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 11 2021-09-22T00:24:07  <instagibbs> prayank the mempool is only an "orderbook" if everyone has the same relay policy forever. There's a reason why the first cut of estimation was to use mempool->block measurements
 12 2021-09-22T00:27:07  <instagibbs> e.g., if you are a softfork behind(or censorship, same difference), you may over-bid by competing against things that won't confirm. I think a simple improvement could be to take the min of mempool and block estimates, but I'm not sure that solves what problem you're trying to solve
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 22 2021-09-22T00:50:07  <dviola> when I receive a tx in bitcoin core 22.0.0 the clock icon (before the date field) in the Transactions tab says I have 1 of 6 confirmations
 23 2021-09-22T00:50:35  <dviola> but if I double click on the tx it says "Status: 3/unconfirmed"
 24 2021-09-22T00:50:39  <dviola> bug?
 25 2021-09-22T00:51:31  <dviola> I mean the tooltip and the icon is wrong
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 88 2021-09-22T03:17:03  <prayank> instagibbs: 1. Not sure tbh how will things change if different mempool policies are used however it looks less likely in near future looking at the trend. Most users will run Bitcoin Core and they will use defaults. 2. Things are simple. There are blocks which get mined every few minutes. Blocks have limit based on vsize or weight. So everyone is bidding and competing to get their transactions confirmed. There is nothing to estimate or predict but
 89 2021-09-22T03:18:13  <prayank> This is the only thing users may need: https://fees.truelevel.io/#/btc
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163 2021-09-22T06:04:37  <instagibbs> first, assume a spherical global mempool ;)
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167 2021-09-22T06:15:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a8a272ac329d...51c7d88e6790
168 2021-09-22T06:15:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f6e4db2 Zero-1729: test: add aarch64-apple-darwin platform entry to get_previous_releases
169 2021-09-22T06:15:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 51c7d88 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22790: test: add aarch64-apple-darwin platform entry...
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201 2021-09-22T07:19:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23059: Revert "test: Add missing suppression signed-integer-overflow:addrman.cpp" (master...2109-testSanSupU) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23059
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203 2021-09-22T07:21:15  <paulo> is there a "wishlist" of features I can possibly work on?
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208 2021-09-22T07:30:55  <meshcollider> paulo: Best thing to do would be to check out the "issues" list on github :) there are tonnes of ideas there
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221 2021-09-22T08:10:49  <shiza> paulo: Stay away or you risk becoming maintainer!
222 2021-09-22T08:14:43  <paulo> shiza: what do you mean, is that a joke?
223 2021-09-22T08:14:54  <paulo> meshcollider: thanks!
224 2021-09-22T08:15:24  <paulo> I mean, I don't even C++
225 2021-09-22T08:16:31  <shiza> paulo: Yes it is a joke.
226 2021-09-22T08:16:39  <shiza> paulo: Don't C++. It's legacy.
227 2021-09-22T08:19:31  <shiza> That was a joke. I'll go away now.
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229 2021-09-22T08:19:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #23060: release: increase minimum compiler and lib(std)c++ requirements (master...23_0_min_compiler_libcpp_requires) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23060
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239 2021-09-22T08:38:29  <prayank> paulo: if you have things in wishlist that improve privacy in bitcoin core but you don't feel like creating an issue in the repository, feel free to write them down in a gist and share the link here. Will be helpful.
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241 2021-09-22T08:41:53  <meshcollider> prayank: I think they want to work on something, not add to the wishlist, based on the message :)
242 2021-09-22T08:42:44  <prayank> Sorry I misunderstood
243 2021-09-22T08:45:35  <prayank> paulo: There are lot of things to work on. You can start with https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22368 (It's less than 20 lines of code if correctly done but nobody wants to work on it for some reason)
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254 2021-09-22T09:16:09  <shiza> prayank: If you know it's less than 20 lines of code, why wouldn't you code it yourself? Maybe the issue you describe is not an important issue for paulo, and it's not labeled as good first issue and even have no concept ACKs. If you direct a newcomer towards a poorly welcomed issue, chances are his efforts could end up being for naught.
255 2021-09-22T09:16:52  <prayank> shiza: I tried. Failed. Have shared the details in the Stackexchange link.
256 2021-09-22T09:17:58  <prayank> This is an important issue. Improves privacy and pending since 2012.
257 2021-09-22T09:19:52  <prayank> It can get more than 10 concept ACKs if few influential devs ACK it or its discussed in core pr review club if you need ACKs before improving privacy
258 2021-09-22T09:22:23  <shiza> I know it's not the point right now, but there is no such thing as influential developers in peer directed projects.
259 2021-09-22T09:25:42  <prayank> I disagree and it's better if we don't discuss this. Efforts to fix this issue won't go waste.
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263 2021-09-22T09:33:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23061: Fix (inverse) meaning of -persistmempool (master...2109-fixArgParse) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23061
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273 2021-09-22T09:47:08  <MarcoFalke> paulo: See also https://github.com/MarcoFalke/bitcoin-core/issues/18 for an entry point to getting started (if you need one)
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290 2021-09-22T10:40:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/51c7d88e6790...971cad475f38
291 2021-09-22T10:40:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa45a13 MarcoFalke: refactor: Remove unused validation includes
292 2021-09-22T10:40:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 971cad4 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23044: refactor: Remove unused validation includes
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295 2021-09-22T10:40:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23044: refactor: Remove unused validation includes (master...2109-valInc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23044
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329 2021-09-22T12:24:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23064: fuzz: Fix memory leak in system fuzz target (master...2109-fuzzMemLeakSys) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23064
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332 2021-09-22T12:27:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider opened pull request #23065: Allow UTXO locks to be written to wallet DB (master...202109_lockunspent_persistence) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23065
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334 2021-09-22T12:27:49  <meshcollider> prayank: ^
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376 2021-09-22T14:00:30  <dviola> sipa: someone already reported it: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/issues/429
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390 2021-09-22T14:29:20  <michaelfolkson> laanwj: What is/was the answer to this question? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9919#issuecomment-841577083
391 2021-09-22T14:30:37  <michaelfolkson> Presumably not using http with UNIX socket support was how c-lightning got it to work without needing the PR to libevent?
392 2021-09-22T14:31:55  <michaelfolkson> I'm guessing it has to be http for some reason but not sure why
393 2021-09-22T14:34:16  <sipa> michaelfolkson: c-lightning just calls bitcoin-cli
394 2021-09-22T14:34:33  <sipa> and you can implement HTTP without libevent; it's just a pain to get right
395 2021-09-22T14:36:28  <sipa> as for why JSON-RPC has to be HTTP.. i guess that's the standard approach, but just using a plain line based protocol could work too... that would be easier to implement, but perhaps breaks compatibility with other intended applications?
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397 2021-09-22T14:36:57  <sipa> this sort of stuff is generally up to whoever ends up implementing it... and i suspect laanwj lost interest in it
398 2021-09-22T14:41:06  <darosior> I think michaelfolkson refered to C-lightning's JSONRPC interface in which case the answer is: C-lightning doesn't use HTTP, it just sends the JSONRPC messages through the socket
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400 2021-09-22T14:43:52  <sipa> ah, i see
401 2021-09-22T14:44:17  <michaelfolkson> darosior: Right, I guess there are different configurations of the server-client relationship. Server=Core Client=c-lightning is one. Server=c-lightning Client=c-lightning plugins is another.
402 2021-09-22T14:44:57  <michaelfolkson> And with UNIX sockets in Core you could maybe do Core plugins or at least a Python client connecting to Core
403 2021-09-22T14:47:32  <sipa> you can already have a python client connecting to corr
404 2021-09-22T14:47:44  <sipa> that's what the functional test framework uses
405 2021-09-22T14:48:03  <darosior> And plugins ala C-lightning is orthogonal to the transport used
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407 2021-09-22T14:52:03  <michaelfolkson> darosior: This should probably be in the c-lightning channel but c-lightning plugins use UNIX sockets right? That's what is in pyln-client. Your point is they don't have to but they currently do?
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409 2021-09-22T14:52:34  <sipa> yes, they just some means of communication
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411 2021-09-22T14:56:49  <michaelfolkson> Ok thanks. So the answer to my original question is most likely breaking compatibility, makes sense. And that's most likely why laanwj stuck with http and went the libevent PR route
412 2021-09-22T14:57:08  <sipa> yes, this is mostly a non-technical issue
413 2021-09-22T14:57:53  <sipa> *anything* could have been chosen for bitcoin core's RPC interface, but the one that was chosen was json-rpc over http with user/pass authentication
414 2021-09-22T14:58:08  <sipa> and it's reasonable to expect that to keep working
415 2021-09-22T14:58:47  <sipa> in any case, back on topic: i don't see any problem personally with adding support for unix sockets rpc server / client that uses plain json-rpc lines, if someone wants to work on that
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417 2021-09-22T15:01:44  <michaelfolkson> Oh in addition rather than as a replacement.... yes that could work. Perhaps downsides of code replication, maintenance burden of having two approaches?
418 2021-09-22T15:02:50  <sipa> unix sockets is inherently limited to local communication, so it would always be in addition to
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422 2021-09-22T15:08:04  <michaelfolkson> It is recommended to not enable Core RPC connections over public internet but UNIX sockets wouldn't allow that use case at all and we want to support that if it is SSL wrapped?
423 2021-09-22T15:08:06  <sipa> but yes, that's the advantage of using http-based json-rpc... being able to reuse more code (then again, line-based is so simple that there is probably just not that much to add)
424 2021-09-22T15:08:28  <sipa> you can also use bitcoin core RPC in a local trusted network
425 2021-09-22T15:08:34  <sipa> or over a VPN or so
426 2021-09-22T15:10:09  <michaelfolkson> Gotcha, thanks
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446 2021-09-22T15:55:55  <jeremyrubin> I think what we'd want is to remove the http support from Bitcoin core and then build a separate binary with a simple http proxy to it
447 2021-09-22T15:56:31  <jeremyrubin> That doesn't even have to live in core.
448 2021-09-22T15:56:45  <sipa> that's also a possibility, but probably not a short-term one
449 2021-09-22T15:56:55  <sipa> (also, unix domain sockets don't exist on windows...)
450 2021-09-22T15:56:59  <jeremyrubin> It would be a breaking change so would be a maj release
451 2021-09-22T15:57:15  <jeremyrubin> I think they have something that can be used the same way these days
452 2021-09-22T15:57:24  <sipa> right, but we'd need that too :)
453 2021-09-22T15:57:58  <jeremyrubin> I think it's basically the exact same
454 2021-09-22T15:58:41  <darosior> Windows does support Unix Domain Sockets since W10
455 2021-09-22T15:58:45  <jeremyrubin> Just different headers and negative FDs
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457 2021-09-22T16:06:49  <jeremyrubin> I think over the span of a few releases could reasonably do deprecated, not built by default, removed.
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463 2021-09-22T16:30:01  <laanwj> yes, modern windows has them too
464 2021-09-22T16:36:51  <laanwj> i might give 'simple line protocol over UNIX socket' a try, if there is really enthousiasm for adding such a thing; at least i don't have to fight libevent's http client then, that's what i lost interest in
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468 2021-09-22T16:43:05  <laanwj> i guess the only context information from HTTP that is used inside RPC calls is the wallet name from the path, in case of wallet RPC calls
469 2021-09-22T16:44:50  <laanwj> but would be straightforward to wrap in an object that provides the context otherwise, e.g. { 'wallet': 'name', 'params': {...} }
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476 2021-09-22T16:57:06  <jeremyrubin> i guess the only other question is the rest API thing?
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478 2021-09-22T16:58:39  <jeremyrubin> that also seems like stuff that should just be a proxy over core tho
479 2021-09-22T16:58:58  <jeremyrubin> (or just removed and see if anyone complains?)
480 2021-09-22T17:01:57  <laanwj> rest is very closely bound to http, how i imagine this would purely be for RPC calls (all information on rest is also available through RPC it's 'extra')
481 2021-09-22T17:02:59  <laanwj> i think that could very well be an optional thing that people can enable if they want it
482 2021-09-22T17:03:56  <laanwj> sharing the http server between rest and the json-rpc interface was always a bit questionable, they are separate things
483 2021-09-22T17:05:22  <jeremyrubin> laanwj does anyone use the rest interface in practice?
484 2021-09-22T17:05:56  <laanwj> i have no idea
485 2021-09-22T17:06:39  <jeremyrubin> i've never heard of anyone using it either
486 2021-09-22T17:06:45  <laanwj> it's much faster than JSON-RPC for some things as it saves on formatting and the info can (basically) directly be dumped to the socket
487 2021-09-22T17:10:12  <laanwj> though it's not as great as it sounds, i wanted to add a rest call for streaming utxo data once (without buffering it in memory first), but libevent's http server wouldn't let me due to not really being thread safe
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489 2021-09-22T17:12:58  <laanwj> mostly it's not even issues with http itself we run against, but issues with libevent's http, but adding another dependency for http would be not nice
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493 2021-09-22T17:17:51  <jeremyrubin> laanwj i think given that there are few users for rest (most likely) we could ship a /share script with a python http proxy for rest, altho performance might suffer a bit (maybe we add a raw response mode for the json rpcs if it's a concern?)
494 2021-09-22T17:20:19  <laanwj> yes...
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497 2021-09-22T17:22:51  <laanwj> in the case where we directly 'own' the socket, and the protocol is up to us to define, in principle it could reply in a different way than a line with JSON on it if so requested, this does make clients that want to support that more complex, so everything should at least support JSON line in JSON line out
498 2021-09-22T17:24:11  <laanwj> honestly that kind of thing seems far enough away, i'm not sure it's worth spendng time on, it works as it does now, not sure about the added benefit of doing things slightly different
499 2021-09-22T17:25:23  <laanwj> i think my reply on twitter was more hypothetical, in a perfect clean-slate world where you don't have to balance so many different concerns and backwards compatibility, it would have been nice
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576 2021-09-22T20:32:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #23067: Adding link to original bitcoin whitepaper (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23067
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587 2021-09-22T21:02:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] katesalazar opened pull request #23068: Add aliases to the `-chain` param (master...20210922) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23068
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612 2021-09-22T21:54:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] amjadshaheed opened pull request #23070: Bitcoinrupee (master...Bitcoinrupee) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23070
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620 2021-09-22T22:03:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky closed pull request #22937: refactor: Forbid calling unsafe fs::path(std::string) constructor and fs::path::string() method (master...pr/u8path) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22937
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623 2021-09-22T22:03:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky reopened pull request #22937: refactor: Forbid calling unsafe fs::path(std::string) constructor and fs::path::string() method (master...pr/u8path) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22937
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627 2021-09-22T22:08:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #23070: Bitcoinrupee (master...Bitcoinrupee) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23070
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649 2021-09-22T22:58:54  <fanquake> Looking for opinions on whether we want to merge #22858 and cut an rc3 for 0.21.2. As we we really should get that out soon. If not, we could just about tag final.
650 2021-09-22T22:58:55  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22858 | [0.21] Potential rc3 backports by fanquake · Pull Request #22858 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
651 2021-09-22T23:00:12  <fanquake> As for 0.20.2rc3, jonasschnelli: are you able to push some sigs up https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-detached-sigs/tree/0.20 ?
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