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 732021-12-20T04:00:59  <achow101> or perhaps they didn't, but it seems to be missing from my system's path.hpp...
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1942021-12-20T06:59:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 33b5112 Andrew Chow: contrib: add achow101 to trusted keys
1952021-12-20T06:59:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8eeb4e9 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23798: contrib: add achow101 to trusted keys
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2092021-12-20T07:15:55  <meshcollider> \o/
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2382021-12-20T08:02:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ef7c822 Matt Corallo: Expose block filters over REST.
2392021-12-20T08:02:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2b64fa3 Matt Corallo: Update REST docs with new accessors
2402021-12-20T08:02:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 70d6a09 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#17631: Expose block filters over REST
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2532021-12-20T08:14:34  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0a1b6fa Martin Zumsande: test: fix intermittent timeouts in p2p_timeouts.py
2542021-12-20T08:14:34  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1c41fb9 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23812: test: fix intermittent failures in p2p_timeou...
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2582021-12-20T08:14:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23812: test: fix intermittent failures in p2p_timeouts.py (master...202112_p2p_timeout_fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23812
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2672021-12-20T08:21:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8bdd924 josibake: refactor: addrman_selecttriedcollisions test
2682021-12-20T08:21:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e281fcc josibake: refactor: addrman_noevict test
2692021-12-20T08:21:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5a64dc0 josibake: refactor: addrman_evictionworks test
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2722021-12-20T08:22:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23780: refactor, test: update `addrman_tests.cpp` to use output from `AddrMan::Good()` (master...josibake-addrman-test-refactors) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23780
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3042021-12-20T09:05:15  <laanwj> jb55: boost removing itself function by function would have the same end result
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3102021-12-20T09:08:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 919ae8b glozow: [doc] current rbf policy
3112021-12-20T09:08:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1fd49eb glozow: [doc] clarify RBF difference from BIP125
3122021-12-20T09:08:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 82858ba glozow: [doc] CPFP carve out and single-conflict RBF exemption
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4012021-12-20T10:50:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 92082ea Shashwat: Change time variable type to std::chrono::seconds in src/net_processing.cp...
4022021-12-20T10:50:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3ec8f9f MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23801: Refactor: Change time variable type from int6...
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4052021-12-20T10:50:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23801: Refactor: Change time variable type from int64_t to std::chrono::seconds in net_processing.cpp (master...time_in_seconds_refactor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23801
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4192021-12-20T11:03:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cfeb194 Luke Dashjr: ci: Use Cirrus "greedy" flag to use idle CPU time when available
4202021-12-20T11:03:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 20aea49 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23797: ci: Use Cirrus "greedy" flag to use idle CPU ...
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4232021-12-20T11:03:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23797: ci: Use Cirrus "greedy" flag to use idle CPU time when available (master...cirrus_greedy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23797
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4852021-12-20T12:34:13  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 140a49c Sebastian Falbesoner: test: check that pruneblockchain RPC fails for future block or timestamp
4862021-12-20T12:34:13  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9ac064d MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23796: test: check that pruneblockchain RPC fails fo...
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4892021-12-20T12:34:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23796: test: check that pruneblockchain RPC fails for future block or timestamp (master...202112-test-add_pruneblockchain_test_coverage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23796
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7622021-12-20T18:35:51  <laanwj> achow101: congrats on becoming maintainer! you should have the right permissions to merge now
7632021-12-20T18:48:40  <jamesob> achow101: yeah congrats, meant to ACK
7642021-12-20T18:50:06  <laanwj> jamesob: you still can :)
7652021-12-20T18:50:20  <jamesob> good point!
7662021-12-20T18:50:27  <jamesob> posthumous ACKs are good ACKs
7672021-12-20T18:51:17  <laanwj> exactly, reviewing things that are merged is also important
7682021-12-20T18:54:33  <sipa> right!
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7712021-12-20T19:22:32  <jeremyrubin> dont' want to make github noisier, but the reason why i think that merging more features into a system that should be fully deprecated (IMO) is that if this is "the feature" that is currently blocking a user from relying on REST API then while it doesn't increase the mechanical work of deprecation, it does increase the future inconvenience/users
7722021-12-20T19:22:32  <jeremyrubin> arguing against deprecation.
7732021-12-20T19:23:24  <jeremyrubin> so that's why i don't feel the 'adding features to something that should go away' is separate from 'patch giving an alternative path for users to get same feature outside of core'
7742021-12-20T19:23:40  <jeremyrubin> because we should steer users in that direction anyways.
7752021-12-20T19:25:41  <sipa> If there were already agreement that the built-in REST interface should be deprecated, I might have agreed with that, but I don't feel that's the case (of course, I may be biased, because I personally don't feel it should be).
7762021-12-20T19:29:16  <jb55> didn't even know there was a rest interface
7772021-12-20T19:29:21  <earnestly> TIL
7782021-12-20T19:29:25  <jeremyrubin> definitely a larger question. I think we should remove almost everything that isn't required to keep a node operating in the 'standard' network, which is clearly a lot more aggressive than most, but the REST API seemed to be an easy punching bag of something that really clearly doesn't need to be in core
7792021-12-20T19:29:46  <jeremyrubin> and there are negative security risks of turning on the feature
7802021-12-20T19:29:48  <jeremyrubin> jb55 if this makes you start using it *shakes fist*
7812021-12-20T19:30:22  <jb55> all my scripts are built around the jsonrpc, I don't see why I would need it
7822021-12-20T19:30:24  <sipa> I don't think there are negative security risks of turning it on, given that there already is an RPC interface.
7832021-12-20T19:30:30  <jeremyrubin> not true
7842021-12-20T19:30:46  <jeremyrubin> if you expose REST on your system immediately any malicious website can DoS your nodes RPC interface
7852021-12-20T19:31:00  <sipa> They can DoS your RPC interface too.
7862021-12-20T19:31:45  <jb55> when graphql interface
7872021-12-20T19:32:25  <jeremyrubin> jb55 idk make a PR. but i really think these should be layers on top of RPC api as a proxy
7882021-12-20T19:32:39  <jeremyrubin> sipa not as badly since they won't pass auth
7892021-12-20T19:32:56  <sipa> There is no rate-limiting on the pre-auth aspect of RPC either.
7902021-12-20T19:33:16  <jeremyrubin> whereas the REST API i can troll to make my node output gigabytes of data pretty cheaply
7912021-12-20T19:33:23  <jb55> I have always dreamed of a custom query engine, might be overkill but would be neat
7922021-12-20T19:34:05  <sipa> You can send gigabytes to the RPC interface too, without authentication.
7932021-12-20T19:34:49  <jeremyrubin> send gigabytes from attacker is "backpressured" though by requiring the client to also push that amount of data through.
7942021-12-20T19:35:01  <jeremyrubin> Receive gigabytes is an amplification attack
7952021-12-20T19:35:12  <jeremyrubin> if I can send O(1) data and get O(N) back that's bad
7962021-12-20T19:35:34  <jeremyrubin> send and recv are not symmetric in costs to our node
7972021-12-20T19:36:05  <sipa> Hmm, I think they are. Both have a processing cost to bitcoind. The constant factors may differ a bit, but there is no qualitative difference I'd say.
7982021-12-20T19:36:11  <jamesob> does the REST server use a separate HTTP/auth mechanism than the RPC server? Because if so running it almost definitionally increases attack surface, just a matter of how marginally it does so
7992021-12-20T19:36:23  <jeremyrubin> it uses exaclty the same HTTP server
8002021-12-20T19:36:29  <sipa> REST is unauthenticated.
8012021-12-20T19:36:29  <jeremyrubin> REST is 100% unauthenticated
8022021-12-20T19:36:40  <jamesob> oh gotcha
8032021-12-20T19:36:51  <jeremyrubin> jamesob not even a separate instance of the same server, the same one
8042021-12-20T19:36:56  <sipa> I'm obviously assuming no bugs in the REST handling code itself.
8052021-12-20T19:37:49  <sipa> Additional code obviously increases attack surface - but that's true for literally every feature we want. It's also true for having it in a wrapper, as the wrapper needs RPC auth access, which means a bug in the wrapper could also expose more issues.
8062021-12-20T19:38:14  <jamesob> right, I think that's what jeremyrubin was getting at, eh?
8072021-12-20T19:38:31  <jamesob> but the actual risk is probably not big if REST is disabled by default...
8082021-12-20T19:38:35  <jb55> does anyone know anyone actually using the rest interface in production apps? a bit sketch that we are maintaining two separate rpc interfaces.
8092021-12-20T19:39:00  <jamesob> jb55 good question; I sure don't
8102021-12-20T19:39:19  <jeremyrubin> There absolutely is a difference between receiving a GB and sending a GB. there are inherent backpressures driven by OS scheduling and similar and similar that make sending dampened.
8112021-12-20T19:39:27  <jamesob> everyone I know backs up to the JSON-RPC interface
8122021-12-20T19:40:40  <jeremyrubin> sipa the nice thing about the wrapper is that a wrapper can live on e.g. a separate user, separate process, separate server, can also load balance across nodes if desireable, and can  use RPC Whitelist credentials so that it being broken mitigates what can happen
8132021-12-20T19:40:43  <sipa> jeremyrubin: I think that's true for network interfaces, because aplification can be used to overload the network link before exhausting CPU on either attacker of victim system.
8142021-12-20T19:41:24  <jeremyrubin> well so here the 'call is coming inside the house' as the issue is you visit a webpage and they ping your localhost server
8152021-12-20T19:41:26  <sipa> But if you assume a local attacker, they can do whatever causes max CPU usage in bitcoind, whether that's done through sending or receiving.
8162021-12-20T19:42:00  <jeremyrubin> i guess it's worth testing. i'd assume browsers protect you from your webpages hosing your network.
8172021-12-20T19:42:09  <jeremyrubin> (network interfaces)
8182021-12-20T19:42:16  <sipa> Unless the website itself is running on http://localhost, I don't think you can make connections to localhost? same origin policy etc.
8192021-12-20T19:42:24  <jeremyrubin> you can atually
8202021-12-20T19:48:32  <jeremyrubin> https://frankli.ece.gatech.edu/papers/li-imc2021-weblocal.pdf
8212021-12-20T19:52:51  <sipa> Interesting.
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8272021-12-20T19:58:03  <jeremyrubin> also bad would be being able to detect a user is running bitcoin software while web browsing, even if no request is fired. but that applies to jsonrpc too
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8302021-12-20T20:02:20  <jeremyrubin> overall i think it'd just be good if we only exposed Unix Sockets and had everything else be done via proxy. We can get all the local services working as we want them do (e/g bitcoin-cli) and industrial users should already be proxying. it's just attack surface with little benefit
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8322021-12-20T20:04:28  <sipa> I'd very much like to see at least a UNIX domain socket added, but it seems earlier attempts to do that were complicated by lack of unix support on the client-side of libevent, which is used in bitcoin-cli.
8332021-12-20T20:04:49  <sipa> There have been discussions about alternative approaches, but so far nobody who has investigated/worked on it further.
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8362021-12-20T20:07:14  <jamesob> > see at least a UNIX domain socket added
8372021-12-20T20:07:15  <jamesob> sounds like a great first project for an enterprising new contributor...
8382021-12-20T20:07:48  <jeremyrubin> i agree that'd be a good first step
8392021-12-20T20:09:07  <jb55> we use unix sockets on the clightning side and people mostly complain about it and want web rpcs
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8432021-12-20T20:16:27  <earnestly> jb55: Can't they use web sockets?
8442021-12-20T20:17:19  <jb55> earnestly: no that is not the same thing other than having the same word in the name
8452021-12-20T20:17:30  <earnestly> Hmmm
8462021-12-20T20:18:31  <sipa> <jamesob> "sounds like a great first..." <- Given that laanwj tried and gave up, I'm not sure I'd classify it as "great first project".
8472021-12-20T20:19:21  <earnestly> jb55: Yeah I was thinking of something else, that doesn't exist, fever dream
8482021-12-20T20:19:33  <sipa> (by which I absolutely don't want to discourage anyone who wants to try either!)
8492021-12-20T20:19:47  <jamesob> sipa: oh I thought laanwj tried to allow p2p access via unix socket, but maybe he triedboth
8502021-12-20T20:20:10  <sipa> No, RPC. P2P doesn't use libevent.
8512021-12-20T20:20:33  <sipa> Unless we're talking about different things.
8522021-12-20T20:20:36  <jamesob> #9979
8532021-12-20T20:20:38  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9979 | p2p: Bare minimum to support UNIX sockets by laanwj · Pull Request #9979 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
8542021-12-20T20:21:15  <jamesob> ^ which, by the way, I think is very much worth pickingup
8552021-12-20T20:21:28  <sipa> Oh, I was talking about https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9919.
8562021-12-20T20:21:59  <jamesob> Ahh yep, just found that. So I guess he tried both. Valiant attempts!
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8782021-12-20T22:23:25  <achow101> bitcoin-git ded?
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