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173 2021-09-23T06:43:12  <laanwj> fanquake: so is #21330 critical enough to warrant doing another rc, instead of simply moving on with final?
174 2021-09-23T06:43:14  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21330 | Deal with missing data in signature hashes more consistently by sipa · Pull Request #21330 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
175 2021-09-23T06:44:27  <laanwj> i'm not sure, there's always something last minute that could be considered, but that way you'll be doing rc's forever
176 2021-09-23T06:44:45  <fanquake> laanwj: it was just mentioned in #22720 that we could do it. Although given no review / feedback I'd be happy to drop that change from the PR, and just do the doc change, which wouldn't need a new RC either
177 2021-09-23T06:44:46  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22720 | v0.21.2 Testing · Issue #22720 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
178 2021-09-23T06:45:33  <fanquake> That way we could just merge that PR, with the doc addition, and move onto tagging final
179 2021-09-23T06:45:36  <laanwj> exactly, the doc change could go in without an rc
180 2021-09-23T06:46:08  <fanquake> I'll drop the other change out of that PR. We should be getting 0.21.2 out soon.
181 2021-09-23T06:46:17  <laanwj> sgtm
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184 2021-09-23T06:56:50  <laanwj> a shorter rc cycle is generally enough for minor releases, as there aren't new features or large changes, no regressions have been reported so i think this one has been long enough
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207 2021-09-23T07:53:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa10fbc MarcoFalke: doc: Fix RPC result documentation
208 2021-09-23T07:53:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faecb2e fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22798: doc: Fix RPC result documentation
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221 2021-09-23T08:12:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa08d4c MarcoFalke: Use C++11 member initializer in CTxMemPoolEntry
222 2021-09-23T08:12:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3120bce fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23054: Use C++11 member initializer in CTxMemPoolEnt...
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225 2021-09-23T08:12:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23054: Use C++11 member initializer in CTxMemPoolEntry (master...2109-cpp11MemberInitMempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23054
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229 2021-09-23T08:21:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa5e8c1 MarcoFalke: Revert "test: Add missing suppression signed-integer-overflow:addrman.cpp"...
230 2021-09-23T08:21:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b8cca9c fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23059: test: Revert "Add missing suppression signed-...
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233 2021-09-23T08:21:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23059: test: Revert "Add missing suppression signed-integer-overflow:addrman.cpp" (master...2109-testSanSupU) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23059
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239 2021-09-23T08:32:16  <fanquake> Chasing opinions in #23060. Increasing our minimum compiler and lib(std)c++ requirements a little is another step towards  using std::filesystem, and taking advantage of more C++17.
240 2021-09-23T08:32:18  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23060 | release: increase minimum compiler and lib(std)c++ requirements by fanquake · Pull Request #23060 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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247 2021-09-23T08:41:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c78eb86 glozow: [policy/refactor] pass in relay fee instead of using global
248 2021-09-23T08:41:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3cf46f6 glozow: [doc] improve RBF documentation
249 2021-09-23T08:41:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c6abeb7 glozow: make MAX_BIP125_RBF_SEQUENCE constexpr
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252 2021-09-23T08:41:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22855: RBF move 3/3: move followups + improve RBF documentation (master...2021-09-rbf-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22855
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259 2021-09-23T08:50:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh opened pull request #23072: refactor: Remove unnecessary timing of Callbacks bench (master...23071_remove_callback_bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23072
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270 2021-09-23T09:13:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b69a106 Jon Atack: test: use test_framework.p2p P2P_SERVICES in functional tests
271 2021-09-23T09:13:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 86c3b84 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23036: test: use test_framework.p2p `P2P_SERVICES` c...
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301 2021-09-23T10:08:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to 0.21: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/97d3500601c1...af591f2068d0
302 2021-09-23T10:08:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 f78570e Pieter Wuille: doc: mention bech32m/BIP350 in doc/descriptors.md
303 2021-09-23T10:08:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 6c102a6 fanquake: release: bump RC to 0 (-final)
304 2021-09-23T10:08:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 af591f2 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22858: [0.21] Final changes for 0.21.2
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307 2021-09-23T10:08:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22858: [0.21] Final changes for 0.21.2 (0.21...potential_0_21_rc3_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22858
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357 2021-09-23T11:39:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f2747d1 W. J. van der Laan: build: Restrict check for CRC32C intrinsic to aarch64
358 2021-09-23T11:39:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cdce149 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23045: build: Restrict check for CRC32C intrinsic to...
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387 2021-09-23T12:40:59  <laanwj> btw, wasn't there discussion about removing timedata at some point?
388 2021-09-23T12:42:13  <sipa> I vaguely remember.
389 2021-09-23T12:42:52  <laanwj> #23057 just reminded me it still exists
390 2021-09-23T12:42:54  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23057 | log: Consolidate timedata logging by mzumsande · Pull Request #23057 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
391 2021-09-23T12:47:13  <laanwj> (not meant as commentary on that PR, i'm testing it)
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401 2021-09-23T13:09:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cdce149050c9...95b16e70a8b7
402 2021-09-23T13:09:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ab27800 Douglas Chimento: log: Remove unnecessary timing logs for Callbacks bench
403 2021-09-23T13:09:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 95b16e7 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23072: log: Remove unnecessary timing of Callbacks b...
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406 2021-09-23T13:09:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23072: log: Remove unnecessary timing of Callbacks bench (master...23071_remove_callback_bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23072
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444 2021-09-23T14:24:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] darosior opened pull request #23074: Package-aware fee estimation (master...fee_est_cpfp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23074
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453 2021-09-23T14:42:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] darosior opened pull request #23075: refactoring: Fee estimation functional test cleanups (master...fee_est_test_cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23075
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459 2021-09-23T14:51:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #23076: Pass CFeeRate and CTxMemPool in-params by reference to const (master...feerate-and-txmempool-fixups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23076
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462 2021-09-23T14:56:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/95b16e70a8b7...d8b4b3077fd2
463 2021-09-23T14:56:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 64e1ddd Martin Zumsande: log: call LogPrint only once with time data samples
464 2021-09-23T14:56:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d8b4b30 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23057: log: Consolidate timedata logging
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467 2021-09-23T14:56:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #23057: log: Consolidate timedata logging (master...202109_log_timedata) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23057
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479 2021-09-23T15:18:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #23077: Full CJDNS support (master...cjdns) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23077
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491 2021-09-23T15:48:42  <jnewbery> Could someone block blockskillally from the repo?
492 2021-09-23T15:49:35  <sipa> way ahead of you
493 2021-09-23T15:49:43  <jnewbery> thanks!
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495 2021-09-23T15:56:29  <jonatack> vasild: nice!
496 2021-09-23T15:57:15  <vasild> :)
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530 2021-09-23T16:05:28  <jonatack> vasild: fwiw, consider adding #21943 to hi-priority, during 3 days of running it i saw a reduction in lock contentions with it
531 2021-09-23T16:05:32  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21943 | Dedup and RAII-fy the creation of a copy of CConnman::vNodes by vasild · Pull Request #21943 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
532 2021-09-23T16:06:26  <vasild> that is a nice, unintended side effect! :-D
533 2021-09-23T16:08:49  <jonatack> yes, on mainnet the most frequent contentions I see are the cs_vNodes ones, and many/most on them were replaced by only a handful of connman.cs_vNodes contention *per hour* instead...grep "connman.cs_vNodes" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
534 2021-09-23T16:09:47  <vasild> \o/
535 2021-09-23T16:10:54  <vasild> How do I add it to hi-prio?
536 2021-09-23T16:11:21  <jonatack> ask here for it to be added
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538 2021-09-23T16:12:34  <sipa> vasild: added
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540 2021-09-23T16:12:48  <vasild> Thanks!
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542 2021-09-23T16:14:04  <vasild> one of those Sock'ification PRs needs a rebase, but I decided to ignore it until I submit the cjdns PR
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544 2021-09-23T16:15:29  <vasild> IIRC the code emitted a warning on windows which at the time CI was run on the PR was non-fatal, so CI was/is green. However after that master changed treating of warnings on windows to errors, so now if re-run it will fail.
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546 2021-09-23T16:16:45  <jonatack> vasild: at any rate am curious if you or others see a reduction in contentions too
547 2021-09-23T16:17:25  <vasild> must be, but I never ran with -debug=lock
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569 2021-09-23T17:26:05  <darosior> Can someone re-kick CI on #23075 please? Have a 'Failed to start an instance! CreateContainerError: context deadline exceeded' error
570 2021-09-23T17:26:06  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23075 | refactoring: Fee estimation functional test cleanups by darosior · Pull Request #23075 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
571 2021-09-23T17:35:03  <laanwj> sure
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583 2021-09-23T18:05:00  <fi3> Hi everyone, I would like to discuss (in the coming meeting) about importing a rust library
584 2021-09-23T18:05:00  <fi3> in core. In a comment on this PR https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23049 luke-jr point out
585 2021-09-23T18:05:01  <fi3> that using a rust library in core is not feasible "until a secure bootstrap without trusted
586 2021-09-23T18:05:01  <fi3> third party binaries is practical". But if guix is used to build the library you are using a secure
587 2021-09-23T18:05:02  <fi3> bootstrapped compiler.
588 2021-09-23T18:05:02  <fi3> What is the procedure to follow in order to request to discuss something in a meeting? ty
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595 2021-09-23T18:22:29  <sipa> #proposedwalletmeetingtopic (by fi3) rust library in bitcoin core (23049)
596 2021-09-23T18:23:19  <fi3> thanks
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610 2021-09-23T18:52:15  <michaelfolkson> fi3: Did you want to discuss in the wallet meeting tomorrow or today's general Core meeting?
611 2021-09-23T18:52:52  <sipa> ... what does this have to do with the wallet?
612 2021-09-23T18:53:08  <michaelfolkson> #proposedwalletmeetingtopic
613 2021-09-23T18:53:22  <fi3> hi I think that it is more suited for the today meeting
614 2021-09-23T18:53:48  <sipa> michaelfolkson: oh, oops!
615 2021-09-23T18:53:56  <michaelfolkson> #proposedmeetingtopic  (by fi3) rust library in bitcoin core (23049)
616 2021-09-23T18:54:05  <michaelfolkson> sipa: :)
617 2021-09-23T18:54:07  <fi3> thanks
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620 2021-09-23T18:58:34  <michaelfolkson> fi3: There may have been advancements since this was discussed last but some context from previous discussions on Rust is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17090
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622 2021-09-23T19:00:14  <laanwj> #startmeeting
623 2021-09-23T19:00:14  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 23 19:00:14 2021 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
624 2021-09-23T19:00:14  <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
625 2021-09-23T19:00:29  <achow101> hi
626 2021-09-23T19:00:31  <fi3> michaelfolkson: I think that when was discussed guix wasn't already the way to go for release builds. Is that correct?
627 2021-09-23T19:00:32  <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
628 2021-09-23T19:00:34  <laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
629 2021-09-23T19:00:39  <kvaciral[m]> hi
630 2021-09-23T19:00:43  <kanzure> hi
631 2021-09-23T19:00:49  <michaelfolkson> hi
632 2021-09-23T19:00:50  <dongcarl> hi
633 2021-09-23T19:00:56  <fi3> hi
634 2021-09-23T19:00:57  <jarolrod> hi
635 2021-09-23T19:00:58  <meshcollider> hi
636 2021-09-23T19:00:59  <jonatack> hi
637 2021-09-23T19:01:16  <laanwj> one proposed topic this week: rust library in bitcoin core (fi3)
638 2021-09-23T19:01:21  <laanwj> any last minute topic suggestions?
639 2021-09-23T19:01:48  <sipsorcery> hi
640 2021-09-23T19:03:02  <laanwj> PSA: 0.21.2 final has been tagged today
641 2021-09-23T19:03:43  <laanwj> time to dust off the gitian builder if you still have one
642 2021-09-23T19:03:59  <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
643 2021-09-23T19:03:59  <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
644 2021-09-23T19:04:30  <laanwj> according to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8   9 blockers, 2 chasing concept ACK
645 2021-09-23T19:04:50  <laanwj> anything to add, remove or that is ready for merge?
646 2021-09-23T19:06:10  <laanwj> nothing at all?
647 2021-09-23T19:06:21  <jonatack> #21526 rfm?
648 2021-09-23T19:06:25  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21526 | validation: UpdateTip/CheckBlockIndex assumeutxo support by jamesob · Pull Request #21526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
649 2021-09-23T19:07:02  <laanwj> jonatack: will take a look, thanks
650 2021-09-23T19:07:37  <michaelfolkson> Bitcoin Core PR review club on #22950 next week
651 2021-09-23T19:07:39  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22950 | [p2p] Pimpl AddrMan to abstract implementation details by amitiuttarwar · Pull Request #22950 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
652 2021-09-23T19:08:10  <laanwj> michaelfolkson: great!
653 2021-09-23T19:09:06  <laanwj> #topic rust library in bitcoin core (fi3)
654 2021-09-23T19:09:06  <core-meetingbot> topic: rust library in bitcoin core (fi3)
655 2021-09-23T19:09:40  <fi3> What do you think about using rust libraries in core? My understanding is that big blocker was trust
656 2021-09-23T19:09:40  <fi3> rustc binary. Now that guix is used to build release the that problem should be solved as the
657 2021-09-23T19:09:40  <fi3> binary to trust are the same for cpp and rust.
658 2021-09-23T19:09:50  <luke-jr> it's not
659 2021-09-23T19:09:54  <luke-jr> Rust itself is untrustable
660 2021-09-23T19:10:09  <sipa> why? it can be bootstrapped with a C compiler?
661 2021-09-23T19:10:11  <dongcarl> ?
662 2021-09-23T19:10:12  <luke-jr> no, it can';t
663 2021-09-23T19:10:18  <BlueMatt> yes it can\
664 2021-09-23T19:10:21  <BlueMatt> and is
665 2021-09-23T19:10:26  <luke-jr> sorry, I meant Guix there
666 2021-09-23T19:10:27  <fi3> in guix is bootstrapped from cpp
667 2021-09-23T19:10:31  <BlueMatt> almost all distro rustc is bootstrapped from cpp
668 2021-09-23T19:10:33  <fi3> then ocaml
669 2021-09-23T19:10:38  <laanwj> fi3: is it for an optional feature?
670 2021-09-23T19:10:41  <luke-jr> Guix requires a trusted third-party binary
671 2021-09-23T19:10:47  <luke-jr> several IIRC
672 2021-09-23T19:10:50  <BlueMatt> not anymore, its not built from ocaml, its usually built from mrustc now
673 2021-09-23T19:10:54  <fi3> yes if for an optional feature
674 2021-09-23T19:11:05  <sipa> luke-jr: please, not that argument again. Guix is how we build releases.
675 2021-09-23T19:11:13  <laanwj> i don't think we should require rust for build at this point, but introducing it at some point for optional features sounds fine to me
676 2021-09-23T19:11:14  <luke-jr> sipa: we support more than just static binaries
677 2021-09-23T19:11:31  <luke-jr> if we are going to only support Guix, that's just abusrd
678 2021-09-23T19:11:38  <sipa> luke-jr: of course not
679 2021-09-23T19:11:44  <BlueMatt> I dunno if stratumv2 as an optional feature makes sense, at least unless there's parallel release builds "for miners"
680 2021-09-23T19:11:47  <BlueMatt> which I think would be ok
681 2021-09-23T19:12:01  <BlueMatt> no reason for most nodes to have it built-in, but ideally there would also be release builds with it
682 2021-09-23T19:12:09  <BlueMatt> if its only available via self-compile I think that'd suck
683 2021-09-23T19:12:13  <fi3> BlueMatt: why not optional?
684 2021-09-23T19:12:31  <BlueMatt> i think requiring self-compile does limit peoples' willingness to run things a lot
685 2021-09-23T19:12:33  <BlueMatt> sadly
686 2021-09-23T19:12:40  <fi3> ok
687 2021-09-23T19:12:44  <sipa> one step at a time
688 2021-09-23T19:12:53  <BlueMatt> but, again, having it be optional with a parallel release track would be fine, and that would hopefully address most concerns?
689 2021-09-23T19:12:53  <laanwj> 'making it optional' and 'making it part of the release binaries' are distinct things
690 2021-09-23T19:13:08  <BlueMatt> but, sure, also doesn't have to happen for the first release with it
691 2021-09-23T19:13:16  <BlueMatt> true
692 2021-09-23T19:13:20  <laanwj> making it optional means that it is still possible to compile bitcoind, albeit lacking some features, on a system without rust installed
693 2021-09-23T19:13:31  <sipa> ^
694 2021-09-23T19:13:32  <laanwj> which is imo important
695 2021-09-23T19:13:36  <achow101> it could be optional in the same way the wallet is optional
696 2021-09-23T19:13:39  <BlueMatt> yea, ok, fair, definitely should be optional in that sense
697 2021-09-23T19:14:01  <fi3> agree
698 2021-09-23T19:14:05  <laanwj> tor did a similar thing
699 2021-09-23T19:14:26  <dongcarl> laanwj: autoconf default=auto is what you mean by "optional"?
700 2021-09-23T19:15:03  <laanwj> dongcarl: having an autoconf option at all is optional
701 2021-09-23T19:16:02  <laanwj> but yes, in Tor's case it will simply go through configure (and i suppose, disable some things) if you configure without a rust compiler installed
702 2021-09-23T19:16:59  <BlueMatt> ok, seems like there's relative agreement that its ok to move forward here, given its optional?
703 2021-09-23T19:17:17  <dongcarl> right yeah I think that we can all agree on, how about whether to ship it for release binaries?
704 2021-09-23T19:17:26  <sipa> i did comment on the PR with a few questions
705 2021-09-23T19:17:30  <BlueMatt> i dont think we need to decide that for first release
706 2021-09-23T19:17:31  <laanwj> yes, i think it was the same last time, everyone apart from luke-jr probably :)
707 2021-09-23T19:17:33  <dongcarl> we can also punt the release binaries question for later
708 2021-09-23T19:17:34  <luke-jr> how about just having it C++ like PR author said he could?
709 2021-09-23T19:17:50  <BlueMatt> probably answer is no for first release, but definitely want it for release builds sooner rather than later
710 2021-09-23T19:18:03  <BlueMatt> i guess if the guix changes are ready it can/should go in the first release with it, but no reason to block on that imo
711 2021-09-23T19:18:25  <laanwj> right, i am not comfortable with making a decision about the release binaries yet
712 2021-09-23T19:18:48  <luke-jr> at the very least, release binaries would be much more changes, so belong in a later PR
713 2021-09-23T19:18:49  <laanwj> it depends on just how big a dependency tree is imported by this, it always worries me a bit with rust things
714 2021-09-23T19:18:55  <BlueMatt> yep
715 2021-09-23T19:19:03  <BlueMatt> laanwj: fwiw, there is no non-tree dependency here
716 2021-09-23T19:19:05  <luke-jr> but there's no benefit to Rust over C++, so it would make far more sense to just do it as C++
717 2021-09-23T19:19:07  <BlueMatt> and the current pr does *not* use cargo
718 2021-09-23T19:19:09  <BlueMatt> only rustc directly
719 2021-09-23T19:19:18  <michaelfolkson> This isn't a Rust question but this is the Stratum v2 that Braiins is using? Anyone else? Is this the right time to support Stratum v2 in Core?
720 2021-09-23T19:19:20  <BlueMatt> (cargo being the thing that fetches code from the internet, rustc being just the compiler)
721 2021-09-23T19:19:25  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: there's no rust stdlib dep?
722 2021-09-23T19:19:35  <BlueMatt> yes, rustc bundles libstd
723 2021-09-23T19:20:00  <sipa> luke-jr: that's a good question - if this is Rust code that is being developed and used by several projects, i think it is preferable to be able to use that code, over demanding a rewrite in C++
724 2021-09-23T19:20:03  <BlueMatt> michaelfolkson: chicken-and-egg problem. but its not a "just baiins" thing, look at it more as a replacement for getblocktemplate in this case
725 2021-09-23T19:20:19  <BlueMatt> michaelfolkson: this is only the "provide block template" part
726 2021-09-23T19:20:30  <laanwj> BlueMatt: that's very good
727 2021-09-23T19:20:36  <BlueMatt> nothing more than that, and we should expect other pools to switch to this for several reasons over getblocktemplate
728 2021-09-23T19:20:46  <sipa> if this is Rust code that is being developed now with the sole purpose of using it in Bitcoin Core, I too would prefer it being written in C++
729 2021-09-23T19:20:48  <BlueMatt> even if no users ever use it it would still be a pretty big win for several reasons
730 2021-09-23T19:20:57  <michaelfolkson> BlueMatt: Yeah that's fair. Including this could help the chicken and egg problem I'm guessing
731 2021-09-23T19:21:02  <fi3> luke-jr: that is a rust library that is intended to be used also for other project than core
732 2021-09-23T19:21:21  <fi3> sipa: same as above
733 2021-09-23T19:21:28  <sipa> fi3: ok, good
734 2021-09-23T19:21:40  <luke-jr> miners and pools using only anti-bootstrappable binaries would be a security concern for Bitcoin too
735 2021-09-23T19:22:04  <dongcarl> luke-jr: Are you unable to bootstrap rust on your own system?
736 2021-09-23T19:22:09  <luke-jr> dongcarl: correct
737 2021-09-23T19:22:25  <BlueMatt> pools have complained that getblocktemplate is horrendously ineffecient for years, it needs to go, plus there's some other nice wins, see eg the second two bullets at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23049#issuecomment-926009122
738 2021-09-23T19:22:25  <dongcarl> luke-jr: Because mrustc doesn't have a powerpc port, is that right?
739 2021-09-23T19:22:36  <luke-jr> dongcarl: I tried on x86_64 too
740 2021-09-23T19:22:51  <luke-jr> dongcarl: I have not tried again int he past week since someone apparetnly got ppc64le to work, though
741 2021-09-23T19:23:02  <BlueMatt> anyway, it seems we can move on from this topic
742 2021-09-23T19:23:19  <laanwj> yes
743 2021-09-23T19:23:20  <BlueMatt> i dunno if there's more to be said, the pr discussion is active.
744 2021-09-23T19:23:38  <dongcarl> 👍
745 2021-09-23T19:23:56  <laanwj> it's always the same bootstrappign discussion, i would be first to agree it's a horrendously difficult problem but we're not going to solve that here
746 2021-09-23T19:23:59  <laanwj> any other topics?
747 2021-09-23T19:24:14  <luke-jr> laanwj: we don't have to solve it here, so long as we don't use Rust until they solve it ;)
748 2021-09-23T19:24:29  <laanwj> luke-jr: so are you bootstrapping your C compiler from TTL logic?
749 2021-09-23T19:24:52  <luke-jr> laanwj: from some pre-Bitcoin C compiler, ultilately
750 2021-09-23T19:25:43  <luke-jr> (yes, my migration to PPC64 was done by cross-compiling everything initially)
751 2021-09-23T19:26:01  <laanwj> #endmeeting
752 2021-09-23T19:26:01  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
753 2021-09-23T19:26:02  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Sep 23 19:26:01 2021 UTC.
754 2021-09-23T19:26:02  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-09-23-19.00.moin.txt
755 2021-09-23T19:26:04  <jonatack> fi3: is there a link to more information on other projects that would use the rust implementation? (didn't see one at first glance, sorry if I missed it)
756 2021-09-23T19:28:06  <fi3> jonatack: the linked github stratum repo in the PR is a big monorepo that contain the libraries as well (not yet) some implementation of the roles defined by Sv2 as Proxy and Pool
757 2021-09-23T19:28:59  <fi3> https://github.com/stratum-mining/stratum
758 2021-09-23T19:29:38  <fi3> https://github.com/stratum-mining/stratum/tree/main/roles/v2/mining-proxy nothing here yet but I will push the proxy logic very soon
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761 2021-09-23T19:34:36  <jonatack> fi3: thanks, look forward to learning more
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767 2021-09-23T19:47:30  <jeremyrubin> i think it's a pretty good tradeoff to have a functionality be optional but default for releases
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783 2021-09-23T20:22:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 13 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d8b4b3077fd2...b7e360081506
784 2021-09-23T20:22:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9f6bb53 James O'Beirne: validation: add chainman ref to CChainState
785 2021-09-23T20:22:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ac4051d James O'Beirne: refactor: remove unused assumeutxo methods
786 2021-09-23T20:22:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 665072a James O'Beirne: doc: add comment for g_best_block
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789 2021-09-23T20:22:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #21526: validation: UpdateTip/CheckBlockIndex assumeutxo support (master...2021-03-multi-chainstates) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21526
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805 2021-09-23T21:02:36  <VH> Hi guys, hope you are doing great today. Could you let me know who can I ask about the contribution? Thank you
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