1 2022-01-21T00:00:33  <sugarpuff_> Thanks michaelfolkson, I don't think anyone will answer that email, and my questions aren't directed to Jack Dorsey :P.
  2 2022-01-21T00:00:34  <sugarpuff_> prayank nipped out before finishing what he wrote... Greg Maxwell no longer contributes to bitcoin - isn't that because of the lawsuit? If so, then Craig can continue to sue the remaining developers and kick everyone out if nobody goes to court against him. I don't think anyone here can really give me an answer, since this is a decision they have to make on their own (or together), but I just wanted to share my
  3 2022-01-21T00:00:34  <sugarpuff_> thoughts, etc.
  4 2022-01-21T00:02:58  <sipa> This is off-topic
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167 2022-01-21T12:38:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #24122: refactor: replace RecursiveMutex `cs_vProcessMsg` with Mutex (and rename) (master...202201-refactor_replace_RecursiveMutex_cs_vProcess) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24122
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173 2022-01-21T13:11:42  <stick> sipa: what HW did you use for testing https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24115#issuecomment-1018001885 ?
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178 2022-01-21T13:43:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24123: [POC] build: enable Pointer Authentication and Branch Target Identification for aarch64 (Linux) (master...mbranch_protection_aarch64_linux) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24123
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234 2022-01-21T18:23:04  <jeremyrubin> hey cfields can you have a look at #21702 build failure?
235 2022-01-21T18:23:06  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21702 | Implement BIP-119 Validation (CheckTemplateVerify) by JeremyRubin · Pull Request #21702 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
236 2022-01-21T18:23:08  <jeremyrubin> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34924083/mingw32-make-error-error-once-flag-in-namespace-std-does-not-name-a-type
237 2022-01-21T18:23:20  <jeremyrubin> https://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin/issues/460
238 2022-01-21T18:24:25  <jeremyrubin> sort of weird b/c we use once_flag and call_once in other places in the code, so it looks like we're somehow linking with the wrong options?
239 2022-01-21T18:26:28  <jeremyrubin> looks like laanwj might know whats going on here based on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8653
240 2022-01-21T18:27:53  <sipa> @stick: https://www.96boards.org/product/developerbox/
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243 2022-01-21T18:30:16  <jeremyrubin> specific errors are here https://gist.github.com/JeremyRubin/b3fc2ba910a8e5b6b807df3746e949d9
244 2022-01-21T18:30:41  <jeremyrubin> impl_pthread not getting linked
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248 2022-01-21T19:09:56  <laanwj> jeremyrubin: that's a 5 year old issue, i'm sure it's no longer relevant? we've been using the posix variant since forever
249 2022-01-21T19:10:15  <laanwj> jeremyrubin: IIRC libbitcoin_consensus isn't linked against pthread intentionally, it's not supposed to be threaded
250 2022-01-21T19:11:30  <laanwj> because it could be used from non-threaded C code, or code using some completely different threading model
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254 2022-01-21T19:25:39  <laanwj> i'd agree "using C++ synchronization primitives" isn't threading in itself, but apparently it does cause linking to one
255 2022-01-21T19:26:57  <jeremyrubin> laanwj: ok that makes sense I guess, but it's problematic slightly since the scriptchecks generated are designed to be threadsafe so i wanted to ensure that i had a low cost way to do cache on first use... but it sounds like that's troublesome no matter what I do (mutex, atomic, etc)
256 2022-01-21T19:28:00  <laanwj> right-even atomic isn't guaranteed, on some platforms it can be done with instructions, but on others it does need support from the OS through a threading library
257 2022-01-21T19:29:09  <jeremyrubin> i thought c++ requires atomics OR proof no threads are used otherwise things like static init are broken?
258 2022-01-21T19:29:27  <laanwj> any caching would have to be done at a higher level
259 2022-01-21T19:29:43  <jeremyrubin> hmm that seems like a boundary violation
260 2022-01-21T19:29:52  <jeremyrubin> this caching is required for validation to be correct
261 2022-01-21T19:29:59  <laanwj> not in the consensus code itself, i think it makes sense from the perspective that libbitcoin_consensus is supposed to be stateless too
262 2022-01-21T19:30:17  <laanwj> wait, no, consensus never should need caching between validations to be correct
263 2022-01-21T19:30:29  <jeremyrubin> PrecomputedData is required for correctness
264 2022-01-21T19:30:42  <jeremyrubin> where correctness includes runtime
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266 2022-01-21T19:31:17  <jeremyrubin> you don't need caching between validations, but you do need caching of validation data to prevent quadratic hashing
267 2022-01-21T19:31:33  <laanwj> in that case isn't there another way to manage the context
268 2022-01-21T19:31:51  <laanwj> like, cache it within a call somehow instead of between them
269 2022-01-21T19:32:08  <jeremyrubin> no, because that reintroduces quadratic hashing
270 2022-01-21T19:32:18  <jeremyrubin> N inputs having to do a N sized computation ==> N^2
271 2022-01-21T19:33:09  <jeremyrubin> laanwj: the way to get rid of it is to just always pre-compute, rather than cache on first use, but that has an overhead if you don't use the cache at all
272 2022-01-21T19:33:19  <jeremyrubin> which was feedback from jamesob to not do that
273 2022-01-21T19:33:26  <sipa> libbitcoinconsensus right now doesn't even support taproot
274 2022-01-21T19:33:34  <jeremyrubin> one thing we could do is make PrecomputedData an abstract base class
275 2022-01-21T19:33:42  <sipa> see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21158
276 2022-01-21T19:33:42  <jeremyrubin> and have getter methods for the fields
277 2022-01-21T19:34:20  <jeremyrubin> errr
278 2022-01-21T19:34:34  <sipa> and the single-call per input model that libbitcoinconsensus has is inherently vulnerable to quadratic hashing
279 2022-01-21T19:34:59  <jeremyrubin> make the BIP119LazyInit function defined by users of the abstract base
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282 2022-01-21T19:36:40  <jeremyrubin> another option would be to make precomputeddata take a lambda for BIP119LazyInit
283 2022-01-21T19:36:56  <jeremyrubin> that's the smallest code change impact I guess?
284 2022-01-21T19:37:18  <jeremyrubin> and if no lambda provided, it should just compute the things eagerly
285 2022-01-21T19:38:09  <jeremyrubin> that would force the sync responsibility up the stack.
286 2022-01-21T19:38:57  <laanwj> agree, the libbitcoinconsensus API which is too low-level for most purposes, the libbitcoin_kernel model does allow for threading, caching etc, but we don't have it yet
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288 2022-01-21T19:43:06  <jeremyrubin> i'm somewhat indifferent as to what the right path is, be it to just always cache for now (small performance impact), to do a lambda pass wrapping call_once, to enable linking pthread, or to do something more sophisticated. i'll go with the flow on it, care more about adressing jamesob feedback ultimately
289 2022-01-21T19:44:35  <jeremyrubin> also maybe possible to write a basic call_once alternative using just atomics (which might not have the same link error) and then wrap it based on platform?
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305 2022-01-21T20:41:46  <jamesob> jeremyrubin: I like the sound of the lambda pass, maybe that's worth trying
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332 2022-01-21T22:46:50  <backes> hey, is 70016 the latest protocol version?
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344 2022-01-21T23:27:58  <jeremyrubin> so the approach ends up a little convoluted API wise, but I think it gives us everything we wanted:
345 2022-01-21T23:27:58  <jeremyrubin> Lambda for caching, which can use call_once (used from CheckInputsScripts), force option just precomputes it always (threadsafe), and no lambda + no force gives you a default cache on first use which is not thread safe. You can make a PrecomputedData with a lambda, or pass to init, but if you do both we don't allow overriding (since it's probably a
346 2022-01-21T23:27:58  <jeremyrubin> logic error)
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