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 94 2021-11-02T08:43:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5adc5c02800f...76886ce11e85
 95 2021-11-02T08:43:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c02a674 Hennadii Stepanov: doc: Add output script descriptors BIPs 380..386
 96 2021-11-02T08:43:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 76886ce MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23410: doc: Add output script descriptors BIPs 380.....
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 99 2021-11-02T08:44:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23410: doc: Add output script descriptors BIPs 380..386 (master...211101-bips) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23410
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114 2021-11-02T10:13:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh closed pull request #23337: tests: Add assert_less_than and assert_less_than_or_equal to test framework (master...23119-assert_less) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23337
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142 2021-11-02T12:41:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/76886ce11e85...9e3f7dcaa2f8
143 2021-11-02T12:41:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8c96008 Troy Giorshev: [net] Don't return an optional from TransportDeserializer::GetMessage()
144 2021-11-02T12:41:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f3e451b Troy Giorshev: [net] Replace GetID() with id in TransportDeserializer constructor
145 2021-11-02T12:41:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9e3f7dc MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22735: [net] Don't return an optional from Transport...
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148 2021-11-02T12:42:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22735: [net] Don't return an optional from TransportDeserializer::GetMessage() (master...2021-08-20364-rebased) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22735
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166 2021-11-02T14:52:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23416: doc: Remove fee delta TODO from txmempool.cpp (master...2111-docFeeDelta) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23416
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168 2021-11-02T14:53:27  <ryanofsky> Could I get #21206 added to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 now that #22766 is off?
169 2021-11-02T14:53:29  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21206 | refactor: Make CWalletTx sync state type-safe by ryanofsky · Pull Request #21206 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
170 2021-11-02T14:53:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22766 | refactor: Clarify and disable unused ArgsManager flags by ryanofsky · Pull Request #22766 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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207 2021-11-02T16:39:09  <provoostenator> The addrman documentation is pretty clear about when put stuff _into_ a "tried" bucket, but I'm having a hard time understanding when we actually use the tried bucket over the new bucket.
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209 2021-11-02T16:42:18  <provoostenator> Inside the Select() implementation it says there's a 50% chance of using the tried or the new table.
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212 2021-11-02T16:44:42  <provoostenator> And Select() is called in net.cpp when making outbound connections. So that part makes sense.
213 2021-11-02T16:47:37  <provoostenator> IIUC in response to GetAddr we use both new and tried,  but do  check against IsTerrible?
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238 2021-11-02T17:42:11  <lightlike> provoostenator: correct, Select() first flips a coin between new/tried, and then searches inside the respective table until it's found an address. GetAddr() picks randomly non-terrible addresses, it doesn't take care whether they are in new or tried
239 2021-11-02T17:48:55  <provoostenator> And addresses that we proactively gossip?
240 2021-11-02T17:49:31  <sipa> there is no such thing
241 2021-11-02T17:50:27  <sipa> we gossip addresses (a) our own, periodically (b) relaying addrs received from other peers (c) in response to getaddr
242 2021-11-02T17:50:36  <provoostenator> Right, I meant (b)
243 2021-11-02T17:50:44  <sipa> addrman isn't involved there
244 2021-11-02T17:51:28  <provoostenator> I see, not even a check against IsTerrible?
245 2021-11-02T17:51:49  <sipa> maybe, let me check
246 2021-11-02T17:52:20  <sipa> nope, just against banning/discouraging
247 2021-11-02T17:52:29  <provoostenator> Context: I'm tring to understand #22387 and https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.00815
248 2021-11-02T17:52:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22387 | Rate limit the processing of rumoured addresses by sipa · Pull Request #22387 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
249 2021-11-02T17:52:55  <provoostenator> I first assumed we would only relay tried addresses, but that's obviously not so.
250 2021-11-02T17:53:06  <provoostenator> Presumably because then there'd be too few?
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252 2021-11-02T17:56:21  <sipa> generally rumoured addresses wouldn't be things we already know
253 2021-11-02T17:57:01  <sipa> so perhaps you're suggesting is that rumoured addr messages should be drawn from addrman rather than from what we receive from others?
254 2021-11-02T17:57:14  <sipa> that's... not impossible, but very different from what we call relay
255 2021-11-02T17:57:24  <provoostenator> Not so much suggesting, but wondering why.
256 2021-11-02T17:58:07  <sipa> well the idea is that when you gossip your own address, the expectation is that it will generally reach a substantial fraction of the network nodes
257 2021-11-02T17:58:12  <sipa> not just your peers
258 2021-11-02T17:59:08  <provoostenator> It would indeed propagate very slowly if your peers first had to check it and their peers, etc.
259 2021-11-02T17:59:32  <provoostenator> R=0.0001 slowly :-)
260 2021-11-02T17:59:37  <sipa> idd
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262 2021-11-02T18:00:38  <provoostenator> So (b) is only done to serve (a)? (even though of course we can't check that it's not used to broadcast other stuff)
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264 2021-11-02T18:01:32  <sipa> indeed, (b) is what makes (a) relay to the entire network
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268 2021-11-02T18:11:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #23417: wallet, spkm: Move key management from DescriptorScriptPubKeyMan to wallet level KeyManager (master...wallet-keyman) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23417
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288 2021-11-02T19:41:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23418:  Fix signed integer overflow in prioritisetransaction RPC  (master...2111-txPoolPrioOverflow) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23418
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291 2021-11-02T19:56:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9e3f7dcaa2f8...3c4729a515d8
292 2021-11-02T19:56:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6ae9f1c Jon Atack: Disable lock contention logging in checkqueue_tests
293 2021-11-02T19:56:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3c4729a MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23223: Disable lock contention logging in checkqueue...
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296 2021-11-02T19:56:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23223: Disable lock contention logging in checkqueue_tests  (master...alleviate-checkqueue-tests-contention-logging) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23223
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299 2021-11-02T20:01:33  <satoshi> Discussion about the recent version number change. #proposedmeetingtopic
300 2021-11-02T20:04:23  <shiza> It was a bad idea, but it's done now. Save your strength.
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307 2021-11-02T20:21:50  <fjahr> shiza: Why was it a bad idea?
308 2021-11-02T20:24:13  <shiza> It creates unnecesary confusion in users and breaks a lot of unimportant deployment pipelines. It wastes store in version defines.
309 2021-11-02T20:26:57  <shiza> It was an unnecesary change with just a few unimportant benefits for a lot of unimportant disadvantages.
310 2021-11-02T20:27:41  <shiza> But everybody knew that, so it's OK.
311 2021-11-02T20:30:26  <shiza> Good sign such an unimportant change is a source of dissent.
312 2021-11-02T20:39:01  <sipa> "it wastes store" ?
313 2021-11-02T20:42:48  <shiza> that was quite poorly worded, but what I mean is unimportant as well
314 2021-11-02T20:43:13  <sipa> i don't understand; the version define didn't even change
315 2021-11-02T20:43:23  <sipa> but i'm also not going to argue about it again :)
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317 2021-11-02T20:45:36  <shiza> I assumed Bitcoin uses a Boost style version define.
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319 2021-11-02T20:46:25  <shiza> Something like 210000 bumping to 220000
320 2021-11-02T20:47:23  <sipa> perhaps look at the actual code change before commenting on it :)
321 2021-11-02T20:47:24  <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20223
322 2021-11-02T20:47:57  <sipa> 0.21 had CLIENT_VERSION 210000, 22.0 has 220000
323 2021-11-02T20:48:46  <shiza> I promise I read the whole commit (weeks ago)
324 2021-11-02T20:49:46  <shiza> I was promptly unamused by the change as much as by not having good arguments against it
325 2021-11-02T20:49:53  <sipa> haha
326 2021-11-02T20:51:29  <satoshi> The original format originally indicated time, as part of the timestamp.
327 2021-11-02T20:52:11  <sipa> i have no idea what you're talking about
328 2021-11-02T20:52:37  <satoshi> Example: Bitcoin 0.1.0 - 2009:01:07 01:00:00
329 2021-11-02T20:53:51  <shiza> The date is redundant information there. Resides in the repository.
330 2021-11-02T20:54:29  <satoshi> The current version number should be 2.2.0
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332 2021-11-02T20:56:36  <shiza> Old clients don't care if future clients are 22.0 or 2.2.0
333 2021-11-02T20:57:22  <shiza> The unbroken protocol is all that matters.
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342 2021-11-02T21:08:21  <satoshi> Linux kernel version history probably a good reference to illustrate why the current versioning in Bitcoin is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_version_history
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344 2021-11-02T21:14:50  <shiza> Those are tidy version numbers compared to bumping 0 to 22. But the beauty doesn't justify a revision of the topic.
345 2021-11-02T21:15:38  <shiza> Rolling back costs more than keeping forward.
346 2021-11-02T21:16:50  <shiza> Anyway, old wallets are going to start causing problems, so better warn users early that things are moving faster now.
347 2021-11-02T21:16:55  <satoshi> Would correct myself, the current version number should be Bitcoin 0.22.0.  Reaching 0.99 is not that far in future, Reaching 1.0.0 would have the CLIENT_VERSION 1 million.  It makes more sense to me, than reaching 99.0 in 15 years.  This is not a rush for highest CLIENT_VERSION.
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349 2021-11-02T21:19:00  <satoshi> CLIENT_VERSION would flip to a million in a few years from now.  We should not do that, after us there will be many releases.  It makes sense to keep the version format as it was otherwise the flip happens faster than it should.
350 2021-11-02T21:19:15  <sipa> CLIENT_VERSION _has not changed_
351 2021-11-02T21:19:43  <satoshi> it will change when reached 99.0
352 2021-11-02T21:20:00  <satoshi> CLIENT_VERSION will be 1000000
353 2021-11-02T21:20:06  <sipa> that's entirely orthogonal to the version naming discussion
354 2021-11-02T21:20:39  <sipa> The old version scheme was woefully obsolete; it had basically digressed into effectively being 0.MAJOR.MINOR, where the 0 was redundant. There were reasonable discussions to be had about whether that was sufficient to justify replacing it, and about what the new scheme should be. But we're not going to revert back to a older worse scheme. This discussion is pointless.
355 2021-11-02T21:20:58  <earnestly> https://0ver.org/
356 2021-11-02T21:21:45  <satoshi> earnestly thanks
357 2021-11-02T21:22:03  <shiza> wkhtmltopdf embraces 0ver, and wkhtmltopdf can't be wrong!
358 2021-11-02T21:22:25  <earnestly> Just have a number, then number go up
359 2021-11-02T21:24:01  <satoshi> https://0ver.org/ still listing Bitcoin.
360 2021-11-02T21:25:20  <sipa> Version 0.0.1 of ZeroVer was published by Mahmoud Hashemi, with help from Moshe, Mark, Kurt, and other patient collaborators, on 2018-04-01. ZeroVer is satire, please do not use it. We sincerely hope no project release schedules were harmed as a result of this humble attempt at programmer humor.
361 2021-11-02T21:26:07  <sipa> -- https://0ver.org/about.html
362 2021-11-02T21:27:54  <satoshi> I see it, they start from 0.0.1 which is not how Bitcoin started.  Bitcoin 0.1.0
363 2021-11-02T21:28:11  <sipa> The whole thing is a joke. Seriously.
364 2021-11-02T21:28:21  <luke-jr> satoshi: .99 does not become 1.0
365 2021-11-02T21:28:25  <satoshi> sipa is this a joke to you? https://bitcoincore.org/en/lifecycle/
366 2021-11-02T21:28:37  <sipa> satoshi: 0ver.org is a joke
367 2021-11-02T21:29:17  <sipa> It's making fun of projects that never manage to get rid of their 0-based version number.
368 2021-11-02T21:29:39  <shiza> bitcoincore.org source is public, you can propose fixes to it
369 2021-11-02T21:31:04  <luke-jr> would make more sense to bump to 22.0.1 for the first bugfix release instead of 22.1, but is it worth arguing? not so sure
370 2021-11-02T21:32:40  <earnestly> I'm surprised the satire wasn't obvious, those leading quotes are excellent
371 2021-11-02T21:33:46  <earnestly> Version numbers don't really need to mean anything.  A single number that increases is usually enough.  What does .1 add?  All it signals is "This is a version you don't have to update to"
372 2021-11-02T21:34:15  <earnestly> Some add meaning like semver for API/ABI changes, etc.  It's often not enough in practice and people end up doing version pinning through git checkouts
373 2021-11-02T21:34:22  <luke-jr> earnestly: it doesn't signal that; you need a way to express "fixes only" vs "new features"
374 2021-11-02T21:34:31  <satoshi> luke-jr I don't see any problem with that, technically 0.999.0 would produce CLIENT_VERSION 9990000.  Bitcoin 2.1.0 would be 21000000.
375 2021-11-02T21:34:38  <luke-jr> earnestly: consider the recent 0.20.x release
376 2021-11-02T21:34:41  <earnestly> In both cases it's just indicating "You don't have to update"
377 2021-11-02T21:35:09  <luke-jr> earnestly: it's more important to upgrade for fixes (.1) than features (.0)
378 2021-11-02T21:35:47  <sipa> https://github.com/mahmoud/zerover/issues/112
379 2021-11-02T21:35:55  <earnestly> I don't know anymore, I've spent so many years looking at this, and I just can't see it as a long term viable model.  In the end it doesn't really matter and people do what they want
380 2021-11-02T21:36:31  <earnestly> But in general, and thankfully so, more people are realising that just keeping things up to date is a much better strategy than any notion of patching, backporting, etc.
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382 2021-11-02T21:36:45  <luke-jr> earnestly: it's not
383 2021-11-02T21:37:23  <earnestly> Considering backporting empricially doesn't even work
384 2021-11-02T21:37:29  <shiza> In a world that Bitcoin never hard forks itself, the leading 0 is unnecesary.
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386 2021-11-02T21:37:30  <luke-jr> of course it does
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388 2021-11-02T21:37:37  <earnestly> Not even redhat and debian can keep up with the CVEs, let alone the non-CVEs
389 2021-11-02T21:37:40  <luke-jr> shiza: the version is for Bitcoin Core, not Bitcoin
390 2021-11-02T21:37:41  <earnestly> That's how you get glibc GHOST
391 2021-11-02T21:37:56  <luke-jr> earnestly: nobody said backporting needs to be centralised
392 2021-11-02T21:38:18  <earnestly> So no, backporting is a fools game.  Security researchers have been calling this out for over a decade now
393 2021-11-02T21:38:22  <shiza> I need more sleep, obviously.
394 2021-11-02T21:38:23  <earnestly> So, people are learning, slowly
395 2021-11-02T21:38:54  <earnestly> luke-jr: There is no backporting outside of people dedicated, and paid, to do so.  Everything else is version pinning
396 2021-11-02T21:38:55  <luke-jr> earnestly: bleeding edge introduces new vulns
397 2021-11-02T21:39:27  <earnestly> This is true, it introduces unknowns.  But addressing the knowns is more valuable
398 2021-11-02T21:39:35  <luke-jr> that's what backports do
399 2021-11-02T21:39:53  <earnestly> In theory this is true but in practice it doesn't pan out
400 2021-11-02T21:40:17  <earnestly> It could be one of those 80/20 things at best but even then it's not even close
401 2021-11-02T21:40:28  <earnestly> (And that's just for stuff which is open source, and backportable)
402 2021-11-02T21:40:39  <shiza> You are both right, unfortunately.
403 2021-11-02T21:40:47  <luke-jr> earnestly: are you saying Core 0.20.2 has known vulnerabilities?
404 2021-11-02T21:41:12  <luke-jr> what isn't panning out with it?
405 2021-11-02T21:41:13  <earnestly> I assume any non-trivial codebase has them
406 2021-11-02T21:41:32  <earnestly> backporting doesn't scale, it doesn't work as a strategy
407 2021-11-02T21:41:46  <lightlike> sipa: your zerover Issue seems unnecessary to me, Bitcoin is rightfully listed in the "Emeritii" section as a former member of the club.
408 2021-11-02T21:41:50  <luke-jr> 0.20.2 is likely more secure than 22.0 (aside from the impending degradation of 0.20 due to Taproot)
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410 2021-11-02T21:42:10  <earnestly> You can have a microcosm of developers and users maintaining backporting for a specific bit of software for some time but eventually they burn out and stop
411 2021-11-02T21:42:11  <sipa> lightlike: OH!
412 2021-11-02T21:42:31  <luke-jr> earnestly: it extends the lifetime
413 2021-11-02T21:42:42  <shiza> earnestly: a single active branch difficults planning upgrades
414 2021-11-02T21:42:51  <luke-jr> earnestly: it gives the newer versions more time to mature, and have their bugs worked out
415 2021-11-02T21:43:00  <sipa> Certainly backport releases get much less testing than master, and that's unfortunate. But we're also not going to stop creating backports. Sometimes new features actually unintentionally interfere with how the software is used by some.
416 2021-11-02T21:43:00  <earnestly> shiza: branch management is outside of it
417 2021-11-02T21:43:21  <sipa> earnestly: i really have no idea what you're talking about
418 2021-11-02T21:43:31  <earnestly> luke-jr: At the same rate it regresses the bug discovery rate as fewer use it
419 2021-11-02T21:43:39  <sipa> the project maintainers create backport releases, just along with new releases
420 2021-11-02T21:43:46  <luke-jr> earnestly: no, not the same rate
421 2021-11-02T21:43:49  <earnestly> Not all project maintainers do that
422 2021-11-02T21:43:57  <shiza> earnestly: no, if you only maintain master, distros can't keep up to it, and people is forced to compile compilers
423 2021-11-02T21:44:00  <luke-jr> earnestly: bugs discovered in 22.0 that predate it will get fixed in backports
424 2021-11-02T21:44:03  <sipa> earnestly: this channel is about Bitcoin Core development
425 2021-11-02T21:44:06  <earnestly> shiza: I'm not suggesting that
426 2021-11-02T21:44:10  <sipa> i'm not talking about anything else
427 2021-11-02T21:44:16  <luke-jr> ^
428 2021-11-02T21:44:19  <earnestly> sipa: I'm only mentioning it to luke-jr, not you
429 2021-11-02T21:44:35  <luke-jr> earnestly: blaming backports because some people don't do backports, is nonsense
430 2021-11-02T21:44:50  <earnestly> I didn't blame backports for anything
431 2021-11-02T21:44:52  <sipa> certainly if nobody used the backport releases at all, we shouldn't make them
432 2021-11-02T21:45:09  <earnestly> Yeah, that sort of thing is completely up to you
433 2021-11-02T21:45:19  <sipa> but they are used; not nearly as much as new releases, but they see usage
434 2021-11-02T21:45:41  <sipa> earnestly: i have no idea what you're trying to argue for, or against, then
435 2021-11-02T21:45:43  <earnestly> Yeah, backporting and patches are still quite common for the time being
436 2021-11-02T21:45:58  <luke-jr> On another note, any idea if this is legit C++? namespace x { class y { static void z(); }; }
437 2021-11-02T21:46:05  <luke-jr> or do you need the full class definition?
438 2021-11-02T21:46:11  <sipa> luke-jr: legal
439 2021-11-02T21:46:24  <luke-jr> sipa: ty
440 2021-11-02T21:46:50  <sipa> you can have a "void x::y::z() { ... }" or "namespace x { void y::z() { ... } }" afterwards to provide the definition
441 2021-11-02T21:46:58  <earnestly> shiza: (fwiw, I did once make a distro with nothing but HEAD/tip versions of everything from glibc, mpfr, etc. to linux, ffmpeg, etc.)
442 2021-11-02T21:47:23  <shiza> earnestly: I understood your point (the second time)
443 2021-11-02T21:48:23  <luke-jr> earnestly: sounds like Gentoo with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=⁑ :p
444 2021-11-02T21:48:38  <luke-jr> (minus the Unicode ofc)
445 2021-11-02T21:49:03  <earnestly> It was a LFS style thing
446 2021-11-02T21:49:13  <earnestly> (CLFS specifically)
447 2021-11-02T21:49:48  <fjahr> #23154 seems to be ready for merge
448 2021-11-02T21:49:49  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23154 | doc: add assumeutxo notes by jamesob · Pull Request #23154 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
449 2021-11-02T21:51:03  <earnestly> luke-jr: (On a side note, I can't express how nice git (or any vcs) for providing a nice standard way to pull/clone/checkout all these repos)
450 2021-11-02T21:56:54  <luke-jr> sipa: what if x::y::z is private in the real class? :x
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454 2021-11-02T21:59:50  <sipa> luke-jr: doesn't matter, afaict
455 2021-11-02T22:00:57  <sipa> private/protected/public is about access to members from other classes
456 2021-11-02T22:01:05  <sipa> it's not about where the implementation code can live
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458 2021-11-02T22:02:51  <satoshi> Bitcoin 0.1.0 : static const int VERSION = 101;   Bitcoin 0.3.0 : static const int VERSION = 300;   Bitcoin 0.10.0 : return strprintf("%d.%d.%d", nVersion / 1000000, (nVersion / 10000) % 100, (nVersion / 100) % 100);  Additional: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0014.mediawiki
459 2021-11-02T22:09:39  <sipa> satoshi: that change was made in release v0.3.13, in september 2010, by satoshi
460 2021-11-02T22:10:35  <sipa> commit a790fa46f40d751307f86c37a709eb119768ce5b
461 2021-11-02T22:10:35  <sipa> Author: s_nakamoto <s_nakamoto@1a98c847-1fd6-4fd8-948a-caf3550aa51b>
462 2021-11-02T22:10:35  <sipa> Date:   Thu Sep 30 16:23:07 2010 +0000
463 2021-11-02T22:10:35  <sipa> don't count or spend payments until they have 1 confirmation, misc cleanup, changed internal version number from 312 to 31300 -- version 0.3.13
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467 2021-11-02T22:24:51  <satoshi> BIP 14: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0014.mediawiki should be followed.  Changing from 0.21.x to 22.x is disruptive.
468 2021-11-02T22:25:43  <sipa> satoshi: you seem to have problems reading
469 2021-11-02T22:25:57  <sipa> BIP14 is about separating the protocol version from the implementation version
470 2021-11-02T22:27:15  <sipa> it's not dictating how implementations choose to set their version numbers (in fact, it's the opposite; it's letting them choose it independently from the protocol version number)
471 2021-11-02T22:27:35  <sipa> anyway, this discussion is going nowhere
472 2021-11-02T22:27:52  <sipa> at this point i'm going to assume you're a troll
473 2021-11-02T22:29:32  <satoshi> We talking about Bitcoin Core not the version number of Spesmilo.
474 2021-11-02T22:34:09  <satoshi> BIP 14 don't say that we should have 22.0, it is however referring to RFC 1945
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478 2021-11-02T22:56:26  <satoshi> sipa, can you link me the discussion about https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/8f7b93047581c67f2133cdb8c7845471de66c30f
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