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294 2021-10-10T09:44:24  <jonatack> spam https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23245
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297 2021-10-10T09:54:02  <stick> What do you think about yggdrasil?
298 2021-10-10T09:54:15  <stick> I see there is CJDNS being added to bitcoin-core
299 2021-10-10T09:54:36  <stick> but I read some articles that yggdrasil is better in some regards
300 2021-10-10T09:54:37  <stick> https://sudonull.com/post/31578-CJDNS-is-dead-long-live-Yggdrasil
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527 2021-10-10T18:42:30  <luke-jr> any ideas why 0.21.2 would be failing to run the rpc_rawsign test on armhf? :/ https://launchpadlibrarian.net/562993496/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-armhf.bitcoin_0.21.2-xenial1.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
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558 2021-10-10T19:43:19  <prayank> stick: yggdrasil can't be used for mainnet
559 2021-10-10T19:44:16  <prayank> Yggdrasil is still an alpha project
560 2021-10-10T19:46:53  <prayank> Also few reasons mentioned here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23077#issuecomment-926626650
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597 2021-10-10T21:14:41  <jamesob> MarcoFalke: you had been working on something like #20664 initially, right? Am I remembering wrong or didn't you find some issue that made it infeasible, or at least made you stop working on it?
598 2021-10-10T21:14:43  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20664 | Add scanblocks RPC call by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #20664 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
599 2021-10-10T21:16:27  <jamesob> Ah nevermind, found it: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15845#issuecomment-625768563
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604 2021-10-10T21:29:05  <luke-jr> jamesob: I think they're subtly different. It's less of a problem if 20664 misses something since it's a new RPC, whereas 15845 missing something is a rather annoying bug
605 2021-10-10T21:29:12  <luke-jr> (since it means the wallet scan failed to find wallet txs)
606 2021-10-10T21:29:23  <luke-jr> of course, best if 20664 finds everything :P
607 2021-10-10T21:29:38  <luke-jr> IIRC being descriptor-based avoided the issue tho?
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629 2021-10-10T22:17:18  <davidbak> I'm looking around after reading the "how to get involved" information - which points to "good first issue" issues.  And one of the first ones there is #18222 - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18822
630 2021-10-10T22:17:19  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18222 | Add `blockfilterindex = p2wpkh` · Issue #18222 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
631 2021-10-10T22:18:23  <davidbak> darn, I meant 18822
632 2021-10-10T22:19:28  <davidbak> anyway, that was created 2020-04-29, and apparently two people worked on PRs - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19117 and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18827 - rather quickly after that (also April/May 2020) - both of which went nowhere.
633 2021-10-10T22:19:57  <davidbak> 19117 was closed with the comment "Seems like a generic feature discovery method is a better approach, so closing this".
634 2021-10-10T22:20:50  <davidbak> (18827 sort of petered out and was closed by the author for some reason.)
635 2021-10-10T22:21:34  <davidbak> Anyhow, my question is: is there interest in adding this RPC call?  Is the comment "Seems like a generic feature discovery method is a better approach, so closing this" dispositive?  Should issue 18822 be closed?  What's the status?
636 2021-10-10T22:21:53  <davidbak> And my meta-comment is: Is this the appropriate way to investigate: just asking here?
637 2021-10-10T22:22:02  <davidbak> meta-comment -> meta-question
638 2021-10-10T22:23:27  <sipa> probably the best way is commenting on the issue with your thoughts
639 2021-10-10T22:24:30  <sipa> but you'll have to live with the fact that generally not everyone agrees what the right approach is
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641 2021-10-10T22:29:07  <davidbak> I get that not everyone will agree on the right approach.  And I understand discussing the issue.  But in this case BOTH PRs, attempting to resolve this "good first issue" were closed _by the authors_ after doing all the work.  Seems a shame in and of itself, but more to the point here: Leaves me uncertain as to whether this is an issue at all, much less a "good first issue"?
642 2021-10-10T22:30:57  <davidbak> And that, of course, leaves me uncertain as to the value of the "good first issue" concept for getting involved in the first place ...
643 2021-10-10T22:31:36  <davidbak> But my question really is: should the "good first issue" tag be taken off of 18822?
644 2021-10-10T22:32:03  <sipa> Perhaps, yes.
645 2021-10-10T22:32:23  <sipa> Sorry I don't really have good advice here, I haven't really followed up on this particular issue.
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647 2021-10-10T22:36:14  <davidbak> Well, I just now added a comment to 18822 about this and I guess I'll see what happens.
648 2021-10-10T22:38:26  <luke-jr> davidbak: I agree "good first issue" probably is wrong considering this
649 2021-10-10T22:39:55  <luke-jr> davidbak: note that the first PR author ragequit, and closed ALL his PRs
650 2021-10-10T22:40:00  <davidbak> ok.  luke-jr - is "good first issues" still considered a good way to onboard to bitcoin-core development?  And with or without the "PR Club" for getting tips?
651 2021-10-10T22:40:06  <luke-jr> and I closed mine because I was convinced it was the wrong approach
652 2021-10-10T22:40:55  <luke-jr> davidbak: generally, I recommend starting into dev by reviewing existing PRs
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655 2021-10-10T22:41:34  <davidbak> Do you mean standard code review stuff, I assume "concept (n)ack" comments aren't really appropriate until you get some decent traction?
656 2021-10-10T22:42:12  <sipa> davidbak: you're probably better off asking people who more recently started participating; both luke-jr and i have been around for a while, like jonatack's guide (https://jonatack.github.io/articles/how-to-contribute-pull-requests-to-bitcoin-core) and amiti's (https://medium.com/@amitiu/onboarding-to-bitcoin-core-7c1a83b20365)
657 2021-10-10T22:42:29  <sipa> i think the review club is very helpful, yes
658 2021-10-10T22:42:54  <davidbak> ok, i'm reading fairly widely right now about how to usefully/effectively join - I'll add those two immediately
659 2021-10-10T22:42:55  <sipa> and yes, an unnuanced "concept ack" or "concept nack" from a new contributor isn't going to mean much
660 2021-10-10T22:43:14  <luke-jr> yes, code review
661 2021-10-10T22:43:28  <hebasto> davidbak: #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews
662 2021-10-10T22:43:34  <luke-jr> 1) code review tends to be our bottleneck; 2) code review is a good way to learn the codebase
663 2021-10-10T22:44:33  <davidbak> well, i certainly agree to both those points, so I'll get started there - and of course, my creating a dev environment that can build/run unit/functional tests and so on.  thanks.
664 2021-10-10T22:45:00  <davidbak> btw - speaking of unit tests - are prs out of the blue that _do_ add unit tests (only) considered valuable?
665 2021-10-10T22:45:11  <davidbak> (because I do know how to write those)
666 2021-10-10T22:45:12  <sipa> in some cases, definitely
667 2021-10-10T22:45:13  <luke-jr> if they're good tests
668 2021-10-10T22:45:27  <luke-jr> in the past, I've seen some newbies make tests that basically check 1+2=3
669 2021-10-10T22:45:29  <davidbak> yes, well I know good vs bad there too, it's kind of a specialty
670 2021-10-10T22:45:58  <davidbak> no, i'm new to bitcoin-core but not to development, but for you: that claim will remain to be seen until I produce
671 2021-10-10T22:46:45  <luke-jr> we've come a long way in the past years, but I think there's still a lot of potential good tests missing
672 2021-10-10T22:46:46  <sipa> the difficulty for those is knowing (a) what's undertested by asking around/getting an idea of existing tests and (b) writing tests that test for the desirable behavior, and not "accidentally" true properties that may change with a code improvement
673 2021-10-10T22:47:12  <sipa> davidbak: in any case, questions about setting up a dev env tend to also be welcome in #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews i've noticed
674 2021-10-10T22:47:33  <davidbak> good tips, thanks!
675 2021-10-10T22:47:39  <luke-jr> ideally tests would find bugs before we get to RCs :P
676 2021-10-10T22:47:53  <sipa> they often do
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678 2021-10-10T22:48:02  <sipa> in fact, they often find bugs before a PR is even opened ;)
679 2021-10-10T22:48:10  <davidbak> yes indeed, so i guess a good place to start looking for needed coverage would be PRs accepted to the next (i.e., pending) release
680 2021-10-10T22:48:17  <luke-jr> sipa: right, I mean all ☺
681 2021-10-10T22:48:44  <luke-jr> davidbak: actually, newer code is probably more likely to have tests
682 2021-10-10T22:48:45  <sipa> davidbak: most development is on the master branch, which will become the 23.0 release in a few months
683 2021-10-10T22:49:35  <davidbak> hmmm, so ... perhaps you're suggesting look for problematic areas that have _fixes_ for hte next release, that may have a history of being problem spots?
684 2021-10-10T22:50:01  <luke-jr> fixes tend to include tests to avoid regressions, too
685 2021-10-10T22:50:48  <davidbak> yes, regrressions, but do they include a review of current test coverage for that feature that points to inadequacies?  I guess no such area comes to your mind or you would have mentioned it.
686 2021-10-10T22:52:09  <davidbak> i won't take your time anymore today - I'll continue my general "how to onboard" reading, and start looking at the code + tests myself.  thanks!
687 2021-10-10T22:52:25  <sipa> yw!
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713 2021-10-10T23:51:41  <luke-jr> quite puzzled by the xenial 0.21.2 armhf build failure. I don't see any changes that are suspect :/
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