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  4 2021-09-14T00:36:31  <Guest25> hi, im on Mac attempting to verify 22.0. is the walkthrough information correct? I'm getting Primary key fingerprint: 74E2 DEF5 D772 60B9 8BC1  9438 099B AD16 3C70 FBFA
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  8 2021-09-14T00:50:38  <bitcoin-git> [gui] prayank23 opened pull request #421: Remove proxy checkboxes from options (master...proxy-checkboxes) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/421
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 15 2021-09-14T03:25:59  <harding> Re: verification instructions, I just opened a PR to temporarily hide them until they can be updated.  If I can get a couple approach ACKs from established contributors in the next hour or two, I'll merge tonight.  https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/796
 16 2021-09-14T03:27:27  <harding> FWIW, I don't know when I'll have time to update the instructions.  I'm happy to do the GNU/Linux instructions, but the Windows and Mac instructions are a PITA for me and my enthusiasm for supporting people who choose to use those systems is pretty low at the moment.
 17 2021-09-14T03:31:53  <sipa> harding: thanks for being on top of it, and can't blame you
 18 2021-09-14T03:32:55  <harding> sipa: well, if I was on top of it, I would've addressed this a month ago when the Guix building change was made.  :-)  But thanks for the concept ACK!
 19 2021-09-14T03:33:40  <prayank> harding: I can do for Windows if I know instructions for Linux. Not because I love Windows or want people to use it, but it's used by lot of people so maybe it helps few.
 20 2021-09-14T03:35:04  <harding> prayank: great, thank!  I'll give you ping when I have Linux instructions.
 21 2021-09-14T03:38:36  <prayank> Okay
 22 2021-09-14T03:39:10  <luke-jr> shouldn't the old instructions work better now?
 23 2021-09-14T03:40:01  <luke-jr> hmm, the file is missing the actual content for 22.0
 24 2021-09-14T03:40:10  <harding> luke-jr: what old instructions?
 25 2021-09-14T03:40:13  <luke-jr> is that intentional?
 26 2021-09-14T03:40:16  <luke-jr> the ones being hidden
 27 2021-09-14T03:41:03  <harding> luke-jr: for 0.21.1, they worked.  For 22.0, they don't work.  How can that be working better?
 28 2021-09-14T03:41:16  <luke-jr> they should work, but the file is wrong
 29 2021-09-14T03:41:37  <harding> luke-jr: yep, that sounds like not working to me.
 30 2021-09-14T03:41:49  <luke-jr> it's not the instructions that are the issue though
 31 2021-09-14T03:42:13  <luke-jr> https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-22.0/SHA256SUMS.asc is missing the content, it just has signatures only
 32 2021-09-14T03:42:39  <harding> luke-jr: yeah, ok, somebody moved the cheese.
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 34 2021-09-14T03:44:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jarolrod opened pull request #22966: doc: Improve documentation around the ACK statement (master...ack-documentation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22966
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 37 2021-09-14T03:59:06  <sipa> luke-jr: for better or worse, and intentionally or not, the build artefects now have a SHA256SUMS and .asc file, where the .asc file is a detached signature rather than clearsigned data. The instructions should explain how those artefacts can be verified
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 48 2021-09-14T07:07:29  <laanwj> a single clearsigned-file solution prohibited merging multiple independent signatures into one file, because it forces everyone to use the same signature algorithm (which is specified at the top, e.g. Hash: SHA512), whereas in this case they can simply be cat'ed
 49 2021-09-14T07:08:10  <laanwj> also detached signatures have some advantages with regard to security: everyone signs *the entire file*, there's no "outside the boundaries of the ======== area" where arbitrary information can be added
 50 2021-09-14T07:09:24  <laanwj> so yes, the change is intentional
 51 2021-09-14T07:12:04  <laanwj> we've combined all kinds of changes in the process in one go (with the gitian->guix build switch) to avoid repeated disruption
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 53 2021-09-14T07:17:47  <laanwj> of course, updating the documentation and verification instructions is still important, but it should be a one-time thing. I did have a note on verifying the binaries in the testing instructions here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22634
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 55 2021-09-14T07:25:07  <fanquake> In regards to other in-progress releases: we should get some binaries out for 0.20.2rc3. Have got a 5 gitian builders for that tag so far.
 56 2021-09-14T07:26:18  <fanquake> For 0.21.2. I think it's a question of whether we want to add the backports in #22858 (mentioned in #22720), and do an rc3?
 57 2021-09-14T07:26:19  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22858 | [0.21] Potential rc3 backports by fanquake · Pull Request #22858 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 58 2021-09-14T07:26:20  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22720 | v0.21.2 Testing · Issue #22720 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 59 2021-09-14T07:30:20  <lucaferr> What is required to submit taproot/P2TR transactions on testnet? I'm probably posting invalid data but getting rejects from neigbouring nodes. Does a particular node flag need to be enabled or anything else I may be missing?
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 63 2021-09-14T07:39:32  <_aj_> lucaferr: you need neighbouring nodes that have upgraded to support taproot; "bitcoin-cli getpeerinfo | grep subver" -> look for 0.21.1 or 0.21.99 or 22.0.0 or 22.99.0
 64 2021-09-14T07:39:55  <lucaferr> _aj_: ah, ok. thank you!
 65 2021-09-14T07:39:56  <_aj_> lucaferr: alternatively, use signet instead of testnet
 66 2021-09-14T07:40:44  <laanwj> i have trouble keeping track tbh we have to many releases in process at once
 67 2021-09-14T07:42:20  <laanwj> i'll look into uploading the binaries for 0.20.2rc3 (first need to build them, i don't think i have them)
 68 2021-09-14T07:49:01  <fanquake> laanwj: thanks. Yea it just happened that we ended up with 3 in parallel
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 73 2021-09-14T08:12:59  <laanwj> fanquake: thanks for keeping track of them anyhow :)
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 77 2021-09-14T08:30:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #22944: Update build-osx.md (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22944
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 85 2021-09-14T09:11:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7ecb309c4ed1...2b264971adcf
 86 2021-09-14T09:11:34  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dddca38 ShubhamPalriwala: test: use MiniWallet in mempool_limit.py
 87 2021-09-14T09:11:34  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d447ded ShubhamPalriwala: replace: self.nodes[0] with node
 88 2021-09-14T09:11:34  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 08634e8 ShubhamPalriwala: fix typos in logging messages
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 91 2021-09-14T09:11:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22543: test: Use MiniWallet in mempool_limit.py (master...diswallet-mempool_limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22543
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 96 2021-09-14T10:07:36  <meshcollider> Yeah, thank you fanquake, you're doing a great job!
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 98 2021-09-14T10:23:10  <bitcoin-git> [gui] prayank23 closed pull request #421: Remove proxy checkboxes from options (master...proxy-checkboxes) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/421
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102 2021-09-14T10:37:57  <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #418: fix bitcoin-qt app categorization on apple silicon (master...applesilicon-categorization) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/418
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105 2021-09-14T10:38:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2b264971adcf...b5ede2aa7f08
106 2021-09-14T10:38:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3765c48 Jarol Rodriguez: qt: fix bitcoin-qt app categorization on apple silicon
107 2021-09-14T10:38:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b5ede2a Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#418: fix bitcoin-qt app categorization on apple sil...
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114 2021-09-14T10:52:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #22970: doc: Update snap release process for new versioning scheme (master...2109-docSnapRel) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22970
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121 2021-09-14T11:22:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #22971: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0 (master...2021-09-relnot-0.22) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22971
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125 2021-09-14T11:27:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c88f43f W. J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0
126 2021-09-14T11:27:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 40a9037 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22971: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0
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129 2021-09-14T11:27:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22971: doc: Add historical release notes for 22.0 (master...2021-09-relnot-0.22) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22971
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141 2021-09-14T12:51:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/40a9037a1b5d...2161a058552a
142 2021-09-14T12:51:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5cc783f Jarol Rodriguez: qt: ensure translator comments end in full stop
143 2021-09-14T12:51:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2161a05 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#420: Ensure translator comments end in full stop
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146 2021-09-14T12:51:37  <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #420: Ensure translator comments end in full stop (master...translator-full-stop) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/420
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150 2021-09-14T13:06:33  <laanwj> doesn't look like v0.20.2rc3 has detached sigs yet? wasn't able to build codesigned mac+win
151 2021-09-14T13:18:25  <fanquake> Guess we need to ping achow101 and jonasschnelli
152 2021-09-14T13:19:03  <hebasto> achow101 already pushed signatures
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161 2021-09-14T14:08:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #22972: test: fix misleading fee unit in mempool_limit.py (master...202109-test-fix_confusing_fee_calculation_in_mempool_limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22972
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168 2021-09-14T15:16:48  <lucaferr> for schnorr signatures, how does libsecp256k1 deal with the zero k' case. I see some conditional moves which I cannot make sense of in the source code. Does it mean it will make a different random value to avoid the zero case?
169 2021-09-14T15:23:30  <sipa> lucaferr: yes, it replaces k=0 with k=1, but honestly - it doesn't actually need to
170 2021-09-14T15:23:47  <lucaferr> you mean the statistics of it?
171 2021-09-14T15:24:02  <sipa> at least with the BIP340 default nonce function, k=0 will +-never be reached
172 2021-09-14T15:24:17  <lucaferr> sipa: right, cheers, makes sense
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175 2021-09-14T15:56:26  <jonatack> laanwj: hebasto: just tried and wasn't able to to build codesigned mac+win for 0.20.2rc3 either
176 2021-09-14T15:57:28  <hebasto> jonatack: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-detached-sigs/tree/0.20 lacks macos signature from jonasschnelli
177 2021-09-14T15:57:44  <jonatack> hebasto: thanks!
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179 2021-09-14T15:59:27  <jonatack> (misread, sorry for noise)
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187 2021-09-14T16:31:51  <kpcyrd> hi! was the `0.` intentionally dropped in 0.21.1 -> 22.0?
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189 2021-09-14T16:32:37  <kpcyrd> (just double-checking it's not a typo) :)
190 2021-09-14T16:33:58  <prayank> Yes
191 2021-09-14T16:34:32  <prayank> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20223
192 2021-09-14T16:40:16  <kpcyrd> cool thanks, uploaded it to Arch Linux
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201 2021-09-14T17:42:31  <laanwj> great
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207 2021-09-14T17:55:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #22974: addrman: Improve performance of Good (master...202109_goodspeed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22974
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218 2021-09-14T18:41:38  <roconnor> Let me know if this is the wrong place for this question, but what's up with the new SHA256SUMS.asc which ... doesn't appear to be sha256sums?
219 2021-09-14T18:41:50  <roconnor> Are there new verification instructions?
220 2021-09-14T18:43:20  <hebasto> roconnor: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/issues/793
221 2021-09-14T18:51:37  <sipa> also, see backlog here with comments by laanwj, around just under 12 hours ago
222 2021-09-14T18:59:03  <roconnor> I see.  And if I understand the Binary Release signing key isn't amoung the signature and won't be used going forward, and I could, for example purposes only, delete it.
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224 2021-09-14T19:12:54  <achow101> roconnor: the release key should be used for 0.20.2 and 0.21.2 since those will use the old release process
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226 2021-09-14T19:24:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] div72 opened pull request #22975: scripted-diff: update license URLs to https (master...https-copyright-header) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22975
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228 2021-09-14T19:31:58  <roconnor> achow101: oh that's what this "new major releases" wording is refering to. I get it now.
229 2021-09-14T19:52:35  <andytoshi> if anyone here is an op on #bitcoin-wizards (i'm a little concerned that nobody is since the libera move..) there is a troll
230 2021-09-14T19:52:41  <andytoshi> and also could i pls be put back on the op list
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241 2021-09-14T20:24:46  <BlueMatt> are there any plans to update the download verifier script? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/verifybinaries
242 2021-09-14T20:29:51  <sipa> i guess we should
243 2021-09-14T20:29:54  <sipa> or remove it
244 2021-09-14T20:33:16  <BlueMatt> with the multi-signature stuff there really needs to be a decent script to fetch the relevant pgp keys, ensure that N-of-M of them have signed, and some kind of way to verify the trust of at least some of those keys.
245 2021-09-14T20:33:19  <BlueMatt> imo
246 2021-09-14T20:33:33  <BlueMatt> its kinda hard to verify this release, mostly because pgp is completely and totally hosed cause all the keyservers now strip signatures :(
247 2021-09-14T20:33:44  <BlueMatt> so I cant manage to find signatures for any of these keys :'(
248 2021-09-14T20:33:45  <sipa> yeah
249 2021-09-14T20:34:24  <BlueMatt> not that that's core's problem so much, but at least wkd support for the keys that sign releases with sigs in the wkd versions would be nice
250 2021-09-14T20:35:01  <BlueMatt> so that there's *some* way to download them with sigs
251 2021-09-14T20:35:14  <BlueMatt> or maybe just put them all in repo or on bitcoincore.org (iirc there's already keys in repo, or used to be)
252 2021-09-14T20:35:38  <BlueMatt> so that at least you have a trust path from eg one of the signers to the rest
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254 2021-09-14T20:37:23  <BlueMatt> eg I only have a trust path to like 2 or three of the keys that signed 22, I'd be ok with that if the script just told me "Verified with 2 of the N keys which signed the release, the two you verified are A and B"
255 2021-09-14T20:37:53  <achow101> perhaps it would be reasonable for the previous release key to sign several guix builder keys?
256 2021-09-14T20:38:21  <roconnor> +1 to putting some keys in some bitcoincore repo.  e.g. I tried to download achow101's key from https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/152812300785C96444D3334D17565732E08E5E41 and somehow the server doesn't have an associated ID with the key.
257 2021-09-14T20:38:34  <BlueMatt> that would be nice too, but i think we need to work around the broken keyservers as step 1
258 2021-09-14T20:38:36  <roconnor> (I don't even want to know how that is possible)
259 2021-09-14T20:38:38  <achow101> we used to have keys in the repo, but I think we kept running into expiry problems
260 2021-09-14T20:39:05  <BlueMatt> achow101: the nice bit of using a custom verify script is you can treat expired-key-sigs as valid :p
261 2021-09-14T20:39:09  <BlueMatt> which iirc verify-commits does
262 2021-09-14T20:39:13  <BlueMatt> in some form or another
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266 2021-09-14T20:42:11  <roconnor> having the old build signing key somehow in the chain of custody of this release, e.g. what achow101 suggests, would certainly bring me some comfort in this transition.
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283 2021-09-14T23:57:38  <fanquake> Don’t we have heaps of keys our the repo?