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542023-02-24T09:03:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1258af40c0d3...cb25c21921c7
552023-02-24T09:03:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e846269 Andrew Chow: util: Remove duplicate include
562023-02-24T09:03:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cb25c21 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27151: util: Remove duplicate include
572023-02-24T09:03:39 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27151: util: Remove duplicate include (master...2023-02-rm-extra-include) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27151
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702023-02-24T10:01:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #27153: guix: pass `--enable-initfini-array` to release GCC (master...guix_gcc_init_fini_array) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27153
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732023-02-24T10:38:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cb25c21921c7...6758bd7de75d
742023-02-24T10:38:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab17f0 MarcoFalke: Revert "[contrib] verify-commits: Add MarcoFalke fingerprint"
752023-02-24T10:38:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6758bd7 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27135: Remove MarcoFalke fingerprint, update trusted...
762023-02-24T10:38:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #27135: Remove MarcoFalke fingerprint, update trusted-git-root (master...2302-revert-a-commit-ð») https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27135
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1052023-02-24T12:18:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #27154: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in developer docs (master...sanitizers_dev_notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27154
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1192023-02-24T13:58:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6758bd7de75d...be2e748f378f
1202023-02-24T13:58:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 84ca5b3 fanquake: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in developer docs
1212023-02-24T13:58:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master be2e748 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27154: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in develo...
1222023-02-24T13:58:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #27154: doc: mention sanitizer suppressions in developer docs (master...sanitizers_dev_notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27154
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1262023-02-24T15:29:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #27155: Expand scantxoutset help text to cover tr() and miniscript (master...scantxoutset_tr_ms) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27155
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1592023-02-24T19:01:16 <achow101> #startmeeting
1602023-02-24T19:01:17 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Fri Feb 24 19:01:16 2023 UTC. The chair is achow101. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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1622023-02-24T19:01:22 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack vasild
1632023-02-24T19:01:28 <S3RK> hi
1642023-02-24T19:01:31 <instagibbs> hi
1652023-02-24T19:01:51 <furszy> hi
1662023-02-24T19:02:07 <achow101> there is one preproposed wallet meeting topic this week
1672023-02-24T19:02:12 <achow101> any others to add to the list?
1682023-02-24T19:02:50 <achow101> #topic blank wallet flag, how to differentiate blank and newly created wallets (S3RK)
1692023-02-24T19:02:50 <core-meetingbot> topic: blank wallet flag, how to differentiate blank and newly created wallets (S3RK)
1702023-02-24T19:03:10 <S3RK> yep, so that's about #25634
1712023-02-24T19:03:12 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25634 | wallet, tests: Expand and test when the blank wallet flag should be un/set by achow101 · Pull Request #25634 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1722023-02-24T19:03:16 <provoostenator> Hi
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1742023-02-24T19:04:17 <provoostenator> Also about wallets with a seed but no descriptors?
1752023-02-24T19:04:20 <S3RK> We want to be able to tell apart when user wants a wallet without descriptors to import stuff manually and just newly created wallet
1762023-02-24T19:04:27 <provoostenator> (Which is useful when setting up multisig)
1772023-02-24T19:04:47 <S3RK> so that's a third case I guess
1782023-02-24T19:04:54 <achow101> also blank is used for born encrypted wallets
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1802023-02-24T19:05:34 <S3RK> achow101 can you expand on that. Why the flag is required in that case?
1812023-02-24T19:06:11 <achow101> we use it to skip the normal setup stuff for new wallets so that the caller of CWallet::Create can encrypt the wallet and then generate the new descriptors
1822023-02-24T19:06:51 <provoostenator> Sounds like that can be avoided with a lock during creation though, as far as the external interface is concerned.
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1842023-02-24T19:07:04 <achow101> it's basically just the steps of 'createwallet blank=true' then 'encryptwallet'
1852023-02-24T19:07:16 <provoostenator> Oh ok, manually
1862023-02-24T19:07:33 <achow101> those are the manual steps, which we are just doing internally
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1882023-02-24T19:08:16 <S3RK> I think permanent flag is not needed in this caes
1892023-02-24T19:08:25 <S3RK> and it could be solved by passing some params
1902023-02-24T19:08:37 <provoostenator> I guess it doesn't matter to me if a wallet without descriptors is considered blank or not.
1912023-02-24T19:08:41 <provoostenator> As long as it work.
1922023-02-24T19:08:42 <provoostenator> s
1932023-02-24T19:09:08 <provoostenator> * a wallet with private keys but without descriptors
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1952023-02-24T19:09:27 <achow101> the problem is that our wallet creation and loading code is the same
1962023-02-24T19:09:38 <S3RK> we want to know if the wallet descriptors shoudl be manually managed by the user or automatically by the wallet software
1972023-02-24T19:09:47 <S3RK> and blank flag is the closest we have today
1982023-02-24T19:09:54 <achow101> so we could load a blank wallet and think it's a newly created one, that's why the blank flag was added
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2002023-02-24T19:10:34 <provoostenator> What is there to "manage" other than at creation time to add the descriptors?
2012023-02-24T19:10:56 <achow101> whether to add descriptor when encrypting
2022023-02-24T19:10:59 <S3RK> besides thatn we have rotation on encryption
2032023-02-24T19:11:23 <furszy> IIRC, we mostly need the blank flag for backward compatibility
2042023-02-24T19:11:25 <provoostenator> Ah
2052023-02-24T19:11:41 <furszy> moving forward, we could adapt the code so the load flow isn't the same as the creation one
2062023-02-24T19:12:17 <provoostenator> Well, if there's a (helper) method to create a fresh wallet that is encrypted, that method could take care of making sure there are descriptors.
2072023-02-24T19:13:01 <provoostenator> Perhaps depending on whether the user set the blank flag upon creation, though that slightly shifts the meaning of that flag.
2082023-02-24T19:13:37 <achow101> we should probably use a different flag to indicate "this wallet should only have manually set things"
2092023-02-24T19:13:49 <provoostenator> createwallet blank=true encrypted=true would then mean we want a key but no descriptors.
2102023-02-24T19:14:01 <S3RK> achow101: agree
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2122023-02-24T19:14:57 <S3RK> will "manual" wallet have a seed an it? allow to import a seed?
2132023-02-24T19:14:58 <provoostenator> Though then we can't have a user request an encrypted wallet with no keys. So maybe it does need a new argument.
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2152023-02-24T19:15:47 <achow101> S3RK: if a manual wallet did sethdseed, I think so
2162023-02-24T19:16:09 <achow101> but we shouldn't then auto generate things, they would have to use createwalletdescriptor (or whatever I named that rpc)
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2182023-02-24T19:16:55 <achow101> and I'm not sure if that can be supported with legacy wallets
2192023-02-24T19:17:04 <S3RK> so it'll look very similar to "automatic" wallet with one exception of not rotating keys on encryption. Is that correct?
2202023-02-24T19:17:20 <achow101> yes
2212023-02-24T19:17:27 <S3RK> yeah, I'm talking descriptors only for now
2222023-02-24T19:18:36 <S3RK> can we also deprecate blank wallet flag then? We can set it for all wallets for compatiblity reasons, but ignore it in master
2232023-02-24T19:18:49 <achow101> maybe
2242023-02-24T19:19:20 <achow101> we'll probably need to revisit the creation code
2252023-02-24T19:19:47 <achow101> we used to create a new wallet if one specified in -wallet did not already exist
2262023-02-24T19:19:57 <achow101> which is why the loading and creation stuff is tied together
2272023-02-24T19:20:26 <S3RK> got it. I think we can support that use case without having it in one function
2282023-02-24T19:20:30 <achow101> if we get rid of that behavior (which IIRC we have mostly, but something was kept for backwards compatibility), then it shouldn't be an issue
2292023-02-24T19:21:02 <S3RK> we can also just do this: if (!wallet) { create(); } load();
2302023-02-24T19:21:46 <achow101> well right now load has to happen before create because pointer invalidation
2312023-02-24T19:21:54 <achow101> we'd have to be careful there.
2322023-02-24T19:22:11 <achow101> there's a benchmark that does it in the wrong order, and some changes cause it to segfault
2332023-02-24T19:22:11 <S3RK> ok. I'll need to think more about this. Thanks for the food for thoughts.
2342023-02-24T19:23:07 <achow101> any other topics?
2352023-02-24T19:23:18 <S3RK> do we support sethdseed for blank descriptors wallet today?
2362023-02-24T19:23:24 <achow101> no
2372023-02-24T19:23:25 <S3RK> (not a topic, random question)
2382023-02-24T19:24:18 <achow101> #endmeeting
2392023-02-24T19:24:18 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
2402023-02-24T19:24:18 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Fri Feb 24 19:24:18 2023 UTC.
2412023-02-24T19:24:18 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2023/bitcoin-core-dev.2023-02-24-19.01.moin.txt
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2592023-02-24T20:15:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #27157: 25574 followups (VerifyDB error handling) (master...202302_verifydb_followup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27157
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