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1662024-02-04T19:45:47 <PaperSword> Question: Currently I am trying out the new submitpackage to test if a TX is consensus valid. The array size is one TX. I get this response.
1672024-02-04T19:45:47 <PaperSword> package topology disallowed. not child-with-parents or parents depend on each other.
1682024-02-04T19:46:22 <PaperSword> The prevouts are currently mined into a block.
1692024-02-04T19:47:33 <PaperSword> Here is my current RPC command for anyone that would be interested.
1702024-02-04T19:47:33 <PaperSword> ./src/bitcoin-cli submitpackage
1712024-02-04T19:47:33 <PaperSword> '["0100000000010171c895a9e47d160733d343189c89a8f322bc2772d3a05d2371cc7c9defcd043f0100000000ffffffff036fd2a81100000000160014307e69add0f095e3c52f29c7b5bc03bf611c929f0000000000000000160014fc55fae8118f10c5224bb06a21303ca8520558640100000000000000015102483045022100b32e104edc243d3e7b1ac3afe3135187be9dbe79941f6dfc3e770b08f99ed67b022063888d74f7f3e86c3eac78fb25a5f9d927193efa796b1136f4fd7131fefc43010121033db02ee63ce8554d401c3516579792c409b66a847e
1722024-02-04T19:47:33 <PaperSword> 00"]'
1732024-02-04T19:47:33 <PaperSword> testmempoolaccept and send rawtransaction both result in success.
1742024-02-04T19:49:02 <glozow> PaperSword: submitpackage requires at least 2 transactions
1752024-02-04T19:49:28 <glozow> (otherwise it's not really a package)
1762024-02-04T19:52:16 <PaperSword> Hmm, this error I get with an empty array is quite confusing then
1772024-02-04T19:52:16 <PaperSword> ./src/bitcoin-cli submitpackage '[]'
1782024-02-04T19:52:16 <PaperSword> Array must contain between 1 and 25 transactions.
1792024-02-04T19:52:40 <glozow> yeah see #29292
1802024-02-04T19:52:41 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29292 | rpc: improve submitpackage documentation and other improvements by stickies-v · Pull Request #29292 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1812024-02-04T19:52:58 <PaperSword> ^^^ Legend
1822024-02-04T19:53:13 <glozow> (feel free to leave a review)
1832024-02-04T19:53:20 <PaperSword> I will absolutely
1842024-02-04T19:53:22 <PaperSword> TY guys
1852024-02-04T19:53:28 <glozow> thanks!
1862024-02-04T19:53:32 <PaperSword> So here is a larger part of my question.
1872024-02-04T19:54:49 <PaperSword> I am concerned about a TX entering my mempool that is valid mempool policy but not valid consensus and my hashpower (testnet)
1882024-02-04T19:54:49 <PaperSword> How would I validate that TX by not just mempool acceptance but also consensus logic?
1892024-02-04T19:55:10 <PaperSword> Or is this already handled.
1902024-02-04T19:56:09 <glozow> That should never happen
1912024-02-04T19:56:23 <PaperSword> https://mempool.space/testnet/tx/ca3b75556430e1adf9e9790bce9c73a3d9afdb42305588e64c65b258c06c05c9
1922024-02-04T19:56:23 <PaperSword> This is my reference,
1932024-02-04T19:56:50 <sipa> mempool policy is strictly stricter than consensus
1942024-02-04T19:57:04 <PaperSword> with 100% coverage?
1952024-02-04T19:57:07 <sipa> yes
1962024-02-04T19:57:19 <PaperSword> Okay thank you.
1972024-02-04T19:58:03 <sipa> the mempool _always_ consists of transactions that would be valid to include in the next block (but not all at once, obviously)
1982024-02-04T19:58:06 <PaperSword> Deeper down the rabbit hole why world submit package care to validate against consensus then if mempool acceptance would already be a pass.
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2002024-02-04T19:58:53 <sipa> well it needs to verify both
2012024-02-04T19:59:15 <sipa> mempool acceptance = policy + consensus rules
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2032024-02-04T20:00:37 <sipa> in the code "policy" is just the things that aren't consensus, we're not going to validate it twice
2042024-02-04T20:01:05 <PaperSword1> yeah, correct so policy is a subset of consensus?
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2062024-02-04T20:01:48 <sipa> no
2072024-02-04T20:01:58 <PaperSword1> oh :( sorry for not understanding.
2082024-02-04T20:02:03 <sipa> consensus rules are a subset of acceptance rules
2092024-02-04T20:02:07 <sipa> policy rules are another subset
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2122024-02-04T20:04:36 <sipa> when you say "mempool policy" it can refer to "just the non-consensus policy rules", or it can refer to "the combined set of all rules that are necessary to enter the mempool" (which includes consensus rules too)
2132024-02-04T20:04:48 <PaperSword> Consensus Rules = The set of rules that would constitute valid bitcoin
2142024-02-04T20:04:48 <PaperSword> Policy Rules = The set of rules the node has to determine what set of txs it accepts into it's mempool
2152024-02-04T20:04:48 <PaperSword> Following that logic... Acceptance rules are?
2162024-02-04T20:05:12 <PaperSword> "when you say "mempool policy" it can refer to "just the non-consensus policy rules", or it can refer to "the combined set of all rules that are necessary to enter the mempool" (which includes consensus rules too)"
2172024-02-04T20:05:12 <PaperSword> TY
2182024-02-04T20:05:57 <sipa> but these are implementation details
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2202024-02-04T20:06:42 <sipa> if you want the actual semantics... there are rules that are neccesary to be valid in a block (the consensus rules), and the rules to enter the mempool (which are a strict superset of those)
2212024-02-04T20:07:05 <PaperSword> yep :D
2222024-02-04T20:07:59 <PaperSword> Because the policy set is smaller than the consensus set, I never have to worry about my hashpower working on an invalid template
2232024-02-04T20:08:13 <sipa> indeed
2242024-02-04T20:08:51 <PaperSword> Thank you so much! For the sake of semantics, what are acceptance rules? I have never heard that term before.
2252024-02-04T20:09:34 <sipa> just informally... the rules necessary for a transaction to enter the mempool
2262024-02-04T20:09:51 <PaperSword> Does acceptance == policy?
2272024-02-04T20:10:20 <sipa> that depends on whether by "policy" you mean to include consensus rules or not
2282024-02-04T20:10:29 <sipa> policy is generally pretty vague
2292024-02-04T20:12:27 <PaperSword> I assume policy would include consensus since anything that is not consensus would not be of value.
2302024-02-04T20:12:41 <sipa> this is just a semantics discussion
2312024-02-04T20:13:00 <PaperSword> correct, sorry to take up time
2322024-02-04T20:13:04 <sipa> if by "policy" you mean "all the rules necessary to enter the mempool", then yes, acceptance == policy
2332024-02-04T20:13:43 <sipa> if by "policy" you mean "the rules that nodes are free to pick their own", then no, acceptance == policy + consensus
2342024-02-04T20:15:00 <PaperSword> I see what you mean, this also helps me understand what the /policy dir is for better
2352024-02-04T20:15:34 <sipa> what's in that directory is pretty narrow
2362024-02-04T20:15:46 <sipa> for example, resource limits (like standard transaction sizes) are in validation
2372024-02-04T20:15:55 <sipa> and script upgradability rules are in script
2382024-02-04T20:16:32 <sipa> (neither of which are consensus)
2392024-02-04T20:17:37 <PaperSword> correct, I am going to think about this a little deeper while I work. Thanks so much again for you time and help.
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