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 25 2021-11-19T01:18:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv opened pull request #23550: #23432 CI (master...__bip324-ellsq) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23550
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248 2021-11-19T13:47:38  <MarcoFalke> jonasschnelli: Looks like you are still being listed as maintainer (and reviewer) in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/fe03f7a37fd0ef05149161f6b95a25493e1fe38f/REVIEWERS#L20 Do you want to change that?
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250 2021-11-19T14:03:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #23552: Update Qt version for native Windows builds (master...211119-qt-msvc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23552
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259 2021-11-19T14:47:50  <Guest4> Where can I get valid I2P addresses to connect?
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261 2021-11-19T14:51:07  <sipa> Guest4: there are I2P addresses circulating on the network; if you run an I2P enabled node you'll learn of some
262 2021-11-19T14:51:35  <sipa> mine is hnbbyjpxx54623l555sta7pocy3se4sdgmuebi5k6reesz5rjp6q.b32.i2p
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268 2021-11-19T15:04:28  <Guest4> sipa: Thankls. But I am getting the error below when trying to connect.
269 2021-11-19T15:04:29  <Guest4> I2P: Error connecting to hnbbyjpxx54623l555sta7pocy3se4sdgmuebi5k6reesz5rjp6q.b32.i2p:0: Receive timeout (received 0 bytes without terminator before that)
270 2021-11-19T15:04:29  <Guest4> I2P: Control socket error: not connected
271 2021-11-19T15:04:30  <Guest4> The i2pd.service is active (running) and the config file has:
272 2021-11-19T15:04:30  <Guest4> i2pacceptincoming=true
273 2021-11-19T15:04:31  <Guest4> debug=tor
274 2021-11-19T15:04:31  <Guest4> debug=i2p
275 2021-11-19T15:04:32  <Guest4> onlynet=onion
276 2021-11-19T15:04:32  <Guest4> onlynet=i2p
277 2021-11-19T15:04:33  <Guest4> i2psam=127.0.0.1:7656
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287 2021-11-19T15:46:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23553: test: Remove sanitizer suppression implicit-signed-integer-truncation:netaddress.cpp (master...2111-testSanSup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23553
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291 2021-11-19T16:20:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23555: util: Add missing fstatfs to syscall sandbox (master...2111-sand) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23555
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319 2021-11-19T19:00:31  <achow101> #startmeeting
320 2021-11-19T19:00:31  <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Fri Nov 19 19:00:31 2021 UTC.  The chair is achow101. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
321 2021-11-19T19:00:32  <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
322 2021-11-19T19:00:32  <meshcollider> Anyone around for a wallet meeting?
323 2021-11-19T19:00:37  <provoostenator> hi
324 2021-11-19T19:00:39  <meshcollider> Oh hi :)
325 2021-11-19T19:00:54  <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd
326 2021-11-19T19:00:54  <achow101> phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
327 2021-11-19T19:01:02  <achow101> meshcollider: it seems so
328 2021-11-19T19:01:15  <sipa> hi
329 2021-11-19T19:01:18  <provoostenator> Tl&dr achow101 has many PR's,  most need review :-)
330 2021-11-19T19:01:41  <achow101> I have one pre-proposed meeting topic
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332 2021-11-19T19:01:57  <achow101> are there additional topics we should discuss today?
333 2021-11-19T19:01:58  <fjahr> hi
334 2021-11-19T19:02:14  <michaelfolkson> hi
335 2021-11-19T19:02:42  <achow101> #topic how to estimate sizes for taproot inputs (achow101)
336 2021-11-19T19:02:43  <core-meetingbot> topic: how to estimate sizes for taproot inputs (achow101)
337 2021-11-19T19:02:59  <sipa> that's a hard one
338 2021-11-19T19:03:04  <gene>  hi
339 2021-11-19T19:03:20  <sipa> one early idea from a while ago was that descriptors themselves can contain hints about which keys are available
340 2021-11-19T19:03:39  <provoostenator> That would suggest different participants have different descriptors.
341 2021-11-19T19:03:43  <sipa> indeed
342 2021-11-19T19:04:11  <achow101> sipa: how does miniscript deal with this problem?
343 2021-11-19T19:04:28  <sipa> the question is the same
344 2021-11-19T19:04:42  <sipa> sanket1729_: ping
345 2021-11-19T19:05:05  <provoostenator> Every wallet should be able to know what it can sign with?
346 2021-11-19T19:05:15  <sipa> miniscript as logic for doing size estimation given a set of availability information for keys/preimages
347 2021-11-19T19:05:23  <sipa> *has
348 2021-11-19T19:05:25  <provoostenator> The more tricky part is if a wallet can sign in 2 ways, but another wallet can only sign in 1
349 2021-11-19T19:05:42  <achow101> one part of this issue is that not all information is available to watch only wallets
350 2021-11-19T19:06:12  <achow101> I have a branch that does do better estimation if private keys are available as it will end up estimating with the branch it will sign with
351 2021-11-19T19:06:24  <provoostenator> Maybe WalletDescriptor can hold and serialize more info for this puprose?
352 2021-11-19T19:06:43  <sipa> it's perhaps metadata that should live outside of descriptors
353 2021-11-19T19:06:50  <fjahr> the underlying assumption of taproot is there is one cooperative path that should be the default, can't we assume the key spent then by default and only fall back to other hints when they are present?
354 2021-11-19T19:07:25  <provoostenator> WalletDescriptor tracks the range, creation time.  Though it doesn't track if the descriptor is change or not. So I supporse this info could be elsewhere too
355 2021-11-19T19:07:34  <achow101> fjahr: the problem is how do you know when to fallback
356 2021-11-19T19:08:01  <achow101> in particular if the inputs are not being chosen by the user
357 2021-11-19T19:09:01  <achow101> #23502 implements going with the largest case, but this means it will overpay if there is a script path
358 2021-11-19T19:09:02  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23502 | wallet: Avoid underpaying transaction fees when signing taproot spends by achow101 · Pull Request #23502 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
359 2021-11-19T19:09:02  <sipa> and it's complicated further by the fact that in psbt-land, you may be choosing the transaction before knowing who can sign
360 2021-11-19T19:09:06  <provoostenator> For now we could be lazy and just assume the keypath is used,  unless the send RPC specifies a script path?
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362 2021-11-19T19:09:30  <provoostenator> Similary a PSBT could specify the script path (needs a new field).
363 2021-11-19T19:10:07  <provoostenator> (send RPC or any of the other sending and signing RPC's)
364 2021-11-19T19:10:15  <sipa> for PSBT i think the problem decomposes into two separate ones
365 2021-11-19T19:10:28  <achow101> provoostenator: how would that work if you don't know what inputs will be chosen?
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367 2021-11-19T19:11:25  <provoostenator> You mean for SIGHASH_SINGLE type transactions?
368 2021-11-19T19:11:30  <sipa> one is the ability to tell walletcreatefundedstuffs which keys will be present at signing, to make it better estimate the signing cost
369 2021-11-19T19:11:52  <provoostenator> Or do you mean as part of coin selection?
370 2021-11-19T19:11:59  <sipa> coin selection
371 2021-11-19T19:12:11  <provoostenator> We'd have to asses for each coin which paths are available, seems indeed painful.
372 2021-11-19T19:12:15  <sipa> the other is making processpsbt only emit information about key/script paths whose signing cost falls within the intended feerate
373 2021-11-19T19:12:46  <sipa> so if it's instructed to construct something which assuming a key path will be used, it needn't include information about script paths at all (of which there could be tons)
374 2021-11-19T19:14:38  <achow101> sipa: the latter sounds doable, the first, not so much
375 2021-11-19T19:14:43  <provoostenator> I guess every wallet UTXO could be associated with entries in the wallet database the represent the fee and required keys for the keypath and each scriptpath?
376 2021-11-19T19:15:03  <provoostenator> (not the fee,  but the weight to spend)
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378 2021-11-19T19:15:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #23556: build, qt: Fix regression in rendering on macOS Big Sur (master...211119-macstyle) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23556
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380 2021-11-19T19:18:06  <provoostenator> Or perhaps things can be simplified, because within each descriptor the rules are the same.
381 2021-11-19T19:18:35  <achow101> provoostenator: I don't think it would be necessary to associate anything with each utxo
382 2021-11-19T19:19:00  <achow101> it's all with the descriptors, we need to be able to figure out what will be available at signing for each descriptor
383 2021-11-19T19:19:31  <sanket1729_> hello
384 2021-11-19T19:20:33  <sanket1729_> achow101: the information about potentially available singing keys can be in the psbt right?
385 2021-11-19T19:20:44  <sipa> sanket1729_: that's too late
386 2021-11-19T19:20:56  <sipa> you need this information when doing coin selection
387 2021-11-19T19:20:57  <achow101> sanket1729_: yes, but the question is for constructing the PSBT in the first place
388 2021-11-19T19:21:08  <achow101> when inputs are being chosen
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390 2021-11-19T19:21:38  <sanket1729_> yeah, why can you not have that while inputs are chosen? You just choose the change output last?
391 2021-11-19T19:22:00  <achow101> one possibility is to add an option to all the fund/send rpcs that has a list of key (origins?) of the keys that will be available at signing?
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393 2021-11-19T19:22:41  <provoostenator> I just realized the availability is not static.
394 2021-11-19T19:22:53  <provoostenator> So yeah, providing it at coin selection time seems the only way.
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397 2021-11-19T19:23:32  <provoostenator> E.g. in a 3-of-3 setup with scriptpath(s) for 2-of-3 fallback,  the wallet can't know if you have 2 or 3 signers available.
398 2021-11-19T19:23:38  <sipa> sanket1729_: there is no algorithmic difficulty here
399 2021-11-19T19:23:42  <sipa> more a logistical
400 2021-11-19T19:23:55  <sipa> how does the right information get to be available to the right things
401 2021-11-19T19:24:28  <sipa> e.g. do descriptors need metadata about all keys, whether they will or won't be oresent
402 2021-11-19T19:24:30  <provoostenator> Maybe by default we assume everything is available (keypath), and then there's an option to provide fingerprints.
403 2021-11-19T19:24:33  <sipa> what if that information changes
404 2021-11-19T19:24:39  <provoostenator> And/or explictly point to script paths
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406 2021-11-19T19:24:54  <achow101> sipa: one thing that would be useful is for a way to say in a descriptor that the internal key is bogus
407 2021-11-19T19:25:31  <provoostenator> tr(null)
408 2021-11-19T19:25:47  <sipa> achow101: we definitely need that, but i think that's somewhat orthogonal
409 2021-11-19T19:26:03  <sipa> there should just be a convenient way of constructing script-only tr descriptors
410 2021-11-19T19:27:31  <sipa> the reason why i didn't include that already is because there are many ways of doing that
411 2021-11-19T19:27:54  <sipa> including ones that are more private
412 2021-11-19T19:28:02  <sipa> but more complex
413 2021-11-19T19:28:03  <achow101> sipa: it's kind of relevant as whether or not the script path is taken has a significant impact on the estimated size
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415 2021-11-19T19:28:43  <sipa> right
416 2021-11-19T19:28:50  <sanket1729_> > sipa: one is the ability to tell walletcreatefundedstuffs which keys will be present at signing, to make it better estimate the signing cost. Is this hard to do logistically? Can we not use psbtv2 here?
417 2021-11-19T19:29:17  <sipa> sanket1729_: pabtv2 is just a format, the information has to come from somewhere
418 2021-11-19T19:29:33  <sanket1729_> But the change output does not need to fixed
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420 2021-11-19T19:29:46  <achow101> sanket1729_: there is no guarantee that a change output exists
421 2021-11-19T19:29:55  <sipa> nor that it is recognizable
422 2021-11-19T19:30:09  <achow101> and coin selection now operates on effective values, so being able to calculate the fee for each input is necessary
423 2021-11-19T19:30:14  <sipa> or that it is acceptable for particular signers to modify it
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426 2021-11-19T19:31:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] whitslack opened pull request #23557: configure.ac: remove Bashism (master...fix-configure-bashism) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23557
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428 2021-11-19T19:32:58  <provoostenator> ^ Antiba strikes again!
429 2021-11-19T19:33:04  <achow101> anyways, it seems like the only real solution is to add options that allow the user to specify what will be available
430 2021-11-19T19:33:51  <sipa> yeah...
431 2021-11-19T19:34:05  <provoostenator> In any case that's a good start.
432 2021-11-19T19:34:29  <achow101> what if no availability information is provided?
433 2021-11-19T19:34:40  <achow101> assume worst case? or assume key path?
434 2021-11-19T19:34:45  <provoostenator> So the current PR's either underestimate or overestimate the fee? That seems pretty bad.
435 2021-11-19T19:34:57  <provoostenator> I would assume keypath
436 2021-11-19T19:35:18  <achow101> provoostenator: currently we underestimate, #23502 changes to always overestimate so at least we never underpay
437 2021-11-19T19:35:20  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23502 | wallet: Avoid underpaying transaction fees when signing taproot spends by achow101 · Pull Request #23502 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
438 2021-11-19T19:35:23  <provoostenator> And warn if you then try to sign scriptpath
439 2021-11-19T19:35:56  <provoostenator> Maybe we shouldn't even automatically pick a scriptpath for signing.
440 2021-11-19T19:36:11  <sipa> the problem is that signing isn't a single step
441 2021-11-19T19:36:13  <provoostenator> At least not until we figure out this fee dilemma.
442 2021-11-19T19:36:37  <provoostenator> Right, there's a dummy signer to get the fee estimate, and then the real signer?
443 2021-11-19T19:36:43  <sipa> it's not an issue as long as all tr supports in non-aggregated keys and single-key pk scripts
444 2021-11-19T19:37:06  <sipa> but just because you don't have the keypath private key, does not mean nobody had
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447 2021-11-19T19:38:15  <sipa> meshcollider: btw, i'm reviewing the error location PR, but got sidetracked again
448 2021-11-19T19:38:16  <provoostenator> I think in a wallet without private keys, you can assume _someone_ has the keypath private key.
449 2021-11-19T19:38:33  <provoostenator> In  a wallet with private keys, but where you don't have the internal key, it's tricker.
450 2021-11-19T19:38:48  <meshcollider> sipa: thanks! No worries :)
451 2021-11-19T19:38:57  <provoostenator> But from the above discussion I gather we should still pick the keypath and just assuem someone else signs it. Unless the user says otherwise
452 2021-11-19T19:39:01  <achow101> provoostenator: in a wallet with private keys, we can know there is a private key and choose the path that uses it
453 2021-11-19T19:39:08  <achow101> (assuming pk scripts only)
454 2021-11-19T19:39:24  <provoostenator> But that may not be desireable, because that path might be a fallback option.
455 2021-11-19T19:40:22  <achow101> but always assuming keypath might mean we underpay the fee accidentally
456 2021-11-19T19:40:24  <provoostenator> (I guess the example here would be a 1-of-2 threshold signature with single key fallbacks)
457 2021-11-19T19:40:42  <sipa> another possibility is not caring too much about it, because unless you have giant scripts/scriptsizes, it won't make a giant different to the vsize
458 2021-11-19T19:40:50  <provoostenator> We would have to assume it for both coin selection and signing.
459 2021-11-19T19:41:15  <sipa> also assuming a functioning block space market, which may be a dream...
460 2021-11-19T19:41:25  <achow101> sipa: the jump from keypath to any script path is pretty significant
461 2021-11-19T19:41:53  <provoostenator> And spending the wrong fee is not good for privacy.
462 2021-11-19T19:42:23  <achow101> (a basic script path is at least 1.5 times larger than keypath)
463 2021-11-19T19:43:06  <provoostenator> E.g. a 1.5 sat/byte transaction would strongly suggest there was a keypath.
464 2021-11-19T19:44:03  <sipa> provoostenator: i was assuming a functioning block space market; i agree that dealing with minrelay situation is harder
465 2021-11-19T19:45:16  <achow101> any other topics to discuss?
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467 2021-11-19T19:46:20  <achow101> #endmeeting
468 2021-11-19T19:46:20  <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
469 2021-11-19T19:46:20  <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Fri Nov 19 19:46:20 2021 UTC.
470 2021-11-19T19:46:20  <core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-11-19-19.00.moin.txt
471 2021-11-19T19:49:10  <meshcollider> If anyone else has some time, a review of #16807 would be appreciated, I added a lot of comments so hopefully it is more understandable
472 2021-11-19T19:49:13  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16807 | Let validateaddress locate error in Bech32 address by meshcollider · Pull Request #16807 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
473 2021-11-19T19:50:31  <sipa> meshcollider: not sure you saw, but there are a bunch of unaddressed comments
474 2021-11-19T19:53:05  <meshcollider> sipa: they're all fairly minor / cleanups which I was planning to leave to a follow-up
475 2021-11-19T19:53:46  <sipa> ok, just wanted to make sure you saw
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481 2021-11-19T20:16:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DariusParvin opened pull request #23558: test: run rpc-generateblock.py even with wallet disabled (master...rpc-generateblock-to-miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23558
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