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282022-11-10T01:43:20 <harding> Note that I've added a warning to the 0.24 draft release notes about the possible effects of the `mempoolfullrbf` option based on text I previously wrote for #26287 and updated for #26456 . https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/24.0-Release-Notes-draft/_compare/7b7aeca216f3fd19d54b0b6b7f30d93137df95f2...1c1f17b778174724b4132288b815b11ae36c8d37
292022-11-10T01:43:22 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26287 | Temporarily disable -mempoolfullrbf for the main chain by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #26287 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
302022-11-10T01:43:23 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26456 | [24.x] Remove mempoolfullrbf option by achow101 · Pull Request #26456 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
312022-11-10T01:43:35 <harding> I'm happy to help make edits based on constructive feedback but I don't plan to participate in any arguments or edit warring about it, and it's obviously ok if y'all decide to just remove the whole thing.
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1452022-11-10T09:18:36 <fanquake> To github.com:bitcoin-core/bitcoin-detached-sigs.git
1462022-11-10T09:18:38 <fanquake> * [new tag] v24.0rc4 -> v24.0rc4
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1492022-11-10T09:29:44 <fanquake> * [new tag] v23.1rc1 -> v23.1rc1
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1602022-11-10T10:54:14 <hebasto> UPD. CMake-based build system integrated with 6 of 16 CI task for now -- https://cirrus-ci.com/build/5620151671324672. It's nice to see how CMake provides compile database building out-of-the box :)
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1872022-11-10T13:16:34 <sipa> @hebasto Nice!
1882022-11-10T13:16:54 <hebasto> sipa: ty
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2022022-11-10T14:33:34 <sipa> @harding Nice writeup.
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2052022-11-10T14:37:03 <harding> sipa: thanks!
2062022-11-10T14:37:33 <instagibbs> harding, I'd try and not bury the lede that default is status quo
2072022-11-10T14:37:43 <instagibbs> text looks good otherwise
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2192022-11-10T15:38:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #26480: test: Remove wallet option from non-wallet tests (master...2211-test-wallet-options-ð£) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26480
2202022-11-10T15:40:01 <darosior> Text looks good to me too
2212022-11-10T15:59:03 <stevenroose> Does anyone maintain a guix channel with packages for all different versions of bitcoind? Or even just the latest which tagged commits to place make inferiors for specific versions?
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2252022-11-10T16:05:07 <lightlike> harding: Agree with the text, I find the wording "Notice of policy change" too strong - I would have expected a change in the default policy just from reading the heading, not an option that is off per default.
2262022-11-10T16:06:28 <harding> instagibbs, lightlike: good feedback, thanks, working on an edit.
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2342022-11-10T16:28:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #26481: bench: Suppress output when running with `-sanity-check` option (master...221110-bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26481
2352022-11-10T16:31:26 <harding> instagibbs, lightlike: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/24.0-Release-Notes-draft/_compare/1c1f17b778174724b4132288b815b11ae36c8d37...6985a7730310c364b075ccfb9c71b2242556779a (I have a meeting, I'll be back in a few hours if there are any other suggestions)
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2442022-11-10T16:42:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #26482: ci: Drop redundant configuration options (master...221110-ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26482
2452022-11-10T16:50:51 <fanquake> jamesob instagibbs: in no ways thin, but there you go https://github.com/fanquake/core-review/blob/master/docker/lint.dockerfile
2462022-11-10T16:51:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #26483: test: Don't pass add_to_wallet option to walletcreatefundedpsbt (master...pr/realopt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26483
2472022-11-10T16:51:08 <fanquake> Build the image. Run with your WIP bitcoin dir mounted. run linter with same script / deps as CI
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2502022-11-10T16:51:42 <fanquake> all hardcoded and horrible atm, but it also just works, and ideally wouldn't change often
2512022-11-10T16:52:49 <instagibbs> I meant thin as in "doesn't do much but mitigate this developer headache" :)
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2532022-11-10T16:54:33 <fanquake> in that case this is thin yes
2542022-11-10T16:54:40 <halosghost> if the CI supports the linter step, would a tool like act function to allow local running easily? (https://github.com/nektos/act)
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2562022-11-10T16:55:04 <fanquake> you can already run the ci locally easily
2572022-11-10T16:55:23 <fanquake> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/ci
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2612022-11-10T16:57:01 <fanquake> although the CI lint job is somewhat the exception, and doesn't have a direct ci/test/setup_env script
2622022-11-10T16:57:08 <halosghost> I guess I'm misunderstanding what the headache is then âº
2632022-11-10T16:57:15 <halosghost> ahh
2642022-11-10T16:57:18 <halosghost> gotcha
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2662022-11-10T16:58:44 <fanquake> having a dedicated image like this, that can be trivially spun up / down, with less overhead than the regular ci scripts is also likely useful
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2682022-11-10T16:59:47 <instagibbs> subtle version differences mean locally reproducing what CI will complain about is harder
2692022-11-10T16:59:55 <instagibbs> can mean*
2702022-11-10T17:00:58 <fanquake> Yea, and having an env that mimics the CI, means we can avoid changes that basically just refactor for the sake of squelling warnings coming from some updated dep that arbitrarily changed something
2712022-11-10T17:01:19 <halosghost> that's what I use act for âº
2722022-11-10T17:01:39 <fanquake> we don't use github actions
2732022-11-10T17:01:54 <halosghost> then it's kind of an immaterial suggestion with no value
2742022-11-10T17:01:57 <halosghost> nevermind âº
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2772022-11-10T17:12:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #19181: Add ASM optimizations for MuHash3072 (master...csi-4-muhash-asm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19181
2782022-11-10T17:12:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #19078: test: Add salvage test for wallet tool (master...2005-testWalletToolSalvage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19078
2792022-11-10T17:12:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #19420: http: Track active requests and wait for last to finish (master...2020-06-track-requests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19420
2802022-11-10T17:12:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #23352: test: Extend stale_tip_peer_management test (master...2110-testDos) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23352
2812022-11-10T17:13:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #24122: refactor: replace RecursiveMutex `cs_vProcessMsg` with Mutex (and rename) (master...202201-refactor_replace_RecursiveMutex_cs_vProcess) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24122
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2832022-11-10T17:13:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #24150: refactor: move index class members from protected to private (master...move-index-class-members-from-protected-to-private) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24150
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2852022-11-10T17:13:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #24199: Add cs_main annotation to WriteBatchSync(), drop lock in CDiskBlockIndex (master...remove-cs_main-lock-in-CDiskBlockIndex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24199
2862022-11-10T17:14:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #24827: net: Fix undefined behavior in socket address handling (master...fix_sock_ub) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24827
2872022-11-10T17:14:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #25039: lint: convert git-subtree-check.sh to Python (master...convert_git_subtree_check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25039
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2892022-11-10T17:15:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #24952: rpc: Add sqlite format option for dumptxoutset (master...2022-04-sqlite-dumptxoutset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24952
2902022-11-10T17:15:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #25659: wallet: simplify ListCoins implementation (master...2022_wallet_clean_listCoins) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25659
2912022-11-10T17:16:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #25097: test: Unit tests for taproot/tapscript coverage in `interpreter.cpp` (master...23279-taproot-unit-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25097
2922022-11-10T17:19:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 reopened pull request #24150: refactor: move index class members from protected to private (master...move-index-class-members-from-protected-to-private) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24150
2932022-11-10T17:20:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke reopened pull request #24199: Add cs_main annotation to WriteBatchSync(), drop lock in CDiskBlockIndex (master...remove-cs_main-lock-in-CDiskBlockIndex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24199
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3042022-11-10T17:41:02 <instagibbs> harding, LGTM
3052022-11-10T17:42:35 <lightlike> same, thanks!
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3192022-11-10T18:13:38 <glozow> harding: thank you for the writeup, lgtm
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3292022-11-10T18:32:50 <luke-jr> "zero conf" is a dishonest propaganda term. NACK using it.
3302022-11-10T18:32:56 <luke-jr> and why is the wiki non-editableâ
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3332022-11-10T18:41:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #26485: RPC: Add support for name-only parameters (master...pr/nonly) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26485
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3442022-11-10T18:58:08 <achow101> luke-jr: to prevent spam/vandalism, but frequent contributors should be able to edit it
3452022-11-10T18:59:18 <laanwj> it should be editable by org members
3462022-11-10T19:00:31 <luke-jr> apparently not
3472022-11-10T19:00:46 <lightlike> maybe the issue is that you have to go the actual wiki page (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/24.0-Release-Notes-draft) - the difflinks given above don't have an edit button
3482022-11-10T19:00:54 <laanwj> #startmeeting
3492022-11-10T19:01:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o core-meetingbot
3502022-11-10T19:01:22 <luke-jr> lightlike: right, I tried that - no edit button there either
3512022-11-10T19:02:00 <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard b10c BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo
3522022-11-10T19:02:02 <laanwj> moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
3532022-11-10T19:02:06 <kanzure> hi
3542022-11-10T19:02:08 <laanwj> welcome to the weekly bitcoin-core-dev meeting
3552022-11-10T19:02:13 <brunoerg> hi
3562022-11-10T19:02:14 <sipsorcery> hi
3572022-11-10T19:02:33 <achow101> hi
3582022-11-10T19:02:34 <laanwj> i don't see any topics proposed in advance -- any last minute ones?
3592022-11-10T19:02:57 <glozow> hi
3602022-11-10T19:03:06 <laanwj> hi
3612022-11-10T19:03:14 <sipa> hi
3622022-11-10T19:03:16 <jarolrod> Hi
3632022-11-10T19:03:42 <luke-jr> achow101: looks like I'm not part of the "frequent contributors" team
3642022-11-10T19:04:33 <laanwj> let's start with high priority for review as usual
3652022-11-10T19:04:39 <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
3662022-11-10T19:04:39 <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
3672022-11-10T19:05:12 <laanwj> luke-jr: ok, weird, you definitely belong in there
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3692022-11-10T19:05:27 <jonatack> hi
3702022-11-10T19:05:30 <luke-jr> laanwj: perhaps an oversight between the two repos
3712022-11-10T19:05:42 <luke-jr> I remember being in it, but it might have been on 'bitcoin' rather than 'bitcoin-core'
3722022-11-10T19:05:43 <laanwj> https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/1 8 blockers, 3 chasing concept ACK at the moment
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3742022-11-10T19:05:48 <laanwj> luke-jr: likely!
3752022-11-10T19:05:51 <achow101> luke-jr: looks like you are in bitcoin but not in bitcoin-core. I'm suruprised it took us this long to notice
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3772022-11-10T19:06:14 <achow101> someone with owner permissions will need to add you
3782022-11-10T19:06:33 <laanwj> anything to add / remove from the list?
3792022-11-10T19:07:17 <lightlike> #25600 was closed and can be removed from "chasing concept ack"
3802022-11-10T19:07:20 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25600 | p2p: Advertise `NODE_FULL_RBF` and connect to 4 outbound full-rbf peers if `-mempoolfullrbf` is set by ariard · Pull Request #25600 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3812022-11-10T19:07:24 <luke-jr> laanwj: I just rebased/addressed #22693 which seems like there's interest in sooner rather than later
3822022-11-10T19:07:28 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22693 | RPC/Wallet: Add "use_txids" to output of getaddressinfo by luke-jr · Pull Request #22693 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3832022-11-10T19:07:49 <laanwj> lightlike: removed
3842022-11-10T19:07:57 <luke-jr> I don't recall which PR I had in there before, but might as well put this in for now
3852022-11-10T19:08:40 <laanwj> luke-jr: added
3862022-11-10T19:10:51 <laanwj> anything else? any other topics for today?
3872022-11-10T19:11:59 <laanwj> if not, let's close the meeting early
3882022-11-10T19:12:21 <laanwj> #endmeeting
3892022-11-10T19:12:21 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
3902022-11-10T19:12:21 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 19:12:21 2022 UTC.
3912022-11-10T19:12:21 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-11-10-19.00.moin.txt
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4102022-11-10T19:48:58 <luke-jr> made various corrections ot the RBF release notes, including removing the "zero conf" propaganda term
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4122022-11-10T19:50:38 <luke-jr> noteworthy the recommendation at the end is also changed such that it first suggests simply not accepting unconfirmed transactions at all
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4142022-11-10T19:52:14 <luke-jr> though on further thought, that may be too absolute and need some language changes, since merchants typically do accept unconfirmed (eg) credit card transactions and such
4152022-11-10T19:52:54 <sipa> I don't understand what the issue is with zeroconf, and I don't think first-seen is the same thing (I'd associate zeroconf with the business practice of considering a transaction accepted at zero confirmations, while I'd associate first-seen with the node relay policy of not replacing anything)
4162022-11-10T19:53:29 <instagibbs> if you don't like the term, the polite thing to do is add "so-called" so readers who use the term understand what you're talking about
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4182022-11-10T19:54:32 <NorrinRadd> yeah i don't think there's anything "propaganda" about it
4192022-11-10T19:55:03 <sipa> Right, to me it has a pretty negative connotation even
4202022-11-10T19:55:46 <sipa> Calling it "instant payments" or so would be propaganda.
4212022-11-10T19:59:39 <luke-jr> it's not confirmed, "zero conf" implies it is
4222022-11-10T19:59:55 <sipa> I don't understand.
4232022-11-10T20:00:10 <sipa> zero confirmation literally means no confirmations.
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4262022-11-10T20:01:00 <luke-jr> no, it means confirmation with zero blocks
4272022-11-10T20:01:32 <sipa> Huh, I'd never even consider interpreting it that way.
4282022-11-10T20:01:49 <sipa> Nor have I ever seen anyone doing so.
4292022-11-10T20:02:08 <luke-jr> just like "1 conf" is confirmation with 1 block
4302022-11-10T20:02:14 <NorrinRadd> agree with sipa. the apple dns protocol, zero conf, equally means zero configuration. because it'd work with no dns server & not require manually setting IP settings; names could resolve also
4312022-11-10T20:02:41 <sipa> I don't mind saying "so-called zeroconf" or so, but I think your changes to the writeup made it substantially less clear.
4322022-11-10T20:02:55 <brunoerg> seems weird for me luke's interpretation, never heard about it before
4332022-11-10T20:03:38 <luke-jr> also, discussing merchants' bad practices really doesn't belong in this doc at all IMO
4342022-11-10T20:04:00 <luke-jr> they're bad and unsafe regardless of full RBF
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4372022-11-10T20:14:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9dce30194bc0...7ef730ca84bd
4382022-11-10T20:14:47 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 737c285 Ryan Ofsky: test: Don't pass add_to_wallet option to walletcreatefundedpsbt
4392022-11-10T20:14:47 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7ef730c Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26483: test: Don't pass add_to_wallet option to wall...
4402022-11-10T20:14:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #26483: test: Don't pass add_to_wallet option to walletcreatefundedpsbt (master...pr/realopt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26483
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4532022-11-10T20:57:38 <harding> FWIW, I updated my personal gist for the draft release note about mempoolfullrbf to use the text from before luke-jr's edits plus the addition of "so-called" before "zero conf". https://gist.github.com/harding/f3cd8affb10cea96d352347fed7f4a3a
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4732022-11-10T22:21:46 <luke-jr> harding: so you expressly prefer to include falsehoods?
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4762022-11-10T22:28:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #26486: Batch send NOTFOUND messages (master...202211_batchnotfound) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26486
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4802022-11-10T22:38:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdulfari opened pull request #26487: log: improve some validation log messages to include hashPrevBlock (master...hash-prev-blk-error-msg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26487
4812022-11-10T22:55:34 <harding> luke-jr: I have no clue what you're talking about.
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4832022-11-10T22:58:30 <luke-jr> harding: that's what you seem to imply by going back to a version before corrections were made
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4892022-11-10T23:11:24 <harding> luke-jr: I didn't see a correction, just an opinionated edit. I have an opinion too, and it favored the previous text. However, since your only specific complaint here was about "zero conf" being a propaganda term, I implemented the suggestion from two other people here to precede it by "so-called". If you have other constructive feedback, I'd be happy to try to address it on my gist.
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4912022-11-10T23:12:20 <luke-jr> if my edit involved opinion, it was the removal of it
4922022-11-10T23:12:36 <luke-jr> release notes aren't a place to push your (incorrect) "opinions" about the effects of policies
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4942022-11-10T23:20:34 <harding> luke-jr: I didn't say that my draft contained my opinions about the effects of policies. I said that, in my opinion, I favored the previous text.
4952022-11-10T23:21:02 <luke-jr> the previous text contained factual errors which I corrected
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4972022-11-10T23:26:16 <luke-jr> the way wikis typically work is that if you think it can be further improved, you edit it further. not fork an older version with errors
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5082022-11-10T23:40:15 <sipa> @[luke-jr] I find your version worse than @harding's, for two reasons (1) avoiding the term zeroconf - imo the accepted term for a certain practice - in favor of a term whose understood meaning is very different, and (2) calling a certain subset of users incompetent.
5092022-11-10T23:40:20 <harding> luke-jr: again, I don't see any errors in the older version nor any corrections in your version. One of the other typical ways wikis work is that, when two editors cannot agree on a way to intergate their differing edits, they allow other editors to take over and help resolve the disagreement. That's what I've attempted to do by externally providing my alternative version. If other members of this project decide to use it or to find a
5102022-11-10T23:40:20 <harding> compromise, great! If not, at least I know I tried my best to notify users about the potential consequences of the current change and potential future changes in this direction.
5112022-11-10T23:40:51 <sipa> In addition, I don't understand what specifically you object to, apart from finding the term zeroconf misleading (that's fine, we can address that by calling it so-called zeroconf).
5122022-11-10T23:41:52 <sipa> It would be more constructive to discuss alternatives than to flat-out say that someone else's version is wrong.
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5172022-11-10T23:53:39 <PaperSword> Is the max value the RPC can accept for a block height a int32_t? as per 928 src/rest.cpp?
5182022-11-10T23:54:13 <PaperSword> Sorry if that was a double, got an error from irssi