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 222022-05-27T01:16:31  <jamesob> 25 descendant limit?
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 722022-05-27T08:06:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 75848ec Jon Atack: scripts and tools: update lint-logs.py to detect LogPrintLevel()
 732022-05-27T08:06:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 77e125c MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25217: scripts and tools: update lint-logs.py to det...
 742022-05-27T08:06:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25217: scripts and tools: update lint-logs.py to detect LogPrintLevel, mention WalletLogPrintf (master...update-logs-linter-script-with-LogPrintLevel) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25217
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 892022-05-27T09:07:10  <vasild> Can I haz #24356 in high-prio for review? It would help move #21878 forward.
 902022-05-27T09:07:12  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24356 | refactor: replace CConnman::SocketEvents() with mockable Sock::WaitMany() by vasild · Pull Request #24356 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 912022-05-27T09:07:14  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21878 | Make all networking code mockable by vasild · Pull Request #21878 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1002022-05-27T10:00:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/77e125c486d0...66bb4df41059
1012022-05-27T10:00:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7e9fe6d Andrew Chow: windeploy: Renewed windows code signing certificate
1022022-05-27T10:00:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 66bb4df fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25201: windeploy: Renewed windows code signing certi...
1032022-05-27T10:00:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #25201: windeploy: Renewed windows code signing certificate (master...2022-05-win-cert) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25201
1042022-05-27T10:09:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #25224: Get time less often in AddrManImpl::ResolveCollisions_() (master...2205-time-less-🐠) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25224
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1262022-05-27T12:31:32  <jamesob> I'm not understanding why the 26th iteration of this loop doesn't hit a "too many descendants for tx" error, anyone know? https://github.com/jamesob/bitcoin/blob/c5e67be03bb06a5d7885c55db1f016fbf2333fe3/test/functional/feature_rbf.py#L370-L376
1272022-05-27T12:35:31  <jamesob> Oh - the answer is that in the test setup, we manually specify the descendant count limit: https://github.com/jamesob/bitcoin/blob/c5e67be03bb06a5d7885c55db1f016fbf2333fe3/test/functional/feature_rbf.py#L42. So I'm still confused by RBF rule 5.
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1382022-05-27T13:14:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/66bb4df41059...57bf12523cf9
1392022-05-27T13:14:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7036cf5 KevinMusgrave: Delete UpdatePackagesForAdded at beginning of addPackageTxs.
1402022-05-27T13:14:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 57bf125 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24934: refactor, miner: Delete call to UpdatePackage...
1412022-05-27T13:14:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24934: refactor, miner: Delete call to UpdatePackagesForAdded at beginning of addPackageTxs (master...2022-04-delete-UpdatePackagesForAdded) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24934
1422022-05-27T13:14:33  <sdaftuar2> jamesob: not sure if i'm misunderstanding your question, but i'll take a stab at it - imagine there are 5 transactions in the mempool that are unrelated, and each has 24 descendants. then a new transaction comes along that conflicts all 5 of those transactions.
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1442022-05-27T13:15:02  <sdaftuar> that new transaction would cause 125 transactions to be evicted, so it would fail that rbf policy test
1452022-05-27T13:15:17  <sdaftuar> (even if it paid sufficient fees etc)
1462022-05-27T13:18:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/57bf12523cf9...3ba6dd6f4bb4
1472022-05-27T13:18:13  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4185570 t-bast: Add RPC to get mempool txs spending outputs
1482022-05-27T13:18:13  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3ba6dd6 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24408: rpc: add rpc to get mempool txs spending spec...
1492022-05-27T13:18:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24408: rpc: add rpc to get mempool txs spending specific prevouts (master...get-mempool-spending-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24408
1502022-05-27T13:20:24  <sdaftuar> jamesob: or even simpler, imagine a transaction with 101 inputs -- that could directly conflict with 101 different in-mempool transactions, which would violate the rule
1512022-05-27T13:25:12  <jamesob> sdaftuar: thanks - what do you mean exactly by "directly conflict" in that simpler case? in that case, what exactly is being RBF'd to evict the 101 txns supplying those inputs?
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1532022-05-27T13:26:00  <sdaftuar> new tx B directly conflicts with existing tx A if an input of tx A is double-spent in B
1542022-05-27T13:26:19  <sdaftuar> so in theory, a transaction B with N inputs could directly conflict with N different transactions in the mempool
1552022-05-27T13:26:28  <jamesob> I thought we just didn't allow admission to the mempool for tx B on the basis that its inputs are not available?
1562022-05-27T13:26:57  <sdaftuar> well this is the RBF case! so the point is to allow it and evict the other transactions if the feerate/total fee checks pass
1572022-05-27T13:27:33  <jamesob> ooooh, I see - if each of those N transactions is marked RBFable
1582022-05-27T13:27:41  <sdaftuar> right
1592022-05-27T13:28:28  <sdaftuar> the point of that rule #5 is to avoid pathological situations where we might be evicted thousands of transactions to make room for a new one
1602022-05-27T13:28:29  <jamesob> okay, so the only practical case where rule 5 might apply is when a single RBF replacement txn is "uniting" a bunch of separate txn graphs
1612022-05-27T13:28:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5 | Make the version number the protocol version and not the client version · Issue #5 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1622022-05-27T13:29:11  <jamesob> (or where the user has configured higher ancestor/descendant limits)
1632022-05-27T13:29:22  <sdaftuar> and there could be cpu dos concerns or something, we could probably reason about it more carefully but i think the 100 limit was designed to be accommodate anything reasonably anyone might want to do
1642022-05-27T13:29:57  <sdaftuar> (bah english is hard sorry)
1652022-05-27T13:30:10  <jamesob> no I gotcha
1662022-05-27T13:30:43  <jamesob> okay thanks, that all makes sense. Looks like we don't have a functional test for that case you just showed me
1672022-05-27T13:31:20  <jamesob> (rather we manually set the ancestor/desc limits higher and then trigger rule 5 with a single fully contiguous txn graph)
1682022-05-27T13:31:39  <sdaftuar> ah ok, yeah maybe it would be nice to conflict with multiple different transaction packages too then
1692022-05-27T13:32:15  <sdaftuar> i don't think that's a different code path, but is it a different logical thing so perhaps worth doing for the next person who has this question :)
1702022-05-27T13:32:22  <sdaftuar> but it is*
1712022-05-27T13:33:19  <jamesob> right
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1732022-05-27T13:43:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3ba6dd6f4bb4...345457b542b6
1742022-05-27T13:43:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6e1c16c Ryan Ofsky: multiprocess build fix: ipc/capnp/init.capnp.h: No such file or directory
1752022-05-27T13:43:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 44904aa Ryan Ofsky: multiprocess build cleanup: comment on manual dependencies
1762022-05-27T13:43:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 345457b fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25214: multiprocess build fix: ipc/capnp/init.capnp....
1772022-05-27T13:44:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #25214: multiprocess build fix: ipc/capnp/init.capnp.h: No such file or directory (master...pr/mpdep) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25214
1782022-05-27T13:49:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #25227: Return empty vector on invalid hex encoding (master...2205-reject-non-hex-🌲) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25227
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1842022-05-27T14:53:00  <_aj_> jamesob: it's the test_too_many_replacements in feature_rbf.py, no?
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1872022-05-27T15:13:47  <jamesob> _aj_: right, but that hinges on setting the descendant limit higher than default
1882022-05-27T15:14:30  <_aj_> jamesob: *nod*
1892022-05-27T15:14:54  <_aj_> omg, setting up CI for a bitcoin fork is easy now? <3 you guys
1902022-05-27T15:15:09  <jamesob> I'm writing a test case at the moment that will show what sdaftuar outlined above
1912022-05-27T15:16:33  <_aj_> jamesob: 30 comfirmed utxos, each spent by a single in mempool tx, then an attempt to RBF to a single tx that spends all 30 utxos?
1922022-05-27T15:17:04  <_aj_> s/30/101/ i guess
1932022-05-27T15:17:25  <davidbakin> wait, setting up CI for a fork is easy?  where can I find a step-by-step?
1942022-05-27T15:17:53  <_aj_> davidbakin: you just enable cirrus-ci for your repo
1952022-05-27T15:18:25  <_aj_> okay, that's not enough for the previous-releases test
1962022-05-27T15:19:46  <davidbakin> no i'm just interested in testing my own code before making a PR so that's ok
1972022-05-27T15:20:10  <davidbakin> i just get myself a cirrus-ci account I guess?  (preferably free?)
1982022-05-27T15:20:19  <_aj_> free for public repos
1992022-05-27T15:21:05  <davidbakin> huh.  i just want to be able to, for example, pass lint and win64 on my own rather than wait for bitcoin/bitcoin to find it in my PR.  thanks!
2002022-05-27T15:21:24  <jamesob> _aj_: yep, that's right
2012022-05-27T15:21:50  <davidbakin> (w.r.t. win64: I've been bit just recently by the standard annoying windows dev bugaboo of defining an enum value to be FALSE only to have it conflict with a win32 sdk macro FALSE ...)
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2032022-05-27T15:33:34  <_aj_> "macro FALSE" sounds like drahtbot's next fake id
2042022-05-27T15:34:08  <sipa> MacroFake
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2082022-05-27T16:07:59  <fanquake> davidbakin: you can just run the scripts locally, in the exact same many as the ci: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/ci
2092022-05-27T16:08:04  <fanquake> *manner
2102022-05-27T16:17:02  <davidbakin> yes i've been meaning to try that for the lint run, also tidy, also ASAN & MSAN, but it won't work for win64.  So I'm glad to know about setting up cirrus-ci. (I haven't had any issues with ARM/Android/Mac ... yet ...)  (Huh, I just looked at a recent random PR and the memory consumption for ASAN & MSAN are both _much_ lower than I expected.  I guess it is within my capabilities to
2112022-05-27T16:17:02  <davidbakin> run them.)
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2242022-05-27T17:51:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #25228: test: add BIP-125 rule 5 testcase with default mempool (master...2022-05-bip125-rule5-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25228
2252022-05-27T17:52:38  <jamesob> sdaftuar _aj_: ^
2262022-05-27T17:52:55  <jamesob> man I keep typing _aja_; too much Steely Dan in my subconscious
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2522022-05-27T21:15:46  <willcl_ark> Is there a specific policy on what gets backported?
2532022-05-27T21:16:57  <sipa> bugs
2542022-05-27T21:17:01  <sipa> and softforks, if need be
2552022-05-27T21:17:25  <_aj_> sipa: i vote we try to backport the fixes, not the bugs
2562022-05-27T21:17:51  <sipa> I vote to follow _aj_'s suggestions.
2572022-05-27T21:19:25  <willcl_ark> Ok thanks. Is there any height bar for bugs, or is it just if they're deemed sufficiently inconvenient/bad?
2582022-05-27T21:20:03  <sipa> There are occasionally examples where it's debatable, but usually it's pretty clear when a commit/PR is fixing an issue vs. introducing a feature.
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2612022-05-27T21:21:31  <willcl_ark> Ok thanks. And finally, if I was to make a fix on master, I'm not obligated to also provide an equivalent backport too am I? I think I've just seen those PRs get a new label assigned...
2622022-05-27T21:22:34  <willcl_ark> perhaps obligated is too strong, would good etiquette be to also provide a backport?
2632022-05-27T21:22:51  <sipa> Generally maintainers will do the backporting for you. Unless it's particularly nasty to do so, in which case either it may be decided not to backport it (depending on severity), or a backport-specific bugfix could be developed by the author of the fix.
2642022-05-27T21:23:15  <willcl_ark> Makes sense. Thanks for the insight
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