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52021-09-16T00:48:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2161a058552a...528e08119fd8
62021-09-16T00:48:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e4709c7 Russell Yanofsky: Start using init makeNode, makeChain, etc methods
72021-09-16T00:48:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 528e081 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22219: multiprocess: Start using init makeNode, make...
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102021-09-16T00:51:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/528e08119fd8...bd5670eafcfb
112021-09-16T00:51:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa22ddc MarcoFalke: doc: Fix walletdisplayaddress RPC doc
122021-09-16T00:51:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bd5670e fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22979: doc: Fix walletdisplayaddress RPC doc
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152021-09-16T00:51:48 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22979: doc: Fix walletdisplayaddress RPC doc (master...2109-rpcDocWallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22979
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182021-09-16T00:52:06 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22219: multiprocess: Start using init makeNode, makeChain, etc methods (master...pr/ipc-make) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22219
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222021-09-16T01:09:06 <fanquake> CI is currently failing due to #22219
232021-09-16T01:09:08 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22219 | multiprocess: Start using init makeNode, makeChain, etc methods by ryanofsky · Pull Request #22219 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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282021-09-16T02:14:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #22992: Fix Qt test broken by #22219 (master...pr/sfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22992
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322021-09-16T02:42:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bd5670eafcfb...7709bf46ce2c
332021-09-16T02:42:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fad8606 MarcoFalke: doc: Update snap release process for new versioning scheme
342021-09-16T02:42:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7709bf4 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22970: doc: Update snap release process for new vers...
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372021-09-16T02:42:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22970: doc: Update snap release process for new versioning scheme (master...2109-docSnapRel) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22970
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442021-09-16T04:10:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7709bf46ce2c...9424e78f34da
452021-09-16T04:10:22 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 865ee1a Russell Yanofsky: Fix Qt test broken by #22219
462021-09-16T04:10:22 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9424e78 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22992: Fix Qt test broken by #22219
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492021-09-16T04:10:39 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22992: Fix Qt test broken by #22219 (master...pr/sfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22992
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602021-09-16T07:14:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9424e78f34da...ec7ec69c7bca
612021-09-16T07:14:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3174425 Hennadii Stepanov: Cleanup headers after #20788
622021-09-16T07:14:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ec7ec69 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22952: Cleanup headers after #20788
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672021-09-16T07:32:23 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #22993: build: set OSX_MIN_VERSION to 10.15 (master...macos_minimum_10_15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22993
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702021-09-16T07:41:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #22952: Cleanup headers after #20788 (master...210911-headers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22952
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742021-09-16T08:03:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #22994: ci: use Debian Bullseye in ARM CI (master...use_bullseye_arm_ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22994
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802021-09-16T08:57:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ec7ec69c7bca...87780dfee8c8
812021-09-16T08:57:42 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 252d1a7 fanquake: ci: use Debian Bullseye in ARM CI
822021-09-16T08:57:42 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 87780df merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22994: ci: use Debian Bullseye in ARM CI
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852021-09-16T09:17:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #22994: ci: use Debian Bullseye in ARM CI (master...use_bullseye_arm_ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22994
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892021-09-16T09:34:48 <darosior> b10c: (sorry to ping you every time in need some stats but) would you happen to have stats about the historical use of CPFP? I'm looking into making the fee estimator CPFP-aware
902021-09-16T09:35:45 <darosior> If you don't i can just make a script it was just in case i can avoid doing it
912021-09-16T09:35:54 <darosior> I expect it to be high
922021-09-16T09:47:59 <laanwj> whoops
932021-09-16T09:48:31 <laanwj> oh #22992 already fixed it
942021-09-16T09:48:32 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22992 | Fix Qt test broken by #22219 by ryanofsky · Pull Request #22992 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1022021-09-16T11:08:08 <b10c> darosior: please continue pining me for stats, that's part of why I collect them! However, I I currently don't have any mempool CPFP stats.
1032021-09-16T11:09:41 <b10c> I guess your script calls `getrawmempool true` and calculates the number of packages and size of packages based on the ancestor and descendant information?
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1052021-09-16T11:13:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kcalvinalvin opened pull request #22995: doc: Update stale comment about secure allocators. (master...update-stale-allocator-comment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22995
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1072021-09-16T11:15:32 <darosior> b10c: i don't have one atm but i was thinking of just crawling the chain and look for each transaction if they have childs in the same block which increase the package feerate. Think it'd be a good enough heuristic
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1092021-09-16T11:16:53 <darosior> Maybe on the last 100k blocks it shouldn't take too long (esp. with RCasatta[m]'s awesome block_iterator)
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1142021-09-16T11:50:53 <prayank> darosior: Are you trying to create something like this or add this in Core? https://github.com/djbooth007/cpfp-calculator/
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1162021-09-16T12:07:23 <darosior> Nope, i will be trying to make CBlockPolicyEstimaor not assume that the first transaction in a chain paid its fees itself. (don't think it'll be hard but i wanted to gather some usage statistics to further motivate this change)
1172021-09-16T12:07:53 <darosior> Similar to my PR to re-include replacement txs into estimates
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1192021-09-16T12:23:08 <prayank> Okay
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1212021-09-16T12:31:09 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rebroad opened pull request #22996: Better GetHeight() for CTxMemPoolEntry (master...BetterEntryHeight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22996
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1242021-09-16T12:34:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rebroad closed pull request #22996: Better GetHeight() for CTxMemPoolEntry (master...BetterEntryHeight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22996
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1332021-09-16T13:05:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] monstro805 opened pull request #22997: Mergify/monstro805/config update (master...mergify/monstro805/config-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22997
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1362021-09-16T13:06:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] monstro805 closed pull request #22997: Mergify/monstro805/config update (master...mergify/monstro805/config-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22997
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1392021-09-16T13:16:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/87780dfee8c8...7a999879d2f6
1402021-09-16T13:16:22 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5008dd8 Calvin Kim: doc: Remove stale comment for CPrivKey
1412021-09-16T13:16:22 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7a99987 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22995: doc: Remove stale comment for CPrivKey
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1472021-09-16T13:28:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #22995: doc: Remove stale comment for CPrivKey (master...update-stale-allocator-comment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22995
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1502021-09-16T14:01:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7a999879d2f6...6d76b57ca0cd
1512021-09-16T14:01:41 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fad4f44 MarcoFalke: test: Set peertimeout in write_config
1522021-09-16T14:01:41 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6d76b57 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22960: test: Set peertimeout in write_config
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1562021-09-16T14:02:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22960: test: Set peertimeout in write_config (master...2109-testPeerTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22960
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1632021-09-16T14:38:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6d76b57ca0cd...58e02395bad5
1642021-09-16T14:38:49 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac66d0 MarcoFalke: test: Simplify p2p_blocksonly test with new miniwallet rescan_utxos method
1652021-09-16T14:38:49 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa66a7d MarcoFalke: p2p: Rename fBlocksOnly, Add test
1662021-09-16T14:38:49 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 58e0239 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22955: p2p: Rename fBlocksOnly, Add test
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1692021-09-16T14:39:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22955: p2p: Rename fBlocksOnly, Add test (master...2109-testInvBlocksonly) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22955
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1722021-09-16T14:39:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #22962: Remove unused SERIALIZE_METHODS on CFeeRate (master...2109-noSerFeeRate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22962
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1752021-09-16T14:42:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #22998: test: use MiniWallet for make_utxo helper in feature_rbf.py (master...202109-test-use_miniwallet_for_make_utxo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22998
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1802021-09-16T15:02:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/58e02395bad5...cdf12c7b3d71
1812021-09-16T15:02:08 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 350e034 Jon Atack: consensus: don't call GetBlockPos in ReadBlockFromDisk without lock
1822021-09-16T15:02:08 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cdf12c7 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22895: consensus: don't call GetBlockPos in ReadBloc...
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1852021-09-16T15:02:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22895: consensus: don't call GetBlockPos in ReadBlockFromDisk without cs_main lock (master...ReadBlockFromDisk-block_pos) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22895
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1942021-09-16T15:39:06 <provoostenator> I just moved my DNS seed to a new machine. There might be some delay before IPv6 starts behaving.
1952021-09-16T15:39:13 <provoostenator> This doesn't work for me yet: dig -6 -t AAAA seed.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl
1962021-09-16T15:39:39 <provoostenator> But this does: dig -6 @seed1.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl seed.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl AAAA
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2012021-09-16T16:04:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #22999: bench: add `-quiet` and `-iters=<n>` benchmark config args (master...bench-add-quiet-and-iters-args) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22999
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2082021-09-16T16:38:34 <laanwj> provoostenator: same, the first dig command line times out the second one works
2092021-09-16T16:38:56 <provoostenator> I made a note to check this again tomorrow, to make sure it's not a configuration problemm.
2102021-09-16T16:39:31 <provoostenator> But for now it just looks like the old NS record is very stubbornly cached by the wider internet, despite its 1 hour timeout
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2142021-09-16T16:45:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cdf12c7b3d71...0de84b732852
2152021-09-16T16:45:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 75ea9ec Jon Atack: cli -addrinfo: drop torv2, torv3 becomes onion per GetNetworkName()
2162021-09-16T16:45:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 49d503a Jon Atack: doc: update -addrinfo in release-notes.md and tor.md
2172021-09-16T16:45:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0de84b7 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22544: cli -addrinfo: drop torv2; torv3 becomes onio...
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2202021-09-16T16:45:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22544: cli -addrinfo: drop torv2; torv3 becomes onion per GetNetworkName() (master...rm-torv2-from-addrinfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22544
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2312021-09-16T17:04:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0de84b732852...698b4b8fac3d
2322021-09-16T17:04:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2ef0acc fanquake: remove --enable-glibc-back-compat from CI and docs
2332021-09-16T17:04:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 62e45da fanquake: build: remove glibc-back-compat from build system
2342021-09-16T17:04:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a907704 fanquake: compat: remove glibc_compat.cpp
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2372021-09-16T17:04:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22930: build: remove glibc back compat (master...remove_glibc_back_commpat) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22930
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2402021-09-16T17:04:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #23000: net: update signet seeds (master...2021/09/signet-seed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23000
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2542021-09-16T18:10:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22845: build: improve check for ::(w)system (master...dont_literally_use_have_or_have) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22845
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2572021-09-16T18:17:28 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/82a85216c3a3...6ef84e050399
2582021-09-16T18:17:28 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5984084 lsilva01: Specifies how to set the value of TORGROUP
2592021-09-16T18:17:28 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6ef84e0 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22420: doc: Specifiy how to set the value of TORGROU...
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2622021-09-16T18:17:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22420: doc: Specifiy how to set the value of TORGROUP (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22420
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2672021-09-16T18:27:01 <prayank> I had added some topic for meeting today according to bitcoin core wiki. It's 12 AM here and I want to sleep early today. Shared my thoughts here which most probably would not matter, but better than suggesting a topic and saying nothing: https://gist.github.com/prayank23/e385e31427989c47e715d61556772d02
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2702021-09-16T18:54:26 <laanwj> ok, thanks for the heads up
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2752021-09-16T19:04:00 <laanwj> #startmeeting
2762021-09-16T19:04:00 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 16 19:04:00 2021 UTC. The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
2772021-09-16T19:04:00 <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
2782021-09-16T19:04:49 <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
2792021-09-16T19:04:51 <laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
2802021-09-16T19:04:54 <kvaciral[m]> hi
2812021-09-16T19:04:58 <achow101> hi
2822021-09-16T19:05:04 <sipsorcery> hi
2832021-09-16T19:05:27 <ajonas> hi
2842021-09-16T19:05:38 <jonatack> hi
2852021-09-16T19:05:49 <laanwj> there was one proposed meeting topic: Use database for `lockunspent` (prayank), but they couldn't be there for the meeting
2862021-09-16T19:06:02 <laanwj> any last minute topics?
2872021-09-16T19:06:07 <meshcollider> hi
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2892021-09-16T19:06:41 <ajonas> I had a 5 second thing about a new IRC logger
2902021-09-16T19:06:52 <achow101> #proposedmeetingtopic changing CFeeRate rounding
2912021-09-16T19:07:43 <laanwj> thanks! let's start with high prio as usual
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2932021-09-16T19:07:48 <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
2942021-09-16T19:07:49 <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
2952021-09-16T19:07:54 <b10c> hi
2962021-09-16T19:08:11 <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 7 blockers, 2 chasing concept ACK at the moment
2972021-09-16T19:08:21 <laanwj> anything to add/remove, or that is (almost) ready for merge?
2982021-09-16T19:08:42 <sipa> hi
2992021-09-16T19:08:56 <amiti> can I have 22950 added?
3002021-09-16T19:09:20 <laanwj> looks like #21859 needs rebase
3012021-09-16T19:09:22 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21859 | Add minisketch subtree and integrate in build/test by sipa · Pull Request #21859 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3022021-09-16T19:09:33 <jonatack> #21526 likely RFM soon
3032021-09-16T19:09:35 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21526 | validation: UpdateTip/CheckBlockIndex assumeutxo support by jamesob · Pull Request #21526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3042021-09-16T19:10:11 <laanwj> amiti: added!
3052021-09-16T19:10:16 <laanwj> jonatack: great
3062021-09-16T19:10:36 <amiti> thanks :)
3072021-09-16T19:12:04 <laanwj> #topic New IRC logger (ajonas)
3082021-09-16T19:12:05 <core-meetingbot> topic: New IRC logger (ajonas)
3092021-09-16T19:12:15 <ajonas> Very quick - wanted to point out that Chaincode put up yet another IRC logger -- the twist is that this is searchable.
3102021-09-16T19:12:20 <ajonas> https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/
3112021-09-16T19:12:24 <ajonas> Feedback welcome.
3122021-09-16T19:12:29 <ajonas> That's it
3132021-09-16T19:12:32 <laanwj> that's really neat
3142021-09-16T19:12:37 <harding> Nice!
3152021-09-16T19:12:45 <b10c> bookmarked
3162021-09-16T19:13:00 <laanwj> i wonder how we should handle this with the topic
3172021-09-16T19:13:08 <sipa> not loading for me. and I'm in the chaincode office...
3182021-09-16T19:13:13 <jonatack> nice! insta-pinned
3192021-09-16T19:13:38 <harding> We could link to all the logs on the IRC channels wiki page and link that in the topic?
3202021-09-16T19:13:41 <laanwj> it's getting quite long we can hardly add another logger url there
3212021-09-16T19:13:51 <laanwj> yes, might be a better idea
3222021-09-16T19:14:02 <laanwj> also the proposedmeetingtopic lists
3232021-09-16T19:14:29 <laanwj> would be more organised than this way, at least
3242021-09-16T19:14:53 <laanwj> #topic Changing CFeeRate rounding (achow101)
3252021-09-16T19:14:54 <core-meetingbot> topic: Changing CFeeRate rounding (achow101)
3262021-09-16T19:15:01 <jonatack> ajonas: not sure the analytics (gaug.es) is needed
3272021-09-16T19:15:14 <jonatack> but very cool (thank you!)
3282021-09-16T19:15:24 <ajonas> yeah, that's not hooked up to anything
3292021-09-16T19:15:27 <ajonas> but happy to remove
3302021-09-16T19:15:38 <achow101> currently CFeeRate::GetFee always rounds down (via truncation), but this seems to be incorrect behavior to me, although we have tests for it
3312021-09-16T19:15:55 <achow101> it means that at some feerates and sizes, we end up paying a feerate that is less than intended
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3332021-09-16T19:16:12 <achow101> this can also lead to an assertion failure in coin selection
3342021-09-16T19:16:39 <laanwj> would "always round up" lead to better behavior?
3352021-09-16T19:16:46 <achow101> I propose in #22949 that we change to rounding up, but there are concerns that this could affect policy
3362021-09-16T19:16:48 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22949 | fee: Round up fee calculation to avoid a lower than expected feerate by achow101 · Pull Request #22949 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3372021-09-16T19:17:24 <achow101> so I just wanted to get more people familiar with policy to have a look at that and figure out whether it would actually affect policy
3382021-09-16T19:17:50 <achow101> laanwj: yes. it both avoids the assertion failure, and guarantees that the targeted feerate is being met
3392021-09-16T19:18:14 <laanwj> so for policy you'd ideally want to round down, but for the wallet up?
3402021-09-16T19:18:27 <laanwj> could make it an explicit flag
3412021-09-16T19:18:59 <achow101> I guess? I don't think it actually affects policy since GetFee is only used to get the minrelayfee and incremental relay fee
3422021-09-16T19:19:22 <laanwj> if it doesn't affect policy then it's moot
3432021-09-16T19:19:25 <achow101> it's a bit odd to me that policy and the wallet would have different behavior for calculating at the same feerate
3442021-09-16T19:20:06 <laanwj> well one is for what you want paid, the other is for what you pay, it's different sides of the transaction
3452021-09-16T19:22:17 <achow101> I'm pretty sure it has no affect on policy, but I don't know policy well enough to definiteively say so
3462021-09-16T19:23:07 <laanwj> ok, that would be something to figure out for sure
3472021-09-16T19:25:28 <laanwj> no one else weighing in now, i guess that concludes the topic
3482021-09-16T19:25:38 <laanwj> anything else to discuss today?
3492021-09-16T19:25:45 <jonatack> hm, few existing tests needed to be updated, given how much functional fee rate testing we have. will review
3502021-09-16T19:27:14 <michaelfolkson> Just inform the mailing list that this change is being proposed if it is touching policy? I don't see any bad implications and neither does darosior on that issue you linked achow101
3512021-09-16T19:28:23 <laanwj> yes, if it (noticibly) affects policy it would be good to discuss on the ml
3522021-09-16T19:29:06 <michaelfolkson> I can't see there being any discussion but good to follow what is most likely best practice going forward
3532021-09-16T19:30:02 <laanwj> that concludes the meeting i guess, thanks everyone
3542021-09-16T19:30:04 <laanwj> #endmeeting
3552021-09-16T19:30:04 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
3562021-09-16T19:30:05 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Sep 16 19:30:04 2021 UTC.
3572021-09-16T19:30:05 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-09-16-19.04.moin.txt
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3602021-09-16T19:51:20 <jamesob> Hey, is anyone working on a patch for bitcoincoreorg that includes new binary verification instructions based on the aggregate sigs? If not I was going to start on a patch. cc dongcarl harding wumpus BlueMatt
3612021-09-16T19:54:18 <harding> Not at the moment, would love your help!
3622021-09-16T19:55:03 <achow101> while you're at it, perhaps update contrib/verifybinaries/verify.py
3632021-09-16T19:55:28 <BlueMatt> or maybe do that and update bitcoincoreorg to just mention/point to that script?
3642021-09-16T19:56:33 <BlueMatt> tho i guess that doesnt help winblowz users
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3662021-09-16T19:58:38 <jamesob> cool, will get on it. Good idea about verify.py.
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3682021-09-16T19:59:14 <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/bitcoin-core-dev-IRC-information a slightly more organized version of what's in the topic, with the new logger added
3692021-09-16T19:59:14 <jamesob> BlueMatt: I would love to know how big the intersection is of people are both running on windows and have a serviceable gpg installation
3702021-09-16T19:59:46 <BlueMatt> yea that too lol
3712021-09-16T19:59:53 <achow101> there are a bunch of windows pgp/gpg software
3722021-09-16T20:00:22 <BlueMatt> achow101: yes, but that make it easy to fetch trusted keys, verify a file, then hash-check other files based on that file?
3732021-09-16T20:00:25 <jamesob> achow101: I'm sure the software's there, but users who run it...
3742021-09-16T20:00:31 <BlueMatt> you'd also need a sha256sum copy...
3752021-09-16T20:00:55 <BlueMatt> and, of people who have all those things, how many dont have python3?
3762021-09-16T20:01:18 <laanwj> some people do verify signatures on windows
3772021-09-16T20:01:27 <laanwj> manually, with a pgp program
3782021-09-16T20:01:28 <jamesob> I'm sure someone in this room has some kind of elaborate cygwin/WSL setup, please chime in :)
3792021-09-16T20:01:32 <achow101> windows has a different (GUI I think too) tool for calculating sha256 hashes
3802021-09-16T20:01:57 <achow101> no automatic comparison like sha256sum though. I think people just verify the hashes match visually
3812021-09-16T20:02:05 <laanwj> yes, it's a more manual process
3822021-09-16T20:02:30 <achow101> the old verification docs had windows instructions
3832021-09-16T20:02:31 <laanwj> it's always funny how GUIs are supposed to make things easier, but often make for more manual work
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3852021-09-16T20:04:17 <sipa> gleb7: re your comment about addrman rationale... i do not remember
3862021-09-16T20:08:34 <BlueMatt> jamesob: ideally the new script should be something that runs on bitcoincoreorg as well, preventing binaries from being uploaded unless it passes.
3872021-09-16T20:10:34 <jamesob> BlueMatt: oh good point
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3892021-09-16T20:13:11 <roconnor> has anyone reviewed the implementation of sha256sum? I've been meaning to do it because I'm somewhat nervious that there exists some sort of obtuse input to it that would trick it into returning a successful comparision somehow.
3902021-09-16T20:13:53 <laanwj> wouldn't need to upload binaries at all if bitcoincoreorg could do the guix build :)
3912021-09-16T20:14:12 <laanwj> and produce the torrent, i guess
3922021-09-16T20:14:39 <BlueMatt> probably could do that too, someone should totally make that happen :p
3932021-09-16T20:15:30 <laanwj> roconnor: given how many projects rely on it it'd be a huge CVE if so
3942021-09-16T20:16:31 <roconnor> Oh? Do lots of project rely on the sha256sum verificaiton mode?
3952021-09-16T20:16:39 <BlueMatt> yes
3962021-09-16T20:16:40 <laanwj> that said, i'm not sure it'd be an issue in our case? you *first* check the signatures, if they don't match, you don't verify the sha256sums at all, if the signatures match well... why would everyone sign a sha256sums that contains weird data
3972021-09-16T20:16:48 <roconnor> That does make me feel better.
3982021-09-16T20:17:00 <laanwj> yes, sha256sums -c is incredibly common in instructions
3992021-09-16T20:17:31 <roconnor> okay I feel a little bit better then.
4002021-09-16T20:18:12 <laanwj> and if you don't verify the PGP signatures at all and JOLO shasums256, you've not gained any security, because the same attacker replacing binaries could also replace that file
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4022021-09-16T20:22:30 <roconnor> IIUC at least some of these signers are not using dedicated bitcoin signing keys, and thus may use the same key for signing emails or whatnot.
4032021-09-16T20:23:21 <laanwj> yes, but they have to sign the specific file for it to work
4042021-09-16T20:23:27 <BlueMatt> at least that way there's usually a pgp verification path, though of course these days its impossible to fetch signed pgp keys anymore cause all th keyservers are dead :(
4052021-09-16T20:23:32 <roconnor> I get that it is far fetched, but you just need to get some threshold many of these entities to sign some email that happens to tickle sha256sum -c in some way.
4062021-09-16T20:24:10 <roconnor> and, having not looked at sha256sum myself, my prior is that these text tools will correctly verify or report failure on well-formated text files.
4072021-09-16T20:24:33 <roconnor> and invoke arbitrary behaviour on non-well-formed text files.
4082021-09-16T20:24:47 <BlueMatt> luckily no one uses pgp signing in emails anymore :p
4092021-09-16T20:25:13 <laanwj> let alone multiple people signing the same mail
4102021-09-16T20:26:22 <laanwj> but sure it's not impossible
4112021-09-16T20:27:15 <laanwj> if you're that level of paranoid you should probably run your own guix build and compare against other's output
4122021-09-16T20:27:34 <roconnor> For the time being I've been manually checking the sha256sums, so I'm not too worried about becoming tricked by a improperly formated file.
4132021-09-16T20:30:00 <roconnor> Just to be clear, I'm not actually worried. I just want to understand where and how things could fail.
4142021-09-16T20:31:15 <laanwj> sure, makes sense
4152021-09-16T20:32:04 <harding> shasum on linux has an option to ignore invalid input, which was used on the BitcoinCore.org instructions. For OSX, there's no such option, and I wonder if you could just insert a line in the SHASUMS file that said "bitcoin-22.0.blah.tar.gz SUCCESS" and make it look like it passed or something. For the Windows instructions, I think you had to do by-eye verification anyway.
4162021-09-16T20:32:27 <roconnor> harding: what is the option?
4172021-09-16T20:32:43 <luke-jr> #12677 has 4 ACKs and some doc improvement suggestions; shall I address them and wait on re-acks, or would someone prefer to merge it and I do a followup doc improvement PR?\
4182021-09-16T20:32:45 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12677 | RPC: Add ancestor{count,size,fees} to listunspent output by luke-jr · Pull Request #12677 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4192021-09-16T20:33:51 <harding> roconnor: sha256sum --ignore-missing --check SHA256SUMS.asc
4202021-09-16T20:33:59 <harding> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/blob/2aeaa478532d93196e51b11f07cc0b066bb99aba/_includes/templates/download.html#L199
4212021-09-16T20:34:31 <laanwj> luke-jr: I think it makes sense to address the small remaining comments before merge
4222021-09-16T20:34:34 <luke-jr> k
4232021-09-16T20:35:28 <laanwj> ignore-missing ignores missing files, which is necessary because the attestation attests to files (like un-codesigned intermediate output, debug files) that aren't shipped in the release
4242021-09-16T20:36:19 <harding> Yeah, I guess I misremembered that. It's actually used on BitcoinCore.org because we expect people to only download the binaries for their arch, so the other files listed in the SHASUMS won't be present (normally).
4252021-09-16T20:36:32 <laanwj> (also, someone might not download all the files before verifying)
4262021-09-16T20:36:39 <laanwj> right
4272021-09-16T20:37:30 <harding> Still, it ends up printing a lot less random crap, which reduces the risk of introduced false positives or negatives.
4282021-09-16T20:38:16 <laanwj> it prints the names of skipped files though, what if you call a file bitcoin-22.0.blah.tar.gz-SUCCESS :)
4292021-09-16T20:38:38 <laanwj> or, no, it doesn't
4302021-09-16T20:40:23 <roconnor> bicoin-22.0: SUCCESS : FAILED :)
4312021-09-16T20:40:30 <roconnor> *bitcoin
4322021-09-16T20:40:51 <roconnor> can filenames have carriage returns in them?
4332021-09-16T20:43:09 <harding> roconnor: in Linux/modern Unixes, yes. I don't know about how sha256sums handles that, but it brings up the question of whether you can put terminal ANSI escape sequences in a file name
4342021-09-16T20:43:15 <sipa> $ echo >$'\n'
4352021-09-16T20:43:28 <sipa> seems to work
4362021-09-16T20:43:48 <harding> Yeah, I've created files with newlines by mistake lots of times over the years; they're kinda a pain to delete.
4372021-09-16T20:44:39 <laanwj> our build system can't handle directories with spaces, please don't try even directories with newlines...
4382021-09-16T20:46:21 <laanwj> i guess you can literally have any character in a filename except / and \0
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4402021-09-16T20:47:13 <roconnor> Can you name a file "bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS\n"? I'm having trouble doing this myself?
4412021-09-16T20:47:41 <roconnor> er s/SUCCESS/OK ... but anyhow.
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4432021-09-16T20:47:53 <laanwj> (will try, in /tmp to make sure the OS cleans it up next reboot)
4442021-09-16T20:47:53 <sipa> echo >$'bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS\n'
4452021-09-16T20:48:34 <sipa> $ sha256sum bitcoin*
4462021-09-16T20:48:34 <sipa> \01ba4719c80b6fe911b091a7c05124b64eeece964e09c058ef8f9805daca546b bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS\n
4472021-09-16T20:48:48 <harding> sipa: I think you need echo -e
4482021-09-16T20:48:54 <harding> I did: harding@ganymede:~$ touch "/tmp/bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS^M"
4492021-09-16T20:48:55 <harding> harding@ganymede:~$ ls /tmp/bitcoin-0.22\:\ SUCCESS^M
4502021-09-16T20:48:55 <harding> '/tmp/bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS'$'\r'
4512021-09-16T20:48:55 <laanwj> 'bitcoin-0.22: OK'$'\n' that's how ls shos it
4522021-09-16T20:49:13 <sipa> harding: only difference is whether the resulting file is empty
4532021-09-16T20:49:21 <sipa> harding: oh, no
4542021-09-16T20:49:37 <sipa> still doesn't matter i think?
4552021-09-16T20:49:39 <harding> Yeah, I think your file has a literal "\n" on the end.
4562021-09-16T20:49:45 <sipa> the file or the filename?
4572021-09-16T20:49:50 <harding> Filename.
4582021-09-16T20:49:55 <roconnor> Thanks. Doesn't appear to fool sha256sum into printing misleading output.
4592021-09-16T20:49:58 <sipa> harding: no
4602021-09-16T20:50:01 <roconnor> at least on linux.
4612021-09-16T20:50:28 <harding> sipa: That's weird. echo "\n" prints "\n" here, not a newline.
4622021-09-16T20:50:33 <sipa> harding: the filename expansion and redirection is done by the shell
4632021-09-16T20:50:40 <sipa> not echo
4642021-09-16T20:50:41 <harding> Oh, right.
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4662021-09-16T20:54:15 <laanwj> echo -e '906acc2401735cef66d0fa0080d3e22c9ae0cb7f65e64ce3dd6cb1df31507a52 \e[1;95mtest' |sha256sum -c
4672021-09-16T20:54:47 <laanwj> heh
4682021-09-16T20:57:20 <harding> Next time I start to think Bitcion is complicated, I'll have to remember to think about Unix.
4692021-09-16T20:58:59 <roconnor> ugh
4702021-09-16T20:59:06 <roconnor> that doesn't fill me with confidence.
4712021-09-16T20:59:37 <roconnor> I'm going to keep thing purple to remind me to write my own operating system.
4722021-09-16T21:00:14 <earnestly> Learning how to deal with filenames potentially containing newlines is far harder than writing your own operating system
4732021-09-16T21:00:26 <laanwj> echo -e '906acc2401735cef66d0fa0080d3e22c9ae0cb7f65e64ce3dd6cb1df31507a52 \e[1Abitcoin-core-22.0.tar.gz: OK\e[0J\e[30m'|sha256sum -c
4742021-09-16T21:00:45 <sipa> if i ever write an OS, the only allowed filename characters will be 0 and 1
4752021-09-16T21:01:07 <laanwj> (it sets the text color to black to hide the text after it, so beware)
4762021-09-16T21:01:53 <earnestly> If people want a good, opinionated guide to terminal control sequences, see: http://xn--rpa.cc/irl/term.html
4772021-09-16T21:03:22 <laanwj> in any case --ignore-missing prevents this because it won't show the name for the missing file
4782021-09-16T21:05:06 <laanwj> earnestly: thanks, i usually use the wikipedia page on 'ansi escape code', but that page is already purple so that's eveb better
4792021-09-16T21:06:31 <earnestly> That and console_codes(4) is quite good as it highlights what is ECMA-48 (standard) as well
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4822021-09-16T21:24:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] div72 closed pull request #22975: scripted-diff: update license URLs to https (master...https-copyright-header) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22975
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4852021-09-16T22:07:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] JeremyRand opened pull request #23001: doc: Enable TLS in links in documentation (master...docs-tls) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23001
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4962021-09-16T23:12:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #23002: Make descriptor wallets by default (master...default-desc-wallets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23002
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