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 14 2021-10-08T00:19:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4356878 Gregory Sanders: External input fund support cleanups
 15 2021-10-08T00:19:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 99e5396 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23188: wallet: fund transaction external input clean...
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132 2021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/99e53967c85c...97e2435ac43f
133 2021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 56303e3 John Newbery: [fuzz] Create a FastRandomContext in addrman fuzz tests
134 2021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 491975c John Newbery: [fuzz] Pass FuzzedDataProvider& into Fill() in addrman fuzz tests
135 2021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 90ad8ad John Newbery: [fuzz] Make RandAddr() a free function in fuzz/addrman.cpp
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138 2021-10-08T04:14:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23053: [fuzz] Use public methods in addrman fuzz tests (master...2021-09-addrman-fuzzer-public-methods2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23053
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154 2021-10-08T04:45:38  <fanquake> Seems to be a lot of misinformation/confusing about the difference between someone being blocked from the repository and issues being locked. The two have nothing todo with each other. Obviously there is a distinction between "lock vs block".
155 2021-10-08T04:45:47  <fanquake> The only users who get blocked from bitcoin/bitcoin are the ones posting outright nonsense / spam.
156 2021-10-08T04:45:57  <fanquake> As mentioned, Marco recently went through and did a bulk lock of a number of old, already closed issues. This is something I've also done in the past to proactively prevent spam, although never in bulk.
157 2021-10-08T04:46:15  <fanquake> There are many cases where an issue can be locked immediately, as there is not going to be any further useful discussion, for example, #23056, so just leaving it open for spam comments seems pointless.
158 2021-10-08T04:46:16  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23056 | configure script failure · Issue #23056 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
159 2021-10-08T04:46:33  <fanquake> In any case, any user is always free to open a new issue, or if they'd like to comment on something that has been locked, they can post in IRC, email a maintainer, or just open a new issue anyway, and say they wanted to comment on the older one. However, I'm not aware of this actually having been an issue yet.
160 2021-10-08T04:46:59  <fanquake> Similar to comments about instances of issue locking, PR closing etc, they never seem to be bought up at the time they may happen, it's only during a discussion like in the meeting, and then no-one seems to have examples. If you've got a problem with an action taken on the repository, please just make someone aware, even if by posting into this channel.
161 2021-10-08T04:47:19  <fanquake> In regard to certain users, who aren't spammers (and won't be blocked), but have a long history of opening low quality / spammy PRs (i.e see the ratio of opened PRs to merged), and a tendency to perform code review on PRs that may be 5+ years old, after being asked many times not to do so, yes, sometimes those threads get locked, in order to prevent what might as well be spam comments.
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217 2021-10-08T07:02:03  <Guest8477> привет , мне нужна помощь.
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233 2021-10-08T07:32:36  <vasild> MarcoFalke: fanquake: any idea how those spammers operate - is it a human manually posting stuff or robots? I wonder if their logic is "find any open issue and post there"? If yes and we have 90 closed and 10 opened issues, then the opened issues would get 10% of the spam where it is more harmful compared to on closed issue because on open issues some discussions are going on.
234 2021-10-08T07:33:07  <vasild> and, so, if the 90 closed issues are locked, then the open issues would get 100% of the spam?
235 2021-10-08T07:33:51  <vasild> but having more locked ones would not reduce the amount of spam, just redirect it to the open ones?
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278 2021-10-08T09:20:29  <Guest8477> hello i need help
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307 2021-10-08T10:41:06  <meshcollider> Guest8477: for most help, #bitcoin would be a better channel to ask in
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324 2021-10-08T11:36:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh closed pull request #23224: [RFC] util: Add suffix byte unit parser for ArgsManager (master...add-args-byte-units) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23224
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333 2021-10-08T11:55:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/97e2435ac43f...927586990eb9
334 2021-10-08T11:55:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa1477e MarcoFalke: test: Add ParseMoney and ParseScript tests
335 2021-10-08T11:55:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9275869 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23185: test: Add ParseMoney and ParseScript tests
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338 2021-10-08T11:55:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23185: test: Add ParseMoney and ParseScript tests (master...2110-ToIntegral) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23185
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342 2021-10-08T12:04:41  <MarcoFalke> vasild: I think the spammers are bored people on a phone (GitHub is an app on the play store). They probably think it is some kind of game.
343 2021-10-08T12:05:09  <vasild> :)
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402 2021-10-08T13:40:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #23216: clang-format: Set BraceWrapping:AfterControlStatement:MultiLine (master...2110-srcFormat) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23216
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413 2021-10-08T13:56:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23227: bitcoin-tx: Avoid treating overflow as OP_0 (master...2110-ToIntegral) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23227
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421 2021-10-08T14:16:01  <laanwj> oh no, github as phone app for bored people, that's the worst idea
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449 2021-10-08T15:24:30  <prayank> luke-jr: Agree he isn't spam. Not sure if rebroad is in the channel, if you are reading this your pull requests arent low quality or spams. Just that few people in this repository don't agree with you. Also sometimes I have found interesting and helpful things in few closed PRs. So your contribution is appreciated.
450 2021-10-08T15:25:05  <prayank> There are few very low quality and spammy merged PRs btw but will leave that discussion for some other day
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453 2021-10-08T15:38:42  <yanmaani> With #23201, would it be welcomed to send in a PR that would, if you provided a signed transaction, use that as the weights?
454 2021-10-08T15:38:44  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23201 | wallet: Allow users to specify input weights when funding a transaction by achow101 · Pull Request #23201 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
455 2021-10-08T15:39:10  <yanmaani> e.g. I send a transaction with signatue from input A. FRT would automatically detect the signature, and set its size as the size of the signature from A.
456 2021-10-08T15:39:23  <yanmaani> it would still discard it
457 2021-10-08T15:40:15  <yanmaani> also, I guess this is sort of a stupid idea, but would it make sense to have a notion of "soft" and "hard" sizes? Where soft means "go with this if you have no other estimate", and hard means "go with this always"
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460 2021-10-08T15:47:44  <jamesob> cjdns testers: are running cjdnsroute with sudo? anyone figure out a clever way of avoiding that, or just yolo?
461 2021-10-08T15:49:05  <achow101> yanmaani: it would probably be better to implement that on top of #23202. I realized that your idea can work as long as we figure out where the signatures are and use their max weights instead of actual weights given 23202 does that with txs to be rbf'd, and I think that can be extended to fundrawtransaction fairly easily
462 2021-10-08T15:49:06  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23202 | wallet: allow psbtbumpfee to work with txs with external inputs by achow101 · Pull Request #23202 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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465 2021-10-08T15:54:21  <jonatack> jamesob: good point, i confess to launching it with sudo ./cjdroute < cjdroute.conf > cjdroute.log but plan to look into avoiding that, or in the worst case reach out to caleb james delisle on mastodon where we're in touch
466 2021-10-08T15:54:36  <yanmaani> achow101: implement what?
467 2021-10-08T15:55:06  <achow101> yanmaani: getting weight information out of existing scriptSigs/witnesses in fundrawtransaction
468 2021-10-08T15:55:36  <vasild> jamesob: it only starts as root but then drops to nobody and chroot()s (if configured)
469 2021-10-08T15:55:39  <yanmaani> why would you not want to use their actual weights?
470 2021-10-08T15:55:53  <sipa> jonatack, jamesob: given that it needs to create a network device, i don't see how you could avoid elevated privileges entirely
471 2021-10-08T15:56:22  <yanmaani> isn't there some way to give an account special privs to make network devices?
472 2021-10-08T15:56:31  <achow101> yanmaani: because the signature size can change depending on the signature
473 2021-10-08T15:56:53  <yanmaani> achow101: but if it's already signed?
474 2021-10-08T15:57:10  <achow101> it will be thrown away after funding, and the signature will change after funding
475 2021-10-08T15:57:16  <achow101> because the tx is different
476 2021-10-08T15:57:35  <vasild> https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/non-root-user.md
477 2021-10-08T15:58:51  <sipa> ah, right, if you make the network device as root
478 2021-10-08T16:01:22  <jonatack> cool, thanks vasild
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481 2021-10-08T16:05:03  <vasild> yw :)
482 2021-10-08T16:06:03  <vasild> aha, I found it!
483 2021-10-08T16:06:35  <vasild> the text that says it is safer to run it as root: inside the generated cjdroute.conf
484 2021-10-08T16:07:11  <vasild> https://bpa.st/YCJA
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489 2021-10-08T16:16:00  <jamesob> Yeah but of course the guy who wrote the program will say it's safer to run as root :)
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495 2021-10-08T16:29:11  <sipa> *evil laugh*
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512 2021-10-08T16:55:11  <jonatack> https://mastodon.social/@cjd/107066838736303779
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527 2021-10-08T17:43:12  <Sp79> Hello. Can someone help me with some info? I want to know how was bitcoin.pdf whitepaper was embedded in the bitcoin blockchain
528 2021-10-08T17:45:17  <hebasto> Sp79: (1) it is off-topic here; (2) https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/35959/how-is-the-whitepaper-decoded-from-the-blockchain-tx-with-1000x-m-of-n-multisi
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553 2021-10-08T19:01:09  <achow101> #startmeeting
554 2021-10-08T19:01:33  <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd
555 2021-10-08T19:01:34  <achow101> phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
556 2021-10-08T19:02:14  <achow101> There is 1 pre-proposed topic. any last minute topics to add?
557 2021-10-08T19:02:20  <S3RK> hi
558 2021-10-08T19:02:46  <S3RK> I'd like to ask a question about descriptors that produce same scriptpubkeys
559 2021-10-08T19:03:42  <sipa> hi
560 2021-10-08T19:03:58  <achow101> #topic expand fundrawtx external input support to allow arbitrary scripts (achow101)
561 2021-10-08T19:04:14  <kanzure> hi
562 2021-10-08T19:04:41  <achow101> Originally I wanted to ask whether we should do this, but I think it's a bit moot now since people have been reviewing #23201
563 2021-10-08T19:04:43  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23201 | wallet: Allow users to specify input weights when funding a transaction by achow101 · Pull Request #23201 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
564 2021-10-08T19:06:24  <achow101> the current proposal is to just let users specify the weights. yanmaani has suggested allowing users to provide signed inputs (in the tx for fundrawtx) and use that for weight estimation
565 2021-10-08T19:07:01  <achow101> the only issue I saw with the latter idea is that signature sizes can change, but that can be solved by figuring out how many signatures there are and using their max sizes rather than real sizes
566 2021-10-08T19:07:03  <achow101> thoughts?
567 2021-10-08T19:07:49  <sipa> no opinion, really
568 2021-10-08T19:08:16  * S3RK shrugs
569 2021-10-08T19:08:42  <achow101> I suspected that would be the case
570 2021-10-08T19:08:54  <achow101> #topic descriptors that produce same scriptpubkeys (S3RK)
571 2021-10-08T19:09:39  <S3RK> I believe it's technically possible right now to import multiples descriptors that would produce same scripts
572 2021-10-08T19:09:55  <S3RK> can you think of any valid use cases for this?
573 2021-10-08T19:10:20  <achow101> upgrading a raw(addr) to full descriptor?
574 2021-10-08T19:10:39  <sipa> or upgrading in general; e.g. adding origin info?
575 2021-10-08T19:10:52  <achow101> but perhaps upgrading should be an actual upgrade and not duplicating
576 2021-10-08T19:10:59  <sipa> right
577 2021-10-08T19:11:11  <S3RK> yes, for upgrading we can replace the existing descriptor
578 2021-10-08T19:11:59  <S3RK> if this is the only case, should we try to prevent users from importing such descriptors?
579 2021-10-08T19:12:15  <achow101> yes, but that may be difficult
580 2021-10-08T19:12:16  <S3RK> I think it could be hard to detect in some casees
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582 2021-10-08T19:12:33  <achow101> e.g. something with derived keys at a high index
583 2021-10-08T19:12:44  <S3RK> yes, exactly what I thought
584 2021-10-08T19:12:50  <sipa> remind me, is it possible to import non-ranged descriptors?
585 2021-10-08T19:12:54  <achow101> yes
586 2021-10-08T19:12:55  <S3RK> yes
587 2021-10-08T19:13:09  <achow101> I'm not sure that duplicating is necessarily detrimental though
588 2021-10-08T19:13:16  <achow101> other than wasting space
589 2021-10-08T19:13:43  <S3RK> It makes it a bit harder to reason about code
590 2021-10-08T19:13:50  <S3RK> I made this mistake in my last PR
591 2021-10-08T19:14:35  <S3RK> should we try to prevent at least in cases when we can detect it?
592 2021-10-08T19:14:45  <achow101> iirc signing and fillpsbt go through all of the spkmans so it doesn't matter if one has less info than another, although conflicting info may be a problem
593 2021-10-08T19:15:16  <S3RK> another one is `getaddressinfo`
594 2021-10-08T19:16:23  <achow101> hmm yes
595 2021-10-08T19:16:44  <achow101> I think it's reasonable to prevent it in obvious cases
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597 2021-10-08T19:17:46  <achow101> I would say that having multiple descriptors for the same scripts is not a supported use case, so we shouldn't worry too much about it
598 2021-10-08T19:18:00  <achow101> *about writing code that can deal with it
599 2021-10-08T19:18:37  <S3RK> khm... I agree with the sentiment, but than we should make it clear that it's not supported
600 2021-10-08T19:18:45  <S3RK> s/than/then/
601 2021-10-08T19:19:14  <achow101> yes
602 2021-10-08T19:20:16  <S3RK> we can prevent at import time most cases
603 2021-10-08T19:20:28  <S3RK> and if we detect later we can deactivate maybe?
604 2021-10-08T19:20:50  <S3RK> I don't know how far we should go to avoid it
605 2021-10-08T19:21:08  <achow101> if we were to detect it later, there isn't much that can be done to resolve it
606 2021-10-08T19:21:33  <achow101> it would mean that the user would need to be able to delete the descriptor, but I'm really hesitant to add anything that would let people delete data from their wallet
607 2021-10-08T19:21:36  <achow101> especially private keys
608 2021-10-08T19:22:15  <S3RK> and there are probably already wallets like this :)
609 2021-10-08T19:22:52  <S3RK> ok. good to know your thoughts, thanks
610 2021-10-08T19:23:19  <achow101> any other topics?
611 2021-10-08T19:24:24  <achow101> #endmeeting
612 2021-10-08T19:24:48  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> Are these meetings scheduled somewhere? I just happened to be here and stumble across this.
613 2021-10-08T19:25:33  <S3RK> https://bitcoincore.org/en/meetings/
614 2021-10-08T19:28:47  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> S3RK: ty
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622 2021-10-08T19:46:32  <laanwj> looks like the precompiled freebsd package for cjdns doesn't work on my server, it crashes with "illegal instruction" because it uses vxorps %xmm0,%xmm0,%xmm0 which is... avx
623 2021-10-08T19:47:38  <sipa> ha
624 2021-10-08T19:51:25  <sipa> what cpu do you have?
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627 2021-10-08T19:56:05  <laanwj> Intel Atom C2350
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629 2021-10-08T19:57:07  <laanwj> i'm sure it can be resolved with compiling from source, but it surprised me as i haven't seen their precompiled packages make assumptions about instruction set support before
630 2021-10-08T20:00:44  <jonatack> fwiw i have the impression of seeing more peer connection churn than usual on master ~this past week, haven't pinned it down yet, but if anyone else is seeing it LMK
631 2021-10-08T20:02:58  <jonatack> on a node running ip/onion/i2p/cjdns
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