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140 2022-03-10T08:01:12  <ziggie> jeremyrubin> e.g. fill-or-kill-by-date?  Yes
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142 2022-03-10T08:03:59  <laanwj> from what i remember one significant problem with that was fragility under reorg conditions; e.g. a reorg would put the transactions in different blocks, possibly making all transactions after the locked transaction invalid because it's expired
143 2022-03-10T08:04:40  <sipa> One problem with that is that it isn't reorg-safe: in an (innocent) reorg, if the transaction got confirmed and had descendants, and can't get into the replacement block by the same height/time, it gets invalidated along with all its children.
144 2022-03-10T08:05:38  <sipa> Another is that it makes reasoning about confirmations much harder for wallets as the timeout point gets closer, because you need to reason about probabilities of it getting confirmed before that time.
145 2022-03-10T08:08:49  <MarcoFalke> sdaftuar: (re CI failure) The CI is re-run every week on all pull requests to catch silent merge conflict early. This will also mean that the usual false positives (like network errors) might be hit during the re-run. In your instance, it looks like GitHub went down (https://cirrus-ci.com/task/5260393814687744?logs=ci#L2031) so it is fine to just re-run.
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147 2022-03-10T08:14:08  <laanwj> provoostenator: it's probably been screaming that for half a year or so :) (depending on when you upgraded tor to a post-v2 version)
148 2022-03-10T08:15:11  <ziggie> <laanwj> <sipa> thank you
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150 2022-03-10T08:23:35  <laanwj> provoostenator: so that leaves two ways to go (1) strip tor and rudimentary I2P support from the crawler (2) add both (e.g. https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder/issues/92), both are valid ways to go depending on what is deemed to be the scope of it (and whoever implements it)
151 2022-03-10T08:24:36  <sipa> I think over time we should implement (2), and also change it from publishing through DNS to just listening on Bitcoin P2P and responding to getaddr.
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153 2022-03-10T08:25:37  <laanwj> sipa: thanks, yes that makes sense
154 2022-03-10T08:26:45  <sipa> that way it isn't restricted to a single port, can convey service flags, etc...
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172 2022-03-10T09:08:39  <_aj_> sipa: i guess querying SRV records is still ugly compared to getaddrinfo
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175 2022-03-10T09:09:31  <sipa> I don't think there is a portable way of doing that (besides having your own DNS implementation)
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181 2022-03-10T09:26:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/430acb7d2a32...5e33620ad813
182 2022-03-10T09:26:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a84650e klementtan: util: Fix ReadBinaryFile reading beyond maxsize
183 2022-03-10T09:26:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5e33620 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24371: util: Fix `ReadBinaryFile` reading beyond max...
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193 2022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to 23.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cbdfb46b55a2...430808ab13d9
194 2022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 4607f70 Ryan Ofsky: test: Add tests for GetArg methods / settings.json type coercion
195 2022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 7e1b968 Ryan Ofsky: qt: Avoid crash on startup if int specified in settings.json
196 2022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 430808a fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24511: [23.x] qt: Avoid crash on startup if int spec...
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199 2022-03-10T09:45:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24511: [23.x] qt: Avoid crash on startup if int specified in settings.json (23.x...23.x-settings-json-crash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24511
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202 2022-03-10T09:47:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24514: [23.x] Second round signapple backports (M1) (23.x...second_round_signapple_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24514
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214 2022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5e33620ad813...05957a888de9
215 2022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 20b6c87 Hennadii Stepanov: build: Specify `zeromq` port explicitly for MSVC builds
216 2022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7ff43e5 Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Invalidate vcpkg binary cache if dependencies changed
217 2022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c3296b2 Hennadii Stepanov: build: Drop `double-conversion` from MSVC dependencies
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220 2022-03-10T10:22:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24516: build, ci: Fix MSVC builds and other improvements (master...220310-msvc-ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24516
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222 2022-03-10T10:25:37  <achow101> rc2 soon?
223 2022-03-10T10:25:49  <fanquake> yes
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229 2022-03-10T10:45:33  <jonatack> opened #24512 for 23.0, if anyone would like to tag it
230 2022-03-10T10:45:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24512 | [23.x] init, doc: improve -onlynet help and related tor/i2p documentation by jonatack · Pull Request #24512 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
231 2022-03-10T10:48:48  <jonatack> "TeresaHodges764" is spamming the bitcoin core repo
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233 2022-03-10T10:49:30  <fanquake> they've already been blocked
234 2022-03-10T10:49:59  <jonatack> thx
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237 2022-03-10T10:55:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 23.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2bd5fdbceda5...71866d856679
238 2022-03-10T10:55:49  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 60ca24a laanwj: build: Bump to 23.0rc2
239 2022-03-10T10:55:49  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 71866d8 laanwj: doc: Update manual pages for rc2
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242 2022-03-10T10:56:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed tag v23.0rc2: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v23.0rc2
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244 2022-03-10T10:57:22  <fanquake> 🚀
245 2022-03-10T10:58:36  <laanwj> jonatack: i'm not sure i understand the rationale for backporting that, i mean it's not risky but also isn't a bugfix
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250 2022-03-10T11:15:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #24519: doc: update multisig-tutorial.md to descriptor wallet by default (master...multisig-tutorial-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24519
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254 2022-03-10T11:16:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24520: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once (master...check_macOS_SDK_one_time) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24520
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259 2022-03-10T11:31:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/05957a888de9...d1a940f729a7
260 2022-03-10T11:31:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e802310 fanquake: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once
261 2022-03-10T11:31:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d1a940f Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24520: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once
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264 2022-03-10T11:31:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #24520: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once (master...check_macOS_SDK_one_time) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24520
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272 2022-03-10T11:52:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d1a940f729a7...76d44e832f5b
273 2022-03-10T11:52:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f5fd3c Ryan Ofsky: test: Correctly decode UTF-8 literal string paths
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277 2022-03-10T11:52:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24469: test: Correctly decode UTF-8 literal string paths (master...pr/testu) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24469
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283 2022-03-10T12:06:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #24415: build: Fix Boost.Process test for Boost 1.78 (master...220222-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24415
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287 2022-03-10T12:08:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #24521: build: Fix Boost.Process detection on macOS arm64 (master...220310-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24521
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290 2022-03-10T12:16:52  <jonatack> laanwj: oops having connection issues here. PR 24512 is to fix the -onlynet docs that are somewhat incorrect as a follow-up to the onlynet changes in v23, there is seemingly user confusion related to it and my thinking was that docs could be backported. happy to close too if it doesn't pass the backport bar :)
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294 2022-03-10T12:41:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/76d44e832f5b...4f5d3ce5a059
295 2022-03-10T12:41:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8ea6167 Sebastian Falbesoner: wallet: refactor: dedup sqlite blob binding
296 2022-03-10T12:41:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4f5d3ce fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24486: wallet: refactor: dedup sqlite blob binding
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299 2022-03-10T12:41:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24486: wallet: refactor: dedup sqlite blob binding (master...202203-wallet-refactor-dedup_sqlite_blob_binding) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24486
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308 2022-03-10T13:14:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24522: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN job (master...remove_unused_bdb_msan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24522
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311 2022-03-10T13:15:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #24523: build: Fix Boost.Process test for Boost 1.78 (master...220222-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24523
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318 2022-03-10T13:27:24  <fanquake> detached signatures for rc2 and now pushed
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326 2022-03-10T13:58:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4f5d3ce5a059...6c37eae0ad94
327 2022-03-10T13:58:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faa1aec MarcoFalke: Remove confusing P1008R1 violation in ATMPArgs
328 2022-03-10T13:58:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6c37eae fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24404: refactor: Remove confusing P1008R1 violation ...
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331 2022-03-10T13:58:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24404: refactor: Remove confusing P1008R1 violation in ATMPArgs (master...2202-cpp🥲) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24404
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342 2022-03-10T14:22:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #23534: wallet: Allow negative effective value inputs when subtracting fee from outputs (master...no-change-fee-w-sffo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23534
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345 2022-03-10T14:24:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6c37eae0ad94...597ee30b5e23
346 2022-03-10T14:24:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3566353 fanquake: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN job
347 2022-03-10T14:24:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 597ee30 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24522: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN ...
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350 2022-03-10T14:24:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24522: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN job (master...remove_unused_bdb_msan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24522
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353 2022-03-10T14:31:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24524: doc: remove Boost LDFLAGS from netBSD build docs (master...remove_boost_ldflags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24524
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362 2022-03-10T14:54:57  <fanquake> I've checked thatt the M1 binary is correctly codesign, and runs on an M1
363 2022-03-10T14:55:15  <fanquake> You still need to perform the Right-click and open step, due to it not being notarized.
364 2022-03-10T14:56:27  <hebasto> fanquake: great!
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366 2022-03-10T14:57:53  <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #563: qt: Remove network detection based on address in BIP21 (master...2022-03-remove-autodetect-code) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/563
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369 2022-03-10T14:58:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/597ee30b5e23...93feabcb30e3
370 2022-03-10T14:58:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7dbc83 laanwj: qt: Remove network detection based on address in BIP21
371 2022-03-10T14:58:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 93feabc Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#563: qt: Remove network detection based on address ...
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373 2022-03-10T14:58:15  <sdaftuar> MarcoFalke: thanks for the explanation!
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393 2022-03-10T15:34:55  <sdaftuar> _aj_: for adding m_disable_tx to getpeerinfo() output -- do you have a viewpoint on whether we should expose the variable (which represents what the peer has sent us), or the idea (do we believe that transaction relay is disabled on this link)?
394 2022-03-10T15:36:08  <sdaftuar> ie for peers that don't support disabletx, we might still think relay is disabled because (eg) we selected the peer to be block-relay-only and sent fRelay=0 and disabletx, and would disconnect if we received an inv.
395 2022-03-10T15:37:01  <sdaftuar> anyway i could try to expose either of those ideas, just the variable is simplest but occurred to me that it might not be the most useful? unsure
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401 2022-03-10T15:57:16  <_aj_> sdaftuar: we've got relaytxes and connection_type=blocks-only already exposed, so just m_disable_tx status seems fine to me
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404 2022-03-10T16:06:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24526: build: don't install deprecated libevent headers (master...dont_install_deprecated_libevent_headers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24526
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442 2022-03-10T17:56:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #23861: build: Update Guix build free space requirements (master...211224-kib) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23861
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458 2022-03-10T18:46:34  <jeremyrubin> do pruned nodes store block filters?
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460 2022-03-10T18:50:58  <lightlike> since #15946, they can
461 2022-03-10T18:51:03  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15946 | Allow maintaining the blockfilterindex when using prune by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #15946 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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463 2022-03-10T19:00:10  <MarcoFalke> hi
464 2022-03-10T19:00:16  <laanwj> #startmeeting
465 2022-03-10T19:00:16  <core-meetingbot`> Meeting started Thu Mar 10 19:00:15 2022 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
466 2022-03-10T19:00:16  <core-meetingbot`> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
467 2022-03-10T19:00:20  <jonatack> hi
468 2022-03-10T19:00:25  <sdaftuar> hi
469 2022-03-10T19:00:33  <michaelfolkson> hi
470 2022-03-10T19:00:34  <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
471 2022-03-10T19:00:36  <laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
472 2022-03-10T19:00:38  <dongcarl> hi
473 2022-03-10T19:00:42  <sipa> hi
474 2022-03-10T19:00:46  <kvaciral[m]> hi
475 2022-03-10T19:00:46  <provoostenator> hi
476 2022-03-10T19:00:56  <lightlike> hi
477 2022-03-10T19:01:02  <hebasto> hi
478 2022-03-10T19:01:03  <achow101> hi
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480 2022-03-10T19:01:30  <laanwj> PSA: 23.0rc1 had some build issues, so 23.0rc2 was tagged today with fixes for that, please start your guix builds if you haven't yet
481 2022-03-10T19:01:32  <jeremyrubin> hello
482 2022-03-10T19:01:35  <darosior> hi
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484 2022-03-10T19:02:01  <laanwj> any topics for today? none have been proposed during the week with #proposedmeetingtopic, as far as i can see
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486 2022-03-10T19:02:51  <MarcoFalke> Can I haz #24080 for hi-prio pls?
487 2022-03-10T19:02:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24080 | policy: Remove unused locktime flags by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #24080 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
488 2022-03-10T19:03:00  <laanwj> we're not at the high prio topic yet, but sure
489 2022-03-10T19:03:21  <MarcoFalke> ups
490 2022-03-10T19:03:40  <glozow> hi
491 2022-03-10T19:04:05  <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
492 2022-03-10T19:04:05  <core-meetingbot`> topic: High priority for review
493 2022-03-10T19:04:11  <laanwj> MarcoFalke: added
494 2022-03-10T19:04:14  <MarcoFalke> thx
495 2022-03-10T19:04:15  <sipsorcery> hi
496 2022-03-10T19:04:32  <provoostenator> I'd still like to get this into v23 if if survives more review: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/555
497 2022-03-10T19:04:45  <provoostenator> (already tagged with the milestone, so I guess not high prio list needed)
498 2022-03-10T19:04:46  <laanwj> is there anything else people want to add to high priority for review, or to remove, or that is ready for merge?
499 2022-03-10T19:05:01  <dongcarl> Could I have #24322 for high prio? Will update within the next hour with the changes just discussed in #bitcoin-core-builds (shouldn't change much)
500 2022-03-10T19:05:03  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24322 | [kernel 1/n] Introduce initial `libbitcoinkernel` by dongcarl · Pull Request #24322 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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502 2022-03-10T19:05:17  <laanwj> provoostenator: is that a bugfix?
503 2022-03-10T19:06:16  <laanwj> dongcarl: added
504 2022-03-10T19:06:24  <dongcarl> thx!
505 2022-03-10T19:06:46  <provoostenator> laanwj: yes
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507 2022-03-10T19:07:03  <provoostenator> Well at least it fixes a regression compared to v22
508 2022-03-10T19:07:37  <laanwj> provoostenator: makes sense then, it wasn't clear to me from the title enabling the send button sounded more like a feature
509 2022-03-10T19:08:13  <provoostenator> Good point,  renamed to more dramatic word choice: restore
510 2022-03-10T19:08:31  <laanwj> yess
511 2022-03-10T19:09:13  <fjahr> hi
512 2022-03-10T19:09:34  <MarcoFalke> (off-topic: My C++20 patch is now ready #24169. Not sure if this needs discussion, if it does, then this is my topic suggestion)
513 2022-03-10T19:09:35  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24169 | build: Add --enable-c++20 option by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #24169 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
514 2022-03-10T19:11:30  <laanwj> good to know, i don't think that particular PR needs discussion, only if the goal is to make c++20 a minimum requirement
515 2022-03-10T19:11:46  <laanwj> but i suppose that's still some time away
516 2022-03-10T19:12:27  <sipa> @MarcoFalke cool
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518 2022-03-10T19:12:41  <MarcoFalke> Yes, the minimum will be changed later (not sure when)
519 2022-03-10T19:12:45  <sipa> (i don't think there is much more to discuss about that either)
520 2022-03-10T19:13:18  <laanwj> is there any pressing reason for c++20?
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522 2022-03-10T19:13:27  <laanwj> in the context of our project
523 2022-03-10T19:13:31  <MarcoFalke> Yeah, the pull shouldn't affect anyone unless they opt-in
524 2022-03-10T19:14:05  <MarcoFalke> laanwj: named arguments (which work since clang 3) were only officially added in C++20
525 2022-03-10T19:14:25  <laanwj> ok
526 2022-03-10T19:14:31  <jonatack> will try it. there are also some niceties in std::chrono and std::algorithm that I would have liked to use
527 2022-03-10T19:15:00  <jonatack> (so far)
528 2022-03-10T19:15:08  <sipa> it's not like you can actually use them with this already, except inside #if #else variants.
529 2022-03-10T19:15:30  <sipa> This is really just to make sure that our codebase is c++20 compliant (as well as c++17 compliant)
530 2022-03-10T19:15:35  <MarcoFalke> See also #23363
531 2022-03-10T19:15:36  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23363 | Discussion: Upgrading to C++20 · Issue #23363 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
532 2022-03-10T19:16:28  <laanwj> it seems a bit eary to break compatibility with compilers again
533 2022-03-10T19:16:28  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: Named arguments would really help my branch removing argsmanager from validation, where I introduce a few Options structs, alas perhaps too early to bump min C++
534 2022-03-10T19:17:25  <laanwj> sipa: yes, making sure it can be compiled with c++20 makes sense of course
535 2022-03-10T19:17:49  <MarcoFalke> Named arguments choke only the msvc C++17 compiler, so as a hack we could bump msvc to C++20 and then start using named args with C++17 on clang/gcc
536 2022-03-10T19:17:51  <_aj_> dongcarl: have you seen https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24032/commits/3d3724e95b34931a4de8d31450f33ef0a32965e7#diff-ff53e63501a5e89fd650b378c9708274df8ad5d38fcffa6c64be417c4d438b6dR376-R382 ? gives fake named arguments
537 2022-03-10T19:17:51  * MarcoFalke hides
538 2022-03-10T19:18:24  <sipa> GCC only fully supports C++20 as of GCC 11, which was released 9 momths ago. It'll be a few years I think before we can assume common platforms have it available.
539 2022-03-10T19:18:51  <laanwj> right
540 2022-03-10T19:19:03  <jonatack> oh
541 2022-03-10T19:19:05  <sipa> or even some parts in GCC 12
542 2022-03-10T19:19:07  <dongcarl> sipa: True
543 2022-03-10T19:19:22  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: No flag on msvc to enable _just_ named arguments?
544 2022-03-10T19:19:23  <MarcoFalke> At least Ubuntu/Debian seem agressive in backporting compilers
545 2022-03-10T19:19:40  <laanwj> i dont't think we should be jumping on bumping the minimum gcc faster and faster
546 2022-03-10T19:19:47  <dongcarl> _aj_: Lol very cool hack!
547 2022-03-10T19:20:21  <sipa> It's true that the guix based build allows us to go a bit faster, but still..m
548 2022-03-10T19:21:09  * jeremyrubin sends aj to c++ jail
549 2022-03-10T19:21:54  <sipa> and removes all his friend classes?
550 2022-03-10T19:22:01  <MarcoFalke> Right, I am not too happy that this needs bumping so far
551 2022-03-10T19:22:33  <MarcoFalke> Let's see how many people will complain about the gcc-8 minimum in 23.x
552 2022-03-10T19:22:43  <laanwj> _aj_: scary lol
553 2022-03-10T19:24:26  <MarcoFalke> Though, designated initializers is already implemented in gcc-8
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556 2022-03-10T19:26:46  <laanwj> gcc 8 was released in 2018, hopefully not too many
557 2022-03-10T19:27:39  <MarcoFalke> dongcarl: Not aware of a flag for that, but I don't think our msvc users are running that old software, so at least for them C++20 shouldn't be an issue
558 2022-03-10T19:28:12  <laanwj> and yes guix allows bumping faster, though, it's generally nice if it's possible to build bitcoind with a platforms' existing compiler as-is
559 2022-03-10T19:29:22  <laanwj> for MSVC there's less reason to support old versions
560 2022-03-10T19:30:15  <dongcarl> +1 "it's generally nice if it's possible to build bitcoind with a platforms' existing compiler as-is"
561 2022-03-10T19:30:30  <sipa> indeed
562 2022-03-10T19:31:12  <_aj_> jeremyrubin: i'm not stuck in here with c++, c++ is stuck in here with me
563 2022-03-10T19:31:39  <laanwj> any other topics for today?
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566 2022-03-10T19:32:29  <MarcoFalke> So would people object using C++17 + designated initializers?
567 2022-03-10T19:33:11  <sipa> I'm not very much a fan of enabling features too selectively, but I guess if there is a good reason?
568 2022-03-10T19:33:15  <jonatack> I think I agree with sipa's comment against whitelisting features granularly
569 2022-03-10T19:33:17  <dongcarl> I'd support it since it's been in gcc and clang for so long, but I don't know the msvc situation
570 2022-03-10T19:33:26  <sipa> *granularly
571 2022-03-10T19:33:43  <MarcoFalke> Seems slightly preferable to me than to implement designated initializers ourselves
572 2022-03-10T19:33:44  <laanwj> it's a bit weird to conform to a standard but then make an exception, then again, like with browsers it seems that there's so little competition that "if it works with gcc and clang" is all that matters...
573 2022-03-10T19:34:26  <jeremyrubin> building our own c++ compiler seems like something we'll do at some point
574 2022-03-10T19:34:52  <laanwj> so i don't have a big problem with it either
575 2022-03-10T19:34:56  <dongcarl> I found it very useful in mostly heterogenous structs to make sure I'm not setting the wrong element, or to set only a subset of elements and leave the rest to default.
576 2022-03-10T19:35:00  <laanwj> jeremyrubin: who is this we
577 2022-03-10T19:35:10  <MarcoFalke> Just saying, if we want #24032, then it seems we want designated initializers. If not, then well no need to discuss ;)
578 2022-03-10T19:35:12  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24032 | Refactor vDeployments setup to avoid uninitialized variables by ajtowns · Pull Request #24032 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
579 2022-03-10T19:35:19  <dongcarl> You could do it in other ways, but it's much nicer with designated initializers
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581 2022-03-10T19:36:14  <dongcarl> other ways = clang-tidy annotations / Options foo{}; foo.this_particular_item = 0; foo.that_particular_item = 5;
582 2022-03-10T19:36:22  <MarcoFalke> yeah, a workaround could be to add a constructor to the struct that takes all arguments and then use clang-tidy's named argument check
583 2022-03-10T19:37:06  <_aj_> (foo.this=1; foo.that=2; prevents "foo" from being const)
584 2022-03-10T19:37:19  <dongcarl> _aj_: TRUE! I ran into that ytd
585 2022-03-10T19:37:36  <jeremyrubin> _aj_: you can rebind it after to a const?
586 2022-03-10T19:37:40  <jeremyrubin> if it's moveable
587 2022-03-10T19:37:50  <_aj_> jeremyrubin: or wrap it in a function, sure
588 2022-03-10T19:38:00  <laanwj> so to be clear, using designated initializers works right now, without any build system changes?
589 2022-03-10T19:38:15  <laanwj> and without bumping minimum compiler versions
590 2022-03-10T19:38:34  <MarcoFalke> const Options foo{[]{ Options _foo{}; _foo.a =  0; _foo.b = 1; return _foo; }()};
591 2022-03-10T19:39:02  <MarcoFalke> laanwj: Yes, we already did that a long time ago
592 2022-03-10T19:39:08  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: 🤮
593 2022-03-10T19:39:29  <MarcoFalke> laanwj: Only found out when we started compiling the code (fuzz tests) with msvc
594 2022-03-10T19:39:33  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: Oh it doesn't fail on msvc? It's just review that's stopping designated initializers?
595 2022-03-10T19:39:37  <laanwj> i mean in that case i don't see a big problem with using them
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597 2022-03-10T19:40:19  <MarcoFalke> dongcarl: It does fail msvc. Though, bumping msvc to c++20 should fix that issue.
598 2022-03-10T19:40:23  <laanwj> bump the msvc requirement to c++20
599 2022-03-10T19:40:25  <_aj_> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support -- lists Apple's Clang as only having partial support
600 2022-03-10T19:40:25  <laanwj> right
601 2022-03-10T19:41:21  <MarcoFalke> Jup, but that should be the same partial support that clang-7 has
602 2022-03-10T19:41:35  <laanwj> so we can only use the partial support
603 2022-03-10T19:41:54  <MarcoFalke> Right
604 2022-03-10T19:41:57  <laanwj> if that isn't enough then there's no need to bother
605 2022-03-10T19:42:04  * dongcarl wonders if we should start using {fmt} in preparation for C++20 std::format
606 2022-03-10T19:42:27  <_aj_> sgtm
607 2022-03-10T19:43:12  <MarcoFalke> dongcarl: std::format lands with improvements in C++23, so is it ready for production in C++20 already?
608 2022-03-10T19:43:45  <Earnest> Is there an issue/pr for dumpwallet with descriptor wallets?
609 2022-03-10T19:44:07  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: oh perhaps not, haven't looked into it yet. {fmt} is compatible with C++20 std::format and has users, so I assume it's somewhat usable?
610 2022-03-10T19:44:26  <Earnest> Or will that be replaced with new 'listdescriptors true' rpc?
611 2022-03-10T19:44:39  <laanwj> i dont think there is an urgent reason to switch to another way of string formatting
612 2022-03-10T19:44:55  <MarcoFalke> The designated initializers partial support doesn't allow braces, which no one should be using anyway unless required
613 2022-03-10T19:45:24  <dongcarl> laanwj: Right, not urgent at all
614 2022-03-10T19:47:27  <laanwj> replacing tinyformat is something we can do after c++20 or even c++23
615 2022-03-10T19:48:01  <dongcarl> Yup!
616 2022-03-10T19:48:23  *** bitcoin-git <bitcoin-git!~bitcoin-g@x0f.org> has joined #bitcoin-core-dev
617 2022-03-10T19:48:23  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #24527: test: set segwit height back to 0 on regtest (master...202203_regtest_segwitheight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24527
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619 2022-03-10T19:48:29  <_aj_> replacing tinyformat sounds like a lot of lines of code to change
620 2022-03-10T19:48:54  <laanwj> but it could be mechanical, maybe
621 2022-03-10T19:49:14  <laanwj> given that format strings map in some way
622 2022-03-10T19:49:45  <laanwj> in any case, it's not urgent
623 2022-03-10T19:49:47  <laanwj> any other topics?
624 2022-03-10T19:51:41  <laanwj> #endmeeting
625 2022-03-10T19:51:41  <core-meetingbot`> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
626 2022-03-10T19:51:41  <core-meetingbot`> Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 19:51:41 2022 UTC.
627 2022-03-10T19:51:41  <core-meetingbot`> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-03-10-19.00.moin.txt
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645 2022-03-10T20:57:02  <luke-jr> #24294 should probably be in 23.x or closed :/
646 2022-03-10T20:57:04  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24294 | RPC: Switch getblockfrompeer back to standard param names blockhash and nodeid by luke-jr · Pull Request #24294 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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649 2022-03-10T21:13:22  <jonatack> luke-jr: or perhaps updated to snakecase "status-next" (if not used elsewhere, seems no) and "blockhash" in getdeploymentinfo
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