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  5 2021-09-16T00:48:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2161a058552a...528e08119fd8
  6 2021-09-16T00:48:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e4709c7 Russell Yanofsky: Start using init makeNode, makeChain, etc methods
  7 2021-09-16T00:48:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 528e081 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22219: multiprocess: Start using init makeNode, make...
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 11 2021-09-16T00:51:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa22ddc MarcoFalke: doc: Fix walletdisplayaddress RPC doc
 12 2021-09-16T00:51:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bd5670e fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22979: doc: Fix walletdisplayaddress RPC doc
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 22 2021-09-16T01:09:06  <fanquake> CI is currently failing due to #22219
 23 2021-09-16T01:09:08  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22219 | multiprocess: Start using init makeNode, makeChain, etc methods by ryanofsky · Pull Request #22219 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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 28 2021-09-16T02:14:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #22992: Fix Qt test broken by #22219 (master...pr/sfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22992
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 33 2021-09-16T02:42:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fad8606 MarcoFalke: doc: Update snap release process for new versioning scheme
 34 2021-09-16T02:42:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7709bf4 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22970: doc: Update snap release process for new vers...
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 45 2021-09-16T04:10:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 865ee1a Russell Yanofsky: Fix Qt test broken by #22219
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 61 2021-09-16T07:14:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3174425 Hennadii Stepanov: Cleanup headers after #20788
 62 2021-09-16T07:14:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ec7ec69 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22952: Cleanup headers after #20788
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 67 2021-09-16T07:32:23  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #22993: build: set OSX_MIN_VERSION to 10.15 (master...macos_minimum_10_15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22993
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 74 2021-09-16T08:03:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #22994: ci: use Debian Bullseye in ARM CI (master...use_bullseye_arm_ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22994
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 82 2021-09-16T08:57:42  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 87780df merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22994: ci: use Debian Bullseye in ARM CI
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 85 2021-09-16T09:17:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #22994: ci: use Debian Bullseye in ARM CI (master...use_bullseye_arm_ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22994
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 89 2021-09-16T09:34:48  <darosior> b10c: (sorry to ping you every time in need some stats but) would you happen to have stats about the historical use of CPFP? I'm looking into making the fee estimator CPFP-aware
 90 2021-09-16T09:35:45  <darosior> If you don't i can just make a script it was just in case i can avoid doing it
 91 2021-09-16T09:35:54  <darosior> I expect it to be high
 92 2021-09-16T09:47:59  <laanwj> whoops
 93 2021-09-16T09:48:31  <laanwj> oh #22992 already fixed it
 94 2021-09-16T09:48:32  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22992 | Fix Qt test broken by #22219 by ryanofsky · Pull Request #22992 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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102 2021-09-16T11:08:08  <b10c> darosior: please continue pining me for stats, that's part of why I collect them! However, I I currently don't have any mempool CPFP stats.
103 2021-09-16T11:09:41  <b10c> I guess your script calls `getrawmempool true` and calculates the number of packages and size of packages based on the ancestor and descendant information?
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105 2021-09-16T11:13:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kcalvinalvin opened pull request #22995: doc: Update stale comment about secure allocators. (master...update-stale-allocator-comment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22995
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107 2021-09-16T11:15:32  <darosior> b10c: i don't have one atm but i was thinking of just crawling the chain and look for each transaction if they have childs in the same block which increase the package feerate. Think it'd be a good enough heuristic
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109 2021-09-16T11:16:53  <darosior> Maybe on the last 100k blocks it shouldn't take too long (esp. with RCasatta[m]'s awesome block_iterator)
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114 2021-09-16T11:50:53  <prayank> darosior: Are you trying to create something like this or add this in Core? https://github.com/djbooth007/cpfp-calculator/
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116 2021-09-16T12:07:23  <darosior> Nope, i will be trying to make CBlockPolicyEstimaor not assume that the first transaction in a chain paid its fees itself. (don't think it'll be hard but i wanted to gather some usage statistics to further motivate this change)
117 2021-09-16T12:07:53  <darosior> Similar to my PR to re-include replacement txs into estimates
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119 2021-09-16T12:23:08  <prayank> Okay
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121 2021-09-16T12:31:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rebroad opened pull request #22996: Better GetHeight() for CTxMemPoolEntry (master...BetterEntryHeight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22996
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124 2021-09-16T12:34:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rebroad closed pull request #22996: Better GetHeight() for CTxMemPoolEntry (master...BetterEntryHeight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22996
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133 2021-09-16T13:05:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] monstro805 opened pull request #22997: Mergify/monstro805/config update (master...mergify/monstro805/config-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22997
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136 2021-09-16T13:06:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] monstro805 closed pull request #22997: Mergify/monstro805/config update (master...mergify/monstro805/config-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22997
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139 2021-09-16T13:16:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/87780dfee8c8...7a999879d2f6
140 2021-09-16T13:16:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5008dd8 Calvin Kim: doc: Remove stale comment for CPrivKey
141 2021-09-16T13:16:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7a99987 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22995: doc: Remove stale comment for CPrivKey
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147 2021-09-16T13:28:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #22995:  doc: Remove stale comment for CPrivKey (master...update-stale-allocator-comment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22995
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150 2021-09-16T14:01:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7a999879d2f6...6d76b57ca0cd
151 2021-09-16T14:01:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fad4f44 MarcoFalke: test: Set peertimeout in write_config
152 2021-09-16T14:01:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6d76b57 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22960: test: Set peertimeout in write_config
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156 2021-09-16T14:02:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22960: test: Set peertimeout in write_config (master...2109-testPeerTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22960
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163 2021-09-16T14:38:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6d76b57ca0cd...58e02395bad5
164 2021-09-16T14:38:49  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac66d0 MarcoFalke: test: Simplify p2p_blocksonly test with new miniwallet rescan_utxos method
165 2021-09-16T14:38:49  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa66a7d MarcoFalke: p2p: Rename fBlocksOnly, Add test
166 2021-09-16T14:38:49  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 58e0239 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22955: p2p: Rename fBlocksOnly, Add test
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169 2021-09-16T14:39:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22955: p2p: Rename fBlocksOnly, Add test (master...2109-testInvBlocksonly) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22955
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172 2021-09-16T14:39:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #22962: Remove unused SERIALIZE_METHODS on CFeeRate (master...2109-noSerFeeRate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22962
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175 2021-09-16T14:42:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #22998: test: use MiniWallet for make_utxo helper in feature_rbf.py (master...202109-test-use_miniwallet_for_make_utxo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22998
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180 2021-09-16T15:02:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/58e02395bad5...cdf12c7b3d71
181 2021-09-16T15:02:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 350e034 Jon Atack: consensus: don't call GetBlockPos in ReadBlockFromDisk without lock
182 2021-09-16T15:02:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cdf12c7 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22895: consensus: don't call GetBlockPos in ReadBloc...
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185 2021-09-16T15:02:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22895: consensus: don't call GetBlockPos in ReadBlockFromDisk without cs_main lock (master...ReadBlockFromDisk-block_pos) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22895
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194 2021-09-16T15:39:06  <provoostenator> I just moved my DNS seed to a new machine. There might be some delay before IPv6 starts behaving.
195 2021-09-16T15:39:13  <provoostenator> This doesn't work for me yet: dig -6 -t AAAA seed.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl
196 2021-09-16T15:39:39  <provoostenator> But this does: dig -6 @seed1.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl seed.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl AAAA
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201 2021-09-16T16:04:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #22999: bench: add `-quiet` and `-iters=<n>` benchmark config args (master...bench-add-quiet-and-iters-args) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22999
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208 2021-09-16T16:38:34  <laanwj> provoostenator: same, the first dig command line times out the second one works
209 2021-09-16T16:38:56  <provoostenator> I made a note to check this again tomorrow,  to make sure it's not a configuration problemm.
210 2021-09-16T16:39:31  <provoostenator> But for now it just looks like the old NS record is very stubbornly cached by the wider internet,  despite its 1 hour timeout
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214 2021-09-16T16:45:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cdf12c7b3d71...0de84b732852
215 2021-09-16T16:45:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 75ea9ec Jon Atack: cli -addrinfo: drop torv2, torv3 becomes onion per GetNetworkName()
216 2021-09-16T16:45:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 49d503a Jon Atack: doc: update -addrinfo in release-notes.md and tor.md
217 2021-09-16T16:45:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0de84b7 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22544: cli -addrinfo: drop torv2; torv3 becomes onio...
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220 2021-09-16T16:45:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22544: cli -addrinfo: drop torv2; torv3 becomes onion per GetNetworkName() (master...rm-torv2-from-addrinfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22544
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231 2021-09-16T17:04:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0de84b732852...698b4b8fac3d
232 2021-09-16T17:04:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2ef0acc fanquake: remove --enable-glibc-back-compat from CI and docs
233 2021-09-16T17:04:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 62e45da fanquake: build: remove glibc-back-compat from build system
234 2021-09-16T17:04:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a907704 fanquake: compat: remove glibc_compat.cpp
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237 2021-09-16T17:04:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22930: build: remove glibc back compat (master...remove_glibc_back_commpat) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22930
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240 2021-09-16T17:04:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #23000: net: update signet seeds (master...2021/09/signet-seed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23000
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254 2021-09-16T18:10:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22845: build: improve check for ::(w)system (master...dont_literally_use_have_or_have) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22845
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257 2021-09-16T18:17:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/82a85216c3a3...6ef84e050399
258 2021-09-16T18:17:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5984084 lsilva01: Specifies how to set the value of TORGROUP
259 2021-09-16T18:17:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6ef84e0 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22420: doc: Specifiy how to set the value of TORGROU...
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262 2021-09-16T18:17:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #22420: doc: Specifiy how to set the value of TORGROUP (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22420
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267 2021-09-16T18:27:01  <prayank> I had added some topic for meeting today according to bitcoin core wiki. It's 12 AM here and I want to sleep early today. Shared my thoughts here which most probably would not matter, but better than suggesting a topic and saying nothing: https://gist.github.com/prayank23/e385e31427989c47e715d61556772d02
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270 2021-09-16T18:54:26  <laanwj> ok, thanks for the heads up
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275 2021-09-16T19:04:00  <laanwj> #startmeeting
276 2021-09-16T19:04:00  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 16 19:04:00 2021 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
277 2021-09-16T19:04:00  <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
278 2021-09-16T19:04:49  <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
279 2021-09-16T19:04:51  <laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
280 2021-09-16T19:04:54  <kvaciral[m]> hi
281 2021-09-16T19:04:58  <achow101> hi
282 2021-09-16T19:05:04  <sipsorcery> hi
283 2021-09-16T19:05:27  <ajonas> hi
284 2021-09-16T19:05:38  <jonatack> hi
285 2021-09-16T19:05:49  <laanwj> there was one proposed meeting topic: Use database for `lockunspent` (prayank), but they couldn't be there for the meeting
286 2021-09-16T19:06:02  <laanwj> any last minute topics?
287 2021-09-16T19:06:07  <meshcollider> hi
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289 2021-09-16T19:06:41  <ajonas> I had a 5 second thing about a new IRC logger
290 2021-09-16T19:06:52  <achow101> #proposedmeetingtopic changing CFeeRate rounding
291 2021-09-16T19:07:43  <laanwj> thanks! let's start with high prio as usual
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293 2021-09-16T19:07:48  <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
294 2021-09-16T19:07:49  <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
295 2021-09-16T19:07:54  <b10c> hi
296 2021-09-16T19:08:11  <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8  7 blockers, 2 chasing concept ACK at the moment
297 2021-09-16T19:08:21  <laanwj> anything to add/remove, or that is (almost) ready for merge?
298 2021-09-16T19:08:42  <sipa> hi
299 2021-09-16T19:08:56  <amiti> can I have 22950 added?
300 2021-09-16T19:09:20  <laanwj> looks like #21859 needs rebase
301 2021-09-16T19:09:22  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21859 | Add minisketch subtree and integrate in build/test by sipa · Pull Request #21859 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
302 2021-09-16T19:09:33  <jonatack> #21526 likely RFM soon
303 2021-09-16T19:09:35  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21526 | validation: UpdateTip/CheckBlockIndex assumeutxo support by jamesob · Pull Request #21526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
304 2021-09-16T19:10:11  <laanwj> amiti: added!
305 2021-09-16T19:10:16  <laanwj> jonatack: great
306 2021-09-16T19:10:36  <amiti> thanks :)
307 2021-09-16T19:12:04  <laanwj> #topic New IRC logger (ajonas)
308 2021-09-16T19:12:05  <core-meetingbot> topic: New IRC logger (ajonas)
309 2021-09-16T19:12:15  <ajonas> Very quick - wanted to point out that Chaincode put up yet another IRC logger -- the twist is that this is searchable.
310 2021-09-16T19:12:20  <ajonas> https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/
311 2021-09-16T19:12:24  <ajonas> Feedback welcome.
312 2021-09-16T19:12:29  <ajonas> That's it
313 2021-09-16T19:12:32  <laanwj> that's really neat
314 2021-09-16T19:12:37  <harding> Nice!
315 2021-09-16T19:12:45  <b10c> bookmarked
316 2021-09-16T19:13:00  <laanwj> i wonder how we should handle this with the topic
317 2021-09-16T19:13:08  <sipa> not loading for me. and I'm in the chaincode office...
318 2021-09-16T19:13:13  <jonatack> nice! insta-pinned
319 2021-09-16T19:13:38  <harding> We could link to all the logs on the IRC channels wiki page and link that in the topic?
320 2021-09-16T19:13:41  <laanwj> it's getting quite long we can hardly add another logger url there
321 2021-09-16T19:13:51  <laanwj> yes, might be a better idea
322 2021-09-16T19:14:02  <laanwj> also the proposedmeetingtopic lists
323 2021-09-16T19:14:29  <laanwj> would be more organised than this way, at least
324 2021-09-16T19:14:53  <laanwj> #topic Changing CFeeRate rounding (achow101)
325 2021-09-16T19:14:54  <core-meetingbot> topic: Changing CFeeRate rounding (achow101)
326 2021-09-16T19:15:01  <jonatack> ajonas: not sure the analytics (gaug.es) is needed
327 2021-09-16T19:15:14  <jonatack> but very cool (thank you!)
328 2021-09-16T19:15:24  <ajonas> yeah, that's not hooked up to anything
329 2021-09-16T19:15:27  <ajonas> but happy to remove
330 2021-09-16T19:15:38  <achow101> currently CFeeRate::GetFee always rounds down (via truncation), but this seems to be incorrect behavior to me, although we have tests for it
331 2021-09-16T19:15:55  <achow101> it means that at some feerates and sizes, we end up paying a feerate that is less than intended
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333 2021-09-16T19:16:12  <achow101> this can also lead to an assertion failure in coin selection
334 2021-09-16T19:16:39  <laanwj> would "always round up" lead to better behavior?
335 2021-09-16T19:16:46  <achow101> I propose in #22949 that we change to rounding up, but there are concerns that this could affect policy
336 2021-09-16T19:16:48  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22949 | fee: Round up fee calculation to avoid a lower than expected feerate by achow101 · Pull Request #22949 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
337 2021-09-16T19:17:24  <achow101> so I just wanted to get more people familiar with policy to have a look at that and figure out whether it would actually affect policy
338 2021-09-16T19:17:50  <achow101> laanwj: yes. it both avoids the assertion failure, and guarantees that the targeted feerate is being met
339 2021-09-16T19:18:14  <laanwj> so for policy you'd ideally want to round down, but for the wallet up?
340 2021-09-16T19:18:27  <laanwj> could make it an explicit flag
341 2021-09-16T19:18:59  <achow101> I guess? I don't think it actually affects policy since GetFee is only used to get the minrelayfee and incremental relay fee
342 2021-09-16T19:19:22  <laanwj> if it doesn't affect policy then it's moot
343 2021-09-16T19:19:25  <achow101> it's a bit odd to me that policy and the wallet would have different behavior for calculating at the same feerate
344 2021-09-16T19:20:06  <laanwj> well one is for what you want paid, the other is for what you pay, it's different sides of the transaction
345 2021-09-16T19:22:17  <achow101> I'm pretty sure it has no affect on policy, but I don't know policy well enough to definiteively say so
346 2021-09-16T19:23:07  <laanwj> ok, that would be something to figure out for sure
347 2021-09-16T19:25:28  <laanwj> no one else weighing in now, i guess that concludes the topic
348 2021-09-16T19:25:38  <laanwj> anything else to discuss today?
349 2021-09-16T19:25:45  <jonatack> hm, few existing tests needed to be updated, given how much functional fee rate testing we have. will review
350 2021-09-16T19:27:14  <michaelfolkson> Just inform the mailing list that this change is being proposed if it is touching policy? I don't see any bad implications and neither does darosior on that issue you linked achow101
351 2021-09-16T19:28:23  <laanwj> yes, if it (noticibly) affects policy it would be good to discuss on the ml
352 2021-09-16T19:29:06  <michaelfolkson> I can't see there being any discussion but good to follow what is most likely best practice going forward
353 2021-09-16T19:30:02  <laanwj> that concludes the meeting i guess, thanks everyone
354 2021-09-16T19:30:04  <laanwj> #endmeeting
355 2021-09-16T19:30:04  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
356 2021-09-16T19:30:05  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Sep 16 19:30:04 2021 UTC.
357 2021-09-16T19:30:05  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-09-16-19.04.moin.txt
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360 2021-09-16T19:51:20  <jamesob> Hey, is anyone working on a patch for bitcoincoreorg that includes new binary verification instructions based on the aggregate sigs? If not I was going to start on a patch. cc dongcarl harding wumpus BlueMatt
361 2021-09-16T19:54:18  <harding> Not at the moment, would love your help!
362 2021-09-16T19:55:03  <achow101> while you're at it, perhaps update contrib/verifybinaries/verify.py
363 2021-09-16T19:55:28  <BlueMatt> or maybe do that and update bitcoincoreorg to just mention/point to that script?
364 2021-09-16T19:56:33  <BlueMatt> tho i guess that doesnt help winblowz users
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366 2021-09-16T19:58:38  <jamesob> cool, will get on it. Good idea about verify.py.
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368 2021-09-16T19:59:14  <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/bitcoin-core-dev-IRC-information a slightly more organized version of what's in the topic, with the new logger added
369 2021-09-16T19:59:14  <jamesob> BlueMatt: I would love to know how big the intersection is of people are both running on windows and have a serviceable gpg installation
370 2021-09-16T19:59:46  <BlueMatt> yea that too lol
371 2021-09-16T19:59:53  <achow101> there are a bunch of windows pgp/gpg software
372 2021-09-16T20:00:22  <BlueMatt> achow101: yes, but that make it easy to fetch trusted keys, verify a file, then hash-check other files based on that file?
373 2021-09-16T20:00:25  <jamesob> achow101: I'm sure the software's there, but users who run it...
374 2021-09-16T20:00:31  <BlueMatt> you'd also need a sha256sum copy...
375 2021-09-16T20:00:55  <BlueMatt> and, of people who have all those things, how many dont have python3?
376 2021-09-16T20:01:18  <laanwj> some people do verify signatures on windows
377 2021-09-16T20:01:27  <laanwj> manually, with a pgp program
378 2021-09-16T20:01:28  <jamesob> I'm sure someone in this room has some kind of elaborate cygwin/WSL setup, please chime in :)
379 2021-09-16T20:01:32  <achow101> windows has a different (GUI I think too) tool for calculating sha256 hashes
380 2021-09-16T20:01:57  <achow101> no automatic comparison like sha256sum though. I think people just verify the hashes match visually
381 2021-09-16T20:02:05  <laanwj> yes, it's a more manual process
382 2021-09-16T20:02:30  <achow101> the old verification docs had windows instructions
383 2021-09-16T20:02:31  <laanwj> it's always funny how GUIs are supposed to make things easier, but often make for more manual work
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385 2021-09-16T20:04:17  <sipa> gleb7: re your comment about addrman rationale... i do not remember
386 2021-09-16T20:08:34  <BlueMatt> jamesob: ideally the new script should be something that runs on bitcoincoreorg as well, preventing binaries from being uploaded unless it passes.
387 2021-09-16T20:10:34  <jamesob> BlueMatt: oh good point
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389 2021-09-16T20:13:11  <roconnor> has anyone reviewed the implementation of sha256sum?  I've been meaning to do it because I'm somewhat nervious that there exists some sort of obtuse input to it that would trick it into returning a successful comparision somehow.
390 2021-09-16T20:13:53  <laanwj> wouldn't need to upload binaries at all if bitcoincoreorg could do the guix build :)
391 2021-09-16T20:14:12  <laanwj> and produce the torrent, i guess
392 2021-09-16T20:14:39  <BlueMatt> probably could do that too, someone should totally make that happen :p
393 2021-09-16T20:15:30  <laanwj> roconnor: given how many projects rely on it it'd be a huge CVE if so
394 2021-09-16T20:16:31  <roconnor> Oh? Do lots of project rely on the sha256sum verificaiton mode?
395 2021-09-16T20:16:39  <BlueMatt> yes
396 2021-09-16T20:16:40  <laanwj> that said, i'm not sure it'd be an issue in our case? you *first* check the signatures, if they don't match, you don't verify the sha256sums at all, if the signatures match well... why would everyone sign a sha256sums that contains weird data
397 2021-09-16T20:16:48  <roconnor> That does make me feel better.
398 2021-09-16T20:17:00  <laanwj> yes, sha256sums -c is incredibly common in instructions
399 2021-09-16T20:17:31  <roconnor> okay I feel a little bit better then.
400 2021-09-16T20:18:12  <laanwj> and if you don't verify the PGP signatures at all and JOLO shasums256, you've not gained any security, because the same attacker replacing binaries could also replace that file
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402 2021-09-16T20:22:30  <roconnor> IIUC at least some of these signers are not using dedicated bitcoin signing keys, and thus may use the same key for signing emails or whatnot.
403 2021-09-16T20:23:21  <laanwj> yes, but they have to sign the specific file for it to work
404 2021-09-16T20:23:27  <BlueMatt> at least that way there's usually a pgp verification path, though of course these days its impossible to fetch signed pgp keys anymore cause all th keyservers are dead :(
405 2021-09-16T20:23:32  <roconnor> I get that it is far fetched, but you just need to get some threshold many of these entities to sign some email that happens to tickle sha256sum -c in some way.
406 2021-09-16T20:24:10  <roconnor> and, having not looked at sha256sum myself, my prior is that these text tools will correctly verify or report failure on well-formated text files.
407 2021-09-16T20:24:33  <roconnor> and invoke arbitrary behaviour on non-well-formed text files.
408 2021-09-16T20:24:47  <BlueMatt> luckily no one uses pgp signing in emails anymore :p
409 2021-09-16T20:25:13  <laanwj> let alone multiple people signing the same mail
410 2021-09-16T20:26:22  <laanwj> but sure it's not impossible
411 2021-09-16T20:27:15  <laanwj> if you're that level of paranoid you should probably run your own guix build and compare against other's output
412 2021-09-16T20:27:34  <roconnor> For the time being I've been manually checking the sha256sums, so I'm not too worried about becoming tricked by a improperly formated file.
413 2021-09-16T20:30:00  <roconnor> Just to be clear, I'm not actually worried.  I just want to understand where and how things could fail.
414 2021-09-16T20:31:15  <laanwj> sure, makes sense
415 2021-09-16T20:32:04  <harding> shasum on linux has an option to ignore invalid input, which was used on the BitcoinCore.org instructions.  For OSX, there's no such option, and I wonder if you could just insert a line in the SHASUMS file that said "bitcoin-22.0.blah.tar.gz SUCCESS" and make it look like it passed or something.  For the Windows instructions, I think you had to do by-eye verification anyway.
416 2021-09-16T20:32:27  <roconnor> harding: what is the option?
417 2021-09-16T20:32:43  <luke-jr> #12677 has 4 ACKs and some doc improvement suggestions; shall I address them and wait on re-acks, or would someone prefer to merge it and I do a followup doc improvement PR?\
418 2021-09-16T20:32:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12677 | RPC: Add ancestor{count,size,fees} to listunspent output by luke-jr · Pull Request #12677 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
419 2021-09-16T20:33:51  <harding> roconnor: sha256sum --ignore-missing --check SHA256SUMS.asc
420 2021-09-16T20:33:59  <harding> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/blob/2aeaa478532d93196e51b11f07cc0b066bb99aba/_includes/templates/download.html#L199
421 2021-09-16T20:34:31  <laanwj> luke-jr: I think it makes sense to address the small remaining comments before merge
422 2021-09-16T20:34:34  <luke-jr> k
423 2021-09-16T20:35:28  <laanwj> ignore-missing ignores missing files, which is necessary because the attestation attests to files (like un-codesigned intermediate output, debug files) that aren't shipped in the release
424 2021-09-16T20:36:19  <harding> Yeah, I guess I misremembered that.  It's actually used on BitcoinCore.org because we expect people to only download the binaries for their arch, so the other files listed in the SHASUMS won't be present (normally).
425 2021-09-16T20:36:32  <laanwj> (also, someone might not download all the files before verifying)
426 2021-09-16T20:36:39  <laanwj> right
427 2021-09-16T20:37:30  <harding> Still, it ends up printing a lot less random crap, which reduces the risk of introduced false positives or negatives.
428 2021-09-16T20:38:16  <laanwj> it prints the names of skipped files though, what if you call a file bitcoin-22.0.blah.tar.gz-SUCCESS :)
429 2021-09-16T20:38:38  <laanwj> or, no, it doesn't
430 2021-09-16T20:40:23  <roconnor> bicoin-22.0: SUCCESS : FAILED :)
431 2021-09-16T20:40:30  <roconnor> *bitcoin
432 2021-09-16T20:40:51  <roconnor> can filenames have carriage returns in them?
433 2021-09-16T20:43:09  <harding> roconnor: in Linux/modern Unixes, yes.  I don't know about how sha256sums handles that, but it brings up the question of whether you can put terminal ANSI escape sequences in a file name
434 2021-09-16T20:43:15  <sipa> $ echo >$'\n'
435 2021-09-16T20:43:28  <sipa> seems to work
436 2021-09-16T20:43:48  <harding> Yeah, I've created files with newlines by mistake lots of times over the years; they're kinda a pain to delete.
437 2021-09-16T20:44:39  <laanwj> our build system can't handle directories with spaces, please don't try even directories with newlines...
438 2021-09-16T20:46:21  <laanwj> i guess you can literally have any character in a filename except / and \0
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440 2021-09-16T20:47:13  <roconnor> Can you name a file "bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS\n"?  I'm having trouble doing this myself?
441 2021-09-16T20:47:41  <roconnor> er s/SUCCESS/OK ... but anyhow.
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443 2021-09-16T20:47:53  <laanwj> (will try, in /tmp to make sure the OS cleans it up next reboot)
444 2021-09-16T20:47:53  <sipa> echo >$'bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS\n'
445 2021-09-16T20:48:34  <sipa> $ sha256sum bitcoin*
446 2021-09-16T20:48:34  <sipa> \01ba4719c80b6fe911b091a7c05124b64eeece964e09c058ef8f9805daca546b  bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS\n
447 2021-09-16T20:48:48  <harding> sipa: I think you need echo -e
448 2021-09-16T20:48:54  <harding> I did: harding@ganymede:~$ touch "/tmp/bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS^M"
449 2021-09-16T20:48:55  <harding> harding@ganymede:~$ ls /tmp/bitcoin-0.22\:\ SUCCESS^M
450 2021-09-16T20:48:55  <harding> '/tmp/bitcoin-0.22: SUCCESS'$'\r'
451 2021-09-16T20:48:55  <laanwj> 'bitcoin-0.22: OK'$'\n' that's how ls shos it
452 2021-09-16T20:49:13  <sipa> harding: only difference is whether the resulting file is empty
453 2021-09-16T20:49:21  <sipa> harding: oh, no
454 2021-09-16T20:49:37  <sipa> still doesn't matter i think?
455 2021-09-16T20:49:39  <harding> Yeah, I think your file has a literal "\n" on the end.
456 2021-09-16T20:49:45  <sipa> the file or the filename?
457 2021-09-16T20:49:50  <harding> Filename.
458 2021-09-16T20:49:55  <roconnor> Thanks.  Doesn't appear to fool sha256sum into printing misleading output.
459 2021-09-16T20:49:58  <sipa> harding: no
460 2021-09-16T20:50:01  <roconnor> at least on linux.
461 2021-09-16T20:50:28  <harding> sipa: That's weird.  echo "\n" prints "\n" here, not a newline.
462 2021-09-16T20:50:33  <sipa> harding: the filename expansion and redirection is done by the shell
463 2021-09-16T20:50:40  <sipa> not echo
464 2021-09-16T20:50:41  <harding> Oh, right.
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466 2021-09-16T20:54:15  <laanwj> echo -e '906acc2401735cef66d0fa0080d3e22c9ae0cb7f65e64ce3dd6cb1df31507a52  \e[1;95mtest' |sha256sum -c
467 2021-09-16T20:54:47  <laanwj> heh
468 2021-09-16T20:57:20  <harding> Next time I start to think Bitcion is complicated, I'll have to remember to think about Unix.
469 2021-09-16T20:58:59  <roconnor> ugh
470 2021-09-16T20:59:06  <roconnor> that doesn't fill me with confidence.
471 2021-09-16T20:59:37  <roconnor> I'm going to keep thing purple to remind me to write my own operating system.
472 2021-09-16T21:00:14  <earnestly> Learning how to deal with filenames potentially containing newlines is far harder than writing your own operating system
473 2021-09-16T21:00:26  <laanwj> echo -e '906acc2401735cef66d0fa0080d3e22c9ae0cb7f65e64ce3dd6cb1df31507a52  \e[1Abitcoin-core-22.0.tar.gz: OK\e[0J\e[30m'|sha256sum -c
474 2021-09-16T21:00:45  <sipa> if i ever write an OS, the only allowed filename characters will be 0 and 1
475 2021-09-16T21:01:07  <laanwj> (it sets the text color to black to hide the text after it, so beware)
476 2021-09-16T21:01:53  <earnestly> If people want a good, opinionated guide to terminal control sequences, see: http://xn--rpa.cc/irl/term.html
477 2021-09-16T21:03:22  <laanwj> in any case --ignore-missing prevents this because it won't show the name for the missing file
478 2021-09-16T21:05:06  <laanwj> earnestly: thanks, i usually use the wikipedia page on 'ansi escape code', but that page is already purple so that's eveb better
479 2021-09-16T21:06:31  <earnestly> That and console_codes(4) is quite good as it highlights what is ECMA-48 (standard) as well
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482 2021-09-16T21:24:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] div72 closed pull request #22975: scripted-diff: update license URLs to https (master...https-copyright-header) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22975
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485 2021-09-16T22:07:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] JeremyRand opened pull request #23001: doc: Enable TLS in links in documentation (master...docs-tls) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23001
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496 2021-09-16T23:12:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #23002: Make descriptor wallets by default (master...default-desc-wallets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23002
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