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154 2021-11-04T14:52:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23438: Use spans of std::byte in serialize (master...2105-uin8t) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23438
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197 2021-11-04T17:31:34  <yanmaani> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1223 what's going on with this PR
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199 2021-11-04T17:31:54  <yanmaani> why are there comments older than the PR
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201 2021-11-04T17:33:12  <yanmaani> did he just select 2 random branches, hit the PR button, and then write some stuff in the box?
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203 2021-11-04T17:41:14  <michaelfolkson> yanmaani: I don't know what he did specifically but it has happened before too during the Taproot activation param discussion (I think that was due to comments on a private PR that was made public). You can't rely on the GitHub timestamping
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205 2021-11-04T17:43:50  <michaelfolkson> If timestamps are important we should probably be using OpenTimestamps
206 2021-11-04T17:44:06  <luke-jr> maybe comments made on the commits before the PR was opened?
207 2021-11-04T17:44:31  <michaelfolkson> Yeah maybe
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210 2021-11-04T17:57:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] martinus opened pull request #23439: Open streams_test_tmp file in temporary folder (master...2021-11-allow-concurrent-streams_buffered_file_rand) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23439
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219 2021-11-04T19:00:19  <laanwj> #startmeeting
220 2021-11-04T19:00:19  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Nov  4 19:00:18 2021 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
221 2021-11-04T19:00:19  <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
222 2021-11-04T19:00:32  <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
223 2021-11-04T19:00:34  <laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
224 2021-11-04T19:00:43  <jonatack> hi
225 2021-11-04T19:00:52  <ariard> hi
226 2021-11-04T19:00:56  <jarolrod> Hi
227 2021-11-04T19:01:02  <kvaciral[m]> hi
228 2021-11-04T19:01:13  <michaelfolkson> hi
229 2021-11-04T19:01:22  <laanwj> no pre-proposed meeting topics for this week, anyone who would like to discuss anything?
230 2021-11-04T19:02:14  <laanwj> for example what they're working on
231 2021-11-04T19:02:26  <glozow> hi
232 2021-11-04T19:02:27  <achow101> Hi
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234 2021-11-04T19:02:41  <sipa> hi
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236 2021-11-04T19:02:56  <b10c> hi
237 2021-11-04T19:03:06  <sipa> #proposedmeetingtopic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer
238 2021-11-04T19:03:17  <andytoshi> hi
239 2021-11-04T19:03:47  <laanwj> let's start with high priority for review as usual
240 2021-11-04T19:03:52  <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
241 2021-11-04T19:03:52  <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
242 2021-11-04T19:04:16  <laanwj> currently https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8  11 blockers, 1 chasing concept ACK
243 2021-11-04T19:04:32  <laanwj> anything to add, remove, or that is almost ready for merge?
244 2021-11-04T19:04:32  <luke-jr> #proposedmeetingtopic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296
245 2021-11-04T19:06:34  <laanwj> none at all?
246 2021-11-04T19:06:59  <sipa> lots of people at tabconf right now
247 2021-11-04T19:07:17  <laanwj> #topic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa)
248 2021-11-04T19:07:17  <core-meetingbot> topic: andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa)
249 2021-11-04T19:07:27  <laanwj> sipa: ohh
250 2021-11-04T19:07:36  <sipa> i defer to andytoshi :p
251 2021-11-04T19:07:47  <andytoshi> hiya -- i opened issue https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/issues/1003 on libsecp with a GPG-signed note
252 2021-11-04T19:07:57  <andytoshi> basically saying, i have not been active as a maintainer so i'm rescinding my merge access
253 2021-11-04T19:08:00  <andytoshi> i will still be a contributor
254 2021-11-04T19:08:18  <andytoshi> basically, no practical change in my involvement in the bitcoin community -- just dropping merge access from this specific repo
255 2021-11-04T19:08:46  <andytoshi> as of nov 8, which was an arbitrary "after i've had time to inform everyone, and to avoid the appearence of me being under duress or whatever, but otherwise immediately"
256 2021-11-04T19:09:03  <andytoshi> </end>
257 2021-11-04T19:09:23  <laanwj> yes, good to drop merge access if you're effectively not using it, good luck in your other projects!
258 2021-11-04T19:09:27  <andytoshi> thanks!
259 2021-11-04T19:10:26  <laanwj> thanks for letting us know
260 2021-11-04T19:10:38  <laanwj> #topic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr)
261 2021-11-04T19:10:38  <core-meetingbot> topic: reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr)
262 2021-11-04T19:11:01  <luke-jr> looking through actual translations, several of them did in fact make use of the %n feature, so it seems like this was a bad idea resulting in worse translations
263 2021-11-04T19:11:22  <laanwj> not sure this makes sense discussing without hebasato present
264 2021-11-04T19:11:25  <luke-jr> right
265 2021-11-04T19:11:25  <michaelfolkson> Who are the other maintainers of secp256k1 btw?
266 2021-11-04T19:11:26  <laanwj> hebasto*
267 2021-11-04T19:11:35  <luke-jr> but it would be nice to reach out to the actual translators affected
268 2021-11-04T19:11:37  <jarolrod> I can’t attest to the quality in the change of the translations
269 2021-11-04T19:11:40  <sipa> real_or_random, nickler, me
270 2021-11-04T19:11:42  <luke-jr> unfortunately I didn't see a good way to do so
271 2021-11-04T19:11:45  <michaelfolkson> sipa: Thanks
272 2021-11-04T19:12:00  <jarolrod> But if they were negatively impacted, it would not be controversial to revert
273 2021-11-04T19:12:03  <laanwj> i really cannot judge this, i don't know any languages in which this particular change makes a difference
274 2021-11-04T19:12:06  <laanwj> right
275 2021-11-04T19:12:07  <jarolrod> As it is evidence that it was being used
276 2021-11-04T19:12:18  <laanwj> it was being used but was it being used correctly
277 2021-11-04T19:12:25  <laanwj> we need someone that knows the language in question
278 2021-11-04T19:12:26  <luke-jr> does anyone know a good way to reach the translators of these languages? :/
279 2021-11-04T19:12:39  <sipa> which languages are affected?
280 2021-11-04T19:12:49  <achow101> transifex has a message function
281 2021-11-04T19:12:55  <laanwj> you could send a message on transifex
282 2021-11-04T19:12:57  <luke-jr> bg, ca, eo, es_CL, fr, he, hr, pl, ro, sk, sl, sv, szl
283 2021-11-04T19:13:00  <luke-jr> achow101: but there's so many
284 2021-11-04T19:13:15  <luke-jr> I'd have to message each one individually, and no idea which are active
285 2021-11-04T19:13:22  <laanwj> or even a more general wide message to get people to give their opinion on this
286 2021-11-04T19:13:37  <luke-jr> hmm, I suppose an announcement could work?
287 2021-11-04T19:13:39  <laanwj> yes
288 2021-11-04T19:13:49  <lightlike> did native speakers of any of the affected languages confirm that it's needed, and translations are worse now? they are not particularly exotic (e.g. fr, sv)
289 2021-11-04T19:14:03  <luke-jr> lightlike: no, that's why I want to reach out ☺
290 2021-11-04T19:15:00  <luke-jr> should I link this PR in the announcement? or some better way?
291 2021-11-04T19:15:15  <luke-jr> I guess translators might not have GitHub
292 2021-11-04T19:15:18  <laanwj> you can't assume people on transifex have a github account
293 2021-11-04T19:15:29  <luke-jr> hebasto said "Translators can open issues on transifex.com that are associated to the translatable strings."
294 2021-11-04T19:15:39  <luke-jr> maybe I can make a tutorial for doing so
295 2021-11-04T19:15:49  <laanwj> yes, there is some mechanism for that, not sure how well it works
296 2021-11-04T19:16:07  <jarolrod> ^^^^^^ only if it helps with your explanation of what the change was
297 2021-11-04T19:16:11  <luke-jr> and this only gets negative feedback - no way to tell if people read the msg
298 2021-11-04T19:16:51  <luke-jr> maybe a new issue to track it?
299 2021-11-04T19:16:58  <luke-jr> err, that's github again >_<
300 2021-11-04T19:17:41  <laanwj> you could make a) an announcement about the change b) then put your mail adres or such for people to contact you in case it causes problems
301 2021-11-04T19:17:51  <laanwj> if no one contacts you, it's clear
302 2021-11-04T19:18:05  <luke-jr> well, if noone contacts me it might just be nobody sees the announcements :P
303 2021-11-04T19:18:16  <laanwj> well if no one cares what can you do
304 2021-11-04T19:18:24  <laanwj> better to drop it maybe :)
305 2021-11-04T19:18:55  <luke-jr> I'll run a draft ann by people here later
306 2021-11-04T19:19:00  <laanwj> thanks!
307 2021-11-04T19:19:40  <laanwj> any other topics?
308 2021-11-04T19:20:33  <laanwj> (this is yet again an example of lack of communication with translators, if we had a moderator/reviewer as point of contact for every language it'd be much easier)
309 2021-11-04T19:21:06  <michaelfolkson> I think jarolrod and hebasto are revamping the process?
310 2021-11-04T19:21:11  <michaelfolkson> Or intending to?
311 2021-11-04T19:21:14  <laanwj> yes
312 2021-11-04T19:21:23  <jarolrod> While here, at cordev I had presented on issues with translations
313 2021-11-04T19:21:42  <jarolrod> I’m writing up an issue to present to the community some proposals on the revamp
314 2021-11-04T19:21:51  <jarolrod> Will share soon :)
315 2021-11-04T19:21:56  <michaelfolkson> Cool :)
316 2021-11-04T19:22:09  <laanwj> great!
317 2021-11-04T19:22:54  <laanwj> #endmeeting
318 2021-11-04T19:22:54  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
319 2021-11-04T19:22:54  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Nov  4 19:22:54 2021 UTC.
320 2021-11-04T19:22:54  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-11-04-19.00.moin.txt
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326 2021-11-04T19:37:33  <luke-jr> draft announcement for transifex: https://gist.github.com/luke-jr/7802b7601812a17f883adabe12823f1f
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330 2021-11-04T19:44:23  <luke-jr> laanwj: jarolrod: hebasto: ^
331 2021-11-04T19:45:07  <luke-jr> (I did not see any way for translators to report issues on Transifex)
332 2021-11-04T19:45:12  <laanwj> luke-jr: looks good to me
333 2021-11-04T19:45:49  <jarolrod> Looks good to me as well
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342 2021-11-04T20:16:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv opened pull request #23440: Bip324 ellsq buildwoes (master...bip324-ellsq-buildwoes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23440
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345 2021-11-04T20:17:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv closed pull request #23440: Bip324 ellsq buildwoes (master...bip324-ellsq-buildwoes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23440
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348 2021-11-04T20:18:15  <dhruv> Is there a way to configure github to by default make PRs against master on my fork, instead of defaulting to the fork's upstream repo?
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352 2021-11-04T20:28:58  <objdefined[m]> Hello guys
353 2021-11-04T20:29:30  <objdefined[m]> I'm curious about your thoughts on trusting cryptocurrency exchanges.
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366 2021-11-04T21:09:07  <hebasto> luke-jr: ack on announcement
367 2021-11-04T21:11:28  <hebasto> luke-jr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QO4iHaYz/DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20211104231105.png
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376 2021-11-04T21:47:13  <common> when are bitcoin core dev meetings?
377 2021-11-04T21:50:53  <luke-jr> hebasto: I can't find that screenshotted thing anywhere
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379 2021-11-04T21:53:20  <luke-jr> posted https://www.transifex.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/announcements/12955/
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395 2021-11-04T22:26:04  <michaelfolkson> dhruv: Doesn't look like it https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31573448/how-to-set-default-fork-for-pull-requests
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397 2021-11-04T22:27:25  <michaelfolkson> objdefined[m]: Wrong channel, this is focused on Core development. Try #bitcoin
398 2021-11-04T22:28:42  <michaelfolkson> common: 19:00 UTC on Thursdays for Core. 19:00 UTC on Friday every 2 weeks for Core wallet
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400 2021-11-04T22:31:20  <common> ty michaelfolkson
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406 2021-11-04T22:49:46  <Guest58> Hi
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