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 30 2021-10-11T00:51:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa165e9 MarcoFalke: Replace stoul with ToIntegral in dbwrapper
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108 2021-10-11T02:35:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/829d3e0e7135...5b7210c8745d
109 2021-10-11T02:35:04  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a8b515c S3RK: configure: keep relative paths in debug info
110 2021-10-11T02:35:04  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0bc666b S3RK: doc: add info for debugging with relative paths
111 2021-10-11T02:35:04  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5b7210c fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22409: configure: keep relative paths in debug info
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223 2021-10-11T06:08:02  <fanquake> #proposedmeetingtopic tag 0.20.3-final
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232 2021-10-11T06:28:31  <luke-jr> for better or worse, not sure there's a point as it's only weeks away from not enforcing the consensus rules (Taproot activation)
233 2021-10-11T06:30:03  <luke-jr> meh, I guess maybe a month or so. perhaps a warning in the release notes?
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307 2021-10-11T08:29:43  <gleb7> jnewbery: #22910 can be undrafted now? It's unclear whether the pr is good for review :)
308 2021-10-11T08:29:46  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22910 | [RFC] Encapsulate asmap in NetGroupManager by jnewbery · Pull Request #22910 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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329 2021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5b7210c8745d...1790a8ddacae
330 2021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b142f79 lsilva01: skip test_getaddressinfo() if wallet is disabled
331 2021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c2fbdca lsilva01: Add BECH32_INVALID_VERSION test
332 2021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1790a8d MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22794: test: Verify if wallet is compiled in rpc_inv...
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335 2021-10-11T09:29:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22794: test: Verify if wallet is compiled in rpc_invalid_address_message.py test (master...split_invalid_address_message_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22794
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359 2021-10-11T10:26:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh opened pull request #23249: util: ParseByteUnits - Parse a string with a suffix unit (master...util-parsebyteunit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23249
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364 2021-10-11T10:39:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] SatoshiBitcoin opened pull request #23250: test pull request (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23250
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374 2021-10-11T11:01:29  <jnewbery> gleb7: It's ready for review, but I'm not 100% sure that https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22910/commits/16cef1ba368302531672ffe81d19bf70e61bd127 doesn't change behaviour in some subtle way. I'd need to do a very careful review of it and possibly add more tests to make sure.
375 2021-10-11T11:02:05  <jnewbery> Until I've reviewed my own code and I'm satisfied it's right, I don't want it to be mergeable
376 2021-10-11T11:02:41  <jnewbery> I'll try to get to it in the next couple of weeks
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403 2021-10-11T12:03:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23253:  bitcoin-tx: Reject non-integral and out of range sequence ids  (master...2110-utilTxSeqId) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23253
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406 2021-10-11T12:04:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #20544: build: Do not repeat warning names in -Werror=... options (master...201202-werror) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20544
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414 2021-10-11T12:26:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hieblmi opened pull request #23254: Fix typo and grammar (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23254
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422 2021-10-11T12:42:57  <meshcollider> I accidentally offended drahtbot https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16807#issuecomment-939993269
423 2021-10-11T12:43:39  <fanquake> 🤖
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425 2021-10-11T12:47:44  <meshcollider> Review beg for that PR #16807 btw ^ I just added a tonne of comments to assist review of the bech32 error detection code itself
426 2021-10-11T12:47:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16807 | Let validateaddress locate error in Bech32 address by meshcollider · Pull Request #16807 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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462 2021-10-11T14:09:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23255: util: Add mincore and clone3 to syscall sandbox (master...2110-syscall) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23255
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536 2021-10-11T16:59:08  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm studying crypto right now. What I've noticed is a lot of these algorithms have lookup tables in them.
537 2021-10-11T16:59:42  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm wondering how those lookup tables are generated and if they are constructed in a certain way for a reason
538 2021-10-11T17:00:46  <sipa> Kaizen_Kintsugi: read the original publications about the cryptographic systems you're looking into
539 2021-10-11T17:01:06  <sipa> sometimes the tables are just part of the specification, with a certain rationale
540 2021-10-11T17:01:16  <sipa> sometimes they're an optimization
541 2021-10-11T17:01:49  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> sipa: thanks for the pointers Ill do that
542 2021-10-11T17:02:07  <sipa> i can give you better pointers if you say what specifically you're looking at
543 2021-10-11T17:02:19  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm starting at the beginning so DES
544 2021-10-11T17:03:06  <sipa> heh, that would be offtopic here; DES isn't used in Bitcoin (and considered way too weak nowadays)
545 2021-10-11T17:03:30  <stick> Kaizen_Kintsugi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-box
546 2021-10-11T17:03:34  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> ah okay, i guess I could look at something more relevant, sha256 I think has the same thing
547 2021-10-11T17:03:58  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm trying to up my understanding to contrib to core
548 2021-10-11T17:05:16  <sipa> for almost all things relates to Bitcoin Core developmemt, you can think of cryptographic algorithms as black boxes
549 2021-10-11T17:05:29  <sipa> they provide certain guarantees, under certain conditions
550 2021-10-11T17:06:04  <sipa> how and why they have these properties is somewhere between lots of deep theory, and just having lots of smart people having tried to break it
551 2021-10-11T17:06:24  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> stick: thx, that scratched my curiosity perfectly, learned about bent functions
552 2021-10-11T17:06:27  <sipa> i don't want to discourage you from learning cryptography, or implementations used; it's super fun
553 2021-10-11T17:06:42  <sipa> but it's also almost irrelevant
554 2021-10-11T17:07:24  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> sipa: yea I want to shore up my understanding, but this is the guidance I'm looking for, I dont really need to know how sha256, but btc uses in places x,y and z ect
555 2021-10-11T17:07:37  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> is what I'm hearing
556 2021-10-11T17:07:52  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> oof, that was a bad sentence.
557 2021-10-11T17:08:17  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> What I'm hearing is, I dont need to know cryptographic details, I should learn where and when it is used in btc
558 2021-10-11T17:09:35  <sipa> right; of course, if you'd want to propose the introduction of new cryptographic constructs or protocols, more understanding will be useful... but that's a rare thing
559 2021-10-11T17:10:01  <sipa> beyond that... SHA256 is just a good cryptographic hash function
560 2021-10-11T17:10:01  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> yea, I don't see myself doing that anytime soon haha.
561 2021-10-11T17:10:12  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> right
562 2021-10-11T17:10:43  <sipa> and of course, everyone who ever contributed to the cryptography had to start somewhere
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585 2021-10-11T18:11:00  <yanmaani> Kaizen_Kintsugi: SHA256 has lookup tables of cube roots of first 256 primes
586 2021-10-11T18:11:14  <sipa> s/lookup tables/IV/
587 2021-10-11T18:11:15  <yanmaani> these are just chosen as "random" data
588 2021-10-11T18:11:29  <yanmaani> yeah fair enough
589 2021-10-11T18:12:18  <sipa> but yeah, such numbers are called NUMS (nothing up my sleeve)... they don't want them to have some very obvious structure (like all zeroes), but also don't want to actually put random numbers in the spec
590 2021-10-11T18:12:40  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> yanmaani: I don't quite grasp that, I'm going to look it up
591 2021-10-11T18:12:44  <sipa> so they use some simple formula that's unlikely to produce a specific structure that would weaken the system
592 2021-10-11T18:13:24  <yanmaani> that, the first digits of pi, or "100,000 random numbers and their deviates" is the classic ;)
593 2021-10-11T18:13:38  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> okay i see now
594 2021-10-11T18:13:40  <sipa> in the case of SHA2, the IVs are indeed chosen as square roots and cube roots of primes
595 2021-10-11T18:13:49  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> 2**(1/3)
596 2021-10-11T18:13:50  <sipa> SHA3 actually doesn't have NUMS numbers
597 2021-10-11T18:13:58  <sipa> which is pretty neat
598 2021-10-11T18:14:06  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> its a way of generating irrational numbers
599 2021-10-11T18:14:18  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> and is deterministic
600 2021-10-11T18:15:22  <yanmaani> What is on-topic for the bitcoin-dev list, exactly?
601 2021-10-11T18:15:29  <sipa> bitcoin development
602 2021-10-11T18:15:34  <yanmaani> But it's not just patches for Bitcoin Core, right
603 2021-10-11T18:15:52  <sipa> no, it's specifically not about bitcoin core (which is just an implementation)
604 2021-10-11T18:16:17  <yanmaani> Is it about general technical ideas for cryptocurrency?
605 2021-10-11T18:16:24  <yanmaani> Because I see some discussion about such topics
606 2021-10-11T18:16:39  <sipa> anything you want to propose/discuss in the context of bitcoin
607 2021-10-11T18:16:50  <sipa> not generic cryptocurrency discussion
608 2021-10-11T18:19:08  <yanmaani> But something like p2pool would be on-topic, because it can be used with bitcoin?
609 2021-10-11T18:19:44  <sipa> sure
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