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 16 2021-11-12T01:22:14  <pinheadmz_> is there any taproot activity on testnet? or is it all on signet?
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 18 2021-11-12T01:26:48  <sipa> We don't always test consensus changes, but when we do, we do it on mainnet.
 19 2021-11-12T01:27:26  <pinheadmz_> lol sipa did you start drinking early ;-)
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 21 2021-11-12T01:33:52  <pinheadmz_> ok found some https://blockstream.info/testnet/address/tb1pzlm7sgt8s05k06988yp3nj2nsjaaqjfvgeja95t9dgz8ckrncfys70st06
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 32 2021-11-12T02:01:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 10 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bc03823e26d1...c1fb30633b6d
 33 2021-11-12T02:01:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b6487dc fanquake: Squashed 'src/minisketch/' content from commit 89629eb2c7
 34 2021-11-12T02:01:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 07f0a61 fanquake: Merge commit 'b6487dc4ef47ec9ea894eceac25f37d0b806f8aa' as 'src/minisketch'
 35 2021-11-12T02:01:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b2904ce Cory Fields: build: add configure checks for minisketch
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 38 2021-11-12T02:01:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23114: Add minisketch subtree and integrate into build/test (master...minisketch_integration_takeover) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23114
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 41 2021-11-12T02:05:21  <roasbeef> so have been debugging an issue w/ lnd and btcpay which led me to inquire w.r.t how many listening non-pruned nodes there actually are rn: https://twitter.com/roasbeef/status/1458977490160947200?s=20
 42 2021-11-12T02:05:36  <roasbeef> does that figure look accurate to ppl? prepping to run a script on my own nodes peer.json/dat rn
 43 2021-11-12T02:05:55  <roasbeef> background is that in lnd 0.13 we started to "officially" support pruned nodes by fetching blocks we need from the p2p network if the node doesn't have it
 44 2021-11-12T02:06:03  <roasbeef> we get those peers from the connected set of the pruned node
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 46 2021-11-12T02:06:18  <roasbeef> but we're seeing issues where many of their peers are actually _also_ pruned, so lnd can't get the blocks it needs
 47 2021-11-12T02:10:43  <roasbeef> I recall there was something lofty proposal for nodes to start advertising their block range/ guessing that never fully took off?
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 60 2021-11-12T02:57:09  <sipa> roasbeef: there were some ideas around that, but i think that's what eventually turned into the NETWORK_LIMITED proposal
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 62 2021-11-12T02:57:57  <sipa> roasbeef: do you mean nodes look like they're pruned but advertizing it incorrectly?
 63 2021-11-12T03:14:48  <roasbeef> sipa: no I think they're advertising it correctly, just this situation where these pruned btcpay bitcoind nodes need to get blocks from peers, but turns out all their peers are actually pruned themselves
 64 2021-11-12T03:15:18  <roasbeef> ran a script of one of my own btcd nodes, and out of the 37k peers in its peers.json, 1606 of them (4%) signal both witness and aren't pruned
 65 2021-11-12T03:16:55  <roasbeef> this is just addrs it has, no guarantee all of them are actually live/reachable/listening
 66 2021-11-12T03:19:26  <sipa> perhaps this is more a problem that too few of the addrs you learn are reachable/listening?
 67 2021-11-12T03:19:50  <sipa> (rather than too few of those listening/reachable ones being non-pruned)
 68 2021-11-12T03:20:04  <roasbeef> perhaps, but this isn't just my node, luke's stats (however they calcuated) show a similar percentage when taking into account all nodes he's ever seen
 69 2021-11-12T03:20:25  <roasbeef> basically have bene trying to get to the bottom of this weird bug for btcpay server, and turns out it's that the nodes of all these users are only connected to other pruned nodes for the most part
 70 2021-11-12T03:20:44  <sipa> interesting
 71 2021-11-12T03:21:32  <sipa> so is there some sort of clustering behavior, where pruned nodes are more likely to be connected to other pruned nodes than average?
 72 2021-11-12T03:22:55  <roasbeef> yeh not sure, perhaps? our code will also periodically poll getnodeaddresses as well to account for the fact that a node amy just have a set of poor connections
 73 2021-11-12T03:23:08  <luke-jr> well, with 8 outbound connections, that's only ~12%, so if archive nodes are <12%, it's fairly possible you might just not have one?
 74 2021-11-12T03:23:10  <roasbeef> but seems in practice that isn't helping out much either
 75 2021-11-12T03:23:49  <sipa> my own long-running node seems to have mostly pruned peers as outbounds as well
 76 2021-11-12T03:24:10  <roasbeef> the plot thickens...
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 84 2021-11-12T03:45:18  <jeremyrubin> We could add a rule to give inbound priority to unpruned nodes? It's not gameable since we can ask for a random piece of txdata as a challenge response game
 85 2021-11-12T03:46:17  <jeremyrubin> E.g. oh you say you're a full node? Give me the nth txn in block at height x
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 87 2021-11-12T03:47:08  <jeremyrubin> Then you can spv check it and ban if not correct
 88 2021-11-12T03:47:52  <jeremyrubin> It isn't bad overhead since this is for outbound connections from the full node, so presumably were ok making that more expensive to do
 89 2021-11-12T03:48:40  <jeremyrubin> This can even be done on some basis (e.g. daily?) to ensure the node doesn't switch to pruned
 90 2021-11-12T03:53:19  <sipa> you can't ask for arbitrary transactions
 91 2021-11-12T03:53:26  <sipa> only full blocks
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 93 2021-11-12T03:55:44  <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: if I have a full node, I can pass on the challenge ;)
 94 2021-11-12T03:56:15  <luke-jr> the real questionis why a node should insist on a peer being archival, unless it is in IBD..
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100 2021-11-12T04:13:26  <sipa> right
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102 2021-11-12T04:15:34  <achow101> are you sure they're all pruned? NETWORK and NETWORK_LIMITED aren't mutually exclusive
103 2021-11-12T04:16:22  <sipa> oh!
104 2021-11-12T04:17:05  <achow101> we advertise both without pruning, and just NETWORK_LIMITED if pruned
105 2021-11-12T04:17:43  <sipa> only 3 out of my 10 outbound peers don't have NETWORK
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135 2021-11-12T05:50:18  <jeremyrubin> sipa: if you can request a block you can definitely request a txn?
136 2021-11-12T05:51:38  <jeremyrubin> luke-jr if you run archival it's low cost for you to do the challenge and it's only outbound peers (one you picked) doing the challenge also gets you a slot on that node you wouldn't otherwise get
137 2021-11-12T05:52:16  <jeremyrubin> A node should try to know how to reach one archival node to help new nodes join the network
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177 2021-11-12T08:49:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c1fb30633b6d...1ff265a20c36
178 2021-11-12T08:49:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a749fa5 John Newbery: [addrman] Remove AddrMan friends
179 2021-11-12T08:49:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7784a9a John Newbery: [addrman] [tests] Remove deterministic argument and member from AddrManTes...
180 2021-11-12T08:49:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d02098d John Newbery: [addrman] [tests] Tidy up unused arguments in addrman test functions
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183 2021-11-12T08:49:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23477: addrman: tidy up unit tests (master...2021-11-addrman-tidyups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23477
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188 2021-11-12T08:58:05  <laanwj> ^ seems like a bit of a rushed merge? i think jnewbery should have had time to respond to thestack's nits
189 2021-11-12T08:59:44  <laanwj> even if the response is 'i prefer not to do this'
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204 2021-11-12T09:43:48  <jnewbery> laanwj: I've responded to the review comments
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209 2021-11-12T10:00:09  <b10c> roasbeef: based on https://www.dsn.kastel.kit.edu/bitcoin/ data on publicly reachable nodes: 12.50% pruned SegWit nodes
210 2021-11-12T10:00:46  <b10c> 76.32% are non-pruned SegWit (i.e. have NETWORK, NETWORK_LIMITED, and WITNESS set)
211 2021-11-12T10:01:39  <b10c> https://gist.github.com/0xB10C/c9d715500665df46862e35b0e2b4209d
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213 2021-11-12T10:02:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23491: scripted-diff: Move minisketchwrapper to src/node (master...2111-libNode) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23491
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220 2021-11-12T10:43:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23492: test: tidy up addrman unit tests (master...2111-testAddrm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23492
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239 2021-11-12T11:32:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #23494: build: minor boost tidyups (master...boost_cleanups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23494
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249 2021-11-12T12:04:47  <laanwj> jnewbery: thanks
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301 2021-11-12T14:10:32  <sipa> jeremyrubin: getdata for transactions only works for recently announced ones
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313 2021-11-12T14:36:27  <MarcoFalke> Assuming I have a minisketch with capacity 1, two entries. And another one with no entries. Does Decode(1) on the difference return false or true?
314 2021-11-12T14:36:37  <MarcoFalke> I'd expect false, but it does return true in my fuzz test
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317 2021-11-12T14:40:00  <sipa> MarcoFalke: is one of the entries 0?
318 2021-11-12T14:40:29  <MarcoFalke> The entries are 4193909242 and 1
319 2021-11-12T14:41:01  <MarcoFalke> the large one is f9f9f9fa in hex
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321 2021-11-12T14:41:31  <sipa> there is always a probability that decoding succeeds even if the capacity is exceeded
322 2021-11-12T14:41:47  <sipa> the fuzzer may have found an input for which that is the case
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327 2021-11-12T14:54:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #23495: build: Bump Fonconfig version up to 2.12.6 (master...211112-fc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23495
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330 2021-11-12T15:01:14  <MarcoFalke> ok, thx
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332 2021-11-12T15:01:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23496: fuzz: Add minisketch fuzz test (master...2111-fuzzMiniSketch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23496
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340 2021-11-12T15:08:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1ff265a20c36...c9dd5c8d6e59
341 2021-11-12T15:08:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab9264 MarcoFalke: test: Remove unused CDataStream copy
342 2021-11-12T15:08:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0000eda MarcoFalke: style: Use 4 spaces for indentation, not 5
343 2021-11-12T15:08:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c9dd5c8 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23492: test: tidy up addrman unit tests
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346 2021-11-12T15:11:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #23492: test: tidy up addrman unit tests (master...2111-testAddrm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23492
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359 2021-11-12T15:49:34  <jnewbery> sipa: getrawtransaction will succeed if the block hash is passed (and the block is available on disk)
360 2021-11-12T15:50:03  <sipa> jnewbery: we're talking about P2P
361 2021-11-12T15:50:15  <sipa> (i thought?)
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368 2021-11-12T16:13:44  <jnewbery> I think jeremyrubin is proposing to add a new p2p message that requests a tx from a given block
369 2021-11-12T16:14:17  <jnewbery> > < jeremyrubin> E.g. oh you say you're a full node? Give me the nth txn in block at height x
370 2021-11-12T16:14:38  <sipa> i didn't interpret that as adding a new message, but sure, no technical reason why that couldn't be done
371 2021-11-12T16:15:13  <sipa> generating merkle proofs for that would be kind of expensive though
372 2021-11-12T16:15:23  <sipa> (similar to the BIP37 dos potential)
373 2021-11-12T16:15:25  <jnewbery> right, I'm not saying it's a good idea :)
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375 2021-11-12T16:22:45  <jeremyrubin> You can't get dos'd through this because it's only for outbound peers from the prover, and we only really need to do a challenge every now and again. You could of course just send the whole block but that seems a waste of bandwidth
376 2021-11-12T16:23:12  <jeremyrubin> You can limit how often you're willing to re verify
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378 2021-11-12T16:27:13  <luke-jr> why a merkle proof?
379 2021-11-12T16:27:15  <luke-jr> just send the txid?
380 2021-11-12T16:27:51  <luke-jr> or heck, it could just be a random 16 bytes from the block (though that forces a specific serialisation so maybe worse)
381 2021-11-12T16:28:16  <luke-jr> but *any* proof is going to be MITM-able, and why is there a desire to do so anyway?
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383 2021-11-12T16:29:49  <sipa> you could do better actually
384 2021-11-12T16:29:52  <sipa> send a challenge
385 2021-11-12T16:29:54  <sipa> and a txid
386 2021-11-12T16:30:14  <sipa> and have them respond with hmac(key=challenge, msg=tx)
387 2021-11-12T16:31:03  <sipa> (still unconvinced this is desirable at all, just pointing out that one can prove to have a tx without building a merkle proof for it, if the challenger already has the tx as well)
388 2021-11-12T16:34:59  <jeremyrubin> The verifier runs a pruned node
389 2021-11-12T16:35:48  <jeremyrubin> They have headers but not the tx, that's why the challenge is the nth transaction at some block
390 2021-11-12T16:36:15  <sipa> ah, right
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392 2021-11-12T16:37:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #23497: Add `src/node/` and `src/wallet/` code to `node::` and `wallet::` namespaces (master...pr/names) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23497
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394 2021-11-12T16:37:37  <jeremyrubin> W.r.t. it being MITM-able, the challenge is forward able sure. But only to a dishonest archival node.
395 2021-11-12T16:38:23  <jeremyrubin> You can also do a fair coin flip type thing to select the block/txn so that it guarantees there's no possibility of forwarding the request to any honest node even w rate limit
396 2021-11-12T16:38:42  <jeremyrubin> But tbh this is too in the weeds.
397 2021-11-12T16:39:05  <jeremyrubin> The main question is is it desirable to ensure that every pruned node has a connection to at least one archival node?
398 2021-11-12T16:40:20  <sipa> i'm not sure that it is
399 2021-11-12T16:40:25  <sipa> (also not sure that it isn't)
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402 2021-11-12T16:59:16  <jeremyrubin> Is it desirable to ensure that a member of the graph of archival nodes willing to serve blocks  is easily discoverable for new peers?
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404 2021-11-12T17:02:07  <sipa> nodes rumour peer addresses regardless of whether they're node_network or not
405 2021-11-12T17:02:32  <sipa> so unless there is some reason to believe there is a clustering effect that we want to counteract, i'm not sure that's a useful criterion
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420 2021-11-12T17:39:40  <Guest78> าีั
421 2021-11-12T17:39:43  <Guest78> kuy
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424 2021-11-12T17:43:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #23498: test: remove unnecessary block rehashing prior to solving (master...202111-test-remove_superflous_block_rehashs_before_solving) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23498
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429 2021-11-12T18:17:16  <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: the pruned verifier just asks his own peer to verify it for him
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433 2021-11-12T18:58:47  <jeremyrubin> As noted above making the challenge the result of a fair coin flip blocks that forwardability issue
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466 2021-11-12T20:42:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #23499: multiprocess: Add interfaces::Node::broadCastTransaction method (master...pr/ipc-broadcast) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23499
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486 2021-11-12T21:31:37  <bitcoin-git> [gui] achow101 opened pull request #469: gui: Load Base64 PSBT string from file (master...b64-psbt-gui) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/469
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493 2021-11-12T21:47:23  <achow101> anyone doing taproot spends notice that sometimes taproot spends end up severely under the feerate target?
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495 2021-11-12T21:49:08  <sipa> achow101: hmm, how?
496 2021-11-12T21:50:00  <achow101> sipa: seems like with some(?) script path spends it ends up way under the target feerate
497 2021-11-12T21:50:17  <achow101> I think it's that the estimation occurs on the key path, but then script path is actually used
498 2021-11-12T21:50:40  <achow101> just noticed this while trying to construct a script path spend
499 2021-11-12T21:51:35  <achow101> also trying to write a test, and the size esimation seems to be ending up 1 byte short too (key path spend fails, with estimated vsize 1 vbyte less than real vsize)
500 2021-11-12T21:54:17  <sipa> ah yes, for script path spend i can imagine it's wildly off
501 2021-11-12T21:56:11  <achow101> why would it be?
502 2021-11-12T21:56:25  <achow101> if the actual signer uses the script path, shouldn't the dummy signer figure that out as well?
503 2021-11-12T21:56:33  <sipa> hmm
504 2021-11-12T21:57:07  <achow101> I think the dummy signer thinks we have the privkey for the internal key
505 2021-11-12T21:57:12  <achow101> but for this particular construction, we don't
506 2021-11-12T21:58:41  <sipa> it's inherently difficult, because the role constructing the transaction may not know what path the signers will be using
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509 2021-11-12T22:02:44  <achow101> sure, but in the single signer context, it shouldn't be
510 2021-11-12T22:03:29  <sipa> true
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529 2021-11-12T23:13:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 16 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c9dd5c8d6e59...5cc083cd46ad
530 2021-11-12T23:13:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a874637 fanquake: build: AX_CHECK_LINK_FLAG serial 6
531 2021-11-12T23:13:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5e6bc43 fanquake: build: cleanup AX_CHECK_LINK_FLAG() usage
532 2021-11-12T23:13:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3dd6c1 fanquake: build: AX_CHECK_COMPILE_FLAG() serial 6
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535 2021-11-12T23:13:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23473: build: boring autotools cleanup (master...boring_autotools_cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23473
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547 2021-11-12T23:48:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rex4539 opened pull request #23500: depends, wallet: fix typos (master...typos) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23500
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