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 482022-07-20T05:51:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5560682a4464...0897b189e424
 492022-07-20T05:51:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3b91d4b Russell Yanofsky: refactor: Reduce number of LoadChainstate parameters
 502022-07-20T05:51:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3e7de7 Russell Yanofsky: refactor: Reduce number of LoadChainstate return values
 512022-07-20T05:51:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6db6552 Ryan Ofsky: refactor: Reduce number of SanityChecks return values
 522022-07-20T05:51:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25308: refactor: Reduce number of LoadChainstate parameters and return values (master...pr/retcode) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25308
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 612022-07-20T07:55:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] S3RK opened pull request #25647: wallet: return change from SelectionResult (master...coin_selection_get_change) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25647
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 682022-07-20T08:32:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6666803 MacroFake: streams: Add AutoFile without ser-type and ser-version
 692022-07-20T08:32:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master facc2fa MacroFake: Use AutoFile where possible
 702022-07-20T08:32:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 895937e fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25285: Add AutoFile without ser-type and ser-version...
 712022-07-20T08:32:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #25285: Add AutoFile without ser-type and ser-version and use it where possible (master...2206-autofile-🌟) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25285
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 732022-07-20T08:37:37  <fanquake> Google signaling it's abandonment of leveldb: https://github.com/google/leveldb/commit/7b650f85de0b785596cc145a3dd28a54cb73bb50
 742022-07-20T08:38:06  <fanquake> I think the likelyhood of us getting PRs merged upstream is approaching zero
 752022-07-20T08:41:48  <_aj_> yay google
 762022-07-20T08:44:06  <laanwj> assuming we don't want to look for a replacement, may be another thing to fuse and dissolve over time like univalue
 772022-07-20T08:46:30  <laanwj> at some point we experimented using sqlite for the utxo db and it was noticably slower (especially updates), also it may be risky from a consensus point of view to switch it
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1122022-07-20T11:55:46  <jonatack> noticed that CI tasks that time out are now signaled as "neutral" rather than failing, nice
1132022-07-20T12:12:13  <vasild> I guess a custom in-house replacement of leveldb can be created that is both faster and smaller (src/leveldb is 30k lines)
1142022-07-20T12:12:32  <sipa> I very much doubt that.
1152022-07-20T12:12:37  <fanquake> yea very unlikely
1162022-07-20T12:13:17  <vasild> That is a provocation!
1172022-07-20T12:13:40  <vasild> but anyway, maintenance cost will be much higher than present which is close to zero
1182022-07-20T12:13:42  <sipa> Creating something functional is one thing, but having it work reliably on many platforms is one challenge, and just gaining enough confidence that it works would be one hell of a job.
1192022-07-20T12:14:28  <sipa> RocksDB is still being maintained.
1202022-07-20T12:14:30  <vasild> true
1212022-07-20T12:14:31  <sipa> Which started as a fork of LevelDB.
1222022-07-20T12:15:44  <vasild> IMO maintenace cost trumps speed, unless the in-house one is times faster, but I guess that is not likely
1232022-07-20T12:17:26  <fanquake> Maybe first figure out if leveldb is "slow", before worrying about writing something in house that is "faster"
1242022-07-20T12:18:43  <TheCharlatan> laanwj didn't you do benchmarks with lmdb as well? IIRC leveldb was faster in those.
1252022-07-20T12:19:05  <sipa> IIRC we benchmarked sqlite at some point, which is enormously slower.
1262022-07-20T12:19:32  <sipa> lmdb we discarded as an option as it only realistically worked on 64-bit systems IIRC
1272022-07-20T12:20:02  <_aj_> on disk format is platform dependent, apparently?
1282022-07-20T12:20:14  <sipa> Right; that too.
1292022-07-20T12:21:14  <TheCharlatan> it was discussed here for the wallet db format: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18916#issuecomment-670132247
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1322022-07-20T12:31:29  <sipa> The benchmarking with other database layers for the chainstate was much earlier... maybe 2015-2016 somewhere.
1332022-07-20T12:31:34  <_aj_> rocksdb doesn't sound terrible?
1342022-07-20T12:31:50  <josie[m]> fwiw, i have noticed rocksDB popping up in a lot of other open source projects. seems to be gaining adoption
1352022-07-20T12:32:22  <_aj_> https://pastebin.com/raw/evx62gak was jonasschnelli's reindex test for lmdb with laanwj's patches i think?
1362022-07-20T12:32:37  <sipa> I'd need to look into it, but it being a fork of LevelDB, with a number of improvements over it, and actively maintained it seems, may make most sense.
1372022-07-20T12:35:09  <vasild> +1 and probably easiest to transition to, I guess, if it has same or similar api
1382022-07-20T12:37:14  <TheCharlatan> _aj_ yes, that was the one I was looking for.
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1402022-07-20T12:39:12  <vasild> what is the downside of having the db library as an external dependency instead of in src/? We cannot patch it (do we need to)? Users have to install it separately? Is that really a problem if it is something like "apt install rocksdb"? they already have to install other stuff too, e.g. sqlite
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1422022-07-20T12:41:55  <sipa> It depends on the use case, but for LevelDB I think there are two main ones: (a) we have our own fork of LevelDB already with a few patches (for a while this was needed to get windows support, though that later changed), and (b) the UTXO database is so consensus critical that if a bug were to be found in it, we may be forced to perpetuate the bug (until it can be changed through a coordinated consensus rule change)
1432022-07-20T12:46:47  <vasild> (b)
1442022-07-20T12:48:58  <josie[m]> iinm, doesn't electrs use rocksdb? might be worth asking if they have any complaints with it. im sure the use cases for the db are very different, but there could be some overlap and some insights from them
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1472022-07-20T12:57:16  <sipa> Also... it doesn't look like LevelDB is dead.
1482022-07-20T12:57:50  <sipa> Just a "critical maintenance only" state, which probably doesn't predict much good for its long-term future, but on the other hand... it does just work.
1492022-07-20T12:59:08  <fanquake> Yea, and we've patched a few things we need in our subtree already, like c++20 support
1502022-07-20T12:59:38  <fanquake> I cannot imagine we're ever going to end up in a state were users apt install leveldb/rocks/db/whatever
1512022-07-20T12:59:55  <fanquake> That sounds terrible.
1522022-07-20T13:00:41  <sipa> fanquake vasild There is also a big difference between subtree vs compile-time dependency on the one hand, and compiled-in vs runtime dependency on the other hand.
1532022-07-20T13:00:56  <sipa> I have the impression we're conflating them.
1542022-07-20T13:01:14  <sipa> sqlite is a compile-time dependency but not a runtime dependency
1552022-07-20T13:01:48  <fanquake> sqlite is also not required to use bitcoind
1562022-07-20T13:01:57  <_aj_> sipa: ? my bitcoind is dynamically linked to libsqlite3.so.0?
1572022-07-20T13:02:27  <Earnestly> (If users were able to install leveldb/rock/db/whatever it would imply that bitcoin-core has matured enough to decouple the db from consensus
1582022-07-20T13:02:32  <fanquake> if anything i hope we continue to reduce the runtime dependencies in our release binaries
1592022-07-20T13:02:34  <sipa> _aj_: Oh, only in release build then I guess.
1602022-07-20T13:02:44  <_aj_> sipa: ah, sure
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1632022-07-20T13:11:47  <vasild> sipa: I was talking about subtree vs compile-time dependency. That is - not include it in our source code, but ask users to have it installed separtely (like sqlite) then it can be dynamically linked, meaning it is needed at runtime too or statically linked, meaning no need to have an external libfoodb.so all the time. But I think (b) just means it is best to have it in a subtree
1642022-07-20T13:12:42  <vasild> well, actually subtree library can also be statically or dynamically linked
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1662022-07-20T13:25:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #25648: refactor: Remove ::fRequireStandard global (master...2207-burn-globals-🛶) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25648
1672022-07-20T13:29:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Chres-SC opened pull request #25649: Src crypto (master...src_crypto) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25649
1682022-07-20T13:29:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #25649: Src crypto (master...src_crypto) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25649
1692022-07-20T13:30:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/895937edb2cc...1eedde157f2e
1702022-07-20T13:30:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa32b1b MacroFake: refactor: Use chainman() helper consistently in ChainImpl
1712022-07-20T13:30:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1eedde1 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25638: refactor: Use chainman() helper consistently ...
1722022-07-20T13:31:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25638: refactor: Use chainman() helper consistently in ChainImpl (master...2207-chainman-🕉) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25638
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1792022-07-20T13:52:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 9 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1eedde157f2e...5c82ca3365f6
1802022-07-20T13:52:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cc7b2fd fanquake: refactor: move compat.h into compat/
1812022-07-20T13:52:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7c3df5e fanquake: compat: document FD_SETSIZE redefinition for WIN32
1822022-07-20T13:52:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b63ddb7 fanquake: compat: remove unused WSA* definitions
1832022-07-20T13:52:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #25493: compat: document code in compat.h (master...document_compat_code) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25493
1842022-07-20T14:00:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] josibake opened pull request #25650: script: default to necessary tags in `test/get_previous_releases.py` (master...josibake-update-get-previous-releases-script) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25650
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1952022-07-20T16:15:04  <josie[m]> is there any special steps that need to be taken when making a ci change in a PR, mixed with other changes? or is it better to have them as separate PRs ?
1962022-07-20T16:21:44  <josie[m]> s/is there/are there/
1972022-07-20T16:31:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #25651: refactor: make ChainImpl::m_node data member private (master...make-ChainImpl-m_node-data-member-private) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25651
1982022-07-20T16:32:06  <sipa> josie ⚡️: I'd say separate commits (which ideally all pass CI individually), but within the same PR.
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2012022-07-20T16:34:42  <sipa> (assuming it's related at all, of course)
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2032022-07-20T16:42:16  <josie[m]> Pieter: cool, thx!
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2062022-07-20T17:18:26  <kanzure> openssl has removed ripemd160? https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib/pull/276
2072022-07-20T17:18:41  <kanzure> s/removed/moved to a non-default configuration
2082022-07-20T17:18:54  <sipa> yes
2092022-07-20T17:19:53  <sipa> lol, that PR copies the "embit" pure python implementation, which is apparently copied from the one I wrote for Bitcoin Corr.
2102022-07-20T17:19:57  <sipa> full circle
2112022-07-20T17:21:49  <kanzure> sounds like an ACK to me!
2122022-07-20T17:24:34  <sipa> They seem to have remove the warning not to use it for anything but testing..m
2132022-07-20T17:25:48  <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/test/functional/test_framework/ripemd160.py
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2232022-07-20T20:47:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5c82ca3365f6...d67f89bd9577
2242022-07-20T20:47:06  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 597a4b3 Sebastian Falbesoner: scripted-diff: rename `FromBinary` helper to `from_binary` (signet miner)
2252022-07-20T20:47:06  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7c0dfec Sebastian Falbesoner: refactor: move `from_binary` helper from signet miner to test framework
2262022-07-20T20:47:07  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1b035c0 Sebastian Falbesoner: refactor: move PSBT(Map) helpers from signet miner to test framework
2272022-07-20T20:47:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #25625: test: add test for decoding PSBT with per-input preimage types (master...202207-test-add_more_decodepsbt_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25625
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2342022-07-20T20:59:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 8 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d67f89bd9577...d1e42659bbdd
2352022-07-20T21:00:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master da8f62d furszy: wallet: remove always true 'fUseCache' from CachedTxGetImmatureCredit
2362022-07-20T21:00:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 47b1012 furszy: wallet: remove always true 'fUseCache' from CachedTxGetImmatureWatchOnlyCr...
2372022-07-20T21:00:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4f0ca9b furszy: wallet: remove always false 'recalculate' arg from GetCachableAmount
2382022-07-20T21:00:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #25543: wallet: cleanup cached amount and input mine check code (master...2022_wallet_cleanup_1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25543
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2452022-07-20T21:51:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] real-or-random opened pull request #25655: build: remove left-over pkgconfig vars in config.site.in (master...202207-pkgconfig-leftovers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25655
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2552022-07-20T22:16:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #25656: refactor: wallet: return BResult from `GetReservedDestination` methods (master...202207-refactor-wallet_use_bresult_for_getreserveddestination) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25656
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2572022-07-20T22:20:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] real-or-random closed pull request #25655: build: remove left-over pkgconfig vars in config.site.in (master...202207-pkgconfig-leftovers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25655
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