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 27 2022-03-24T01:50:50  <luke-jr> jamesob: FYI, fixed a number of issues in #23549 - feel free to squash my branch into your PR ☺
 28 2022-03-24T01:50:51  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23549 | Add scanblocks RPC call (attempt 2) by jamesob · Pull Request #23549 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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102 2022-03-24T06:36:23  <laanwj> from now on, you need to be registered with nickssrv to post here
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105 2022-03-24T06:42:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cea230eec400...98e9d8e8e2e3
106 2022-03-24T06:42:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 39b1763 Kiminuo: Replace use of `ArgsManager` with `DatabaseOptions`
107 2022-03-24T06:42:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 98e9d8e MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23732: refactor: Remove `gArgs` from `bdb.h` and `sq...
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110 2022-03-24T06:42:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23732: refactor: Remove `gArgs` from `bdb.h` and `sqlite.h` (master...feature/2021-12-02-db-without-gArgs-base) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23732
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112 2022-03-24T06:48:42  <laanwj> adding frequent contributors to the organization is purely practical, so that they appear in the list and can be assigned issues / reviews, this is useful when they take part in collaborative development, it is not a judgement of people or their employer or whatever
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116 2022-03-24T07:12:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 5 commits to 23.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/55a60b971802...7d03cf632d16
117 2022-03-24T07:12:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x fc421d4 Sjors Provoost: move-only: helper function to present PSBT
118 2022-03-24T07:12:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 9406946 Sjors Provoost: refactor: helper function signWithExternalSigner()
119 2022-03-24T07:12:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 642f272 Sjors Provoost: gui: restore Send for external signer
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122 2022-03-24T07:12:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24596: [23.x] GUI backports (23.x...220317-23.x-backport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24596
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131 2022-03-24T07:59:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #24656: refactor: Move mempool RPCs to rpc/mempool (master...2203-more-mempool-🍢) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24656
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168 2022-03-24T10:54:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24658: doc: mention that BDB is for the legacy wallet in build-netbsd.md (master...netbsd_descriptor_reorder) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24658
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171 2022-03-24T10:55:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #23470: doc: consolidate legacy wallet documentation (master...wallet_mess_cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23470
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176 2022-03-24T10:57:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 061accf fanquake: build: require libtool 2.4.2
177 2022-03-24T10:57:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cea2ce0 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24650: build: require libtool 2.4.2
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180 2022-03-24T10:57:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24650: build: require libtool 2.4.2 (master...require_libtool_2_4_6) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24650
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183 2022-03-24T10:57:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cea2ce09deb6...6fee9de54274
184 2022-03-24T10:57:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e857f0b Hennadii Stepanov: guix: Drop unneeded openssl dependency for signapple
185 2022-03-24T10:57:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6fee9de fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24508: guix: Drop unneeded openssl dependency for si...
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188 2022-03-24T10:58:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24508: guix: Drop unneeded openssl dependency for signapple (master...220309-openssl) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24508
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193 2022-03-24T11:12:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2726b60 Ayush Sharma: test: use MiniWallet for rpc_createmultisig.py
194 2022-03-24T11:12:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8234cda fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24587: test: use MiniWallet for rpc_createmultisig.p...
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197 2022-03-24T11:13:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24587: test: use MiniWallet for rpc_createmultisig.py (master...createmultisig-miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24587
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204 2022-03-24T11:25:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8234cdaf6257...e40327d3bb5b
205 2022-03-24T11:25:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 682962d fanquake: guix: point to latest upstream commit
206 2022-03-24T11:25:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 946b86c fanquake: Revert "build: Fix gcc-cross-x86_64-w64-mingw32-10.3.0 in Guix"
207 2022-03-24T11:25:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e40327d fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24599: guix: remove mingw-w64 std::filesystem workar...
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210 2022-03-24T11:26:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24599: guix: remove mingw-w64 std::filesystem workaround (master...remove_newlib_workaround) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24599
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218 2022-03-24T11:38:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e40327d3bb5b...864fb89b2f8b
219 2022-03-24T11:38:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eb3c5c4 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: MiniWallet: add helper methods `{send,create}_self_transfer_multi`
220 2022-03-24T11:38:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2b6dd4e Sebastian Falbesoner: test: use MiniWallet for mempool_package_onemore.py
221 2022-03-24T11:38:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 864fb89 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24637: test: use MiniWallet for mempool_package_onem...
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224 2022-03-24T11:38:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24637: test: use MiniWallet for mempool_package_onemore.py (master...20220322-test-use_MiniWallet_for_mempool_packages_onemore) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24637
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231 2022-03-24T11:51:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24659: util: add linkat to syscall sandbox (AllowFileSystem) (master...maybe_fix_24536) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24659
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235 2022-03-24T11:56:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa76d8d MarcoFalke: test: Actually print TSan tracebacks
236 2022-03-24T11:56:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 26d98d5 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24574: test: Actually print TSan tracebacks
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239 2022-03-24T11:57:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24574: test: Actually print TSan tracebacks (master...2203-tsan-bug-🐳) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24574
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252 2022-03-24T12:15:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/26d98d51f2cf...e7b6272b3053
253 2022-03-24T12:15:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf37c2 MarcoFalke: rpc: Exclude descriptor when address is excluded
254 2022-03-24T12:15:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e7b6272 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24636: rpc: Exclude descriptor when address is exclu...
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258 2022-03-24T12:16:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24636: rpc: Exclude descriptor when address is excluded (master...2203-docBug-💧) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24636
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269 2022-03-24T12:52:35  <vincenzopalazzo> there is someone open to review this PR? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23127
270 2022-03-24T12:53:09  <vincenzopalazzo> This include test refactoring, and I think it is good avoid to many rebase to avoid to introduce some regression
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275 2022-03-24T13:01:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e7b6272b3053...213e98ca826e
276 2022-03-24T13:01:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae2220 MarcoFalke: scheduler: Capture ‘this’ explicitly in lambda
277 2022-03-24T13:01:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fabb7c4 MarcoFalke: Make fs.h C++20 compliant
278 2022-03-24T13:01:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae6790 MarcoFalke: Add CSerializedNetMsg::Copy() helper
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281 2022-03-24T13:01:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24169: build: Add --enable-c++20 option (master...2201-ciCpp20) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24169
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285 2022-03-24T13:11:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 97af652 Hennadii Stepanov: guix: Drop code for the unsupported `i686-linux-gnu` host
286 2022-03-24T13:11:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 053499f fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24639: guix: Drop code for the unsupported `i686-lin...
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289 2022-03-24T13:11:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24639: guix: Drop code for the unsupported `i686-linux-gnu` host (master...220322-guix686) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24639
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295 2022-03-24T13:13:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7ac7198 fanquake: doc: mention that BDB is for the legacy wallet in build-netbsd.md
296 2022-03-24T13:13:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7d0e42a fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24658: doc: mention that BDB is for the legacy walle...
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299 2022-03-24T13:13:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24658: doc: mention that BDB is for the legacy wallet in build-netbsd.md (master...netbsd_descriptor_reorder) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24658
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308 2022-03-24T13:28:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7d0e42abce9d...4a0ab355b3e7
309 2022-03-24T13:28:44  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b281398 Martin Zumsande: init: disallow reindex-chainstate when pruning
310 2022-03-24T13:28:44  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4a0ab35 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24626: init: disallow reindex-chainstate when prunin...
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313 2022-03-24T13:29:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24626: init: disallow reindex-chainstate when pruning (master...202203_reindex_cs_prune) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24626
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340 2022-03-24T15:24:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #19920: test: Fuzzing siphash against reference implementation [Request for feedback] (master...2020-fuzzing-siphash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19920
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359 2022-03-24T16:03:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #24014: build: Upgrade default msvc platform (master...pr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24014
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363 2022-03-24T16:40:46  <stickies-v> Is anyone running a somewhat stable node on CJDNS and willing to somewhat commit to keep it up and running for a few weeks, until after RC testing is finished? There are already a few addresses listed in #23077 but since it's been a few months since that PR I'm not sure they're still in use, and of course the more the better to spread the load.
364 2022-03-24T16:40:49  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23077 | Full CJDNS support by vasild · Pull Request #23077 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
365 2022-03-24T16:42:10  <stickies-v> (cc vasild jonatack jamesob dunxen )
366 2022-03-24T16:42:51  <vasild> mine should be online
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370 2022-03-24T16:58:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4a0ab355b3e7...0a14a16efe0f
371 2022-03-24T16:58:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa8857c MarcoFalke: Replace struct update_fee_delta with lambda
372 2022-03-24T16:58:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa84a49 MarcoFalke: Use CAmount for fee delta and modified fee
373 2022-03-24T16:58:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0a14a16 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24625: Replace struct update_fee_delta with lambda
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376 2022-03-24T16:58:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24625: Replace struct update_fee_delta with lambda (master...2203-refactor-fee-delta-🔶) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24625
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385 2022-03-24T17:34:42  <bitcoin-git> [gui] vasild opened pull request #569: test: add regression test for #567 (master...options_test) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/569
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390 2022-03-24T17:44:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0a14a16efe0f...65e9ca22785f
391 2022-03-24T17:44:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ed15848 Jon Atack: doc: create initial doc/cjdns.md for cjdns how-to documentation
392 2022-03-24T17:44:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3bf6f0c Jon Atack: doc: update tor.md with cjdns and getnodeaddresses, fix tor grep,
393 2022-03-24T17:44:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f44efc3 Jon Atack: doc: update i2p.md with cjdns, improve local addresses section
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396 2022-03-24T17:44:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #24555: doc: create initial doc/cjdns.md for CJDNS how-to documentation (master...cjdns-doc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24555
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403 2022-03-24T18:07:03  <csw> hi
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407 2022-03-24T18:12:58  <jonatack> stickies: thanks for working on this! There have been only three CJDNS nodes that have been stable these past months. For the testing guide I would suggest using the ones added to the DNS seeds in #24166
408 2022-03-24T18:12:59  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24166 | p2p, contrib: add cjdns hardcoded seeds and update the i2p seeds by jonatack · Pull Request #24166 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
409 2022-03-24T18:13:41  <jonatack> stickies-v: (as we just discussed privately but replying here as well)
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412 2022-03-24T18:17:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #23362: util: Add "importfromcoldcard" command to bitcoin-wallet tool (master...211025-cc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23362
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415 2022-03-24T18:18:15  <stickies-v> yeah I'll stick to those 3 working ones for now, but still if anyone's able to add to the pool that would be much appreciated to add some redundancy and load spreading
416 2022-03-24T18:21:31  <jonatack> yes, it's early days, more testing and feedback by people can be helpful, along with bootstrapping more bitcoin CJDNS nodes
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418 2022-03-24T18:22:16  <jonatack> those three cjdns nodes have been solid though for me (well, the two that aren't mine)
419 2022-03-24T18:24:59  <cjd> Something I've wanted to do for a while is optional auto-introduction, like dns seeds
420 2022-03-24T18:25:32  <cjd> Guess a start would be to just try run a script that tries connecting to every node on a list and then marks them as up or down
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422 2022-03-24T18:27:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #23807: p2p: Remove GetAdjustedTime() from AddrMan (master...remove_adjusted_time_addrman) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23807
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427 2022-03-24T18:52:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #24662: addrman: Use sytem time instead of adjusted network time (master...2203-add-🔍) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24662
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430 2022-03-24T18:52:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke reopened pull request #24662: addrman: Use sytem time instead of adjusted network time (master...2203-add-🔍) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24662
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432 2022-03-24T18:55:47  <stickies-v> #proposedmeetingtopic RC23.0 Testing Guide update: https://github.com/stickies-v/bitcoin-devwiki/blob/master/23.0-Release-Candidate-Testing-Guide.md
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435 2022-03-24T18:59:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/65e9ca22785f...a697a3fc9156
436 2022-03-24T18:59:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0bfbf7f josibake: test: use MiniWallet in `interfaces_zmq`
437 2022-03-24T18:59:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bc90b8d josibake: [move only] remove `is_wallet_compiled` checks
438 2022-03-24T18:59:33  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a697a3f MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24653: test: use `MiniWallet` in `test/functional/in...
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441 2022-03-24T18:59:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24653: test: use `MiniWallet` in `test/functional/interface_zmq` (master...josibake-make-interfaces-zmq-test-use-miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24653
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443 2022-03-24T19:00:19  <laanwj> #startmeeting
444 2022-03-24T19:00:20  <core-meetingbot`> Meeting started Thu Mar 24 19:00:19 2022 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
445 2022-03-24T19:00:20  <core-meetingbot`> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
446 2022-03-24T19:00:28  <fanquake> hi
447 2022-03-24T19:00:31  <hebasto> hi
448 2022-03-24T19:00:34  <larryruane> Hi
449 2022-03-24T19:00:36  <michaelfolkson> hi
450 2022-03-24T19:00:40  <stickies-v> hi
451 2022-03-24T19:00:40  <achow101> hi
452 2022-03-24T19:00:57  <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
453 2022-03-24T19:00:58  <laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
454 2022-03-24T19:01:01  <MarcoFalke> hi
455 2022-03-24T19:01:02  <dongcarl> hi
456 2022-03-24T19:01:04  <sipsorcery> hi
457 2022-03-24T19:01:06  <cfields_> hi
458 2022-03-24T19:01:20  <laanwj> hello everyone, welcome to the weekly general #bitcoin-core-dev meeting
459 2022-03-24T19:01:29  <sipa> hi
460 2022-03-24T19:02:01  <laanwj> two topics have been proposed: Current thinking on when to deprecate and the deprecation process when deprecation is considered appropriate (michaelfolkson) and RC23.0 Testing Guide update (stickes-v)
461 2022-03-24T19:02:17  <lightlike> hi
462 2022-03-24T19:02:17  <laanwj> any last minute ones?
463 2022-03-24T19:02:27  <michaelfolkson> Please do stickies-v topic first
464 2022-03-24T19:03:24  <laanwj> michaelfolkson: ok, well, we'll start with high priority for review dsicussion as usual then stickies-v topic
465 2022-03-24T19:03:32  <michaelfolkson> Of course, yup
466 2022-03-24T19:03:34  <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
467 2022-03-24T19:03:34  <core-meetingbot`> topic: High priority for review
468 2022-03-24T19:04:02  <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8  10 blockers, 1 chasing concept ACK
469 2022-03-24T19:04:24  <laanwj> anything to add, remove, or that is almost ready for merge?
470 2022-03-24T19:05:17  <kanzure> hi
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472 2022-03-24T19:05:21  <dongcarl> "almost ready for merge" as in "already on the list and almost ready for merge"?
473 2022-03-24T19:05:43  <laanwj> dongcarl: yes, that's what i mean
474 2022-03-24T19:05:56  <dongcarl> 👍
475 2022-03-24T19:05:56  <laanwj> that said, you can mention PRs that should be merged any time whether on the list or not
476 2022-03-24T19:06:13  <fanquake> I don't have a PR, but I'd propose #23083
477 2022-03-24T19:06:14  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23083 | rpc: Fail to return undocumented or misdocumented JSON by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #23083 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
478 2022-03-24T19:06:15  <dongcarl> Got it, just checking! 😄
479 2022-03-24T19:06:31  <MarcoFalke> fanquake: Good suggestion
480 2022-03-24T19:06:39  <MarcoFalke> Though, I already have one on hi-prio
481 2022-03-24T19:06:46  <MarcoFalke> (It's illegal to have two)
482 2022-03-24T19:06:56  <fanquake> it can take the place of my PR
483 2022-03-24T19:07:08  <fanquake> the amount of bugs it's found would warrant it
484 2022-03-24T19:07:09  <dongcarl> 😮: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23083#issuecomment-1075037566
485 2022-03-24T19:07:10  <laanwj> yes highly illegal !!!
486 2022-03-24T19:08:13  <laanwj> MarcoFalke's other PR doesn't seem to have sufficient review yet to qualify for merging right now
487 2022-03-24T19:08:21  <laanwj> but yes, fine
488 2022-03-24T19:09:07  <laanwj> added
489 2022-03-24T19:09:16  * MarcoFalke blush
490 2022-03-24T19:09:16  <laanwj> anything else?
491 2022-03-24T19:10:57  <Murch> hi
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494 2022-03-24T19:11:28  <laanwj> if not, let's go to next topic
495 2022-03-24T19:11:38  <laanwj> #topic RC23.0 Testing Guide update (stickies-v)
496 2022-03-24T19:11:39  <core-meetingbot`> topic: RC23.0 Testing Guide update (stickies-v)
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498 2022-03-24T19:12:15  <stickies-v> As promised on last week’s meeting, I’d revert with an update on the RC23 testing guide, so first version available here: https://github.com/stickies-v/bitcoin-devwiki/blob/master/23.0-Release-Candidate-Testing-Guide.md . Please reach out any way you like with feedback and/or suggestions (too alpha for proofreading/typos though).
499 2022-03-24T19:12:33  <stickies-v> I still need to add instructions on arm-arm64-apple-darwin (cc hebasto) and even though consensus last week was that the RPC updates weren't super crucial to test in this guide, I might add some instructions if I have time. I'm still very much open to further changes to test, so please let me know if I missed anything you consider important?
500 2022-03-24T19:13:05  <laanwj> will take a look at it, thanks! do we need to add a link to it anywhere?
501 2022-03-24T19:13:08  <jonatack> hi
502 2022-03-24T19:13:22  <laanwj> i guess in  #24501 would make sens
503 2022-03-24T19:13:23  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24501 | v23.0 testing · Issue #24501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
504 2022-03-24T19:13:49  <stickies-v> it would, but I don't think it's ready for that yet, should be in a few days
505 2022-03-24T19:14:00  <stickies-v> then I'll also need write access to bitcoindev-wiki to update, I think?
506 2022-03-24T19:14:34  <laanwj> stickies-v: oh you don't yet?
507 2022-03-24T19:14:45  <laanwj> no problem we'll get that sorted
508 2022-03-24T19:15:07  <jeremyrubin> hi
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510 2022-03-24T19:15:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #24663: doc, init: add links to doc/cjdns.md (master...doc-cjdns) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24663
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512 2022-03-24T19:16:07  <stickies-v> ty! that's pretty much all from me, just wanted to update and encourage to reach out with ideas and feedback. thanks!
513 2022-03-24T19:16:35  <laanwj> thanks for the update
514 2022-03-24T19:17:23  <laanwj> #topic Current thinking on when to deprecate and the deprecation process when deprecation is considered appropriate
515 2022-03-24T19:17:23  <core-meetingbot`> topic: Current thinking on when to deprecate and the deprecation process when deprecation is considered appropriate
516 2022-03-24T19:17:33  <laanwj> (michaelfolkson)
517 2022-03-24T19:18:07  <michaelfolkson> Ok so I went down this mini rabbithole on deprecation in Core this week due to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24638
518 2022-03-24T19:18:50  <michaelfolkson> I was surprised that there was opposition to deprecating a RPC that appears to offer a subset of what another RPC offers
519 2022-03-24T19:19:05  <laanwj> usually we keep to two major releases for deprecation (say, RPC APIs), but there are some things with which to be much more careful around, like the legacy wallet
520 2022-03-24T19:19:53  <sipa> and it's always on a case-by-case basis weighing the benefits against the costs
521 2022-03-24T19:19:58  <jeremyrubin> i think if it is truly a subset we can just shim one functionality with the other new code  and the overhead of having an RPC call itself is not huge
522 2022-03-24T19:20:09  <laanwj> support for old wallets is really important for obvious reasons, so the upgrade path for that has to be completely water tight
523 2022-03-24T19:20:10  <MarcoFalke> michaelfolkson: I'd say the process is (1) Decide on a case-by-case basis what should be deprecated (2) Decide on a case-by-case basis what should be deleted
524 2022-03-24T19:20:13  <michaelfolkson> I tried to write up my current understanding on how Core approaches deprecation (whether to do it or not) https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/113008/what-are-the-considerations-when-assessing-whether-to-deprecate-a-feature-in-bit
525 2022-03-24T19:20:14  <jeremyrubin> the benefit of deprecation is if the old way is truly broken somehow / leads to tons of extra code
526 2022-03-24T19:20:43  <MarcoFalke> I don't think it makes sense to follow a strict process/timeline for deprecation/deletion
527 2022-03-24T19:21:06  <laanwj> yes, it's a compromise on a case by case basis
528 2022-03-24T19:21:07  <MarcoFalke> I even think that deletion is not mandatory for deprecated stuff
529 2022-03-24T19:21:17  <jonatack> my understanding is roughly as expressed in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24606#issuecomment-1076377877
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531 2022-03-24T19:21:59  <michaelfolkson> The argument against having a timeline though is you don't give sufficient advance warning to users/downstream projects and creates issues that could be avoided. Presumably that is why achow101 has tried a timeline approach
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533 2022-03-24T19:22:12  <michaelfolkson> *argument for
534 2022-03-24T19:22:26  <michaelfolkson> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20160
535 2022-03-24T19:22:42  <MarcoFalke> For example, there is almost no cost to an alias RPC, so personally I don't see a reason to remove it: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e30b6ea194fee3bb95a45e7b732a99566b88f1f5/src/wallet/rpc/coins.cpp#L235
536 2022-03-24T19:22:47  <sipa> Once we deprecate an RPC, the rule is generally 1 or 2 major releases.
537 2022-03-24T19:23:10  <sipa> But I think the point is that there isn't a fixed timeline about things, because it's always a case-by-case situation.
538 2022-03-24T19:23:31  <MarcoFalke> michaelfolkson: The timeline for the wallet already slipped, it is not something that users can rely on
539 2022-03-24T19:23:51  <sipa> E.g. the discussion around removing BDB/legacy wallet support is a very different one than the one around removing the misleading "addresses" RPC output field in getaddressinfo.
540 2022-03-24T19:24:24  <michaelfolkson> Right, I guess it is just about ensuring there is communication on what is planned
541 2022-03-24T19:24:50  <sipa> I don't think there's much to say here; there are a number of approaches we've used in the past... some of those may or may not be appropriate for future changes.
542 2022-03-24T19:25:13  <sipa> It all depends on what's on the line, and what is to be gained.
543 2022-03-24T19:25:44  <jeremyrubin> one point in favour of deprecation for this, is that in theory if someone is using it and they're updating their logic they might be helped by learning about the new functionalities
544 2022-03-24T19:25:45  <michaelfolkson> And nothing really to write up. Just case by case. The only thing that should maybe be done is communication on planned deprecation of legacy wallet
545 2022-03-24T19:25:50  * MarcoFalke reminds me of the "let's do a refactor-all-the-things week" discussion
546 2022-03-24T19:26:11  <laanwj> oh no
547 2022-03-24T19:26:59  <michaelfolkson> Staggered deprecations over multiple versions and good communication (mailing list, release notes etc) seem like good idea to me. But can't guarantee timelines
548 2022-03-24T19:27:16  <michaelfolkson> Ok, there isn't much more to be said then
549 2022-03-24T19:27:23  <laanwj> any other topics?
550 2022-03-24T19:27:36  <jonatack>  I agree with an ad hoc approach (in general)
551 2022-03-24T19:27:49  <jonatack> for most of these kind of topics
552 2022-03-24T19:30:22  <laanwj> if there's nothign more to discuss it's time to close the meeting, thanks everyone for attending
553 2022-03-24T19:30:25  <laanwj> #endmeeting
554 2022-03-24T19:30:25  <core-meetingbot`> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
555 2022-03-24T19:30:25  <core-meetingbot`> Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 19:30:25 2022 UTC.
556 2022-03-24T19:30:25  <core-meetingbot`> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-03-24-19.00.moin.txt
557 2022-03-24T19:30:31  <dongcarl> Thanks!
558 2022-03-24T19:32:16  <michaelfolkson> Would it be worth putting in 23.0 release notes that there is the intention to deprecate the legacy wallet in a future version?
559 2022-03-24T19:32:48  <michaelfolkson> Or at least an issue open that seeks to do that?
560 2022-03-24T19:33:59  <michaelfolkson> I get it may never happen but advance warnings on things that could/are likely to happen seems smart
561 2022-03-24T19:34:31  <achow101> michaelfolkson: there are already plans in place for in software warnings about deprecation
562 2022-03-24T19:35:11  <michaelfolkson> Ok, yeah that's true
563 2022-03-24T19:36:26  <michaelfolkson> And someone stuck on an old version wouldn't necessarily read the release notes of 23.0
564 2022-03-24T19:37:03  <michaelfolkson> User/downstream project
565 2022-03-24T19:37:30  <achow101> do keep in mind that even if someone were to skip 3 years of releases, they would not necessarily find themselves SOL. There will be a migration tool that remains even after the removal of bdb and the legacy wallet
566 2022-03-24T19:38:15  <MarcoFalke> migratewallet would be a nice pull for hi-prio?
567 2022-03-24T19:38:40  <achow101> MarcoFalke: I currently have taproot psbt as my hi prio
568 2022-03-24T19:38:48  <MarcoFalke> ah
569 2022-03-24T19:38:55  <michaelfolkson> Others have two :)
570 2022-03-24T19:40:04  <michaelfolkson> Do we have any idea what downstream projects would be affected and rely on the Core wallet? I'm guessing not many
571 2022-03-24T19:40:29  <achow101> there are several which use the core wallet as a watchonly wallet
572 2022-03-24T19:40:40  <achow101> several of those have already moved to using descriptor wallets
573 2022-03-24T19:44:30  <michaelfolkson> Ok. I think if it were entirely down to me I'd want a mailing list post, indication in release notes of previous versions too. Just cover all bases. Can't be criticized then
574 2022-03-24T19:45:03  <michaelfolkson> But the deprecation warnings are probably most important
575 2022-03-24T19:45:34  <michaelfolkson> And the migratewallet tool being available well in advance (which it will be)
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583 2022-03-24T20:14:59  <stickies-v> Communication and warnings are essential but I think especially small dev teams tend to gloss over that sometimes. I think it would be helpful for downstream users to have a global RPC flag like `-testdeprecation` that lets RPCs behave as if the functionality is already removed. That's very easy for them to add to their automated test suites and quickly be informed of upcoming breaking changes that actually affect
584 2022-03-24T20:15:00  <stickies-v> them?
585 2022-03-24T20:17:01  <sipa> @[stickies-v] We have the opposite, there is an -deprecatedrpc=X that lets you bring back an RPC temporarily.
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587 2022-03-24T20:19:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 8 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a697a3fc9156...f0c9ba2b48c3
588 2022-03-24T20:19:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2b7a818 Jon Atack: net, init: assert each network reachability is true by default
589 2022-03-24T20:19:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master afdf2de Jon Atack: test: add CJDNS to LimitedAndReachable_Network unit tests
590 2022-03-24T20:19:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bd57dcb Jon Atack: test: hoist proxy out of 2 network loops in feature_proxy.py
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593 2022-03-24T20:19:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24205: init, test: improve network reachability test coverage and safety (master...network-reachability-assertion-and-testing) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24205
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595 2022-03-24T20:21:08  <stickies-v> Yeah that's true, but offering the tools to be proactive too seems helpful? Gives more time to migrate (or less time required for core to maintain, as per the case-by-case approach)
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598 2022-03-24T20:29:16  <jonatack> stickies-v: with the current approach they don't even need to pass a flag for their test suites to inform them ;)
599 2022-03-24T20:32:43  <jonatack> (i do like the current -deprecatedrpc= approach, modulo that we don't have the same -- yet -- for configuration options)
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601 2022-03-24T20:32:56  <stickies-v> Hmm I don't get that. Isn't the current flow 1) communicate deprecation at some future version 2) at release of announced future version, enforce deprecation in API but add fallback via -deprecatedrpc 3) at some later version, remove -deprecatedrpc and remove logic altogether ?
602 2022-03-24T20:34:24  <jonatack> doc/JSON-RPC-interface.md#versioning
603 2022-03-24T20:38:12  <jonatack> upon a major version release, the release notes mention the deprecations, and on upgrading, an API client's test suite should provide feedback, with the possibility to workaround those temporarily by passing  -deprecatedrpc= flags
604 2022-03-24T20:38:35  <sipa> @[stickies-v] 1 and 2 are the same
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607 2022-03-24T20:40:48  <stickies-v> ah okay thanks, I thought there was always at least 1 version between 1 and 2. Thanks for clearing up
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611 2022-03-24T20:47:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 14 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f0c9ba2b48c3...3740cdd12551
612 2022-03-24T20:47:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c7c64db Andrew Chow: wallet: cleanup COutput constructor
613 2022-03-24T20:47:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 10379f0 Andrew Chow: scripted-diff: Rename COutput member variables
614 2022-03-24T20:47:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4602295 Andrew Chow: wallet: Remove use_max_sig default value
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617 2022-03-24T20:47:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24091: wallet: Consolidate CInputCoin and COutput (master...consolidate-coutput-cinputcoin) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24091
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633 2022-03-24T21:55:10  <achow101> Is #23536 rfm? It has 4 ACKs, but as it ostensibly a consensus change, perhaps requires some more scrutiny?
634 2022-03-24T21:55:15  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23536 | Enforce Taproot script flags whenever WITNESS is set by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #23536 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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651 2022-03-24T22:51:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #16228: Bugfix: make check: Only run tests that were compiled (master...bugfix_raii_check_fail) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16228
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654 2022-03-24T22:51:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr reopened pull request #16228: Bugfix: make check: Only run tests that were compiled (master...bugfix_raii_check_fail) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16228
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