86de56776aae
303 2021-08-26T12:57:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x c1c79f4 W. J. van der Laan: doc: Stop nixing `-` in manual pages
304 2021-08-26T12:57:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x 86de567 W. J. van der Laan: doc: Manual pages update for rc3
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307 2021-08-26T12:57:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7740ebcb0230...774a4f517cf6
308 2021-08-26T12:57:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7d0d4c0 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Add WalletFrame::currentWalletSet signal
309 2021-08-26T12:57:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 37dcf16 Hennadii Stepanov: qt, refactor: Emit WalletView::encryptionStatusChanged signal directly
310 2021-08-26T12:57:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fcdc8b0 Hennadii Stepanov: qt, refactor: Drop redundant signalling in WalletView::setWalletModel
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312 2021-08-26T12:59:27  <laanwj> i think we're ready for tagging rc3
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315 2021-08-26T13:03:02  <hebasto> ^ agree
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317 2021-08-26T13:05:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed tag v22.0rc3: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v22.0rc3
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319 2021-08-26T13:05:42  <laanwj> ^^
320 2021-08-26T13:07:39  <hebasto> \o/
321 2021-08-26T13:10:01  <jonatack> prayank: not sure if you meant something else, but there is a wiki at https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki
322 2021-08-26T13:11:18  <laanwj> that said, it's probably not the best place for privacy advice for end users
323 2021-08-26T13:12:19  <laanwj> although it can be convenient to edit documents (like release notes) there temporarily
324 2021-08-26T13:16:08  <prayank> jonatack: Thanks for the link. I was about to ask if we could add docs section here for tor and i2p. Will also need write access for people who want to contribute. But laanwj doesn't think it's the best place to do it. Problem is right now people get privacy advice on Twitter, Reddit, Telegram, Stackexchange etc. Users with different levels of technical expertise.
325 2021-08-26T13:19:14  <michaelfolkson> I think StackExchange is a good place for general privacy guidance. The Core docs document the Core software and how to use it, anything where there are differing perspectives and trade-offs to be discussed should probably be elsewhere
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327 2021-08-26T13:21:17  <jonatack> that's true, the wiki is being used for repo project management.  an article on your personal blog or website or (good point) on BitcoinStackExchange seems good, or https://en.bitcoin.it (still maintained?)
328 2021-08-26T13:22:14  <laanwj> general privacy advice about using bitcoin spans much further than just using an overlay network, the most privacy-relevant in that regard is what you use to broadcast transactions
329 2021-08-26T13:23:39  <michaelfolkson> jonatack: Oh yeah :facepalm: I completely forgot about belcher's awesome privacy wiki. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy
330 2021-08-26T13:23:52  <laanwj> I think if you never broadcast your own transactions from your own node, how you connect is hardly privacy-sensitive at all, and overlay networks become more of a way of ensuring different connectivity to mitigate eclipse attacks
331 2021-08-26T13:25:04  <michaelfolkson> jonatack: It might need updating for a few things since 2019 but this is most exhaustive resource on privacy I think
332 2021-08-26T13:25:09  <jonatack> michaelfolkson: right! and last edited on 21 July 2021
333 2021-08-26T13:25:19  <laanwj> (of course there are different perspectives, some people mean 'privacy' as in 'hiding that you're running a bitcoin node in the first place' which is... very difficult if impossible with overlay networks)
334 2021-08-26T13:26:29  <laanwj> sure, your IP won't trivially show up in node lists, the sheer amount of data as well as timing patterns can give enough suspicion
335 2021-08-26T13:29:53  <laanwj> but it might be *enough* privacy for some cases, always hard to judge
336 2021-08-26T13:32:00  <prayank> Problem with Stackexchange and other places is you can write with more freedom and sometimes wrong things may not get noticed which in few years become a practice. Example: second paragraph in this comment by Greg Maxwell https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17491#issuecomment-705485718
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338 2021-08-26T13:34:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #22805: refactor: use CWallet const shared pointers in dump{privkey,wallet} (master...202108-refactor-const_correctness_for_further_dump_methods) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22805
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341 2021-08-26T13:36:16  <michaelfolkson> prayank: No panacea (every source has upsides and downsides) but maintaining a version of that very long (but good) privacy wiki in the Core docs is not a road we want to go down.
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343 2021-08-26T13:37:06  <muhblockchain> git (not github) sounds for me like the perfect place to organize any documents (for devs as well as users)
344 2021-08-26T13:37:57  <michaelfolkson> prayank: Also I think belcher takes ownership of this privacy wiki as he wrote most of it in a way that he doesn't on some other non-privacy topics. Not many people know more about privacy than Chris
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348 2021-08-26T14:04:22  <prayank> michaelfolkson: Agree that privacy wiki has lot of interesting things. I respect Chris Belcher for his contributions in improving Bitcoin Privacy. The docs I was talky about were only for Bitcoin Core. Mainly Tor, i2p, wallet etc. This privacy wiki also needs some updates: Dandelion should be removed, i2p needs to be added, lot of things related to Tor (you can write few pages on just `onlynet`). Anyways it's just a suggestion.
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350 2021-08-26T14:20:56  <laanwj> from a more holistic point of view about "bitcoin privacy" i don't think something like onlynet contributes much
351 2021-08-26T14:21:39  <laanwj> my initial point was to make the option behave sensibly, instead of writing diatribes about all its exceptions and strange cases
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353 2021-08-26T14:35:59  <prayank> There are lot of users who care about privacy and interested to know about trade-offs involved in using Tor with i2p and other combinations which needs `onlynet`
354 2021-08-26T14:38:26  <laanwj> the way to make sure all outgoing connections go through a proxy has always been -proxy, this intentionally covers all networks
355 2021-08-26T14:38:29  <prayank> Will they read right now? Maybe this https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/107060/tor-and-i2p-tradeoffs-in-bitcoin-core/ which I wrote based on some comments in different pull requests, asking some people on reddit, my own research etc.
356 2021-08-26T14:38:51  <prayank> And I can't assure if everything mentioned is correct
357 2021-08-26T14:39:53  <laanwj> the other thing to worry about is incoming connections, you either want to stop listening or P2P make sure you only listen on localhost (for a Tor hidden service)
358 2021-08-26T14:39:59  <laanwj> that's it-
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360 2021-08-26T14:42:14  <jonatack> good points
361 2021-08-26T14:42:17  <laanwj> that alone should be enough to run networking entirely through the proxy, if not, it's a serious bug
362 2021-08-26T14:44:47  <laanwj> prayank: thanks for writing something up
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364 2021-08-26T14:48:54  <prayank> TBH I am not using i2p right now for mainnet. But experimenting a lot on testnet. There was a vulnerability in Tails long back and using two different complex things can always result in weird things which remain unnoticed for a long time. But it's good users have two options now:  Tor and i2p
365 2021-08-26T14:49:07  <prayank> Tails context: https://tor.stackexchange.com/a/6931/
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376 2021-08-26T15:38:28  <michaelfolkson> prayank: Yeah comparing Tor and I2P is a good question. I don't know anything about I2P https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/107060/tor-and-i2p-tradeoffs-in-bitcoin-core/
377 2021-08-26T15:39:31  <michaelfolkson> (as a protocol)
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380 2021-08-26T15:41:38  <michaelfolkson> I2P is more robust and reliable (apparently) than Tor
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389 2021-08-26T16:26:38  <michaelfolkson> MarcoFalke: Re "I think long term there is no prospect that BIP 125 will be adhered to exactly" on #22665 why do you say that? Because you think BIP 125 is inferior to current Core code, because it would be too difficult to change in Core, because other implementations haven't implemented it etc?
390 2021-08-26T16:26:41  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22665 | policy/rbf: dont return "incorrect" replaceability status by darosior · Pull Request #22665 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
391 2021-08-26T16:27:25  <sipa> michaelfolkson: i assume that MarcoFalke means that at some point just everything will be replaceable
392 2021-08-26T16:28:05  <sipa> as BIP125/opt-in RBF in general are just gentlemen's agreements that are probably untenable in a rational market long-term
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394 2021-08-26T16:31:16  <michaelfolkson> sipa: ariard isn't sure that will land https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22698#issuecomment-899886907 but MarcoFalke thinks it definitely will eventually?
395 2021-08-26T16:38:25  <sipa> michaelfolkson: yes, sometimes people have different opinions about what will happen in the future
396 2021-08-26T16:38:58  <michaelfolkson> sipa: Sure :) Just checking I understood the perspectives
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401 2021-08-26T16:56:47  <achow101> what about 0.21.2 final? Seems like there hasn't been any issues (although that may be due to no one testing?)
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404 2021-08-26T17:06:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kristapsk opened pull request #22807: RPC: Add universal options argument to listtransactions (master...listtransactions-options) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22807
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406 2021-08-26T17:13:38  <laanwj> achow101: sgtm
407 2021-08-26T17:22:43  <hebasto> achow101: laanwj: it seems https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22713 is required to be backported in 0.21
408 2021-08-26T17:24:45  <achow101> I guess there's also #22784
409 2021-08-26T17:24:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22784 | combinerawtransaction fails to properly combine transactions containing taproot inputs · Issue #22784 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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412 2021-08-26T17:32:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #22808: [0.21] 0.21.2rc2 backports (0.21...210826-0.21-backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22808
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416 2021-08-26T17:34:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22809: test: Check that non-signaling BIP125 tx can be replaced via parent (master...2108-testTxReplace) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22809
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423 2021-08-26T18:12:56  <prayank> Wrote a post about ONLYNET: https://prayank23.github.io/camouflage//blog/onlynet/
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428 2021-08-26T19:00:08  <laanwj> #startmeeting
429 2021-08-26T19:00:09  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 26 19:00:08 2021 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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431 2021-08-26T19:00:16  <kvaciral[m]> hi
432 2021-08-26T19:00:18  <larryruane> hi
433 2021-08-26T19:00:19  <gene> hi
434 2021-08-26T19:00:30  <hebasto> hi
435 2021-08-26T19:00:38  <ariard__> hi
436 2021-08-26T19:00:44  <jonatack> hi
437 2021-08-26T19:00:52  <harding> hi
438 2021-08-26T19:00:53  <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
439 2021-08-26T19:00:55  <laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
440 2021-08-26T19:01:01  <michaelfolkson> hi
441 2021-08-26T19:01:12  <laanwj> no topics have been proposed using #proposedmeetingtopic this week
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443 2021-08-26T19:01:21  <achow101> hi
444 2021-08-26T19:01:24  <laanwj> any last minute topic proposals?
445 2021-08-26T19:01:46  <laanwj> PSA: 22.0rc3 has been tagged today, please start your guix builders
446 2021-08-26T19:02:10  <jarolrod> hi
447 2021-08-26T19:02:59  <laanwj> a new 0.21.2 rc is also coming soon
448 2021-08-26T19:03:25  <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
449 2021-08-26T19:03:26  <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
450 2021-08-26T19:03:29  <jarolrod> time to bring out old reliable: gitian
451 2021-08-26T19:03:56  <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 6 blockers, 2 chasing concept ACK currently
452 2021-08-26T19:04:36  <ariard__> jamesob: happy to re-review #21526 tonight if you're around
453 2021-08-26T19:04:36  <laanwj> jarolrod: right, branch <=0.21 will keep using gitian for builds
454 2021-08-26T19:04:39  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21526 | validation: UpdateTip/CheckBlockIndex assumeutxo support by jamesob · Pull Request #21526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
455 2021-08-26T19:06:22  <laanwj> anything to add/remove or that is almost ready for merge?
456 2021-08-26T19:07:25  <laanwj> anything else to discuss? seems a short meeting today
457 2021-08-26T19:07:30  <jonatack> don't hesitate to have a look at #22702 everyone, looks interesting, am running a node built with it
458 2021-08-26T19:07:32  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22702 | [WIP] Add allocator for node based containers by martinus · Pull Request #22702 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
459 2021-08-26T19:07:56  <laanwj> jonatack: should we add it to high prio?
460 2021-08-26T19:08:46  <jonatack> laanwj: i don't know but wanted to mention it
461 2021-08-26T19:09:24  <michaelfolkson> Very cool review of Erlay from 0xB10C https://github.com/naumenkogs/txrelaysim/issues/8#issuecomment-903255752
462 2021-08-26T19:09:51  <laanwj> jonatack: as it's still WIP, it probably should be on there, but I'll take a look
463 2021-08-26T19:09:57  <laanwj> michaelfolkson: great!
464 2021-08-26T19:11:27  <laanwj> #endmeeting
465 2021-08-26T19:11:27  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
466 2021-08-26T19:11:27  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 26 19:11:27 2021 UTC.
467 2021-08-26T19:11:27  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-08-26-19.00.moin.txt
468 2021-08-26T19:11:58  <jonatack> yes, it was WIP but the remaining hurdles seem to have been solved
469 2021-08-26T19:12:42  <ariard__> michaelfolkson: re bip125, well i'm still aiming to propose full-rbf for 0.24, though there is no guarantee it will land, still have to reach out to more historical opponents to have them express an opinion
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472 2021-08-26T19:14:00  <ariard__> michaelfolkson: note, there is also a discussion between matt and i on why it might be preferable to depracte replace-by-fee towards replace-by-feerate here :https://lightningdevkit.slack.com/archives/CTBLT3CAU/p1625786787422100
473 2021-08-26T19:15:47  <michaelfolkson> ariard__: Cool, thanks. I'm guessing as you've described it as a CVE for Lightning you have a strong preference for it to be changed in the meantime
474 2021-08-26T19:16:41  <michaelfolkson> ariard__: (to follow the BIP logic)
475 2021-08-26T19:17:36  <michaelfolkson> I'm just trying to understand whether we should really care about this or not
476 2021-08-26T19:19:40  <michaelfolkson> Others have said (and I agree) that it isn't a CVE for Core
477 2021-08-26T19:22:02  <michaelfolkson> Going forward I think we need to take the BIPs more seriously. Different world when the BIP was originally written
478 2021-08-26T19:23:42  <harding> michaelfolkson: I don't think anyone took BIP125 less than seriously when it was written.
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480 2021-08-26T19:25:33  <harding> I don't even know what "take the BIPs more seriously" means.
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482 2021-08-26T19:29:25  <michaelfolkson> harding: Right but Lightning didn't even exist. There wasn't these layer effect where something that seems minor on a lower level can be important for an upper level
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485 2021-08-26T19:36:27  <michaelfolkson> I guess if there are no policy BIPs ever again then it is less relevant. But I kinda think there should be. But the attitude of "the BIP gets overruled by whatever ended up in Core" shouldn't cut it in today's environment
486 2021-08-26T19:37:18  <michaelfolkson> That seems the least and perhaps the most Core can do to help Lightning with this fuzzy policy guarantees problem
487 2021-08-26T19:37:33  <harding> michaelfolkson: to nitpick a little, LN was first described several months before BIP125 was written, and there were two different types of payment channels available for use at that time (BlueMatt wrote the implementation of one; I was on the team that wrote a different implementation which had just gone into light production use).  Certainly second layer protocols are much more important today than they were back then, but it's not like
488 2021-08-26T19:37:34  <harding> people weren't thinking about them back then.
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490 2021-08-26T19:38:22  <michaelfolkson> Fair enough
491 2021-08-26T19:38:40  <prayank> Implementation of a BIP with some differences should be fine. Problem was not documenting these differences which was fixed in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21946
492 2021-08-26T19:39:00  <BlueMatt> If you're trying to imply, michaelfolkson, that somehow bitcoin core review process is "fine" with a bip text saying something different than the implementation, I dont think thats ever been the case. mistakes happen, things are missed in review, but, indeed, its always been a thing that if the bip text disagrees with the implementation one or both need to be fixed.
493 2021-08-26T19:39:01  <harding> michaelfolkson: of course what's in an implementation should overrule what's in a BIP.  BIPs are not laws, they're documentation.
494 2021-08-26T19:39:18  <harding> michaelfolkson: implementations can do whatever they want.
495 2021-08-26T19:39:28  <BlueMatt> which one depends on the situation, but I dont think anything here has changed in the past years, nor should it?
496 2021-08-26T19:41:12  <michaelfolkson> BlueMatt: I'm not trying to imply that. But now we're in a situation where there is a difference between the BIP and the code what should be done?
497 2021-08-26T19:41:36  <BlueMatt> we should look at the implementation, look at the BIP, decide which one makes more sense, and update the other one.
498 2021-08-26T19:42:20  <michaelfolkson> I totally agree ^. But that surely involves Lightning implementations as it is more important for Lightning as it is Core
499 2021-08-26T19:42:42  <sipa> FWIW, i disagree with changing the BIP - the number refers to the idea as it's written down, and changing it would only add confusion ("do you mean the old BIP125 approach or the new one?"); if we feel that this deserves a BIP in the first place, i think it'd need to be a new one
500 2021-08-26T19:42:56  <harding> (I don't really care, but I'm slightly against changing old BIPs, though I wouldn't mind adding a note to the bottom about the issue.)
501 2021-08-26T19:43:05  <BlueMatt> sure? And there's been some emails back and forth, though its not been a high priority for anyone, I believe.
502 2021-08-26T19:43:15  <BlueMatt> sipa: sure, i suppose thats a process question
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504 2021-08-26T19:43:43  <sipa> i don't have an opinion on whether the implementation should be changed, or the documentation (whether that's a BIP, or just a writeup of the policy)
505 2021-08-26T19:44:27  <sipa> just pointing out that the choice isn't changing the code or changing the BIP - there are other ways of changing the documentation that are less confusing
506 2021-08-26T19:44:55  <michaelfolkson> If Lightning implementations don't care that much then just leave it to what the Core mempool devs want to do which seems to be just stripping out references to the BIP
507 2021-08-26T19:45:23  <michaelfolkson> If Lightning implementations do really care then that should be factored in
508 2021-08-26T19:45:32  <BlueMatt> i believe lightning stuff *strongly* prefers as loose a mempool policy as possible :p
509 2021-08-26T19:45:52  <sipa> whatever happens, the implemented policy should be well-documented
510 2021-08-26T19:45:56  <michaelfolkson> That's why I asked ariard about how strong his preference was for updating policy to match the BIP
511 2021-08-26T19:46:08  <harding> Differing mempool policies was actually anticipated, BIP125 says: "A Bitcoin Wiki page has been created to help wallet authors track deployed mempool policies relating to transaction replacement."  which links to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_replacement
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514 2021-08-26T19:52:17  <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #384: Add copy IP/Netmask action for banned peer (master...copy-subnet) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/384
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517 2021-08-26T19:52:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/774a4f517cf6...b8d45a3c2015
518 2021-08-26T19:52:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ab1461d Shashwat: qt: Add copy IP/Netmask action for banned peer
519 2021-08-26T19:52:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b8d45a3 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#384: Add copy IP/Netmask action for banned peer
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537 2021-08-26T21:17:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #22276:  gui: update text to eliminate safety hazards (0.21...0.21) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22276
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543 2021-08-26T21:35:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #22810: qt: Pre-0.21.2rc2 translations update (0.21...210826-0.21-tr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22810
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554 2021-08-26T22:34:58  <ariard__> michaelfolkson: i think it's preferable to well-document in the core code the divergences to the spec, instead of rewritting a new bip matching the code
555 2021-08-26T22:35:10  <ariard__> and maybe add a small bottom note for the ln devs who aren't fluent in cpp
556 2021-08-26T22:35:37  <ariard__> w.r.t to bip vs code, i think it's ultimately a case-by-case situation, weighting the implications
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569 2021-08-26T23:08:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #22811: build: Fix depends build system when working with subtargets (master...210826-subtarget) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22811
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580 2021-08-26T23:53:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b8d45a3c2015...adccbb380b2e
581 2021-08-26T23:53:55  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf7e48 MarcoFalke: Set regtest.BIP65Height = 111 to speed up tests
582 2021-08-26T23:53:55  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master adccbb3 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#21862: test: Set regtest.BIP65Height = 111 to speed ...
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585 2021-08-26T23:54:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21862: test: Set regtest.BIP65Height = 111 to speed up tests (master...2105-testFasterBip65) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21862
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